The Liberator

[Trebor95]

http://www.peter.nildram.co.uk/lib1.jpg
http://www.peter.nildram.co.uk/lib2.jpg
http://www.peter.nildram.co.uk/lib3.jpg


http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/viewer.php?img_id=1137
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[Stimulate]

ASWOME!

[Intruder]

sweet, have you flown it yet... any ideas on top speed. with and without Afterburner.

any other stats you can give us

[Trebor95]

Let me tell you the bombs on this are fearsome, you hear a Liberator and you have no AA/AV nearby kiss your rear good bye.

The sound they make as well, like the WWII Stukas, a high pitched scream as they descend.

The plane also makes a lovely sound when it lands, a nice powering down sound.

Its main cannon is not seen on any other vehicle in the game, it a heavy cannon and is very good :D very powerful, slow fire rate.

However, it is AA MAx & Skyguard food if it flies low.

It is reaver/mosquito food if it flies low

I have flown it, it handles lovely. Just less maneuveability of a Reaver, it is 90 on the nose speed wise.

It has no afterburner, the space bar engages are rear/down moveable camera for the pilot to see below/behind him.


The rear gunner cannot aim up, the plane has a total 180 degree blind spot covering the entire upper sector of the plane i.e anything attacking from above can't be hurt.

The bomber has 2 ammo types I think, AV, AP (anti-vehicle, ant-personnel) an indirect of one bomb took me down to less than 25hp

I think a direct hit will kill a max in one

[Intruder]

hmm no afterburner... intresting, well the down view will make for some good SS's

[starrider]

wats its flight ceiling....or is it 400,000 like everything else.

[Trebor95]

Edit its top speed is actually only 90

Seemed faster than that .... hmmm.


Starrider same as the others, 400

[Intruder]

Originally posted by Trebor95
Edit its top speed is actually only 90

Seemed faster than that .... hmmm.


Starrider same as the others, 400


So only marginaly faster than the gal...

[starrider]

oh well.....can you see what your bombing that high up????

[Trebor95]

you cant usually see the ground on places like Hossin, Cyssor etc.

but some spotters on the ground + waypoints + mini-map may leadt to effective air strikes

Edit - Yeah Intruder only marginally faster, I went back in to double check

[Stimulate]

Nice stats.. I am really going to get one of these.

[Thrik]

Heh, it looks like a small Galaxy. Or a large Reaver.

We really need some more unique looking aircraft. I hope the Lodestar isn't the same old design. :D

[Intruder]

Originally posted by Trebor95
you cant usually see the ground on places like Hossin, Cyssor etc.

but some spotters on the ground + waypoints + mini-map may leadt to effective air strikes

Edit - Yeah Intruder only marginally faster, I went back in to double check


Can you use the Zoom feature as bomber.... would make the extra zoom Implant very very usefull

[Navaron]

It's badass. You can't bomb if you're going at angles and what not. I really like it so far.

[Trebor95]

I could as the rear gunner/pilot, I didnt try when I was the bomber.

The bomb site is unique though

looking down you have a large circle which expands as you bring the view vertically down, I assume for carpet bombing? and which tightens as you lead it in front of the plane (excellent for accurate strikes on vehicles.

In the centre of the circle you have a normal crosshair.

The bomber is able to drop about a dozen bombs within a matter of seconds. Again I spent only the briefest of times in the gunnery/bombers position si I may be out with the figures :)

The bombsite obviously doesnt not move left/right just up and down forward along the axis of the plane.

You are only allowed to drop bombs when the plane is levelish and straight, you can drop them while banking. D;oh beaten to it

[starrider]

since no ones gonna look at teh test server thread anymore i might as well ask here......when you copy the Ps foleder to some other place does that mean 3 more gigs are teaken up???

[1024]

WTF I LEAVE TO GO FOR DINNER ADN TEHY RELEASE THE LIB????? GOD DAMNIT!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Trebor95]

Originally posted by starrider
since no ones gonna look at teh test server thread anymore i might as well ask here......when you copy the Ps foleder to some other place does that mean 3 more gigs are teaken up???

