SOE vision and the vehicle problems (as i see it)

[Tucciim]

i am sure every one of you grunts is sick and tired of getting run over by a vehicle be it your own team or the enemy. I can not think of a lamer or more unskilled tactic then just driving around in a ams running over people.

and yet if you listen to the dev's and read the forums then they are trying to steer the game towards more open field battles and greater use of the vehicles.

so my problem is that if the battles go that way it is just going to turn into a demolition derby. last night i watched as a lighting didnt even bother to shoot a undeployed AMS, it just kept ramming into it. it's a AMS.. it cant even shoot back. if thats the way they are steering the game then i doubt i'll be in for the long haul.

the only remedy i can think of is to not allow people to be run over by vehicles, instead just have people get pushed to either side of it as it tries to run them over and have the vehicle slow down a little bit as it tries to plow through the people. kinda like there is a cow catcher on the front of the tank or what have you.

[Cease]

They need to just make it do considerable damage to the grunt instead of an instant-kill. That would really reduce the effectiveness of that tactic.

I dont think vehicle damage should be eliminated entirely however.

[Sandman]

It would be nice if they got rid of the ramming, lightnings cant ram anything anyways :D

[Airlift]

Or you can get a decimator / AV weapon and blow the vehicles up.

[beavis88]

Or you could get your own vehicle, and run someone else over. You have huge flexibility advantages when you stay on foot, getting run over ocasionally is the price you pay, and IMHO, properly so.

[Agathon]

Hello,

No offense to you, but everyone seems to treat AMS's like the CC. Once they have them, they leave them undefended. An AMS needs to be defended just like a CC, but rarely do I see an effort to do it. People need to put up engineer defenses, patrol the area around them with skyguards and other vehicles, and infantry need to protect them. The lightning was able to do what it was able to do because no one was properly protecting the AMS. It is vital to defend AMS's, but it just rarely ever happens.

8-(

[AcidCat]

Originally posted by beavis88
Or you could get your own vehicle, and run someone else over. You have huge flexibility advantages when you stay on foot, getting run over ocasionally is the price you pay, and IMHO, properly so.

Agreed, I don't see what the problem is here.... yeah if a tank runs you over I think you deserve to die. Happens to everyone, but not excessively so in my experience.... enemy vehicles I see usually have about five Striker missiles chasing them at any given time, so they don't last too long.:D

Or hey, grab a Reaver or Mosquito and stay off the ground entirely!

[JakeLogan]

Kinda funny the guy that belongs to the empire with the magmower complaining about being run over

[SmilingBandit]

The Magrider is a hover tank. What is it exactly that runs you over?

[JakeLogan]

probably suppose to be a combination of the body of the tank and the hover jets (or what ever they are) pounding you into the ground.

[Tucciim]

vanu have no decent AV weapons. the lancer is nothing compared to strikers or pheonix. if i had more cert points then 20 maybe i'd get a tank so i could play wack-a-mole or bumper cars with everyone else, but i've picked up all the grunt certs.

have you ever fired a decimator? it's as slow as the lasher it's only good when you can find a enemy ams parked somewhere.

"Kinda funny the guy that belongs to the empire with the magmower complaining about being run over"
not sure why you would say this.. i am not saying that all other vehicles but the magmower should be changed. i want all vehicles to be changed. a) it would make it so people would actually fire the weapons on a tank instead of just driving it over people and b) it would remove the grief points a hapless grunt gets for getting runover by his own retarded teammate.

"Or you could get your own vehicle, and run someone else over."
i dont want to have to be forced to pick up a vehicle cert just so i dont get run over.

i agree that it may not be very realistic for a guy to get pushed out of the way of a tank instead of getting plowed under a tread but the problem of getting run over is only going to get worse if SOE is going to encourage open field and vehicle battles. maybe not as much of a problem for the 2 empires with nice missles though but the vanu do lack a weapon that can compete with the striker or pheanix. i dont want this to become a weapon thread so i'll jsut leave that for another time.

i guess i am alone in my feelings about vehicles and getting run over. thats fine.

[JakeLogan]

not really it does piss me off when I get run over by a magmower.
Hell who doesn't it piss off but what do you expect when you got several tons of metal charging you when that happens your pretty much dead. Sorry about the flame on you I just found it funny to myself. (Then again some people say I have a bad sense of humor).

[Solendon]

What pisses me of is when some retard teammate runs me over and I get grief for it. I try not to do stupid things like stand in front of them, duh. :doh:, or what not.

But when you got these guys running around the inside of the base in circles at wide-open-throttle, it's sometimes impossible to avoid getting ran over. :mad:

[Airlift]

vanu have no decent AV weapons.

What?

[Jaged]

Originally posted by Tucciim
\the only remedy i can think of is to not allow people to be run over by vehicles, instead just have people get pushed to either side of it as it tries to run them over and have the vehicle slow down a little bit as it tries to plow through the people. kinda like there is a cow catcher on the front of the tank or what have you.
So let me get this straight, you want to nerf the magrider?

[Tucciim]

i don't know if i would call it a nerf. it's is only a nerf if people only use it to drive over people instead of shooting them. if you want to call it a nerf then yes, nerf all the vehicles so you cant kill people by just mowing them down. instead it just pushes the people aside.


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vanu have no decent AV weapons.
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What?
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maybe i have missed something in the nearly 18 levels of playing Vanu that you have found out. the lancer takes 6 shots to down a max with no camera guided help or target lock on help. a striker takes 3 and locks on target, a pheonix takes 3 and is camera guided. now i understand the balance is that the lancer is really really good against "fleshies" where-as the rockets are not so good. but if you want to talk about a straight AV weapon, then no, the vanu don't have a AV weapon that is as powerful as the other 2 factions.