*is pissed*

[Spider]

Now I am out of a session of extremelly short and frustrating gaming.

I was in ps see... we went up against TR at first with my new shiny liberator (I'm vanu) now everything is finnnneeeee! you know I can take tr dodge their striker missiles etc... but I do get shot down easily tho :( fucking locks...

Now about 10 minutes later the NC join in... (yay new ennemies) fact is I didnt play much against NC nowadays... but now suddenly I'm in liberator.. I get missle lock from a sparrow of course you cant dodge anything of these and get shot down in a second... then I ejected landed on ennemy tower and enter.

First try, I get jackhammered ONE FUCKING HIT! I'm dead! yay Infil! and not from short range mind you! from medium!

Second try, I enter then I get this pretty scatter cannon he kinda spots me but doesnt turn dl on! he just sprays the damn hall!

-"OHHHH LOOK AT ME I'M LEET I CAN KILL SHIT BY KEEPING MY BUTTON PRESSED AND AIMING ANYWHERE!!!!!!!"

Third, jackhammer again! but now it was from long range kids! one fucking hit long range! and then I tell the guy and asked him how he saw me! GAMMA EXPLOIT! turn your fucking gamma up and weeee!!! you can see infil's on some cards!

fourth! before I even get there sniped! I WAS FUCKING CROUCH CRAWLING PRACTICLY! only small taps! I tell the guy! ask him the same thing! Of course the little visual thingy where you could see infils while zoomed with snipers is "gone" oh wait that came from smokejumper who can't code his way out of a paperbag like one of my pals told me! So it's partially gone but you can still spot em! wohoo!

now I go back to a new liberator 1 sparrow max down in no time boom cant dodge anything of it!

I use my AA max on a ennemy liberator of course he doesnt go down and poof my max is gone in no time!

YAY! we are stuck in fucking rashnu! because four bombers make runs at us while we cant do shit... the pheonix can take care of them! the lancer CANNOT!



NOW at this point I was tempted to smash my comp to little bits!

Tell me the other empires are not overpowered and I shall laugh in your face! Fact is we all know it! PS NEEDS BALANCING AND STABILITY! heck I got booted out of the server 3 times in sanc while trying to get out (alot of people are having this today)

The bugs that give you an edge are all present and are not going away! ever got killed by an invisble puniosher user or pheonixer oh yea the person falls thru the world and is now past master at it and shoots you from below the ground same goes for some wall exploits that allow you to shoot thru walls!

Now Vanu are about versatility! only real modes we have are *getting kicked by tr* *getting kicked by nc* *getting kicked by both*

sure we kick someone from time to time! when we zerg but if the others zerg too the vanu horde falls down like flies getting zapped by one of them big ass electric lanterns!

Heck this might be stupid to say but I am getting tired of this shit we are getting our asses handed to us day in and day out! and the devs arent doing much about it they say here... were gonna give you a little nudge but to balance it out we are going to give the tr an insta kill weapon and the nc and no aim go thru walls weapon.

As far as I can tell the empires nerfs or boosts are being decided by stoners who play the favoritism game

"dude NC is awesome"
"yea dude lets give em bad ass weapon"
"what about the vanu"
"bah let them be alone they are teh sux"
"haha dudeeee!!"

Now as you can see I am fairly annoyed with these kind of issues, I'd go even further by saying I'm actually thinking of cancelling my account (free month + game card)I mean if you are gonna make differences between empires and classes make them so they stand out damnit and that they are balanced! I want a fucking infiltrator suit that can actually infiltrate not some piece of shit that allows me to look semi visible!

Make things similar, if your gonna give the NC and TR stuff that they can shoot over walls and hit you and not bother to aim then do the same for us!

I mean wohoo! direct damage! whats that gonna bring you when you have to be in the open to shoot a max or a liberator that shoots you down before you do anything!

/rant off

I think I took all the steam out probly repeated myself and such alot of grammar etc. errors pardon me I am pissed eh

[1024]

Antoher PMS victim...

Dude, we're infil's. We got no armor. Shit happens.

