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keam02
2003-07-06, 06:07 PM
WTF, there is an outfit on TR Konried that has like 1150 members. I thought outfits were sposed to be a group that new eachother well and coordinated things well together as a community. Maybe I think that cause I came from EQ, but damn, isnt 1150 a bit of overkill?

PeregineDive
2003-07-06, 06:34 PM
Seems like it to me... The highest count on Emerald is like 900 something, its nuts....


-PD

MuadDib
2003-07-06, 07:14 PM
Ahh you have seen the horrer that is the machine killing lag inducing zerg fest that is the EHL. Me and my mates have gone from calling Terrans Terrans to callling them EHL. It's faster to type. My friend made a TR character. 5 minutes after logging in he got invited to the EHL......

Happy lil Elf
2003-07-06, 07:19 PM
They should do two things. Limit outfits to 120 members and for rankings divide points by the number of people in an outfit. What an outfit with 1k members has the most points? What a suprise :rolleyes:

BUGGER
2003-07-06, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by keam02
WTF, there is an outfit on TR Konried that has like 1150 members. I thought outfits were sposed to be a group that new eachother well and coordinated things well together as a community. Maybe I think that cause I came from EQ, but damn, isnt 1150 a bit of overkill? yes.

Drunken Chicken
2003-07-06, 08:02 PM
There are actually two 1000+ outfits in PS. ELH on Konried and D2A on Markov. D2A has 1009 members. Of course, they're a total zerg outfit, but virtually all of the large ones are.

There are a few Vanu outfits that come close. The Gathering on Johari has 979 members. Azure Twilight on Emerald has 938.

Without doing a too indepth search, it looks like Liberty on Emerald has the most average outfit points per member. A member of Liberty averages 8,553 points (rounded to the nearest integer).

Hamma
2003-07-07, 12:15 AM
Its stupid :p

Fire_Monkey
2003-07-07, 12:55 AM
I love it how a clan like HEL or CDL has like 60 members but they have the same amount of points as some clan with 1000 members

Allerial
2003-07-07, 02:09 AM
The thing with these outfits that have like 1k+ members is you hardly ever get grief points since whenever you shoot a teammate it is an outfit member. Unless they switched this in a recent patch simply because of this.

Venoxile
2003-07-07, 02:32 AM
I was in Retards With Sticks on Emerald with 350 people, insanely retarded, I can't even imagine an outfit with 1k+. The outfit chat must be flooding in. Christ that would be retarded as hell.

ZionsFire
2003-07-07, 03:04 AM
Outfit with 1k=DELETED!

Duffman
2003-07-07, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Fire_Monkey
I love it how a clan like HEL or CDL has like 60 members but they have the same amount of points as some clan with 1000 members

man it was great duing beta when the mass clans started and the highest on Markov (i think thats waht we played on) was around 300 and we (cdl) had less than 30 i would like to say yet we never fell below 3erd. And then now on Emerald this Da Kor outfit is freakin amazing they got liek 20 poeple and still are ranked a-freakin-mazin.

-the limit needs to be like 150 these clans are a joke and through the leader board way off.

SumYungGui
2003-07-07, 07:15 AM
ELH will LITERALLY invite anyone. I mean that, don't mistake them for having any scruples or selectability. I guarantee you if you sit in the sanctuary without an outfit name above your head you will get an invite inside of 15 minutes. I watched it happen to my room mate as he logged on for the first time.(traitorous bastard chose TR on my home server)

MarkHawk
2003-07-07, 06:21 PM
I love My outfit the Hawks. Out limit will be 120 and we have about 96 now and we are slowy kicking those who are tker and never on so we can have people we know around us and people who want to play a lot and have fun to also be there. The Hawks are a lot of fun for me wouldn't trade it for the world.

Slice
2003-07-07, 06:35 PM
More ELH Craziness:

Back when I was outfitless, I sat in the sanc for 10 mins waiting for my friend to hop out of the VR. In that 10 minute period, I counted I got so fed up, I watched 10 ELH members walk past me, and EACH ONE invited me. I would personally like an outfit with a 30-60 member limit; that way, you have enough to field 2 Platoons (if that is ever implemented...still waiting). I agree with the general sentiment, if an outfit has 1k members, it should be broken up/deleted because the leader board just becomes entirely screwed.

Fake Leaderboard:

(Outfit) (Members) (Points)
ELH 1k+ 999999999999
All others Below 1k 9999999999


And YES, I could've made this in Excel, but I'm lazy. Sue me.:D

Ducman69
2003-07-08, 12:51 PM
I had joined a large Outfit innitially, because I was a n00b and thought it was cool to belong to a permanent squad. However, I quickly realized that all the leaders were doing is recruiting anything and everything in sight.

Hardly anyone knew one another, there was no sense of community, no real organization, and /o requests to get in a squad were typically ignored.

It was simply lame to have hundreds and hundreds of people in a group that means NOTHING other than giving the leader a hell of a lot of outfit points. What they should do is devide the outfit poitns contributed by the number of people in the outfit to some extent. That way leaders will only want skilled people and not recruit every BR2 n00b they see in order to have massive strike capabilities.

So finally I bailed on these guys and had no intention of joining a squad. Finally I came across some guy's that I had been playing with quite a bit and added them as 'friends'. Later I found some were in a very small outfit. I joined up and at least there is a real sense of community where you actually know who is in your outfit and it isn't some mindless Zerg.

