Favorite Military Aircraft

[AztecWarrior]

Note that I said "Military Aircraft". The A-10 Thunderbolt II, Jaguar, and Tornado ECR are not fighters. I didn't want to leave any of you strike fighter fans out.

Post an image/link and say why you like it as your favorite. Posting a 747, the Wright flyer, or da Vinci's Orthinopter will make you look like an idiot, but if you seriously think the Sopwith Camel will take down an F-16, post away. :rolleyes:

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/Su-35.html

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/su-35_1.jpg

This is the Sukhoi Su-35. This plane is built to be a match for any Western fighter, but the cool thing is the combination of vectored thrust (as on the F-22 Raptor) and front canards enable it to actually fly BACKWARDS under control. I don't have the video clip, but it's visible on the Discovery WINGS channel.

[Onizuka]

my 2 favorite planes of all time are the F-117 nighthawk and the b-2 stealth bomber.

The b-2:

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/b2bomber/images/d4c-122553-1.jpg

and the nighthawk:

http://www.afrotc.tcu.edu/photos/aircraft/f117/f117_5.jpg

but new and recent developments have shown that the b-2s stealth is affected by weather conditions.

click here (http://www.cnn.com/US/9708/22/b2.bomber/) for the full story.

[Lonehunter]

F-14 Tomcat
http://es.geocities.com/hangar007/images/f14-tomcat.jpg
Only becouse my Grandpa helped design and test it

Edit: Pic not available :(
Double Edit: Nevermind :D

[NightWalker XI]

I'm gonna have to say the F18 Super Hornet, l I really like it...


http://legion.wplus.net/guide/air/i/f18-1.jpg

EDIT: Here is a pic of a Tomcat for the above user:

http://www.swordsmen.org/aviat-gall/tomcat9.jpg

[Spider]

I got no pictures... but The NightStalker

A small helicopter with two gatling gun and troop (4 guys sitting on the sides) transport capabilities

That thing is super fast and rips apart a jet

It can also be armed with missiles depending on the type of operation

It's made for quick drops and quick pick ups no time to waste on the ground or near it (unlike the black hawk)

[NightWalker XI]

I knwo that the picture below is of an heli with the name NightStalker given to it by some...

http://w1.270.telia.com/~u27010324/photos/ah-67.jpg

[Spider]

That's the one :brow:

[NightWalker XI]

Yeah I don't think I would want to go up against that unless in something of equal power/agility or I had a Stinger or some other AA on me lol...those rocket pods and MG's look scary

*hides in shadows*

[LSnake23]

I'm gonna let Nighthawk post the pics for me ;)
But my favorite is the F-15 Eagle and the UH-60 Blackhawk.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by NightWalker XI


EDIT: Here is a pic of a Tomcat for the above user:

http://www.swordsmen.org/aviat-gall/tomcat9.jpg

Thank you NightWalker :D

[Mr1337Duck]

Is that heli a cobra? My pastor used to fly a cobra during Vietnam.

[NightWalker XI]

Originally posted by LSnake23
I'm gonna let Nighthawk post the pics for me ;)
But my favorite is the F-15 Eagle and the UH-60 Blackhawk.

You got to introduce me to this Nighthawk guy, he has a cool name...

F-15 Eagle

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/f-15E-takeoff.jpg

UH-60 Blackhawk

http://www.aircombat.it/uh-60/007.jpg

[NightWalker XI]

Originally posted by Mr1337Duck
Is that heli a cobra? My pastor used to fly a cobra during Vietnam.

No, that Heli is a AH6 Nightstalker...

This is the AH1 Cobra:

http://www.tropicdiver.com/air102001.jpg

EDIT: Here is a better pic...

http://www.angelfire.com/de/HMM365Vietnam/AH1hmm365.jpg

[Mr1337Duck]

ohh.... oki. B-2s are cool, they fly over my town sometimes on the way to Fort Riley or wherever the heck they're going.

[Spider]

Eh even with some kind of AA weapon I would be afraid of it, It's so damn nimble it dodges alot of things and its radars are so damn advance :brow:

And depending on the variation it can be silenced so the chopper it self doesnt do much sound and can come up behind you and shoot you before you notice :O_O:

[Navaron]

Fuck your fighter planes, here's a MAN'S plane.

http://www.usu.edu/afrotc/images/ac130%202.jpg

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/davitt/images/11_ac130_y_wallpaper_1024.jpg

[eXoSloth]

1. Blackhawk heli. Duh
2. Harrier Jump jet. Can take off straight up and hover and do weird stuff like that. Killed alot of people in crashes though
:(
http://www.secretweapon.com/images/secret/airpower_harrier.jpg

[AztecWarrior]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
Fuck your fighter planes, here's a MAN'S plane.

http://www.usu.edu/afrotc/images/ac130%202.jpg

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/davitt/images/11_ac130_y_wallpaper_1024.jpg

Excellent. Although a Su-35 would take it down. :p

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by BlackHawkX
1. Blackhawk heli. Duh
2. Harrier Jump jet. Can take off straight up and hover and do weird stuff like that. Killed alot of people in crashes though
:(
http://www.secretweapon.com/images/secret/airpower_harrier.jpg

The Devs probably stared at one of those for a while and thought, "Hey! Let's call that a Reaver and put it in the game!"

[BUGGER]

1. F-14 Tomcat
2. Hornet
3. The good ol Mustanges.

[shinken]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
Fuck your fighter planes, here's a MAN'S plane.

http://www.usu.edu/afrotc/images/ac130%202.jpg

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/davitt/images/11_ac130_y_wallpaper_1024.jpg

Spectre, nice, but thats not a mans plane, the A-10 thunderbolt II is, the only plane designed to take hits, not doge them, also has largest gun of any fighter, it has milk bottle sized bullets, and the gun has more thrust than both of its engines, if you could fire its GAU-8 avenger 30mm cannon long enough w/out melting the barrels and running out of ammo (its standard ammo supply 1135 shells runs out in 12 seconds,) it could fly backwards better than the sukoi 35 which can only fly backwards for a few seconds, in whats called a Cobra manuver, also the cannon can tear a tank apart with a few shells :D

[AztecWarrior]

The A-10 being invincible is a misunderstanding. I read that a SAM or large caliber AA round will take it down like any other plane, it's designed for flying home after the 'Golden BB', that one small hit that takes down a critical system. One bullet in the right spot can take down an F-111.

[EineBeBoP]

Originally posted by NightWalker XI
http://www.aircombat.it/uh-60/007.jpg

OMG :drool:
Black hawks rul

if i ever join a military force, id be working my way to flying thoes.

[AztecWarrior]

It was initially plagued with unreliable (as in breaks down a lot) engines. Be careful.

[shinken]

cant belive i forgot the P-51D Mustang, the cadilac of the sky (named specific model cuz the others had bad engines)
P86 twin mustang, two mustangs joined at the wing, whats not to like,
JSF, its VTOL, or STOL, is replacing the F-16(which i HATE and is just all around good

[Navaron]

As badass as the Thunderbolt is, it doesn't match up with the Spectre's unmerciless death from above nearly as well. That's sheer fucking terror, at least you can shoot at the thunderbolts.

