Uber Rant

[Searo]

I have a level 4 Vanu on Konried, and today I played with him for an hour and a half.
His Certs-
Reinforced Armor
Medium Assault
Starfire MAX

My thoughts on Vanu stuff-
Pulsar-Decent now, about as good as Gauss and Cycler

Starfire- This ticks me off, it's a joke. I emptied a clip LOCKED-ON! on several Reavers. Guess my Reaver kills for the day? Zero! They ran away from my shots, and then came back and slaughtered me with missiles while I reloaded! The clip is tiny, the speed is equal to a speeding ANT, the damage is negligible, the burn is non-existant. WHY DO I STILL OWN THIS PIECE OF CRAP CERTIFICATION?
I got 0 kills with it, and I got considerably more kills from the Pulsar. WHAT?

Jumpjets-Wow, this is helpful in combat. Now people in the base, outside the base, and in the air can all fire at me at once. Not only that, but after they blow me up I get to crater upon returning to land. Helpful for not running into walls. Wow.

Beamer- I prefer the Mag-Scatter over the Suppressor. That thing is feared. It's Jackhammer in a can. This however, is like a Jammer Grenade, without the jamming effect.

Jackhammer- Overpowered, someone pointed it at me and held down the mouse button. I died pulling my Pulsar out.

Phoenix- I can't even see who's firing these at me! There's no way to kill the person that's shooting at you. Artillery in a can here, Devs, weren't you against dying by something you have no control over?

Vanu Anti-Air-Why is this section here? There's no such thing as a Vanu capacity for Anti-Air. Lancer? Yeah right, those two seconds charging are gonna let you experience 24 Reaver rockets. Lasher? I'm sure it's humanly possible to lead an Aircraft with one of these. [/sarcasm] Starfire? Owned by a Spitfire turret.

Vanu need more of a boost. They have no anti-air! Just bring along three-four reavers and a Vanu force is effectively contained. We were getting owned by Skeeters! There was no way to hit them! NC are just too powerful in some areas, which isn't fair.

[Katanaboy]

finally, someone from a different empire who knows what we vanu go through :)

[Arthell]

Your kidding ... right? :huh:

[Katanaboy]

kidding about what? everything he's said is so so true.

[Hexen]

Patience, young Padawan.

The patches are coming. :D

[shinken]

:rofl:

[PeregineDive]

Heh... so someone finally tested our side out eh? That actually isn't a half bad idea. It's nice to know what the other factions think of us AFTER they have played AS us. I've also played as NC & TR, very different change of pace. I laughed my ass off the first time I played NC and got my HA weapon right away, and proceeded to wreak some havoc


-PD

[aiwest420]

quit whining about the JH....lasher and MCg are getting boosted.

lmao, big deal if the phoenix can shoot behind cover, it has shit DPS (damage per second).

also, lancer can kill max's in one clip, so quit whining

(i do agree that the beamer+starfire need a huge boost, though)

[Katanaboy]

heh the lancer isnt that easy to use. To be even decently accurate with it you have to crouch, wait for your crosshairs to close in, and lead your target, all the while trying to compensate for the two second fire-delay, which needs even more target leading...it is of fair difficulty to hit a moving target, and the damage is lower than the other AV, which means you have to hit more often, which is difficult due to the CoF bloom everytime you move the crosshairs. Instead, the devs gave you a missle you could guide, in the event your initial aim was a bit off, and distance isnt too much of an issue for you, since you can hit things you cant even see. Also, the devs give the TR something even worse...a powerful missle launcher with the ability to lock on everything manned that isn't standard infantry...and dont start about having to keep a lock on everything...how hard is it to keep your crosshairs on something for 5-10 seconds? In the end, the vanu get a laser beam that isnt even that good against vehicles (what it was meant to destroy)

[Hexen]

I dunno what you're on about Katanaboy. I've heard and seen differently.

True, I don't currently play PS (but plan to buy it eventually) and all my opinions are gathered from my beta experience, but my impression is that the Lancer is actually a fairly powerful weapon. Infact when I was a TR newbie I often wondered what that weapon was that kept killing people that the VS were using, I figured it was the VS HA weapon (Lasher), but soon found it was was their goddamn AV!

I haven't actually used the Lancer extensively, but word is that it is one of the better VS weapons.

[Revolver]

Yeah but katanaboy, that thing is ub3r-effective against 'soft' targets and ok against vehicles. If it didn't have the charge-up and expanding crosshairs, it'd be a god weapon.

And the Lasher is getting boosted, along with MCG. people who bitch about it after the boost just like to bitch or hear themselves talk. Oh, and look up RMS on Johari if you think I'm an NC JH whore (wait...I don't have HA!).

