Is agile armor betta than Reinforced?

[Frosty_Fire]

I want to know if its betta cuz with agile u can get into veichles and Reinforced u cant witch is worth getting Reinforced or Agile

[Trebor95]

with reinforced you have two rifle slots and more inv space. I personally cant do without reinforced as I have med assault and av.

I swap from Anti-personnel to anti-armour with the flick of the mouse wheel.

depends what your style of play is though, if you are a dedicated driver/pilot then agile armour is better, however for a commander/grunt etc. who like to go into a firefight then reinforced will be more suited to your style.

Its not possible in this game to say one thing is better than the other just like that. Each situation needs a different approach/weapon/strategy etc.

[Airlift]

Agile has better mobility. I notice that it is slightly better at avoiding fire than reif, but when you get hit it hurts a lot more.

[JLeeAZN]

Yea, what they said, agile makes you go alot faster and stuff. but with reinforced you can carry 2 guns and.... they said that too. You can be reinforced and ride as a passenger in most vehicles. I think reinforced is defenitly worth the 3 cert points. Also... you look cooler with your reinforced!!:D

[gonnagetyou]

Reinforced is deffinantly worth the cert once you are able to afford it. Agile is always available to you, so no problem getting it if you need it. However, if you're going to be doing a lot of infantry fighting, then the reinforced will help you out immensely. With two rifle slots you can switch weapons faster than going into your inventory and the extra cargo space will give you more ammunition for longer time in the field.

Use your favorites and set up one for driving with agile and then others with reinforced. This makes it very easy to switch between the two.

[12tontuna]

The first Vest is my choice, and here's why.

It's almost as fast as the inf suit.

It has no rank insignia that stands out. (I go after those with the highest BR insignia on their armor first...they are probably the ones with the highest CR too.)

It doesn't stand out as badly. Most persons see the Vest and assume you have a Suppressor. Most place you lower on the threat list. Even if this is a split second, it can make the difference.

With Surge, you run REAL fast and REAL far.

It seems to me that you also turn faster in the Vest.


Most will say I get hit harder, which is the case. However, I'm a medic and carry the medgun in the support slot. If I can get a little distance, I'll heal. Honestly, I choose my weapon based on the situation at hand.

All around, I'll take the Suppressor, then the Gauss. (don't laugh)
CQB...obviously the JH.
Harassing actions, I'll use the Bolter.

Unless I'm doing CQB, which is rarely, I live a good long time, often running my Bolter out of ammo...or long enough to switch to a dead enemy's loadout. I often have the MCG or Lasher, just because that's what I found with the most ammo lying around.

/rambling off

[Biohazzard56]

ya thats what i used to like , but test out reinforced for a day :)

[Bismarck]

Take reinforced, you can drive a basilisk still. And that baslisk is as fast as the planes if they dont have afterburner on. Plus your in a ATV so it's designed to go off-road. Taking jumps in a basilisk is one of the most fun things i've found to do in this game. Plus you've got the big chainguns on the front. The only problem is that is has very little armor. but speed makes up for that. A baslisks worst enemt is the rever or mosq. Followed by those damn mines on the bridges.

[Nekota]

Reinforced is more helpful if going against a MAX or a tank is nearby or you're taking a good deal of explosive damage. Otherwise you'll end up dead with an extra 50 armor to burn. Then there is the speed issue you run as fast in Reinforced without a weapon as Agile with a weapon out. This irritates me to no end. Then there are the vehicle restrictions. It's all well and good that you have that extra 50 armor and rifle slot but, I bet riding in a tank will extend your life alot farther then 50 armor. For 3 certs you should really consider a MAX suit and pick your loadout according to the situation. I will give reinforced one thing though it does look bad ass. Definetly not worth 3 certs though.

[Cease]

Most people said it all here. Just a small addition I would like to make is that you can drive all "open-cab" vehicles in reinforced.

That'd be:

Wraith
Basalisk
Harrasser
Enforcer
Marauder
Thresher

You can be a passenger/gunner in re-inforced in all vehicles(that have passenger/gunner spots) except the Liberator.