**ALTHOUGH I DO AGREE WITH THE GOD DAMED ISSUE ABOUT SNIPERS SEEING INIFLS IN THERI SCOPES**

[aiwest420]

uh, the NC AA max got ninja-nerfed, now you have to keep the lock (like the vs aa max or striker)

[Spider]

I undertsand that but even at medium and long range one shot and we are done! The NC balancing issues are total and utter bullcrap

[Spider]

OH NOW YOU HAVE TO AIM!!!!! OH SHIT WELL THAT MAKES IT ALL BETTER! oh no wait it doesnt... 3 to 4 hits for mosquito 6 to 7 for reaver 7 to 8 for liberator! no way to break the lock! and what do vanu have! 15 or so shot for skeeter a shitload more for reaver and dont even think your gonna bring a lib or galaxy down!

[ObnoxiousFrog]

The simple lesson learned:
GO NC!
party:

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by aiwest420
uh, the NC AA max got ninja-nerfed, now you have to keep the lock (like the vs aa max or striker)

What a terrible shame that is.

[Fire_Monkey]

You know what. I think everyone is unhappy with their empire, but they really are balanced. I walk out into the field, im like woot gonna pwn something with my DC max. WTF some guy with a lasher comes up from behind me, and as im spinning he jumps around and finnally kills me. Or im walking along and some dude with a lancer pops over a hill and kills me in two shots. I believe that most people think they have it bad when the people who they "envy" are thinking the same thing. Stop complaining. I freak whenever i hear a lasher or lancer fire and the damn magrider doesnt make a sound. I do agree about the bugs though. It really pisses me off when i fall under the ground in my new pounder and drown. Bugs bad : Balance Good

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Fire_Monkey
Or im walking along and some dude with a lancer pops over a hill and kills me in two shots.

Either you were injured (and you have no real case) or you were in infil suit (in which case it was a nice kill.)

[Fire_Monkey]

Ok fine...3 shots

why do people have to focus on the details, I was merely showing him that the VS aren't under powered

[Sandman]

It takes 6 hits to kill a MAX with full armor and health...........:p

[Fire_Monkey]

That's without reloading, both other AV weapons have to reload to kill a max.

[Spider]

Double that my boy! and then thats a full health max kill and its doesnt even shoot that fast and we need direct line of fire.... wich means! we are out in the open wich means for anyone easy prey!

I played tr for like 1 day or so... tactic with striker! Target max from very far barely showing anything but your gun! empty and repeat!

Nc for 2 days! Pheonix behind hill and kill em all!

[Sandman]

sssooooooooooo???(:nazi: ) if you were smart you'd play VS(:vsrocks: ) like me and then you woudlnt have to worry about that, but then you get the damn striker lock ons. But you can walk behind a tree and that usually breaks the lock.

[Strygun]

that was the best rant I've heard in a while...

:clap:

[Spider]

Thank you *bows* that might happen more often since I need to blow steam off lately and if this doesnt change there will be alot of them! :flamemad:

[Endless]

"dude NC is awesome"
"yea dude lets give em bad ass weapon"
"what about the vanu"
"bah let them be alone they are teh sux"
"haha dudeeee!!"

I don't believe i've ever heard a stoner say "teh sux" before, i think its too complex for 'em. But nice rant anyways, more organized than some of the past ones.

[Spider]

OMG! I'M AN ORGANIZED FRENCH CANADIAN!!!!! DOOM IS UPON US!

[Endless]

Hey, more power to ya Canadians. I also hear they have really good dental plans up there...

[MJBuddy]

wait no, this guy died primarily because he made stupid decisions

no offence, but other then the sniper glitch(i hate it as well) theres no reason to bitch about gettin killed from any range when ur in inf suit

if u had JH NC in a tower, why not lure them out into a mine or such? i killed a few MAXs defending a tower because they followed me into a boomer. Hell i got 7 kills in 1 tower because i layed a boomer at CC and went to roof, scouted, placed mines in front of doors, and knife killed the guys who tried to destroy my defences(cant hear the powered up NC knife during a gun fire, and u cant see the glowing knife if u stab them in the back)

if u die from a MAX, u should have been running a long time before
AA MAXs are supposed to kill things that fly...they are anti-air...not offensive to air, not friendly to air, they are out right anti-air. If u lost with ur AA MAX vs a lib, most likely ur aim sucks.