[Katanaboy]

yes, but the point is...it isnt supposed to be uber against softees...its antivehicular for crying out loud...and i said nothing about the jackhammer...i was just talking about AV. The point is, the lancer's CoF blooms like the bolt driver when you move it a single pixel to the side, so trying to hit a relatively distant, moving vehicle is somewhat difficult.

[1024]

Do we really need ANOTHER thread about whining? Go post on the OF boards, where the devs look. YOu'll also getting eaten alive there. :scared:

[Katanaboy]

alright guys, i'm sorry for acting immature...I'd never go to the OF, anyway...

[Doppler]

, someone pointed it at me and held down the mouse button. I died pulling my Pulsar out.

Hmmmmm Heavy assault costs 6 Certs Pulsar costs 2, but you complain that you got owned? Heres another thought, if you were running around in a base full tilt without your weapon out you might have deserved to be owned.

Jumpjets are great, try using them to leap walls avoiding the enemy and ge the high ground on them, or to dodge decimator shots, or leap over vehicles, and then tell me it sucks. Face it dude get some skill, stop bitching, the lancer is an awesome weapon I drop my phoenex for em all the time happily.

Yes my primary is a NC but I love my vanu to death and I dont use jackhammer on my primary anyway. In fact with the exception of the gaus and the occasional pistol i use no empire specific weapon (personaly i like TR pistols a lot).

VS is overall well rounded their tank rocks, their AV rocks (you just havnt mastered the complicated act of leading your target) I personaly like their medium assault rifle a lot, their MAX's (with the exception of their AA Max) are pretty good. All in all a well rounded force.

[Gabsux]

Newp, lancer can't kill a max in one clip. The lancer is nice for infantry and slow moving targets, but its about as worthless as a phoenix for hitting fast moving targets. Both the phoenix and the lancer leave the shooter way too venerable to attack, but have their uses. Lancer is a wannable sniper rifle and the phoenix is that I-can-shoot-you-from-a-mile-away-around-the-coner-and-behind-the-wall gun =). They both fall way short of the striker for AV weapons.

[Searo]

I guess the Jackhammer is fine now, I was angry at the crappiness of the Starfire causing me to blow some things out of proportion.

Jumpets turn you into a target while in a fight. Every Phoenix toting grunt withing 1000m will hit you. Every aircraft will spot you and go after you. Not only that, but landing does 20 damage! Why would I use something that hurts me when I touch down? You'll say "Don't use all of it, hover you noob!" But there's such a small capacitator it takes the whole thing to get airborne at all.

My pirmary is NC as well. I only use Gauss, and don't even have HA.

Their tank needs to make a sound when it moves, and touching it shouldn't be instant death. I didn't try the Lancer, but from what I've heard everyone uses it against non-moving infantry rather than moving vehicles. It's an excellent AI Sniper Rifle, but a horrible AV Tank blaster.
The Pulsar is fine, I wrote that in my initial post. I agree with you there. Their Quasar seems OK, but the Comet has a tiny clip from what I've heard. Having tried out the Starfire, it's horrendous.

[Revolver]

Originally posted by Katanaboy
...and i said nothing about the jackhammer...i was just talking about AV. I know. that part wasn't directed to you ;)

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Gabsux
Newp, lancer can't kill a max in one clip.

Yes, it can.

A MAX takes 6 shots to die.
A lancer clip is 6 shots.

[Kikinchikin]

im sorry but i play u guys on konried and u are about equal in my mind, heres my analysis of ur stuff.

MA- pulsar- IMO the best MA weapon. It's uber at all ranges. Very 1337.
HA- Lasher- well IMO this gun is already ver ygood when used in the right hands, and with the new patch it will be incredible...
AV- Lancer- I getpwned with this a lot, i cant use it that well, but its a good wep.
Buggy- Thresher- k it sux, but it will be gettin some luvn.
Tank- magmower- its fun to drive and it pwnz. Biggest hitbox in the world
Maxes- well ur AI one is pretty good. AV is teh suxxorz and AA is IMO decent, when it hits.

Theres my opinions

[Gabsux]

I checked this on my purple roomie 3 days ago while waiting for a cap. 6 shots left him with a sliver. I didn't think the lancer's damage went down over distance, did it?

[Teyb]

wtf? unbalanced? are you on crack? just think of the magrider for ONE second-- all it needs to do is NOTICE you and then about 1.34 seconds later your DEAD. unless its at half health and your carrying a striker which you mangage to get out in that little amount of time before it hits you and you can get one shot off directly into it, then your fucked.

GROUND TROOPS WILL ALWAYS DIE TO A MAGRIDER

quit your bitch fest NOW :vssucks:

[AztecWarrior]

Originally posted by Searo
Jackhammer- Overpowered, someone pointed it at me and held down the mouse button. I died pulling my Pulsar out.