Yes

[starrider]

great......

you have to make this copy to play regular Ps not the test server???

[Trebor95]

this copy you make is for the test server

[starrider]

ok good so i can still play PS until i can get enough space for the test server copy???

[Trebor95]

you can indeed

[TheGreatCarbini]

I have to say the armor on this thing is nice, I had a TR locked AA unload everything he had into me and i was still good to fly.

[starrider]

THANK GOD

:goes off deleteing stuff to make room:

[Cirkusphreak]

Damn thing looks like a Galaxy and a Reaver mated!:huh: Only thing that i'm slightly afraid of, is that when it IS implemented, everyone and their momma is going to cert in the Liberator, then it'll be impossible to do a friggin thing on the ground. Reaver/Mosq pilots would have a field day, but us lonely ground-pounding, bullet sponges are going to have a tough time. Ground vehics too aren't safe. If i'm wrong then please feel free to shed more info/viewpoints on the fact. Thanks.


:usa:

[Hamma]

It needs an afterburner ;)

But I love it so far

[Intruder]

Originally posted by Cirkusphreak
Damn thing looks like a Galaxy and a Reaver mated!:huh: Only thing that i'm slightly afraid of, is that when it IS implemented, everyone and their momma is going to cert in the Liberator, then it'll be impossible to do a friggin thing on the ground. Reaver/Mosq pilots would have a field day, but us lonely ground-pounding, bullet sponges are going to have a tough time. Ground vehics too aren't safe. If i'm wrong then please feel free to shed more info/viewpoints on the fact. Thanks.


:usa:


Dont worry to much, it will be like any fad... 95% of people will go, "ooo I want that" 5% of the people will actually be able to use it correctly. After the other 90% get humiliated they will go back to what they are good at. As for me, nothing can make me leave my GAL cert!

[BUGGER]

shit that bubble turret looks SWEET!

tho the pilots gun should be on the wings (like ww2 planes) instead of the nose, it looks kid of out of place right there. and i dunno if its jsut me, but it looks short and FAT.



j/w, how big is that d/l, i started it but since i'm 56k, it d/led sloooow?

[Shadowsword8]

When The liberator will be released, I'll pick a sparrow-Max cert, and I'll have a good time killing all the noobs... We'll probably even see bombers without gunners, with only the pilot and his 35mm canon.

[Hamma]

http://planetside-universe.com/media/?cat_id=91

[Intruder]

Originally posted by Hamma
http://planetside-universe.com/media/?cat_id=91


Oooooo new PSU v2.0 Sexy!

[Hamma]

How about that fork AKA bomb icon in the bottom right :rofl:

[EineBeBoP]

my screens, click the link for img

im too lazy/dont wanna spam so not showing the pics.

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you get the idea, jsut replace the last four numbers with the following
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hope theyre good!

most r pretty self-explanitary.

[Zenny]

When you drop a bomb, does it fly straight down from where you released it or does it keep its momentum and fly foward when dropped?

[Knuckles]

Oh man - it looks mean (and I do believe I must try it out)!

But only doing 90, and no afterburner? Seems a bit... odd, doesn't it? I mean, even the flying cow - the Galaxy - gets an afterburner. What's up with that?

How does it handle in a dogfight? Sluggish or just below the handling of a Reaver?

[Edit:] Oh yeah - how many cert points does it take?

[Peacemaker]

Ok, someone mentioned a circle for the bombing pickle (pilot talk for a sight) So do yo position the cross hairs over a target and drop the bombs or do you position them over the target and as you get closer the crosshair stays on your target with the circle getting smaller as you go along. When the circle reaches your desired spread (or closes all the way to the cross hairs) then its telling you to drop the bombs?