We dont need to see bitching when its quite obvious its nothing to do with empire unbalances, but the fact that u made bad decisions

[ghost018]

Originally posted by Arakiel
What a terrible shame that is.

:rofl: :clap:

[Hamma]

:ugh:

Sounds like a bad night.

[NightWalker XI]

Funny rant, I do the spray the hall thing when I don't have DL yet as well

[Jaged]

Spider, I know how you feal. Most of the shit that happened is because you are an infl. This has happened to me alot. I finaly descided to turn my char in to a grunt instead. I have been having a blast ever sence! (im tired, excuse my spelling)

[12tontuna]

The way I figure it, the Devs designed the empires on the rock/paper/scissors premis.

NC beats TR and Vanu
TR beats Vanu
Vanu...er...

Or, you can look at it this way. The devs stated that that NC does more damage per hit, the TR put out the most rounds per second and the VS have a manuverability advantage.

I see it like this: NC dont have to aim up close. TR don't have to aim with MAXes. VS don't have to play if they don't want to.

[Hellsfire123]

A max killed my infil! NERF!!!!


Oh christ. Look, you have no armor, he has a large shotgun. What were you expecting? Infiltrators have almost no place in tower battles, they die way to quickly. Same with the liberator against AA max. The sparrow really isnt that hard to dodge, and individual rockets do low damage. As soon as you see a lock warning, afterburn for trees or mountains. Sure you might take a few hits, but you almost might break the lock. Jump out, repair, rearm, go back and tank buster his ass.

Grab a lancer and a lasher. One of the best combos in the game. Lancer will take down maxes in a hurry if your not an idiot about it, lasher is great for CQB, and if you need a range weapon, wait...the lancer is practically a sniper rifle. Stop bitching and whining about other empires tactics and use your own.

[Madcat170]

Originally posted by Hellsfire123
Same with the liberator against AA max. The sparrow really isnt that hard to dodge, and individual rockets do low damage. As soon as you see a lock warning, afterburn for trees or mountains. Sure you might take a few hits, but you almost might break the lock. Jump out, repair, rearm, go back and tank buster his ass.


That would work...except the liberator has NO afterburners...

[Hellsfire123]

Really?

Wow, well then you'd have to dive at full speed for whatever cover you can find. That or bring an escort.

[Spider]

You even seen a vanu max kill by spraying? no they have to find the infil and blast on him about 10-17 rounds

about the boomer and mine: I DONT USE CE!

Lib's = no afterburners and you can't dive fast....

The vanu max is funny because you can dodge every single one of em or get hit by one or do wich do minimal damage *twitch*

[Diviant]

Another thing I'd like to point out....

NC Sparrow Max is supposed to be Anti Air: Reality is it's Anti everything.

Dual Cycler is supposed to be anti vehicle: Reality is it's another anti everything max.

All VS maxes are supposed to kill their designated types: Reality is, they're anti wet paper towels and that's it.

It seems NC and TR get the "versitility" that VS are supposed to have (MAX-wise) and we get maxes that cant shoot their way out of a wet paper bag.

As for Issyl's reply, I fully agree. I just never wanted to spam the forums with my opinions, cause after all, who cares what "I" think.

[aiwest420]

lmao.....
i've used sparrow max for quite a while, and it's useless against infantry.

takes at LEAST a clip (12) of DIRECT HITSto kill a reinf.....and the slow rof and projectile speed make that nearly impossible at any range other than pointblank/close.

edit: gonna go get EXACT numbers in VR.


edit again: ok, heres exact numbers
standard armor: 5 hits
agile armor: 6 hits
reinforced armor: 8 hits
max armor : 15 hits

:eek:

[NiteTiger]

Oh damn ppl. All spider did was rant a bit, he was calm, he'd gotten it all out. But now he's starting to *twitch* again.