You're supposed to die, you weren't ready! :p

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Gabsux
I checked this on my purple roomie 3 days ago while waiting for a cap. 6 shots left him with a sliver. I didn't think the lancer's damage went down over distance, did it?

It doesn't drop over distance, but I'm pretty sure it's still 6 shots.

[Happy lil Elf]

Tank- magmower- its fun to drive and it pwnz. Biggest hitbox in the world

AAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headexplode:

[Airlift]

Excuse me, can I get some more fucking whining over here? Thanks. :nod: :nod:

[Jarlo]

Just a note for accuracy, the charge up time on lancer is 0.5 secs, not 2 secs.

[Slice]

I myself played TR, but not only did I play Vanu in Beta, I have an alternate vanu chara on johari. I personally find few problems with vanu weapons (except of course the AA max), they just take skill to use. If i remember correctly, back in the beta, thats what vanu was. the vanu were all about skillful players, not your run of the mill n00bs that just point, shoot, and die. (not characterizing anyone here as a n00b) IMO, if the good vanu players came to either TR or NC, depending on preference, they would own even better then they own as vanu. the fact that they play vanu can be attributed to multiple things:
1) Enjoyment at being the underdogs
2) Personal Pride
3) They like Barney (hopefully not this one :D )


I belive the Lasher-Lancer combo owns. Outside, and at long range, kill people with the AV-turned-AI Lancer. Inside, i've seen a spawn room get cleared because one Vanu managed to grab a lasher. After the next patch...lets just say I'm going to be spending more time outside and moving :p

Well, thats my hopefully-more-than-2 cents worth.

[Hexen]

Yeah Slice, that might just be how it is. :)

I think I can consider myself a pretty good player, having predominantly played FPS games for years. I might not be subscribed to or even have PS right now, but back in beta I was mostly allured to the Vanu.

I just think all their armour and weaponry looks positively funky, I like being with the underdogs, and I like having skilled company.

I played TR in beta because some guys I knew from my BF clan were playing there. I didnt really like the look of their infantry armours (even though red & black are my fav colours), but didn't have any gripes about their style of weaponry either. TR as kinda the way you might see a futuristic-looking version of the moder army, and though I doubt it has anything to do with that, TR seems to accomodate "the swarm". Being part of the swarm means you can't expect teamwork, or even expect to have a smart or even sensible squad. Having idiot teammates really really pisses me off and I hate it, to put it lightly. :D

I played DAOC on the Lancelot server as Albion, our realm's population was the largest of the entire game in any server, and it also exceeded the collective population of the two opposing realms. We defined zerg. Infact, we once attacked Hibernia with a basically unplanned raid (come along at this time if you want to attack hibernia). The army had about 350 players all up, infact, on the way to the enemy relic keep we crashed the f*cking zone we were travelling through, my computer was choking at the sheer number of players moving together so closely. When we reached the enemy castle, we found a resistance of about 20 Hibs (as well as the usual guards).

Unfortunately, the army was so unorganised that the zone shout chat was being spammed to all hell, and no tactical approach could be taken on the assault. The army simply dissipated and nothing happened, but I betcha if we all attacked that relic keep, regardless of all the insanely powerful guards, we would have mown it down with sheer force.

... Omg I ranted a bit didn't I. :D

Ok post over.

PS: I bet you TRs and NCs wish you have jumpjets when those Magriders are about to run you down.

[Gabsux]

Originally posted by Arakiel
It doesn't drop over distance, but I'm pretty sure it's still 6 shots.

You are correct. I checked last night. Man, I always thought it was 7. OMG, nerf the lancer!

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Gabsux
You are correct. I checked last night. Man, I always thought it was 7. OMG, nerf the lancer!

Decimators > Lancer for MAX hunting, anyhow :p

Nerf you~

[Sleepwalker]

hey, now. the AA max isn't bad at all.
my alt character (Rubble, Vanu on Emerald) has both the starfire and the quasar MAX and he uses the starfire almost exclusively. if you're at all good with it, it takes only a clip and a few to take out a reaver, and reloading isn't that bad. you just have to take them by surprise, and achieve the weapons lock as late as possible. it's also not too bad against infantry, because while you're reloading they're taking plasma damage. it's not particularly good against infantry, but since it's a MAX it will always be better than most other weapons.

i haven't used the lasher or lancer yet (outside of VR), but i know the lasher is going to rock even more after the patch, and skilled lancer users still manage to get a lot of kills.

it's getting to the point that the only real underpowered VS weapon is the beamer, which manages to suck forever.

what you have to remember about the vanu MAXes is that they aren't designed to be as effectively damaging as the other MAXes, they're designed to be maneuverable. the starfire can get a LOT closer to an aircraft in about 3 seconds with its jumpjets, making for some awesome surprise attacks.

plus, have you EVER seen a reaver hit a jumpjetting MAX with its missles? they simply don't. :D