Fighting NC

[Hamma]

I am not trying to create any trouble or flames/spam. This is mainly here for TR and VS. Have you been intentionally avoiding the NC lately due to the jackhammer? It seems like many TR squads form up and go to VS backyard conts.. while the NC caps all our backdoors :lol:

Just an observarion I had, is it true?

[Trencher]

We intentionally sometimes avoid TR because of their Cyclers and Miniguns... and the Vanu because of their Lashers and Lancers. I personally think all of the heavy assault weapons are cheesy AND MEANT TO BE and I'd rather have a TR minigun than a Jackhammer any day but that's just my play style I guess.

And there's lots of statements on the official boards about how cheesy the JH is and how EVERY NC carries one... I honestly, and maybe it's just me or the server I play on, don't see all that many of my team mates using the Jackhammer. I think 2 guys in my outfit use it but the majority I see in NC are using the Gauss as their primary weapon.

[AcidCat]

I really don't have a problem with the Jackhammer. I get killed by a whole variety of weapons all the time, I don't see why I should be any more upset when I'm shredded by the Jackhammer than when I'm obliterated by a Vanguard shell or anything else.

[Crono]

Originally posted by Hamma
I am not trying to create any trouble or flames/spam. This is mainly here for TR and VS. Have you been intentionally avoiding the NC lately due to the jackhammer? It seems like many TR squads form up and go to VS backyard conts.. while the NC caps all our backdoors :lol:

Just an observarion I had, is it true?

If anyone has watched my stats lately (plz dont k thx), you'll see that my Vanu kills have passed my NC kill count by three hundred in the last... Two days I think. I don't know if it is about the Jackhammer, but probobly is.

[MilitantB0B]

I think one of the reasons everybody uses the JH is because everybody goes on and on about how godly it is. I figured I would create a character to test out the JH and see if it is all that godly, and honestly, I think its popularity is due mainly to people beleiving their own press. I bet if there where a large amount of people complaining about how overpowered the lasher was, I bet you would see them alot more people using them.

The fact is, alot of people picked up the JH cert because they hear how godly it was, and kept it because it is a good weapon. Other people hear how much their HW sucks, so they don't even try it outside of maybe VR training.

[Trencher]

I agree Bob. Personally I thought the Jackhammer was a POS, overrated, and even then only really useful is certain situations (inside buildings, specifically...) and at about the same time I began seriously respecting the TR minigun and made a TR character on another server to try it out... my suspicions were true, 5 kills on suicidal charge in which I ended up not dying... used a few medipacks and a total of 20 kills before finally dying. Maybe I was just having a good day as I haven't played that character since, but in semi close gun battles you can't beat the thing, as soon as your opponent needs to reload you've got the upper hand on the situation. Awesome weapon.

[Happy lil Elf]

You know what? If 3 out of 4 people used the MCG I'd be hesitant to fight TR, because 3/4 people would have a HW. I don't like fighting against the MCG or the Lasher because either one can kill me in under 1.5 seconds. However all I seem to run into when fighting VS/TR is medium assault weapons, more so with the TR. I'm glad of this because while a cycler can kill me fast it doesn't scare me as much as someone walking around with a gun the size of a person.

Point being it works both ways. If tons of TR had the MCG, they'd be avoided when possible. If tons of VS carried lashers they'd also be avoided where possible ;)

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by Trencher
I agree Bob. Personally I thought the Jackhammer was a POS, overrated, and even then only really useful is certain situations (inside buildings, specifically...) and at about the same time I began seriously respecting the TR minigun and made a TR character on another server to try it out... my suspicions were true, 5 kills on suicidal charge in which I ended up not dying... used a few medipacks and a total of 20 kills before finally dying. Maybe I was just having a good day as I haven't played that character since, but in semi close gun battles you can't beat the thing, as soon as your opponent needs to reload you've got the upper hand on the situation. Awesome weapon. Exactly. I have tried both the Chaingun and the JH and I think they are both the way a HW should be. I played with the lasher for a short period of time and I think it does indeed need a little bump. But there is no excuse for not seeing tons of MCG kills aside from the fact that everybody goes on and on about how much they suck so much that people won't even try it.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
Exactly. I have tried both the Chaingun and the JH and I think they are both the way a HW should be. I played with the lasher for a short period of time and I think it does indeed need a little bump. But there is no excuse for not seeing tons of MCG kills aside from the fact that everybody goes on and on about how much they suck so much that people won't even try it.

I'm not going to post a real reply to this, as this isn't the thread for it, but I just wanted to let you know that I think this is a pretty ridiculous post, and I really wish you NC people wouldn't try to downplay the best weapon in the game like that.