[r3d]

http://www2.shore.net/~karr/lego/kids/plane1-lf.jpg

Vroooooooooom :S

[AztecWarrior]

Originally posted by r3d
http://www2.shore.net/~karr/lego/kids/plane1-lf.jpg

Vroooooooooom :S

I believe we have a winnar

[Sentrosi]

While Navs Spectre is respectable, I have to throw my old squadron's aircraft into the mix here:
http://www.vp4association.com/images/weapons.jpg

Info on the P-3 Orion (http://www.vp4association.com/P3_Orion.html)

[Spider]

Bah any of your big crap would get owned by the stalkers! MUAHAHAHAH

The old Liberator is cool too :D ahhh WW2 bombers

[NeoTassadar]

The new software Longbow Apache.
Saw the missles range on Tech TV just a few minutes ago. :eek:
Better to give than to recieve. I know where that came from now.

[NightWalker XI]

I forgot to add I also like these two:

B1 Lancer

http://www.bruenjes.org/airshows/edwards2002/Img_9461.jpg

Eurofighter Typhoon

http://www.sae.org/aeromag/techupdate_12-00/b_euro.jpg

[Chryse]

FYI: The AH-6 is not called a "Nightstalker." It's formal name is "Cayuse", early versions of which flew in Vietnam.

It's currently flown by the U.S. Army's 160th Special Operations Air Regiment (SOAR) (http://www.specwarnet.com/americas/soar.htm) who call it the "Little Bird".

You weren't too far off in the name, though, since the nickname for the 160th SOAR is "Nightstalkers". :)

Also, the Nightstalkers were the guys who were tasked to provide air ops for the Rangers and Delta Force in Mogadishu, Somalia in the early 90's, and it was two of their Blackhawks that went down in the events portrayed in Blackhawk Down. It was also their Little Birds that helped keep the Rangers and Delta operators alive overnight, flying continuous air-to-ground sorties to keep the Somalis from overrunning the guys down below till help could arrive to evacuate them.

[Spider]

Yea I love those choppers :D I hope I will fly one lol but chances are it wont happen since I'm going up for ground pilot n the military so... that means big trucks jeep and tanks weeeee!!!

[MrVulcan]

nonono, These are the best ones out there by far:

The great F-22
http://www.af.mil/images/raptor.jpg

And the russian counderpart the S-37
http://avia.russian.ee/pictures/russia/s-37.jpg

And, of course if you want pure brute strength, you must have the tried and true B-52

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/web_021105-O-9999G-012.jpg

Here are my reasons for these choices:
1st, some would try and argue that the SU-37 can easily beat out the F-22 and the S-37 for the best fighters, however keep in mind that though the Su-37 has a greator standard monervalibity than the F-22 and more payload than the S-37, its max alt and speed due to the type of vector thrust that they are using is naything but impressive.

The S-37 is by far more mobile, and the F-22 is by far faster/higher alt and larger payload total (assuming it uses meators or EAARMs and not the horrid AARAMs). Dont let the roll rate trick you into thinking that it can outproform either of the other 2 super fighters.

Also, I admit that the S-37 and Su-37 are using IRAM Systems for tracking (and hte US IRAM counterpart isnt as sensative yet), however though very good at convential tracking, the F-22 does have the Anti-Heat build that the others lack, also the super cool thrust that would make it possible to see with IRAM, but impossible to track from anywhere beyond the 0-zone (and at that point it dosnt matter anyway :lol: )

And Nothing out there can bring more pain than the B-52.

[NightWalker XI]

MrVulcan the Eurofighter Typhoon is better than the F22 and cost alot less.....

ph33r the EU! :D

Although I love the Sukhoi 37, I love inverted wing designs :)

[MrVulcan]

Night, please dont take offence to this as I dont mean any, just trying to compare the 2 planes:

The Eurofighter Typhoon can be better compared to the abilities of the JSF, not the F-22. The Eurofighter Typhoon tries to be a multi role fighter that can also be a fighter, and fails.

The F-22 has the great anti heat shielding that the typhoon lacks (so very vonerable to the IRAM type systems),
the F-22can reach a top speed of well above its euro counterpart (typhoon can only reach a max of M 1.85 in tests (last I read about anyway), and lacks stable supercruse)

The payload is horrid, and if I remember right (could be wrong), the euro counterpart does not have the range of the other 3 new fighters.

The Eurofighter Typhoon's moneravilibity is not anything compared to the F-22 (due to the adv vector thrust on the F-22)
And it has almost a laughable atempt at Anti-Short-Range-Radar capabilities

Ill admit that europe is trying to make it look good, but they should have realised that a multi role fighter that tries to be a fighter doesnt work after the horrid failure that the tornado turned out to be

Cost.. well yes, America does dish out the cash as it does with all military toys :lol: but the Eurofighter Typhoon costs more than the the S-37 or the Su-37 and both are better fighters.
Also, remember that even though the Eurofighter Typhoon costs aobut 60% that of an F-22, remember that the US's budget for the F-22 is much much larger than the Euro's budget for the Eurofighter Typhoon, and that there will be more F-22s created than Eurofighter Typhoons and S-37s total, so cost dosnt actually mean much to the most industrilised nation in the world :p We like big toys :p
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The S-37 is a very very sweet plane, it can run circles around the others as far as moneravilibity thanks to those wings. *though its payload and maxspeed leave something to be desired*

[NeoTassadar]

http://www.homeworld-das-spiel.de/images/taiidan-scout.gif
Nothing can defeat the Scout!:D
Sorry, playing too much Homeworld lately. Damn, it never gets old.

[Trebor95]

SR-71 :D

B-1

[xuur]

I've always been more of a fan of the 'old world' aircraft.


My favorites of all time still being the P-47 T-bolts

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/p47.jpg

and A-26 Invader

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/a26a.jpg


Used to fly them alot in some of the online WWII sims I would once frequent. Just something about the boom 'n' zoom planes ya gotta love.

/shrug

[NightWalker XI]

Why would I take offense, perfectly good argument...

Anywho:

Your wrong about the payload...I will pull up the figures when I find them but I know for a fact the Typhhon has more than Raptor, reason being Raptor carries its paylod inside the fuselage unlike other aircraft, this limits its load.

Besides:

Eurofighter is gonna be a replacement for jets like F16�s. The F-22 is the replacement for F15 fighters. That�s a big difference.

F15�s are more expensive than F16�s so it would not be a good comparison.

JSF vs Eurofighter and F-22 vs F-15 would be more wise?

From 2008-9, Typhoons will get the new Meteor long range AAM, this is a new European developed Ramjet AAM. It could carry up to 6, with in RAF service, a couple of the ASRAAMs now entering service with the Tornado F3s.

(this will make the Typhoon have a nicer armament but the USA will have something for us too)

Typhoon lacks decent supercruise and thrust vectoring making ti less manouverable (the delta wing doesn't help either)

The F22 was designed to be an air dominance, as opposed to air superiorority fighter. It is 2+ generation stealth, which means in most cases what is schwaks will never have known it was there. It has an AESA radar which has longer range, adds to its stealthiness, and has an embedded jamming capability. It carries 3-5x the computing power for CCCI functions, and can control almost 50% of the airspace volume that an AWACS can. With this capability, it will also be able to control multiple drones. It is larger and carries more fuel.