Just step slowly away, no sudden movements...

CRAP! He's gonna blow!

[Doppler]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spider
[B]Now I am out of a session of extremelly short and frustrating gaming.
[Quote]
Dont get frustrated it's bad and doesnt really help your teammates

[Quote]
Now about 10 minutes later the NC join in... (yay new ennemies) fact is I didnt play much against NC nowadays... but now suddenly I'm in liberator.. I get missle lock from a sparrow of course you cant dodge anything of these and get shot down in a second... then I ejected landed on ennemy tower and enter.

First try, I get jackhammered ONE FUCKING HIT! I'm dead! yay Infil! and not from short range mind you! from medium!

[Quote]
Well ya see my friend here's the contradiction, you said tower, and then you said medium range. Realisticly anything that happens in a tower is short range combat tha absolute farther you can get away from someone is the backwall of one landing to the backwall of the next, and since you cant shoot people at that angle with straight fire weapons i doubt this is what happened.

[Quote]
-"OHHHH LOOK AT ME I'M LEET I CAN KILL SHIT BY KEEPING MY BUTTON PRESSED AND AIMING ANYWHERE!!!!!!!"
[Quote]
He's a max, your an infiltrator, get over it, when you suspected he might have even remotely saw you, it was time to head for the hills.

[Quote]
GAMMA EXPLOIT! turn your fucking gamma up and weeee!!! you can see infil's on some cards!
[Quote]
This one i cant really help ya with, some people will always try and cheat, nothing you can do about it bbut out play them, their weaker for their crutch use.


[Quote]
little visual thingy where you could see infils while zoomed with snipers is "gone" oh wait that came from smokejumper who can't code his way out of a paperbag like one of my pals told me.
[Quote]
There are so many ways i could attack this one, but not knowing who your pal is i'll take the most logical. I'm not sure what smokejumpers title is over at SOE but i'm pretty sure it's not
"head programer" or "project lead programer" or whatever bullshit it's called now. So his coding skills have little varacity here.
[Quote]
now I go back to a new liberator 1 sparrow max down in no time boom cant dodge anything of it!
[Quote]
MY LIBERATOR ISNT THE OWNZERZ WTF DUDE? A max who's sole function in life is to kill air targets killed you, easily? Dude what next the sniper rifle will take out infantry slightly faster then a lancer?
[Quote]
I use my AA max on a ennemy liberator of course he doesnt go down and poof my max is gone in no time!
[Quote]
Back when i played vanu there were no lbierator but i didnt notice any huge power difrence between the VS and NC max's.

[Quote]
YAY! we are stuck in fucking rashnu! because four bombers make runs at us while we cant do shit... the pheonix can take care of them! the lancer CANNOT!
[Quote]
Someone did to you what you were so happily trying to do to them? Parish the thought, also the lancer messes up air you just need to learn to elad your target. But if you like the phoenex so much pick one up. How do you spose an NC like me gets all his lancers and the ammo for them

[Quote]
NOW at this point I was tempted to smash my comp to little bits!
[Quote]
Dont hold back next time.

I'm tired of ragging on you so i'll aproximate to sum up the rest of your post.

I'm killed by a lot of shit, i assume that since i'm uber, they must be cheating wah. I really havnt run into a lot of problems where i suspect people are cheating. Maybe it's because i play on a difrent server who knows, or maybe you just suck and need an excuse.

People seem to think that this game should be balanced toe to toe blow for blow. IE. all heavy assaults should be equal all vehicles equal etc. This is not what has happened. All the empires have strengths in difrent area it's a amtter of knowing those strengths and employing them to your max effectiveness. But fankly all the things you bitched about had little baring on empire. A TR pounder max whould have owned you in less shots if he suspected you were in the area. Can we say area affect gernades? I knew you could. A chaingun doesnt take all that long to rip through an unarmored target either and has a little more play if he just wants to sweep it over a given area.

If you dont do the CE thing as an infiltrator that's your choice, but your missing out on a whole lot of fun, and about your only option against max units.