As for avoiding them, no, I don't avoid the NC because their weapon is a bit stronger than it should be. Actually, for whatever reason I seem to be fighting the NC more than I usually do, although that may be because I've become very fond of the sniper rifle, and given that virtually all NC infantry use a Phoenix and a Jackhammer, they're fairly easy kills. If I were making a conscious decision about where I'd fight, and were using my regular Cylcer instead of a Bolt Driver though, I'd probably prefer to fight the Vanu.

[Stimulate]

I rather fight the NC because of the challenge of the JH, but when VS zergs I always rather fight their hordes instead of NC.

[�io]

I think it's just a matter of personal preference. I know i hate fighting against VS, the lasher (despite what some say) is a very dangerous weapon in CQBs and the lancer is pretty deadly too.

[Jarlo]

Hamma, both NC and TR like to pick on the VS. We are like the little kid on the block the two bullies like to pound on.

[Tryndamere]

It wasn't really a conscious choice for me, but I have found myself attacking Amerish (VS) a lot more simply because I have more fun fighting them than NC.

I think the VS look cooler, are more versatile (thereby throwing a variety of tactics at me), and just all round more fun to fight.

Every NC fight seems to be a zerg/rush fight where they try to get close enough to use the JH, and I find outdoor fighting where people are advancing over territory more fun.

/shrug

[Valcron]

Hama, Im NC.

Most of my kills are Gauss, I don't even cert in heavy assault as I feel it's a lot of points.

http://myplanetside.station.sony.com/character.jsp?charId=272974&worldId=15

See, no HA

[PR24]

One thing the NC have to remember about the JH. WE CAN LOOT THEM. So down playing how they work or there power is pretty dumb. Other empires have used them and know how godly they are.

However I would rather see the Mini CG brought up to NC JH level then see the JH nerfed a lot. I think the rate of fire has to be looked at if nothing else it too powerful in it's current state.

[Trol]

The Jackhammer only does a little more damage than a regular shotgun. I use a shotgun, its just as effective but with only half the clip size.

[Cyber]

I fully admit to making an effort to avoid fighting the NC in favor of fighting the Vanu. It's more fun and less people complain about things over TS when we're fighting them. As a result ya, I've actively encouraged squads I'm in to goto places we can fight the VS even if there was a 'need' for TR to resecure our own backyard.

And watching the population numbers on the continents last night, I think that I'm not alone. 40-50% on Esamir, 100% all the time on Amerish... and on the nearly locked by NC backdoors? 10%... 15% if your lucky.

[Airlift]

I prefer to fight the NC myself.. How else am I going to stock my locker with shotty goodness? I'm down to about 7 hammers left, it's almost time to wreck another smurf tower.

[kidriot]

lancer is the best weapon in the game.

what can't you kill w/it?

want to kill infantry AND maxes AND vehicles? loot a lancer

jackhammer, however "overpowered" it may seem, is still limited. if you want a shot at killing maxes with it you have to have a jackhammer with ap ammo. and if you're solo, you gotta be smart enough to dance out of his attack range.

the problem is that the jackhammer is used in mass numbers. that doesn't necessarily mean it's the greatest weapon. it just means that in a zerg vs zerg fight, when the fighting is indoors, the mass jackhammers will win. because it's a tough weapon in its own right and even vs pounders a base will eventually fall neutral.

[Yogi]

If we have a choice between NC and VS, VS always wins. Every member of my outfit has their lockers full of Jackhammers. Even those who can't carry one keep them around to give to the people with the HA cert. Not one of my guys has a HA cert to use the chain gun.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by Trol
The Jackhammer only does a little more damage than a regular shotgun. I use a shotgun, its just as effective but with only half the clip size.

Jackhammer fires faster, has a tigher COF, and has double the ammo. Please, give the "it's just like a Sweeper" argument a break. It's been disproved far too many times to have any weight at this point.

[Airlift]

The lancer is way more challenging to use effectively than the jackhammer, and even in the hands of an expert it cannot compete with the Jackhammer in kills over time. I don't think anyone is arguing that the jackhammer is unlimited. The range is an obvious limitation, and there are still others that are less pronounced but still very real.

I'm not sure I would call the Jackhammer the best weapon in the game. However, it is my favorite weapon, because it is easy to use and obliterates my enemies in satisfying fashion. It is also a much better loot than the lancer, because it uses standard shotgun shells for ammo. Keeping both lancers and lancer ammo stocked is a much more difficult task.