So the aircraft are in different categories really but still, I believe that the EF2000 is better but that is just me

[NightWalker XI]

Anyway:

EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON MULTI-ROLE COMBAT FIGHTER, EUROPE
DESIGN

The aircraft is constructed of carbon fire composites, glass-reinforced plastic, aluminium lithium, titanium and aluminium casting. Stealth technology features includelow frontal radar cross-section, passive sensors and supercruise ability.

The foreplane/delta configuration is intentionally aerodynamically unstable which provides a high level of agility (particularly at supersonic speeds), low drag and enhanced lift. The pilot controls the aircraft through a computerised digital fly-by-wire system which provides artificial stabilisation and gust elevation to give good control characteristics throughout the flight envelope.

COCKPIT

The pilot's control system is a voice-throttle-and-stick system (VTAS). The stick and throttle tops house 24 fingertip controls for sensor and weapon control, defence aids management, and inflight handling. The direct voice input allows the pilot to carry out mode selection and data entry procedures using voice command.

The BAE SYSTEMS helmet-mounted symbology system (HMS) and head-up display show the flight reference data, weapon aiming and cueing, and the FLIR imagery. BAE Systems TERPROM ground proximity warning system is being fitted. The cockpit has three multifunction, colour, head-down displays (MHDDs), which show the tactical situation, systems status and map displays. An international consortium EuroMIDS, which includes Data Link Solutions of the US, supplies the MIDS Low Volume Terminal provides Link 16 capability for secure transfer of data.

WEAPONS

As well as an internally mounted 27mm Mauser gun, the EurofighterTyphoon has 13 hard points for weapon carriage: four under each wing and five under the fuselage. An armament control system (ACS) manages weapons selection and firing, and monitors weapon status.

Depending on role, the fighter can carry the following mix of missiles:

Air-superiority: six BVRAAM (Beyond Visual Range)/AMRAAM air-to-air missiles on semi-recessed fuselage stations and two ASRAAM short-range air-to-air missiles on the outer pylons
Air interdiction: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two cruise missiles and two anti-radar missiles (ARM)
SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defences): four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-radar missiles
Multi-role: three AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two ARM and two GBU-24 Paveway III
Close air support: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, 18 Brimstone anti-armour missile
Maritime attack: four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-ship missiles
The UK RAF has selected MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) Meteor for the BVRAAM requirement and Raytheon AMRAAM until Meteor enters service. Meteor uses a new air-breathing ramjet motor for increased range and manoeuvrability. AMRAAM will be fitted from 2002 and Meteor around 2010. German and Italian Eurofighters will carry the imaging infrared IRIS-T air-to-air missile being developed by BGT of Germany, expected to enter service in 2005. RAF Eurofighters will carry the MBDA Storm Shadow/Scalp EG stand-off cruise missile, which entered operational service on Tornado aircraft in March 2003, and also the MBDA Brimstone anti-armour missile due to enter service in 2004.

COUNTERMEASURES

The aircraft's defensive aids sub-system (DASS) is accommodated within the aircraft structure and integrated with the avionics system. DASS has been developed by the EuroDASS consortium - BAE Systems Avionics of the UK (prime contractor), Elettronica of Italy and Indra of Spain. The consortium was rejoined in October 2001 by EADS, after the German Federal Ministry of Defence contracted to re-enter the programmme. DASS provides an all-round prioritised assessment of threats with fully automatic response to single or multiple threats. DASS includes an electronic countermeasures/support measures system (ECM/ESM), front and rear missile approach warners, supersonically capable towed decoy systems, laser warning receivers and SaabTech Electronics BOL chaff and flare dispensing system. The avionics system is based on a NATO standard databus with fibre optic highways.

SENSORS

The aircraft is equipped with a CAPTOR (ECR 90) multi-mode X-band pulse Doppler radar, developed by the Euroradar consortium. The multi-mode radar has three processing channels. The third channel is used for jammer classification, interference blanking and sidelobe nulling. Euroradar is led by BAE SYSTEMS, with Indra of Spain, FIAR of Italy and EADS (DaimlerChrysler Aerospace) of Germany.

A Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) is mounted on the port side of the fuselage, forward of the windscreen. The FLIR operates in both 3 - 5 and 8 - 11 micron spectral bands. When used with the radar in the air-to-air role, it functions as an Infrared Search and Track system (IRST), providing passive target detection and tracking. In the air-to-surface role, the FLIR performs target acquisition and identification, as well as providing a night flying aid.

ENGINE

The Eurofighter is equipped with two Eurojet EJ200 engines, each delivering thrust of 90kN in full reheat and 60kN in dry power mode. Single-stage turbines drive the three-stage fan and five-stage HP compressor. The engine features: digital control; wide chord aerofoils and single crystal turbine blades; a convergent /divergent exhaust nozzle; and integrated health monitoring.


vs.

F/A-22 RAPTOR - ADVANCED TACTICAL FIGHTER AIRCRAFT, USA
DESIGN

The F/A-22 construction is 39% titanium, 24% composite, 16% aluminium and 1% thermoplastic by weight. Titanium is used for its high strength-to-weight ratio in critical stress areas, including some of the bulkheads, and also for its heat-resistant qualities in the hot sections of the aircraft. Carbon fibre composites have been used for the fuselage frame, the doors, intermediate spars on the wings, and for the honeycomb sandwich construction skin panels.

COCKPIT
The cockpit is fitted with hands-on throttle and stick control (HOTAS). The cockpit has six color liquid crystal displays. The Kaiser Electronics Projection Primary Multifunction Display provides a plan view of the air and ground tactical situation including threat identity, threat priority and tracking information.

Two displays provide communication, navigation, identification and flight information. Three secondary displays show air and ground threats, stores management and air threat information.

A BAE SYSTEMS head-up display (HUD) shows target status, weapon status, weapon envelopes and shoot cues. A video camera records data on the HUD for post-mission analysis.

WEAPONS
A variant of the M61A2 Vulcan cannon is installed internally above the right air intake. The general dynamics linkless ammunition handling system holds 480 rounds of 20mm ammunition and feeds the gun at a rate of 100 rounds per second.

The F-22 has four hardpoints on the wings, each rated to carry 2,270kg, which can carry AIM-120A AMRAAM or external fuel tanks. The main under-fuselage weapon bay has the capacity to carry AMRAAM AIM-120A or AIM-120C missiles, and the joint direct attack munition (JDAM).The Raytheon AMRAAM air-to-air missile is an all-weather, short- to medium-range fire-and-forget missile, with a range of 50 nautical miles. The side bays can be loaded with Lockheed Martin/Raytheon AIM-9M Sidewinder all-aspect, short-range air-to-air missiles.

RADAR
The AN/APG-77 radar has been developed for the F/A-22 by the Electronic Sensors and Systems Division of Northrop Grumman and Raytheon Electronic Systems. The radar uses an active electronically scanned antenna array of 2,000 transmitter/receive modules, which provides agility, low radar cross-section and wide bandwidth.

COUNTERMEASURES
The aircraft's electronic warfare system includes a radar warning receiver and a BAE Systems Information & Electronic Warfare Systems (IEWS) (formerly Lockheed Martin Sanders) missile launch detector.

NAVIGATION AND COMMUNICATIONS
The TRW CNI communications, navigation and identification system includes an intra-flight datalink, joint tactical information distribution system (JTIDS) link and an identification friend or foe (IFF) system. Boeing is responsible for mission software and avionics integration. The aircraft has a Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) LTN-100G laser gyroscope inertial reference, a global positioning system and a microwave landing system.