As to canceling your account, please do this before you smash your computer I wohuldnt want you to pay money for a game you dont enjoy, that way you'll be able to live the rest of your days out in contentment and take up a more laid bakc hobby, like trap shooting, balet, or deep sea snorkeling.

I guess i wasnt really done ragging on you.

[Spider]

Ever been on one of them air towers? well the range from a turret to another is medium from top of stair and bottom, medium.

For the MAX I did run top of tower and stood immobile (note: I have silent run on at all times when I do run) and NO DL ICON showed up!

Ok so SJ isnt the lead programmer or whatever but he announces everything so let's take into account that he's the one that "fixes" everything.

Ok I know he's AA he cant take me out but for some reason I turn towards him and I'm gonna bomb him oh wait i'm dead once turned around, and yet with the Vanu AA MAX he had the time to turn around run over me drop 12 tank busters kill me and survive... (note: BACK when you played Vanu a.k.a before the devs when on a power boost for the NC)

I do pick em up... but I cant take out 3 of em with limited ammo and manpower since I open door everyone rushes out with lancer (only way to see them) and get blown to bits while I inflict minimum damage from 2 to 3 rounds of pheonix before seeing the liberator pointing its ass at me and me getting led all over my beautifull avatar :tear:

The comp comment was just to tell you how pissed I was at those issues.

I'm not in anyway uber I usually know what I'm doing tho and since the last patch or whatever this is ridiculous.

And the HA does not have to be equal but balance it out if your gonna have heavy damage on a shotgun make it fire more slow the chaingun = fast ROF small dmg per bullet (it should be more accurate) and the lasher I dunno... medium damage and medium speed but the projectiles need to be improved (wich was done I think with the last patch gotta check on my grunt)

I didnt rant about the TR because I didnt fight them much after the patch for some reason NC is Omni-present. But yes they are overpowered but I was pissed at NC for the moment.

I dont bitch a whole lot on here or anywhere for that matter (I am pessimistic tho like "Oh crap we are getting kicked off this continent.. again!") But I dont bitch much about these issues heck this is one of my first posts about it.

As for cancelling my account I can't really get any money back (game card) so I shall live thru the 3 months left and see if it balances out, if not I'm heading towards the WoW or something similar.


(btw. with pistol I can make runs of 12 kills with CE not a whole lot... I need to work with it more but I usually work with my group wich makes me tend towards taking out the inf and they take out the maxes... but with all these exploits running around I soemtimes can't do shit. Somewhere between beta and retail they screwed up, it's easy for me to judge but I think I couldt have done any better so I'm going to stop the H8 and bring in the :love: :lol: )

[NiteTiger]

Heh, kills with CE infil = timing is everything :)

My favorite weapon, as posted in the thread of that name, is an enemy mine or enemy boomer.

I set my boomer near that mine the CE's always set right at a tower door. Then I ease back, and get my Jammer nade ready :evil:

Boomer and mine going at the same time takes out oddles and oodles of people :) Just wait for that moment when 8 ppl herd out together, and you'll be happy :)

[SumYungGui]

doppler, there is a MASSIVE gap in effectiveness between the sparrow and the crapfire MAXes. vanu are going to get literally bent over and cornholed with a bomber being put in the game. we have nothing that can seriously compete with a bomber except a reaver/mosquito.

the VS AA MAX has ANTI-AIR projectiles so slow a galaxy, yes a galaxy, can outrun them. not outmanuever causing you to lose the lock you need to maintain on your target, OUTRUN. think about that one for a second. done? good, next point.

the damage on our crapfire is low to start with. the other two AA MAXes can crank out more FPS than any crapfire pilot could come up with in his kinkiest wet dreams.

in a first-person shooter environment, the crapfire MAX is saddled with damage-over-time. that means even if by some godforsaken miracle you DO manage to hit your air target with an anti-air MAX, he's not going to take the damage until the plasma is done burning. *AND* our plasma damage doe not stack. if you, through some sheer fuggin accident of the cosmos, manage to connect two shots back to back the second shot will overwrite the first one meaning you've just canceled your own damage because you were foolish enough to keep firing at your enemy. your choices are to fire slow as shit to let the burn damage do it's work while screwing your damage-per-second, or to shoot one after the other overwriting your own damage while screwing your damage-per-second.

did I mention not capable of taking out a reaver in one clip?