PS 3 cert points. And it looks much more like someone took a Gal choped off the tail shrunk the remaining front and stuck a reaver tail on. I like it

[Trebor95]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
Ok, someone mentioned a circle for the bombing pickle (pilot talk for a sight) So do yo position the cross hairs over a target and drop the bombs or do you position them over the target and as you get closer the crosshair stays on your target with the circle getting smaller as you go along. When the circle reaches your desired spread (or closes all the way to the cross hairs) then its telling you to drop the bombs?

PS 3 cert points. And it looks much more like someone took a Gal choped off the tail shrunk the remaining front and stuck a reaver tail on. I like it


hmmmmm ... I dunno how I used the bombsite but I got a few on target, what I saw was when you were aiming directly down from the bomber, the circle (which I assume is the spread of the bombs) was huge, however aiming forward in advance of the bomber the circle tightened so it was very small, I launched a few like this and the momentum of the plane meant they went with a fair bit of speed and was able to hit the top/side of objects, whereas the staright down approach I assume is for saturating an area with bombs?

[MJBuddy]

1: to the person who said that guns should be on wings, one of the bombers used in WW2 had a small compartment in the back under the tail with a high calibre machine gun that could not fire up, only down, exactly like the liberator, its taken directly from the bombers

2: im gonna test slow circle strafing bomb runs over bases from different hights to see if u can courtyard clear efficiently and quickly

[ObnoxiousFrog]

I can see this as kinda a "softener" weapon. Fly over a base, drop your ordnance, and let the grunts do the rest. Using it in a full-scale battle means more grief than you can shake a stick at. I'm also imagining a huge flight of bombers, WWII style. Man, if that happens I'm pretty sure Miir is gonna turn it into a movie somehow...

[NiteTiger]

From my experience with the Liberator, I don't see this as much of an "ownage" weapon. In its environment, it will be awesomely effective. In the hands of a "casual" pilot, it will be pretty useless.

Pilot will be the key. The bombardiers cannot aim to the left or right, meaning it is ultimately the pilots job to get the bombs over the target. With the speed limitations, the pilot must know how to avoid those weapons targeting him. A Reaver pilot that picks up the Liberator cert will be very obvious. He will be the one that doesn't get away because he hits space for afterburners, and ends up wasting precious seconds moving his bomb cam around :)

Those using the Liberator to it's best advantage will not target individual soldiers, in my opinon. Due to the "bank" bombing resrictions, most soldiers will see the Lib coming, and move away 90 degrees, out of the bomb pass.

However, terrain chokepoints will belong to the Lib above all. Bridges, canyons and AMS equipment terminals will become mass graves. Vehicle terminals at just-capped bases would also make excellent Liberator targets, with the Liberator effectively halting any vehicle movement for at least 5 minutes. You can switch bomb types while dropping, so 5 AI clusters and 5 AV would destroy not only the vehicle term, but every living thing near it.

I feel the Lib is going to be an awesome weapon in the right hands. Dedicated pilot/gunner teams, and outfits organized enough to pull off Liberator Squadrons (there's a thought to give you chills: 10 in a row spaced 30 seconds apart = unending death from above, or 10 in tight wingman formation = a bomb over every square inch of a base, including walls and roofs) will be highly feared. Until then tho, you will probably see a sharp rise in "Nerf the Striker/Pheonix" threads from Lib Noobs that will do nothing for thier team but use up enemy ammo :)

Oh, and as far as dogfighting goes: don't. Anything gets behind and above, and ur history. And everything can get above and behind you :)

[Protst Patrotsm]

You guys are missing one thing... Thibk about the bombers in ww2, even the B17 needed one thing... An escort! This bomber was given obvious weak points so that in order to survive you need an escort! This ia great for skeet pilots like myself, because while escorting gals is fun, it isn't necessary. These libs will totally need escorts, it will make co-operation between armies much more needed.

[Ghryphen]

<3 the VS Lib

http://www.thzclan.com/hosted/planetside/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=12839#post12844

[tmartinez72]

The Liberator is awesome.

Strong Armor
Max Speed of 90mph
50 Bombs/10 bomb clip Fast RoF
2 bomb modes AI & AV
35mm Forward Gun
Small craft
Highly Manueverable

For a 2-man crew suicide mission, they can effectively spam a courtyard at max alt.