ENGINE
The F-22 is powered by two Pratt and Whitney F119-100 engines. The F119-100 is a low-bypass afterburning turbofan engine, providing 156kN thrust. The F119 is the first fighter aircraft engine equipped with hollow wide-chord fan blades, which are installed in the first fan stage.

Thrust vectoring is controlled by a Hamilton Standard dual redundant, full authority digital engine control (FADEC). The FADEC is integrated with the flight control computers in the BAE SYSTEMS Astronics vehicle management system.

:rolleyes: :love:

[NightWalker XI]

Forgot to say on above post:

As you can see, the EF2000 has 13 hardpoints and the F22 only has 4 on the wigns and I think tis another 4 inside

[Chryse]

I have to agree with MrVulcan here... it's not really fair to compare the Typhoon with the Raptor when the real comparison should be with the JSF.

The F-22 is designed from the ground-up to be an air supremacy fighter... to detect and engage targets beyond visual range (BVR), before the opposition knows they are even there. It's not designed to act in multiple roles and have to compromise certain attributes to do so. The Raptor has a much smaller radar cross-section than the Typhoon and is considered "stealthy". The Typhoon is stealthier than other aircraft in the inventories of EU air forces, but not as stealthy as the F-22.

The two cannot be compared fairly also because of what the U.S. and E.U. are looking for in their latest fighters. The Raptor would be expected to deploy overseas and to other parts of the world as part of American foreign policy. The E.U. is concerned with operating within the continental are of Europe. The U.S. pays more to specialize the Raptor because it has the resources to do so. The Eurofighter consortium is made up of several countries working together on a single airframe that can perform several roles in order to save costs.

Now, I am not knocking the Typhoon because it definitely will do a better job than the several types being used now, including the Tornado ADV's and GR's, the Jaguars, and the MiG-29's in service with the Luftwaffe. IMO, the biggest competitor to the Typhoon comes from the French in the Dassault Rafale (see below):

http://www.danshistory.com/rafale.jpg

EDIT: NightWalker, you came along well with good stats, thanks. Like I said, the Typhoon will be a good aircraft but I don't think it's in the same category as the F-22. It carries more payload because it is expected to do more. However, while the primary mission of the F-22 is air supremacy, it does have the capability to carry weapons on external wing racks... the aircraft loses performance and stealthiness when these are carried.

[Cease]

My Favorites:

F-14
A-10
A-6

[NightWalker XI]

Originally posted by Chryse
EDIT: NightWalker, you came along well with good stats, thanks. Like I said, the Typhoon will be a good aircraft but I don't think it's in the same category as the F-22. It carries more payload because it is expected to do more. However, while the primary mission of the F-22 is air supremacy, it does have the capability to carry weapons on external wing racks... the aircraft loses performance and stealthiness when these are carried.

I see what you mean know, I was wrong in comparing the two...oh well it don't matter..my country ain't gettign neither of them (bastard of a Government...oh no we want peace....my ass! go and buy the Submarines you fucks!)

Yeah...Portugal may buy some new submarines from the French but the gay politicians want all thsi peace shit...yeah and how do we defend the country (yeah sure we are not a target like the US but thats not the point)

[NightWalker XI]

Also about the Rafale...I was reading up and I noticed apparently, before the Typhoon project went ahead Britain was thinking of helping fund the Rafale and so get some themselves or somethin like that...bah French aircraft.....Russia = teh PWN when ti comes to aircraft...

*hugs Sukhoi logo*

:D

[MrVulcan]

as Chryse pointed out, the F-22 can use the optional hardpoints that enabel it to have 10 total (3 each wing if memory serves) but it would lose much of its stealth and some of its moneravilibity/top speed. But you are right, I remembered only 9 hardpoints on the Tyhoon (oops :lol: )

Yep, they are for different roles, however I belive that thanks to the heat shielding, next gen stealth and supercruse the no other fighter could go 1-1 with the f-22 and win (assuming piolits were same skill)

The JSF was designed to be the multi purpose fighter/Vtol Marine transportation and the F-22B is going to be the Fighter Bomber for the US, so each can have their own area of strength. (a fighter bomber with supercruse, now thats insane ;) ) Can you see a F-22b with a pair of F-22 with it going after something :D now thats power.

*link to f-22b info: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,262063-3,00.html *

Also, keep in mind that the US is designing a metor counterpart (with slightly different stats, not sure just what it will be like, but it is relvoling around an internal based IRAM type systsem) that would replace the aging AMRAAM system.

I would also have to say that the Dassault Rafale relies too much on outdated tech to be able to keep up with the us-russian counterparts in the sky, but it is comparable to the Typhoon in its mission.

[Chryse]

Here's a future aircraft supposedly under development that, while not a fighter, I still find very cool... kinda like a real-world Galaxy (story from Popular Mechanics):

http://popularmechanics.com/science/aviation/2000/9/v44_pentagon_transport/images/tb_0009STAVB-LEAD.jpg

"Some planes are so beautiful they could hang in art museums even if they couldn't fly. Others--the Wart Hog tank-killer comes to mind--are as homely as their names. And then there is the Pentagon's next wonder-plane, the V-44. It's ugly, coyote ugly, with wings. Four wings to be exact. Each is tipped with a tilting nacelle that converts the V-44 from a helicopter that can land or take off wherever a truck can make a U-turn to a 300-mph fixed-wing transport, troop carrier or gunship. Still on the drawing board, the plane we've informally designated the V-44 derives from the V-22 Osprey, a two-wing tiltrotor that is now undergoing final evaluations by the Marine Corps. The need for a quad-rotor version stems from what defense analysts predict will be fundamental changes in the nature of war in the 21st century. Desert Storm was your father's war. Tomorrow, low-intensity conflicts will be the rule as the anointed battle the infidels, plant police take on drug barons, and taxmen shoot it out with money launderers.

"Uncle Sam has decided to step into the fray as the policeman of this new world disorder. His billy club will be a new military deployment strategy that puts ready-to-fight brigades on the ground in 96 hours. American armed forces will get into the action on a new type of plane, the V-44 Future Transport Rotorcraft (FTR).

"Twice A V-22 The FTR will provide a capability that does not exist anywhere in the world today--and perhaps will replace the helicopter for military operations. The concept for the aerial assault platform comes from Bell Helicopter Textron. Having teamed with Boeing on the twin-engine V-22 Osprey tiltrotor program, Bell has developed the concept for a larger fuselage. Envisioned to be about the size of a stretched C-130 Hercules, the FTR would feature two V-22-type wings, each having an engine and a combination rotor-propeller mounted at the outboard tips. The exact configuration has yet to be determined. Some versions show a tailless aircraft, others have an airframe more along the lines of a C-130.

"There is no disagreement about the interior. The V-44 is designed to be a heavy hauler. "Imagine this aircraft with a cabin large enough to internally carry an 8 x 8 x 40-ft. container, several helicopters, all types of high mobility multipurpose wheeled vehicles, light armored vehicles, eight standard loading pallets, or 70 [medivac] litters," reads an industry analysis describing the concept. 'Imagine an aircraft that could transport 80 to 100 troops or 10 to 20 tons of equipment and supplies at speeds greater than 300 mph over distances from 1000 to 2000 miles and then safely land vertically, without the need for runways or airports.'

