common sense about the JH

[kidriot]

finally, someone throws in common sense over the whining of the jackhammer

http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/planetside/Forum8/HTML/001101.html

to sum it up: there was hardly any bitching about the jackhammer before the DC and Pounder fixes.

[NoSurrender]

damn kidriot how did u get so many kills?

[Prowler]

Whoa, you got some skills. ;)

[Diviant]

He uses the Jackhammer. That's how.

[NoSurrender]

actually on the planetside gaming or w/e when u make the kill thing its like most ruthless or something with his name and its like 7 thousand something

[Kyler]

Look at his Certs and find out:

Kills Enemy Total
3599 N/A 4065 7664

Last Logged on: June 16, 2003


Certs:
Standard ExoSuit
Standard Assault
Agile ExoSuit
Medium Assault
---> Heavy Assault =Jackhammer
Engineering
Hacking
Advanced Hacking
Reinforced ExoSuit
Advanced Nanite Transporter
Advanced Mobile Station
Combat Engineering

Why do you think he thinks its fine as it is ?
He probably also plays 24/7

[Stimulate]

No... He got those kills from the JH :rolleyes: . Sike.. Anyway the reason why people cry nerf the JH is because people cryed about the TR maxes and now they.. kinda suck. Although you my not want to say it.. but you have to admit the JH is overpowered to some degree, compared to other Heavy Assault weapons. I don't think they should nerf it, I just think they should bring the other Heavy Assault Weapons (Chain Gun) up to par.

[Diviant]

It sucks either way. If they beef up other weapons, we would end up with every weapon getting one-shot-kills. If we nerf everything, we run around will pea shooters that couldn't break a wet napkin.

[Stimulate]

I rather like killing two people who have JH's with my sweeper in Agile armor. ;) Surge and agile plus the sweeper make a combo.

[Stimulate]

I don't think people remembered when the JH was a POS in beta also. :D

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Stimulate
TR maxes and now they.. kinda suck.

Haha. Give Comet/Starfire MAX a try sometime :P

[Led]

How do you stay alive long enough without medical? :p

[Seer]

TR maxs do not 'kinda suck' at all. That's simply an ignorant statement.

[AcidCat]

The whiners on the official boards will always have something to complain about, nothing new there. I played for about 5 hours tonight and was killed by the jackhammer maybe three times. No big deal.

[kidriot]

"How do you stay alive long enough without medical"

having to pause to repair armor takes long enough. when I had medical the majority of my deaths were when I was repairing health.

I carry 3 medikits which is usually enough. if I run out I scavange. I've gotten good enough to where I don't have to stop and right click backpacks because the inventory screen will stay with you a few feet away from the backpack. so if you're quick you can right click medikits into your inventory while still moving. then there's the added benefit of the inventory erasing itself when u get too far from the backpack. which helps me keep my fingers where I need em to react.


anyway, this thread was derailed.

the entire point was that you didn't hear this much bitching about JH before the DC and Pounder were adjusted. now it's ALL you read on msg boards.

[Led]

To each his/her own, I guess :p I found myself getting shot more often while looking for medkits... I do not know what it is, but people on Johari just do NOT seem to carry medkits.

That, and medical is great for repairing all those little dings and scratches and outright screwed up crap you run into on an everyday basis. All it takes is one idiot on your team tossing a plasma nade at the wrong time to suck up all three medkits :(

But who am I kidding, I just like bragging about how long I can stay alive while still fighting lots of folks :D Record so far is four hours in a massive zerg battle! I must have run back and forth between those two bases at least a half dozen times.

[PR24]

Originally posted by Seer
TR maxs do not 'kinda suck' at all. That's simply an ignorant statement.

The TR AV max SUCKS.

The otehrs are fine but the Dual Chaingun (AV) max really is a POS.

[ColdbringeR]

Originally posted by PR24
The TR AV max SUCKS.

The otehrs are fine but the Dual Chaingun (AV) max really is a POS.

Have you tried the Vanu MAXes lately? ;) You'll be dying to go back to TR. (pun intended)

Anyway, i think the people b*tching about the jackhammer are mostly the one's who have not used it much. Once you've used it enough yourself, you know how to counter it.

But for anyone who hasn't been explosed to this knowledge, i'll fill you in...

First off, keep your distance of course. If you see an NC comming, don't try to move in. Start shooting from range. You'll probably end up being amused to realize that it's some dual-jackhammer-wielding moron. If you absolutely know that he has a jackhammer, then keep moving away as he gets closer. Start using grenades or something if he's gaining ground on you. They wont lose accuracy much while running away.

Secondly, don't try and hide behind something only to pop out and kill him before he can react. Especially if he knows you're there. You'll probably just end up getting your face blown off. Once again, splash damage weapons work well since you can use them without having to be right in his line of sight. Plasma grenades and such are particularly effective. Especially when you learn how to use the secondary fire and bounce them around walls and such.