[ZionsFire]

cant....read...no...more...need....uhh...T..V..uhh hh

[ajohn505]

Originally posted by Spider
Now I am out of a session of extremelly short and frustrating gaming.


Methinks you need to get da skillz.

[Spider]

me thinks you need to get "yar" head out of "yar" ass and try vanu!

[Doppler]

I play a vanu alt, he's almost a carbon copy of my main character except for geared more towards MAXing. Teha bility of vanu MAX's to move cannot be understated, totaly changes the dynamic of battles for them. The AA max isnt as bad as you say it is. But hey here's a thought, if Vanu sucks so badly why dont you leave them, seriously if everyone left one empire because of it's weapons the Dev's whould seriously take a look at them. But in reality vanu arnt as bad off as you make them out to be, the pulsar and lancer ar3e worth the price of admission alone.

[TheRegurgitator]

Originally posted by Spider
OH NOW YOU HAVE TO AIM!!!!! OH SHIT WELL THAT MAKES IT ALL BETTER! oh no wait it doesnt... 3 to 4 hits for mosquito 6 to 7 for reaver 7 to 8 for liberator! no way to break the lock! and what do vanu have! 15 or so shot for skeeter a shitload more for reaver and dont even think your gonna bring a lib or galaxy down! let me correct you (I'm a nc aa max) around 7-10 shots for reaver and skeeter and 20 hits for lib and a bunch for galaxy (We have multiple people covering the skies not just one)

[SumYungGui]

how is the vanu AA MAX not as bad as I said it is? everything I stated in my previous post can be factually tested.

it's projectiles CAN be outrun by a galaxy, it HAS to keep a lock on it's target, damage sucks, it does indeed have damage-over-time non-stacking plasma burn, and it can't take out a reaver in one clip. test it all yourself, hell I don't think I even need to say 'play it for awhile before you judge it' I think all of that CAN be tested in VR. the VS AA MAX blows chunks. I just oulined how it does this.

[12tontuna]

Originally posted by Doppler
. Teha bility of vanu MAX's to move cannot be understated, totaly changes the dynamic of battles for them.

Lol, ya...they are the only ones that can get shot down out of the air.

[Happy lil Elf]

Gal on full afterburner can outrun Sparrow shots too assuming the MAX wasn't hugging the Gal before it started running. What's your point?

Anyways he was ranting. People vent sometimes. I'm not gonna argue with a rant post even if it is so full of bullshit it smells like Bob's Fertilizer Emporium.

That said go to the offical boards next time, you'll find people there that agree with you more in all likelyhood.

[Vis Armata]

Sounds like an OF post.

[PeregineDive]

I was there with you tonight Spider, and let me tell you - it did suck ass. I got a lib cert as well, and I would like to think of myself as a fair pilot, doging thru trees in a Lib is no easy task. But lemme tell you, whenever I got near an NC or TR base, I was gone before I would get 1/2 a klick away, even at max altitude, which is what I fly at most of the time for bombing. There is no way to dodge in a Lib, thats what makes it vulnerable and is its downfall, therefore we need to cover it, but thats feels impossible as Vanu. VS are the only ones NOT to be able to shoot down Libs. Hell, I saw 4+ Libs at Caer tonight, just circling around the tower and base looking for shit to bomb. Not to mention the 5+ reavers and 4+ skeeters there to help. Oh yeah... don't forget the ground troops, which all have Strikers. Ready to lock onto your ass.


It is very disheartening to get beat down night after night... we have almost no chance against any type of zerging now, especially with the Lib in game. We have nothing to take it down but Skeeters and Reavers. And how many of those did I see tonight? I saw 2. 2 vs a whole damn lot Those 2 guys were brave, I will give them that, but we desperatly need a change in something. We just can't compete effectivly. And its starting to wear on the Vanu. Every night its like fighting a battle you now you are going to loose.

-PD