"The FTR concept can be traced back as far as the early 1960s when the Curtiss-Wright Corp. built the X-19, a small quad-rotor testbed. After 50 successful test flights, it was destroyed in an accident. A second X-19 was scrapped. Enthusiasm for the FTR, however, is based on the technical success of the V-22 Osprey. These aircraft can be configured to carry 24 combat troops or up to 20,000 pounds of internal or external cargo at twice the speed of a helicopter. U.S. procurement plans call for 360 Marine Corps MV-22 aircraft and 50 U.S. Air Force CV-22 aircraft. Using parts common with the Marine MV-22, the Air Force CV-22 modification includes the addition of internal-wing fuel tanks and terrain-avoidance and terrain-following radars. It also has been given an enhanced electronic warfare suite, additional cockpit seating for a flight engineer, an aerial refueling probe and an internally mounted rescue hoist.

"The FTR will use a pair of V-22 propulsion systems. Each is based on two Rolls-Royce Allison AE 1107C 6150-shp engines and a computer-controlled rotor coordination system that permits a safe landing if one engine loses power.

"An obvious question is whether the four rotors could operate in such close proximity without creating turbulence that would shake apart the aircraft or make it impossible to control. To answer this question, Bell draws on data reaching back to its X-22 ducted propeller quad tiltrotor, which flew 500 flights between 1966 and 1988. The results encouraged Bell to test a pair of V-22s at a distance approximating the spacing between the fore and aft wings of a V-44. According to Dick Spivey, Bell's director of advanced concepts, the test was a success. Water tunnel tests showed that the rotor wakes from the front engines flowed down and inboard--below and inboard of the rear rotors. Technically, there is no reason this bird shouldn't fly.

"Thus configured, it could carry twice the payload and eight times the internal volume of cargo transported by the V-22. A true multiservice aircraft, it would reportedly meet the expanded needs of the Marine Corps' Ship-To-Objective Maneuver operations, support Air Force Aerospace Expeditionary Force units and meet many Army requirements for a future Joint Transport Rotorcraft (JTR). In the Army's case, officials envision a JTR that will replace some of the aging CH-47 Chinook helicopters. The Navy has its eye on the quad tiltrotor to make deliveries to its oceangoing fleet, much as the C-2A Greyhound now services carriers.

"Early requirements issued by the Defense Department call for the ability to transport 8 to 12 tons of cargo over 600 miles with return at cruise speeds of 300 knots. Bell Helicopter engineers believe that their FTR concept would come very close to meeting these criteria.

"In addition to the FTR's cargo-hauling abilities, the possibility of putting tiltrotor technology into combat can be seen in another industry analysis. With advanced laser weapons and precision fire control, the craft could provide protection for overtaking a captured or damaged airport or seaport, making such sites accessible to allied forces.

"Gunship applications are just one of several ideas being explored. A joint panel is looking at all of the rotorcraft possibilities. 'They're looking at joint common lift replacement aircraft, to include a medium assault, a utility and an attack and anti-armor aircraft,' explains Marine Corps Capt. Aisha Bakkar-Poe. 'The Marine Corps' view is that tiltrotor is the way of the future because it has such a longer range and goes so much faster that it almost makes a helicopter obsolete.'"

[MrVulcan]

I did see that, and it does look very nice for troop transport in hot zones

[WickedDeus]

The best ever!!!

The YF-19
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/YF19front.gif

The YF-21
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/YF21hangar.gif

[Chryse]

I wish I could say this plane is my favorite but, even if it exists, it's a long way from seeing service. When it does, I will be a big fan of it: say hello to the "Switchblade."

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/thumbnails/switchblade11.jpg

(text from Area51Zone.com (http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade.shtml))

"The Switchblade, officially called the Bird of Prey, is like a flying Swiss Army Knife. It is a bomber, a fighter, and a high-speed plane all in one. It accomplishes this by using a unique swing-wing design. The wings are attached to its fuselage (body) at a pivot point toward the back of the plane. When the wings are fully extended, the plane can fly slowly to drop bombs precisely on their targets or land on short runways. When the wings are swept farther forward, the aircraft takes advantage of the maneuverability that forward-swept wings offer, and becomes an agile fighter. When the wings are swept fully forward, the trailing edge of the wing becomes the leading edge, and the aircraft turns into a delta shape perfect for dashing away at speeds up to Mach 3.

"You can see the different positions of the wings with a brief explanation below:

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade-bomb.jpg
"With its wings swept perpendicular to its body, the Switchblade can fly at lower speeds to drop bombs precisely on their targets.

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade-fight.jpg
"With its wings swept farther forward, the aircraft becomes extremely maneuverable for aerial combat.

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade-speed.jpg
"When the wings are swept fully forward, the trailing edge of the wing becomes the leading edge, and the Switchblade can dash away at speeds up to Mach 3.

"Therefore, the Switchblade can carry out multiple missions just by reconfiguring itself in flight.

"The Switchblade is going to replace the F-111 fighter-bomber, which was permanently retired in 1995. The F-111 was a medium-sized bomber that could defend itself like a fighter and speed away at more than 1600 miles an hour. The Switchblade was at first sighted only near Cannon Air Force Base in New Mexico, at Langley Air Force Base, and Armarillo, Texas. At first, it was thought that the Switchblade was a standard[going from fully back to normal] swing-wing plane like the F-111, but now we know that the swing-wing design is more complex - and better. The design is explained in the series of pictures and captions above.

"In November 1999, the Switchblade was patented by the Northrop Grumman Corporation: U.S. Patent 5,984,231. It states, 'An aircraft with a variable forward-sweep wing and the method of configuring the wing in an optimal position for a desired flight regime. The variable forward-sweep wing is positionable from an essentially unswept position to a full-forward sweep position. In the unswept position the wing is approximately orthogonal to a fuselage centerline, while in the full-forward sweep position the wing has approximately a delta wing planform[platform]. Moreover, as the wing position changes from the unswept position to the full-forward sweep position the trailing edge becomes the leading edge. In addition, the aforementioned apparatus may be used in a method to configure the aircraft for flight in a desired flight regime. This method includes moving the wing to an optimal position for the desired flight regime.' Apart from being very abstract, this patent signifies that the Switchblade will soon be declassified (declassification usually follows a year after a patent filing)."

[AztecWarrior]

Originally posted by WickedDeus
The best ever!!!

The YF-19
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/YF19front.gif

The YF-21
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/YF21hangar.gif

Get those crap anime planes out of my thread! :mad: Who the hell would paint their plane deep blue?

[shootx]

Originally posted by r3d
http://www2.shore.net/~karr/lego/kids/plane1-lf.jpg

Vroooooooooom :S



i challenge u 2 a race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/elmoairplane.jpg

[Spider]

hmm don't galaxies actually exist? (big ass military transport plane) Or am I confused :O_O:

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by Spider
hmm don't galaxies actually exist? (big ass military transport plane) Or am I confused :O_O:

yes they do, but this one would actually have guns and allow for hot drops unlike the current gal.


Originally posted by WickedDeus
The best ever!!!

The YF-19
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/YF19front.gif

The YF-21
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/YF21hangar.gif

Oh ya, those are the best ones hands down :D

[AztecWarrior]

What's this? Fictional paper planes beating advanced fighters, according to MrVulcan? Very illogical.