[Incompetent]

If you plan on being a grunt or a combat engy, Reinforced should be pretty much standard issue. Sure, if your in Agile you can cram a decimator into your inventory, or carry a rocklet, but if you do you'll spend more time running back to an inventory terminal then fighting. Also, in up close fights that 50 armor won't do you much good, but in longe range standoff battles, its a godsend. Sure for three certs you can get a MAX, but a MAX can't hack, can't rez, can't lay down deployables, hell, can't even open doors alot of the time, and i have yet to see someone cram a Vanguard into the CC. Also, don't even bother to cert in AV if you don't have reinforced, it's just suicidal to bring a pistol to a Rifle fight. The only time i can be coaxed into taking off my gasmask is if im in for a LONG run, or if i get the chance to crew a liberator, otherwise, the extra speed isn't worth it.

[PeregineDive]

I love my Rein armor. With Spec Assault and my Engi cert - unless I am being an idiot, I tend to live a long time. I can carry My Thumper, Decimator, lots of 'nades, REK, BANK, and that big Engi thing... and with Surge, you make a deadly foe. With Reinforced you just have to learn when to use surge, and when NOT too. Thats a big trick and takes some practice.


-PD

[TheRegurgitator]

No go with standard armor! Be a rebel!

[Nekota]

Actually Standard Armor has it's uses for sniping :D ...

- It'll force counter-snipers to take an extra second for target recognition. Since you don't have as much color it's harder to determine friend or foe. That and in some battles the enemy may only see your head sticking up over a ridge or around a tree.

- It may cause aircraft to pass you by as friendly. Just like counter-snipers less color makes you harder to distinguish as an enemy allowing you to hold your spot that much longer.

- You can run faster and longer. Allowing you to reach certain peaks that are otherwise unreachable to the heavier armor types. This can be particularly helpful in getting to areas that are harder for infiltrators to reach.

Other then that there aren't very many uses for standard armor.

[Doppler]

The last conjecture is not acurate standard has no better movmenet then agile, i think.

[12tontuna]

Originally posted by Pattywick
No go with standard armor! Be a rebel!

I do this all the time. Up close, or harrassing actions. I love the mobility.

[12tontuna]

Originally posted by Doppler
The last conjecture is not acurate standard has no better movmenet then agile, i think.


I have to disagree. There was a thread somewhere on these boards that pointed to a webpage that had the run speeds of all the armors, damage of all weapons etc.

It showed the Inf suit as fastest, followed very closely by standard.

Seriously, it's not hard to footrace and test. Take an Agile with surge and a Standard with Surge.

I love my Standard/Bolter/Medgun config. Except when Hamma blasts me with a reaver. But then, no armor is good enough.

[Kyonye]

well i would choose reinforced over agile any day. has more holsters. more inventory room, 50 more armor points and you can still turn as fast as if you were in agile armor. i recommend people have it unless you rely solely on vehicles such as aircrafts and/or tanks.

[SumYungGui]

the discussion of reinforced armor jogged an idea I had a ways back but am too lazy to research. if you have a reinforced bolt driver character with two bolt drivers, can he shoot, then switch to the other gun instead of reloading? while it'd be a significant investment and loss of on-the-field flexibility, the ability to drop a target in your crosshairs in that much less time may be worth it.

anyone know?

[Nekota]

That's not entirely true. See how many laps you can do around the training building in the Sanctuary with Surge with and without Standard armor. There's a significant difference.

[Onizuka]

well if agile armor was as good as reinforced, then youd have to pay 3 certs for it...

so reinforced may be a TAD slowler, overrall it is just better. 50 more armor units, another weapons holster slot which is a MUST if you want to ever be effective with the anti-vehicular cert.

btw: standard sucks, i really wouldnt wear it other than to run around in 3rd person mode and take ss's of myself lying dead on the floor to make a pwned pic :nod:

[Revolver]

Originally posted by 12tontuna
All around, I'll take the Suppressor, then the Gauss. (don't laugh)There's no reason to laugh. Supressor is one of the most accurate weapon in the game. Crouched and not moving, your CoF expansion is a big 0, which means you can constantly fire into the enemy without pausing for recoil. Supressor>Gauss/Cycler/Pulsar IMO

[1024]

Nothing is the "best". The whole point of this game is that different things are better in different situations. This causes the formign of squads, and teamwork.