Escorts? Sure, but does that really work in PS enviroment when every Reaver & Mosq pilot wants ground kills?

Who's going to be cruising at 400m while the battle is hot and heavy on the ground waiting for the chance that a Liberator *might* show up?

Once a Liberator shows up, sure every Rever/Mosq pilot will after burn to try to take it down, but how many bombs will the bombadier would have released? 30? 40? 50? The bombs can be released at an EXTREMELY high RoF.

I can see 2-man suicide crews bombing Vehicle terms. Why? When was the last time you saw Reaver pilots at 400m above a friendly vehicle term guarding it, when they could be in an enemy SOI getting kills and gaining XP?

[NightWalker XI]

The texture isn't what I feared, I was really afraid it was gonna be some freakshow like the Skyguard but it turned out ok, I am gonna get the Liberator cert when its out, definetly :D

[JonnyK]

/me can answer all questions, i just spent an hour or 2 flying, bombing, and gunning in the liberator.

max speed is 90
the bombs drop exactly where you are pointing the cursor when you shoot one.
the plane must be almost exactly level for the bombs to drop, so no firing while flying up, down, or turning.
the bombs OWN, if you hear these things coming, you better kiss your ass goodbye.
i took out a vanguard with 3 av bullets, 10 in a clip.
me and a group of others were standing by a front door of a base, someone drops a barrage of AI ones on us, we were done after the first 1 or 2 hit.
they drop fast, but they have a delay between whent they shoot and when they hit, they fall about hte speed you fall when you bail from an air vehicle.
it is very slow without the afterburners, if you fly over a tower or base and the turrets start shooting you, it will take you down to about 1/8th armor left if you can't get away extremely fast.

[NeoTassadar]

Do the ground pounders about to eat a bomb get any warning? Like a whistling? I hope the engineers didn't copy the German bomb design.

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by Trebor95
The sound they make as well, like the Nazi Stukas, a nice high pitched scream as they descend. If Trebor was right, they did copy german bomb design. Emulating nazis is not recomended. :nono:

[ajohn505]

Originally posted by starrider
since no ones gonna look at teh test server thread anymore i might as well ask here......when you copy the Ps foleder to some other place does that mean 3 more gigs are teaken up???

Nope, defying all logic, it magically doesn't take up any room.

[Navaron]

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
If Trebor was right, they did copy german bomb design. Emulating nazis is not recomended. :nono:

Since we all know what stuka's sound like...

I'm a licensed pilot and I don't know the difference between engine sounds of planes that haven't flown in 35 years.

[Protst Patrotsm]

Escorts will be viable if any lib crew wants to survive. Most reav/skeet pilots want ground kills, but there are a few, such as myself, who like taking down other air targets. I'm sure that at every major battle there will be plenty of those, and libs will be eaten up.

[MilitantB0B]

To tell you the truth, I don't know either. All i know is it was asked if they sounded like the germans, the Nazis where germans, so I said yes and gave a reference. No harm, no foul.

[zannal]

humm i dont know if this has been menchoned yet but renforced armor cant pilot OR gun.
the first things i certed in in the test server was ren armor and med assualt and i couldnt fit in any of the gunner posions in the lib in my renarmor
(sorry for the spelling)

[Jarlo]

Hrm can't gun in reinforced? That sounds like a bug to me. Time will tell.

I really need to figure out a way to get back in my sparrow armor asap when these floating KILL ME signs go live 8)

[Protst Patrotsm]

I am sooo gonna enjoy splattering MAXes when the lib comes out...

[Chanfan]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
Since we all know what stuka's sound like...

I'm a licensed pilot and I don't know the difference between engine sounds of planes that haven't flown in 35 years.

Yeesh, don't you ever watch the WWII� err, I mean, History channel?

They had a siren on 'em, that made a high pitched whine. I haven't tried out the test server yet, so I don't know if the comparison is good or not.