[Chryse]

Originally posted by Spider
hmm don't galaxies actually exist? (big ass military transport plane) Or am I confused :O_O: Yes, the USAF C-5 Galaxy.

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/pictures/c-5.jpg

The galaxy I was referring to was the PS version. :)

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by AztecWarrior
What's this? Fictional paper planes beating advanced fighters, according to MrVulcan? Very illogical.

Your analysis is flaued, if a craft did exist that had the capabilities of that design (not too impossible), it would by far be the most superior milirary vech ever created.

[Spider]

Unless you bring out gundams :brow:

Then the planes are screwed :lol:

[NightWalker XI]

And then come the Eva's which can PWN Gundams :D

[WickedDeus]

Gundams......droooool.....must watch Gundam Seed and Macross Zero NOW!!!:D

[WickedDeus]

.....and then RahXephon would come out and dance with Unit 01.

[shootx]

yea but this box can totaly pwn u and ur gundams!

[NeoTassadar]

Originally posted by NightWalker XI
And then come the Eva's which can PWN Gundams :D AT Fields>Buster Cannons. End.

[AztecWarrior]

Shoo! Go debate in your anime thread, get the hell out of my thread or I will unleash the USAF on you!

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by NeoTassadar
AT Fields>Buster Cannons. End.

very true, AT fields are the best thing out there, Evas would win hands down.

[AztecWarrior]

STOP DISCUSSING THIS CRAP IN MY THREAD!

Austin flight, you are clear to take off on runway 22 right.

*Eight A-10 Thunderbolts take off from Homestead AFB bound for MrVulcan's house*

[shinken]

do take it to the other thread, A-10s rock yeah :rock:

[shinken]

the anime reminds me of of another of my favorite aircraft, the Oka, better known as the Baka Bomb, it was a Rocket plane invented by the japanese for the Kamekaze, it had a ton (at least) of TNT in the nose, but like the rest of the Kamekaze aircraft they wernt very effective

[AztecWarrior]

Another of the crazy-ass ideas invented by the axis powers when they were losing.

For example, there was a version of the V-1 flying bomb that was to be piloted, aimed at its target, and then the pilot would jump out? Of course it is debated, and now most people say that it was just a test plane designed to iron out bugs. Who knows.

[AztecWarrior]

But back to modern aircraft.

French aircraft suck.

Dassault-Rafale enjoys good export to non-NATO countries but they suck too much for NATO. This was a b!tch when Iraq used its Mirage F1Cs against Coalition aircraft during Gulf War I. Of course, the Mirages were pwned.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by AztecWarrior
STOP DISCUSSING THIS CRAP IN MY THREAD!

Austin flight, you are clear to take off on runway 22 right.

*Eight A-10 Thunderbolts take off from Homestead AFB bound for MrVulcan's house*

First off someone has been playing WAAAAY too much Jane's USAF

Secondly, if this thing had been made into a military aircraft you ould kiss most modern fighters good by. The F-16 XL or Cranked Arrow, with its massively increased wing area could carry more munitions and fuel then any other fighter bomber in the world.

http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/images/F16XL.jpg

unfortunatly for us and fortunatly for our enemys it was never designed as a military aircraft, just test base for Nasa and space shuttle. As for my fav plane its the F-16 C but thats becoming heavily out dated. for my runner up its probly gotta be um

http://www.aircrash.org/burnelli/images/f-22.jpg

P.S. thats UH-6 "Nightstalker" or "Nightstriker" as refered previously to is acctualy the "Little Bird" which is also a indian style name just like all the other helios in the Air cav. (and Airforce but mostly Air Cav)

[AztecWarrior]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
First off someone has been playing WAAAAY too much Jane's USAF

:evil: I bombed the crap out of Las Vegas once- select the F-15E, load up on Mk 84s, select unlimited ammo, and bomb the sinful city!

NOTE: You can only do this when you take off from Nellis AFB.

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by AztecWarrior
STOP DISCUSSING THIS CRAP IN MY THREAD!

Austin flight, you are clear to take off on runway 22 right.

*Eight A-10 Thunderbolts take off from Homestead AFB bound for MrVulcan's house*

:lol:
I watch all 8 try to go into space to reach 'Vulcan', stall, and come tumbeling down.
Nice try, but tell ya what, you help us convince Hamma to make a Anime forum and I wont post anime stuff anywhere else ;)

[Squeeky]

http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/images/f-22.jpg
http://www.flash.net/~larryd55/f-22.jpg


F-22 Raptor
Advanced tactical fighter


Country of origin: USA
User country: USA
Manufacturer: Lockheed Martin, Boeing
Function: Air superiority fighter.
Crew: F22-A one; F22-B - two.
Engine: two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines 35,000 lb trust each
Armanent: The F-22 is capable of carrying existing and planned air-to-air weapons. These include a full complement of medium-range missiles such as the AIM-120A advanced medium range air-to-air missile (AMRAAM), and short-range missiles such as the AIM-9 Sidewinder. The F-22 also will have a modernized version of the proven M61 internal gun and growth provisions for other weapons. The aircraft also will be capable of carrying GBU-30 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs) and other ground-attack weapons.


WEIGHTS

Empty: 14,365 kg / 31,670 lb
Max. take off: 27,216 kg / 60,000 lb


DIMENSIONS

Wing span: 13.56 m / 44 ft 6 in
Length: 18.92 m / 62 ft 1 in
Height: 5.02 m / 16 ft 8 in
Wing area: 78 m2 / 840 ft2


PERFORMANCE

Supercruise speed: 1.58 Mach / 1,890 kmh / 1,170 mph
Afterburning mode speed: 1.7 Mach / 2,030 kmh / 1,260 mph
Max level speed: 1.24 Mach / 1,480 kmh / 920 mph
Altitude: 15,240 m / 50,000 ft


WEFT DESCRIPTION

Wings: High-mounted, large area clipped delta type with angular, blunt tips.
Engine: Two mounted in the rear. Diagonally-shaped, box-like air intakes alongside the fuselage. Dual exhausts.
Fuselage: Short tapered nose and a bubble canopy. Large, box-like center section that tapers slightly to front and rear.
Tail: Two canted outward fins with tapered leading and trailing edges, and square tips. Flats mid-mounted on the fuselage, swept-back, and tapered with triangular tips.
Similar aircraft: F-15 Eagle

[Peacemaker]

Squeeky do you even know what a tapered leading is? Or trailing edge?

[AztecWarrior]

Peacemaker, STFU, you dont know what a LERX is.

[THrONeBeaST]

A-6 , F-4 , f-16 and E-2

[AztecWarrior]

Originally posted by MrVulcan
:lol:
I watch all 8 try to go into space to reach 'Vulcan', stall, and come tumbeling down.
Nice try, but tell ya what, you help us convince Hamma to make a Anime forum and I wont post anime stuff anywhere else ;)

It appears that our operation has failed, we now initiate project DIAMONDBACK....um...you did not just read that...

[Squeeky]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
Squeeky do you even know what a tapered leading is? Or trailing edge?

I'm a highschool student, not an aeronaughtics engineer.

[AztecWarrior]

Originally posted by Squeeky
I'm a highschool student, not an aeronaughtics engineer.

So? I am and I know, you can pretty much guess what field I want to go into.