[TheRegurgitator]

i tried this out in training- i could only take down two soldiers with a full clip of suppressor both standard and like 4 kills with a gauss three standard one agile

Oh and about the standard thing i never use standard armor i use reinforced

[PeregineDive]

I would venture to say that of the people to post that Supressor/Agile is a good combo, must be NC. Supressor might be good a medium/long range with no recoil, but up close - especially against a JackHammer - is the pits.

But, I do like the mobility offered by it. I can circle strafe around MAXs no problem with it, makes for some interesting times =) BTW, anyone know how many clips of Reglar and AP rounds it takes to down a MAX at full health?

-PD

[Bismarck]

Somewhere around 1,000,000,000,000.09 I think.

Shit it takes 16 shots from a Bolter. (i tried it out with one of my friends whos an NC).

[TheRegurgitator]

yeah 16 shots i did it in vr

[Bismarck]

/me gets idea, im gonna go to the shooting range and see how much regular ammo it takes to down a full health max....goes off into the wide world of PS.

be back soon with an answer

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by SumYungGui
the discussion of reinforced armor jogged an idea I had a ways back but am too lazy to research. if you have a reinforced bolt driver character with two bolt drivers, can he shoot, then switch to the other gun instead of reloading?

The time it takes to switch to the second weapon and the second weapon's CoF bloom to close is actually slightly slower than it you just reloaded.

[12tontuna]

Remember in Planetside, Speed Kills.

When you're a sniper, and a reinforced is in your crosshairs, his 150 armor, 2 pistol and 2 rifle slots and extra ammo space don't mean a rat's ass.

All that matters is that he moves SLOWLY. And the bolter doesn't descriminate...2 shots from it drops standard through to reinforced. And even with all your health kits, it'll still take you vital extra seconds to reach reliable cover before you get capped.
The same can be said when that JH/MCG/Lasher user surges to you in HIS standard/agile armor. He's all about closing the range quickly and staying out of your fire...which he is most likely able to do quite well.

In addition, even with surge, the reinforced is slow...and it's stamina bar drops fast. Further, in heated CQB, it's not about how much you are carrying...speed kills. It's about how fast you can strike, and get out to prepare to strike again.

Standard/Agile accomodate my philosophy far better than reinforced does. However, I fully agree with the statement regarding AV. If you have the cert, you SHOULD have reinforced armor. The only AV weapon that has any real effect on infantry is the Lancer, and it has small ammo crates that take up 3X3 room I believe. The only other place where I would say that reinforced shines is inside the NARROW areas of a base. It is here where mobility is negated, and the ability to slug it out becomes paramount.

My conclusion, Standard/Agile for out in the open...no matter the range. Reinforced for AV and extreme CQB. I mean look at my sig, I wear only Standard...I'm not a reaver/lib pilot. I must be on to something.

[Bismarck]

Sorry for the wait, I got into the game and by the time i got off it was 5 a.m. and i didnt feel like posting

In the shooting range I tested to see how much ammo it takes to down a max.
Here we go:

regular ammo, suppressor, nc max, this took 265 shots.

ap ammo, suppressor, nc max, this took 95 shots.

As you can see the ap ammo makes a significant diference.

[Lonehunter]

Just stick with Reinforced and get a Harasser or an empire buggy.

[Kyonye]

Originally posted by Revolver
There's no reason to laugh. Supressor is one of the most accurate weapon in the game. Crouched and not moving, your CoF expansion is a big 0, which means you can constantly fire into the enemy without pausing for recoil. Supressor>Gauss/Cycler/Pulsar IMO


damn straight yo. the supressor is very accurate and i get many kills using it. i also get many kills as a bombadier but when i'm on ground and don't feel like going into tthe thick, i sit back with my supressor and fire away.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Lonehunter187
Just stick with Reinforced and get a Harasser or an empire buggy.

eh, i did that until i was like br 16... now i just have a little mosquito to take me around. I wear agile armor as little as i can, but changing into it is worth the mobility that the mosq offers.. i just cant go back to my enforcer hehe