In the unfortunate event in which the jackhammer user does manage to get close... DO. NOT. STAND. STILL. No matter what weapon you are using, if you are standing still, then you are dead in close range. That is what the jackhammer is all about. If you are moving around though, then it forces the jackhammer-user to aim his shots better, often costing him precious moments. Believe ot or not, the jackhammer is still a slow firing weapon. It is quite easy to miss while using the jackhammer at close ranges, if the target is moving around in an unpredictable manner.

And finally, if you're going to b*tch about the jackhammer, then do it in comparison to the other heavy weapons. Say to yourself "Hmm, would my chances be that much greater against this person if he/she were using the chaingun instead of the jackhammer?". In most cases, the answer is NO. And in many cases your chances would actually be worse. And if you have not had the pleasure of being killed by the chaingun and the lasher on many various occasions, and under many various circumstances, then you have no right to argue at all.

[Stimulate]

I mean that the TR maxes suck from how good they where, and yes everyone knows the VS is underpowered.

[beavis88]

the entire point was that you didn't hear this much bitching about JH before the DC and Pounder were adjusted. now it's ALL you read on msg boards.

Actually, I read a LOT of bitching about the striker too. I expect that once the Jackhammer is nerfed, and the Striker is nerfed, they'll find something else to bitch about. Probably the magrider or vanguard or something.

The problem with MMORPGs is the people...

[Jarlo]

Jackhammer is good but man I rack up the kills in Scattercannon max. My silly NC character has over 700 kills at br11, way more than my vs guy had at that point.

NC are just damn good at killin stuff.

[ColdbringeR]

Originally posted by Jarlo
NC are just damn good at killin stuff.

Have you tried Terran yet? :D

[Prowler]

Hey Kid, wanna sell me your character lol :)

[NoSurrender]

why do u suck prowler ??? and god knows u can look at ur comp

[Peacemaker]

Wow, what a bunch of retards yelling back and forth at each other. People are complaining that a weapon desinged to kill stuff at close range is doing its job? Isnt the whole NC idea to kill ppl up close with a big gun? My other big beef with the people in that is they complain about the DC being weak. Ill bet they stand there and blast away at infantry with it not vehicals. Someone acctualy made an interesting point. Said somthing about the weapon that shoots strait being better at AV than AI so they get pissed off. Also someone was just talking here that the Vanu MAXs are underpowered. From what I have herd and seen (i only played for an hour prenerf) a Vanu MAX can own anything if the pilot has skill. Mostly people run up with Vanu max and shoot when the skilled pilots use jump jets and land behind you. (Anyone remember the Vanu Arm weapon glitch? Guess were that gun is gonna go if that thing gets behind u.) Point made

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
People are complaining that a weapon desinged to kill stuff at close range is doing its job? Isnt the whole NC idea to kill ppl up close with a big gun?

The problem is that the JH owns both close and mid-range. I haven't heard anyone ever bitch that the jackhammer shouldn't be a good close-in weapon.

[Peacemaker]

??? I have not seen one person bitch about mid range. The fact is that most shotgun weapons are close to mediumrange. essp with a high choke. If not skeet shooting would be impossible. I immagine that ppl piss and moan b/c they get blasted by JH single shot mode at medium range (which is fair) and then get wasted even more at close range (which is still fair)

[Happy lil Elf]

.....rainbows.

[kidriot]

msg boards have been zerged by whiners. in the end it doesnt really matter.

if it's not a JH I'm killing you with it'll be a gauss, or an AI max, or a pheonix.

where was all this bitching and moaning a few weeks ago?

the JH is a fine weapon. probably the only HA worth the 4 cert points. I think, before anything is adjusted to be weaker, they should re-adjust the other HA weapons to the level of the jackhammer. jackhammer is NOT insta-gib (1v1) whatever it is you're thinking. it IS insta-gib when you have 4-5 people wielding them. nearly any weapon is.

whiners are never content. after the JH, what else will you whine about?

[Seer]

Let me check my list of

THINGS TO WHINE ABOUT ON THE FORUMS:
On tap: ---> 1) Jackhammer <---
2) Getting killed while looting jackhammers!
3) Overpriced vehicle certs
4) Getting my ass handed to me on Amerish, every goddamn night!
5) Jumpjets--vastly overrated
6) Special Assault and Grief
7) Every man-portable AV weapon except the decimator
8) Magrider main gun
9) Thresher main gun

Of course, after the JH is nerfed I won't be looting them anymore, and I've already whined about vehicles, so next up appears to be getting my ass handed to me on Amerish. This isn't a game balance issue and it's actually fairly lucrative for exp, but I'd rather be handing the TR's ass to them on forseral than trading hacks while the tr own 90 percent of my home continent.

[Streamline]

10) flying
11) vehicle spawn pad auto drive

[Seer]

Thanks, streamline. I completely forgot about auto drive.

[NoSurrender]

call me crazy but i do admit that the vanu CAN whine but only about the thresher pulsar and the beamer thats it the magrider gun is good ive been taken out in 1 HITTTTTT