[Navaron]

Originally posted by AztecWarrior
So? I am and I know, you can pretty much guess what field I want to go into.

I'm in that field already, and I can tell you trivial pursuit won't get you anywhere.

[1024]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
I'm in that field already, and I can tell you trivial pursuit won't get you anywhere.

pwned.

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by AztecWarrior
It appears that our operation has failed, we now initiate project DIAMONDBACK....um...you did not just read that...

:yawn:
*checks planatary shield status.... 122% efficiency.... checks planatary defence weapons.... 118% efficiency..... looks for anime forum w/me as mod, still not there yet..... goes back to bed*

;)

*is it just me, or is this stuff just fun :D *

[AztecWarrior]

Nav: You are my hero, who do you work for?

[BUGGER]

charlie......

[Setari]

Just a thought...Who paints their planes deep blue? It seems to work for the Blue Angels... :P

[NightWalker XI]

Maybe they paint them blue for camouflage...hmm...yes, so why do the Russians paint their aircraft light blue and white in winter...gee they must from an anime...

Yawn....

[JonnyK]

Originally posted by NightWalker XI

F-15 Eagle

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/f-15E-takeoff.jpg

[NightWalker XI]

Here is a better pic of the Eagle:

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/f15/dvd-115-04.jpg

[Spider]

http://www.space.com/images/h_hi_alt_03.jpg

See those planes... that would be the arrow a plane that was built in the 1950's as a high altitude supersonic fighter jet.

MADE BY CANADA!!! But the U.S didnt like it so we had to get rid of it or get blasted! once again they had to be the strongest.

If the project had stayed in place it would have taken the U.S till the 1970's to catch up with our plane type, but of course by then we would of had advanced and made better planes! But!!! We had to destroy everything about it plans, models, everything.

grr!

(it went to speeds of mach 2... in 1958...)

[NightWalker XI]

Originally posted by Spider
http://www.space.com/images/h_hi_alt_03.jpg

See those planes... that would be the arrow a plane that was built in the 1950's as a high altitude supersonic fighter jet.

MADE BY CANADA!!! But the U.S didnt like it so we had to get rid of it or get blasted! once again they had to be the strongest.

If the project had stayed in place it would have taken the U.S till the 1970's to catch up with our plane type, but of course by then we would of had advanced and made better planes! But!!! We had to destroy everything about it plans, models, everything.

grr!

(it went to speeds of mach 2... in 1958...)

WTS! USA threatened Canada to not build the plane? :mad:

[Searo]

I prefer the F-15 Eagle. In fact when I save up 40 million dollars I believe I will buy one. BWAHAHA! The only reason I dislike the Raptor is because it's replacing the good ole F-15. :(

EDIT: Also, I really like the F-4 Phantom. It was originally designed without a gun, but that proved to be retarded and they added a gun to it. The two-man crew was incredibly effective back when it was introduced.

[NightWalker XI]

Here are some more interesting/cool aircraft/helicopters POSSIBLE projects in the working:

A-17 EXPERIMENTAL STEALTH ATTACK PLANE - STATUS - SPECULATION/RUMOUR

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/images/a17.gif

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/images/enhance.jpg

Generally regarded as a fourth generation low-observable design, the A-17 is believed to have evolved from the YF-23 Advanced Tactical Fighter, and will replace the F-111 Fighter Bomber. The YF-23 lost out to Lockheed's F-22, but it's technology could easily be adapted for use on other projects. No positively-identifiable white world pictures exist of the plane, but sightings have been reported at RAF Boscombe Down in the UK, and Cannon AFB, New Mexico

BOEING-SIKORSKY RAH-66 COMANCHE STEALTH HELICOPTER - STATUS - SOON TO BE OPERATIONAL

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/images/comanche.jpg

The Boeing Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche is the world's most advanced helicopter and the cornerstone of the U.S. Army's Force XXI aviation modernization plan. The Comanche makes use of the latest advancements in aerospace technology, including stealth which has until now been confined to airplanes. The futuristic propulsion and navigation design also allows the helicopter to execute snap turns in 4.5 seconds and fly sideways or backwards at an incredible 70 mph!

TACIT BLUE STEALTH AIRCRAFT - STATUS - ON DISPLAY

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/images/tacitblue.jpg

The US Air Force, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and Northrop Corp. teamed up for the TACIT BLUE Technology Demonstration Program from 1978 to 1985. TACIT BLUE validated a number of innovative stealth technology advances. Most notably, it was the first aircraft to demonstrate a low radar cross section using curved surfaces, along with a low probability of intercept radar and data link.

[NightWalker XI]

I found this on another forum where I talka bout new aircraft, secret aircraft, etc...

CHINA RELEASE NEW FIGHTER. THE J-10.

The Chinese People's Liberations Army Air Force will soon have a fifth generation fighter jet to replace the aging J-6, J-7, J-8, J-9, MiG-21.
The new J-10 is a Joint Chinese-Israel operation.
The Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) and the 611 institute began development of the J-10 during the 1980s, as part of an effort to produce a single-engined, single-seat multi-role, fighter to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and the Q-5 attack aircraft.
In looks the J-10 appears to be very similar to the Euro Fighter Typhoon,
CAC has carried out full tests on 10 prototypes the last being 28 June 2002 when Number 1008 flew its madden flight.
A J-10B has been earmarked as a possible Carrier-based version.
With a reported take off weight of 42,00lb, the J-10 is about 1/3 lighter than the Su-27K deployed aboard Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov, allowing it to operate more easily from a smaller deck, and take off with full load from a Russian-style ski-jump.
China has sharp teeth! Now!

[NightWalker XI]

I was looking around more and I foudn info on a stealth helicopter the Russians were working on, they dropped it though because they are planning on using plasma generators on the Kamov 52...

Anyway...Kamov Ka-50-2:

http://www.russian.ee/~star/vertigo/foto/ka-50-2.jpg

http://www.russian.ee/~star/vertigo/foto/ka-50-2-s.gif

[WickedDeus]

Originally posted by Spider
http://www.space.com/images/h_hi_alt_03.jpg

See those planes... that would be the arrow a plane that was built in the 1950's as a high altitude supersonic fighter jet.

MADE BY CANADA!!! But the U.S didnt like it so we had to get rid of it or get blasted! once again they had to be the strongest.

If the project had stayed in place it would have taken the U.S till the 1970's to catch up with our plane type, but of course by then we would of had advanced and made better planes! But!!! We had to destroy everything about it plans, models, everything.

grr!

(it went to speeds of mach 2... in 1958...)

If this plane was so advance why did you let a less advanced country grab you by the balls?

Here is a good now plane.

F-35 Joint Strike Fighter:

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/images/img3.jpg
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/images/img6.jpg
http://www.vectorsite.net/avf35_1.jpg
http://popularmechanics.com/science/military/2002/5/flexible_flyer/images/tb_lead-lg.jpg

The planes that won the Cold War are getting old. They pack as lethal a punch as ever, but like the baby boomer generation they protected, they are beginning to show their age. The electrical system of the Air Force's A-10 Thunderbolt, better known as the Warthog because of its ungainly tail-engine configuration, lacks the juice to handle modern radar and battle-management computers. Salty sea air has hastened the breakdown of the insulation in some Navy jets, causing scores of fires and prompting a program to install arc-fault circuit breakers. The Marines are seriously worried that they could run out of Harrier jump jets.