[Trebor95]

Sorry, no offence meant with that referemce to the Nazi's.

I'll go and edit it out, its just the bomb sounds reminded me of the stukas.

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by Trebor95
Sorry, no offence meant with that referemce to the Nazi's.

I'll go and edit it out, its just the bomb sounds reminded me of the stukas. Don't worry, there is so many nazi reference (especially in reference to sigbot and other devilish mod tools) around here.

[EnorganiK]

i can't wait for this thing..for real...

[ObnoxiousFrog]

As opposed to falsely hoping for it.

[Intruder]

Originally posted by tmartinez72


For a 2-man crew suicide mission, they can effectively spam a courtyard at max alt.

Escorts? Sure, but does that really work in PS enviroment when every Reaver & Mosq pilot wants ground kills?

Who's going to be cruising at 400m while the battle is hot and heavy on the ground waiting for the chance that a Liberator *might* show up?

Once a Liberator shows up, sure every Rever/Mosq pilot will after burn to try to take it down, but how many bombs will the bombadier would have released? 30? 40? 50? The bombs can be released at an EXTREMELY high RoF.

I can see 2-man suicide crews bombing Vehicle terms. Why? When was the last time you saw Reaver pilots at 400m above a friendly vehicle term guarding it, when they could be in an enemy SOI getting kills and gaining XP?


Ok, you have valid points but your forgetting one thing. Adaption, PS isn't like other FPS's (how many times have I said that...)
People will change and adapt, you will end up seeing sky defence. Sure your normal everyday squad might not, but in organized outfits, you Will see escorts, you Will see high level defence, you Will see spotters who keep eyes to the sky. Infact at the moment these outfits do exist, just not very many, because most people are still changing from the standard FPS mentality, to the new FPS Strategy mentality.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Originally posted by Chanfan
Yeesh, don't you ever watch the WWII� err, I mean, History channel?

They had a siren on 'em, that made a high pitched whine. I haven't tried out the test server yet, so I don't know if the comparison is good or not.


Yea....I call the History Channel the Hitler Channel: All Nazis, All the Time!

[Aphid]

cannons are too strong.........its a damn bomber and not a hunter........so wtf do his cannons hurt more than reaver or mosquito cannons.
I dont want to see 50% of the people just flying these anoying bombers because they can shot shitloads of reavers, mosquitos and bomb people before they will be shot down finally.
and this is exactly what will happen if they dont nerf the goddamn thing.
obviously they dindt waste a single minute testing the liberator

[TGF NightHawk]

So get your skyguard out and take care of them, that's what they're designed to do. As usual, people are quick to yell "Nerf".

[Trebor95]

Originally posted by Aphid
cannons are too strong.........its a damn bomber and not a hunter........so wtf do his cannons hurt more than reaver or mosquito cannons.
I dont want to see 50% of the people just flying these anoying bombers because they can shot shitloads of reavers, mosquitos and bomb people before they will be shot down finally.
and this is exactly what will happen if they dont nerf the goddamn thing.
obviously they dindt waste a single minute testing the liberator

I'd consider the Liberator to be a sort of WWII Mosquito, it was bigger than the fighters and was a ground attack kind of plane.

It had bigger cannons on it and could drop bombs.

To fighters it was prey.

Same in PS, the Liberator cannot go around dogfighting with reavers/mosquitos. The cannon on the front is severley limited, it is to be used as a support wapon when attacking ground objects.

No one in their right mind would consider the Liberator to be any good at dogfighting with a fighter like the Mossie or Reaver.

Just because it has a bigger gun doesnt mean its a dog fighter or is better at kiling other air targets because it isn't.

99% of the time a reaver or mosquito gets on your tail if you are in a Libby you will go down.

[NiteTiger]

Holy Nerf Whine Batman!!!

Just like any other changed weapon, you will get owned by it until you adjust to the new element in your gameplay. Please wait at least a week before screaming for a nerf. Try actually changing your playing to accomodate the new threat before whining.