They really should put a cap of 50 people on Outfits, or again make it so that outfit points gained get devided by a factor relating to their size to avoid the lame-ass "recruit everything in site" ueber large meaningless outfits.

Crono
2003-07-08, 12:57 PM
Crono's three easy steps to use orbital strikes without having to worry about outfit points!

1. Press ALT+N.
2. Look for people who have the '{No Outfit}' tag under their name.
3. Invite those people into your outfit!

Spider
2003-07-08, 01:01 PM
You know what? I dunno what people see In HEL... (I do mean HEL) on emerald the vanu keep raping them... (especially AC)

Karak
2003-07-08, 02:13 PM
I am a member of ELH currently and proud of it. We have some awesome people on the team. I know we do have something like 1000 memebers but very very very few of them actually seem to play and even fewer of them actually participate in the outfit. The outfit chat barely moves at all. Maybe they do pick up a lot of Noobs but those Noobs stop playing and the outfit will slim down to serious players only. (just so yah know this is not an official ELH opinion or anything).

Plus i dont know about you but there is a certain something about operating in a huge campaign. Ive been playing when ELH has been hitting several diffrent bases at once. There is an awesome feeling to it. Saying that I have nothing against the smaller actions, it is also fun to have a small squad of dedicated troops taking on a base....


bah i lost my train of thought. anyway i was just saying that i know ELH is big but alot of those players dont actually play i would guess that we maybe have 50-60 or more people on at prime time.

go ELH! ;)

MilitantB0B
2003-07-08, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Karak
I am a member of ELH currently and proud of it. We have some awesome people on the team. I know we do have something like 1000 memebers but very very very few of them actually seem to play and even fewer of them actually participate in the outfit. The outfit chat barely moves at all. Maybe they do pick up a lot of Noobs but those Noobs stop playing and the outfit will slim down to serious players only. (just so yah know this is not an official ELH opinion or anything).

Plus i dont know about you but there is a certain something about operating in a huge campaign. Ive been playing when ELH has been hitting several diffrent bases at once. There is an awesome feeling to it. Saying that I have nothing against the smaller actions, it is also fun to have a small squad of dedicated troops taking on a base....


bah i lost my train of thought. anyway i was just saying that i know ELH is big but alot of those players dont actually play i would guess that we maybe have 50-60 or more people on at prime time.

go ELH! ;) I play NC Konried and I rarely ever see TR in more then one continent. If they are on cyssor, thats where they are all at. One large outfit just promotes that kinda play and makes it less fun for the rest of us. Lets face it, it would take an act of God to stop a zerg that size and if we just avoid it and go another continent then we are stuck taking over bases unaposed and getting 0 fun and XP. All in all, I don't lik ehl, i mainly try and fight VS. :D

Zatrais
2003-07-08, 02:20 PM
Why bother bitching at them for beeing in large outfits, if they enjoy playing like it then hey, more power to them.

Not everyone wants a small outfit.

Sleepwalker
2003-07-08, 03:02 PM
i have friends who went ELH, and it fragging sucks. they're all a bunch of idiots who don't care who's in their outfit. Right now, i'm training to join The Trimmers, which is the most professional TR outfit on Konried that i have seen.
organization up the wazoo.:cool:

Spider
2003-07-08, 04:02 PM
Speaking of organization Today we cleared out a tower full of tr with 12 outfit members while 50 or so vanu were outside shooting at the tower itself...

God our horde is stupid!

Karak
2003-07-09, 12:15 PM
i had a look today when i was on , and though we have well over 100 members only about 100 of us actually play. everyone else just sorta joined and then never came back.

and dont blame ELH cause most of TR heads to the same spot...thats all the people who can use the command channel thing do...."come on everyone come to ******"

all thought if you look at it, often the other empires start moving to that continent too and the battles can become very intresting =).

Tryndamere
2003-07-10, 01:38 PM
One large reason TR on Markov has been declining is because of D2A.

Having 1000+ people in an outfit means that they generally control our zerg. 80% of our team will run around following everyone else, while the remaining 20% will battle tooth and nail to keep our land holdings elsewhere.

The good players in D2A need to quit and either form their own outfit, or check out some smaller ones. The team would benefit infinitely more from 10 outfits with 100 guys than from one with 1000.

Kyonye
2003-07-10, 06:33 PM
shouldn't care. as long as you know you have a good outfit then don't worry about it. we all know its not the amount of members that make the outfit, its the players.

Tryndamere
2003-07-10, 06:47 PM
we all know its not the amount of members that make the outfit, its the players.


An outfit of ten people is less effective than an outfit with 1000. Doesn't matter if they're the best players in the world, numbers still play an important role in outfit effectiveness.

(If you define outfit effectiveness as being able to win battles, take territory, hold territory, etc)

Onizuka
2003-07-10, 06:51 PM
my outfit has around 35 members which is just perfect for me. once they implament platoons we may get 20 more and thatll be caps.

besides we kick anyone that hasnt played in 6 days without notifying an officer (like for a vaccation or something)

BUGGER
2003-07-10, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Hamma
Its stupid :p -words of wisdom from mr. hamma :p

Onizuka
2003-07-10, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by BUGGER33
-words of wisdom from mr. hamma :p

thats mr. hammer to you son :)

Streamline
2003-07-10, 10:03 PM
All member totals can be skewed due to ppl having multiple characters. Alota ppl may have 4 characters in their outfit but only really play one.