There is no argument within the defense community that America needs a new family of military aircraft. The problem is money. Keeping one step ahead of the former Soviet Union has driven the cost of aircraft to astounding heights. The U.S. Air Force says that the "fly-away" cost of the first 10 F-22 Raptors, the last fighters designed to counter the Soviet threat, is $99.7 million each. When the U.S.S.R. folded its tent, the Pentagon decided it was time not only for new planes, but also for a less costly way of doing business. Thus, the birth of America's newest combat aircraft, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF).

The F-35s are a family of three aircraft, designated the F-35A, F-35B and F-35C. Similar in shape and size, and powered by the same basic engine, the F-35s will share between 70 and 90 percent of their parts. Yet, under the skin they are three distinctly different machines.

The U.S. Air Force will fly the F-35A. Designed to take off and land from conventional runways, it bears a close family resemblance to the F-22 Raptor air superiority fighter--a trait shared by all three JSF variants. The Air Force wants to use the F-35A to replace its obsolete fleet of A-10 tank killers and rapidly aging F-16 fighters. "The [F-35A] would allow for migration by U.S. forces to an almost all-stealth fighter force by 2025," says Edward Aldridge, undersecretary of Defense for Acquisitions.

In a future war, F-22s and F-35As would fly complementary missions. The F-22 would establish and maintain air superiority, while the F-35As would attack the enemy on the ground. Planners envision that during the first hours of a war F-35As would take advantage of their near Mach 2 speed and stealth to deliver a pair of internally carried 2000-pound "supersmart" bombs against command and control targets. Once the enemy was blinded and stealth became unnecessary, ground crews could fit the two hardpoints on the F-35As wings with a variety of missiles and bombs. If the Air Force holds to its current plans, it will buy 1763 F-35As. The least complicated of the designs, they will cost more than $30 million each.

U.S. Marines will fly the F-35B, which is detailed in the cutaway drawing to the right. While its overall shape, size and radar-absorbing stealth coatings are identical to the Air Force F-35A, the powerplant and airframe have been modified for short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) operation. The Marines will use the F-35B to retire their current--and rapidly dwindling--fleet of British-designed AV-8B Harrier jump jets. F-35Bs would be deployed with Marine Expeditionary Units and operate off short-runway landing ships. Eventually, the Marines hope to buy 609 F-35Bs to replace the Harriers, as well as their carrier-based F/A-18C/D Hornets.

The Navy will fly the most visibly different member of the JSF family, the F-35C. Built using the same airframe and engine as the Air Force and Marine variants, it will have larger wing and tail-control surfaces. These are needed to maintain control at the lower speeds required for carrier approaches. The wingbox and airframe will be strengthened to absorb the shock of catapult launches and arrested landings. Additional wing area--which is created with larger leading-edge flaps and foldable wingtip sections--means the F-35C will be able to carry more fuel for a longer operating range and a larger payload. The Navy hopes to buy 480 of the aircraft to replace its aging fleet of Hornets. In a future war, the F-35Cs would work in concert with the F/A-18E/F Super Hornets.

The First Dogfight
The F-35 is the product of an aggressive aircraft design competition that pitted the nation's two top military aircraft manufacturers, Lockheed Martin and Boeing, in a corporate dogfight. Each company was required to build and fly its version of the JSF, designated the Boeing X-32 and Lockheed Martin X-35. But that was only the start. With the JSF project the Pentagon not only wanted a superior aircraft, it also wanted to pull in the reins on escalating costs. To put this strategy into action, manufacturers were instructed to design planes with as many common parts as possible. Beyond designing and building an aircraft, each company also was required to demonstrate that its design would be the most economical for the armed forces to operate. In the end, the task of selecting a contractor for the "winner take all" contract proved so complex that some 250 Defense Department officials were involved in evaluating the data. "Both of the proposals were very good. Both demo programs were very good," says James Roche, secretary of the Air Force. "It became clear, as we went through this process, that the Lockheed Martin team was a clear winner from the point of view of best value for the government. I would not characterize [the decision] as a squeaker at all, nor would I say by a mile."

Old And Bold
Lockheed Martin's design represents a blend of old and bold technologies. The F-35 achieves its stealthy, small radar cross by relying heavily on an airframe and engine inlet design that borrows liberally from the F-22 Raptor, also built by Lockheed Martin ("21st Century Fighter," Dec. 1999, page 84). Initially, F-35s will use a modified version of the Pratt & Whitney F119 engine that powers the F-22. The F-35's engine is designated the F135. If the F-35 goes into full production, all three versions of the aircraft also could use a direct-replacement F120 engine, to be built by General Electric.

The F-35 makes its most radical departure from the past with the choice of the lifting system for the F-35B jump jet. The Harriers currently operated by the Marines achieve vertical flight by diverting downward the hot gases expelled by the engine. The F-35B uses a design built around a lift fan. Lifting with cooler air offers several advantages. Chief among them are less heat stress on the engine and a smaller infrared signature for anti-aircraft missiles to home in on. The tradeoff is a higher degree of mechanical sophistication.

There are three parts to the lifting system. The first part is the lift fan. About half of the thrust needed to hover and land is created by forcing ambient air downward through a pair of doors that open directly behind the cockpit. Power comes from a 2-stage low-pressure turbine on the engine and is coupled to the lift fan through a clutch. The fan itself consists of a pair of counterrotating turbines that are capable of creating as much as 18,000 pounds of thrust. Roughly the same amount of thrust is created by blasting hot gases from the engine downward, through a 3-bearing nozzle, the system's second part. Finally, a pair of roll nozzles located under the wings provide balance.

Moving To The Flight Line
Thus far, the Defense Department has committed $22.9 billion for the construction of 22 F-35s. The Air Force and Marines will each get five flying aircraft, the Navy four. The remaining eight will be nonflying versions for various testing programs. The Pentagon estimates it will eventually need as many as 3000 F-35s, at a total cost of $200 billion. The British government, which has been involved with the JSF project since the inception of the program in the mid-1990s, has expressed interest in buying either the F-35B or F-35C. A final decision is not likely until 2010 when, among other things, the prices of these aircraft can be estimated with greater certainty.

Barring a wholesale shift to unmanned vehicles or unanticipated engineering problems--both viewed as unlikely events--the F-35A will begin replacing the Air Force F-16s and A-10s by 2010. The following year, the Marines and Navy will take delivery of their first F-35Bs and F-35Cs.

[Spider]

Yes canada got bitch slapped by the U.S to not build it.

U.S.A felt threathened by the military advance that was and they made an ultimatum

Either we destory everything of it or we get rammed in the ass by them and their tanks.

Edit: Well wicked at this point it was still in testing. There was six of them existing and we were gonna mass built it soon but the U.S having better functionnal planes (not in test) then ours and a mass amount of armor we didnt want to get destroyed so we gave up.

So we got screwed out of it before we could lauch them for fighting... :ugh:

[WickedDeus]

Canada....the superpower that never was? :(

[Spider]

yes :(

[NightWalker XI]

Oh the shame....at leadt you have a government who agrees to develop your own weps...Portugal is gay and pretty much 99% of all weaponry (Naval, Air or Land) is all Yank :sigh:

LoL anywho....keep the aircraft coming peeps :D