One month after unsubscribing, looking back over my shoulder to PS

[Breydel]

I quit PlanetSide 1 month ago and have been following the official forums occasionally. It seems to me nothing of any importance has changed yet and I still feel the same about all the topics I brought up back then :

My goodbye note (http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/planetside/Forum8/HTML/002472.html)

I was wondering what the majority of the players that payed for their 1st month after the free month feel about the game now as their accounts will start to expire soon. Are you now cancelling or are you continueing to pay? For people that payed for 3 or 6 months at once, do you regret it?

I find it quite amuzing reading all these goodbye threads on the official PS forums. They still bring up the same issues from a month ago. The topic "exp in groups" might be gone for most of you since you are BR20 but it seems that gameplay has changed exactly nothing. There are now even more goodbye threads stating that the most important factor is the lack of end game content.

As for me, I'm happy I didn't keep my PS account running. The devs made promises a month ago and they are making the same promises today. They will prolly still be making them in 1, 2, 3 months from now. Will anything change? Prolly not. Will the bugs & tech issues (clinet & server) be changed in 3 months? Well judging at the speed they are now fixing bugs - hell no! Sony pumped quite some money in PS devellopment and if the servers are indeed running empty as I seem to get the impression it won't be proffitable for them to cmpletely revamp end game content. I expect by the end of the year there will be 2 or 3 servers left for those with open accounts, a discontinued devellopment since all devs will be on SWG and EQ2. PS expansion? Forget it. Unless they want to gamble some money and with some marketing tricks (X-Mas holiday season) try to sell an pack.


I left DAoC for PS and I am now back with DAoC. I used to be complaining at Mythic's door about their poor support and lack of knowing what the problems in their game are. Well compared to Sony, Mythic has extremely good customer realtions. The latest improvement was a fully free housing patch. And as for customer support, did you know that Mythic is now giving point by point feedback on ALL class TL reports? That is 39 classes in the game. A reports for them can be up to 2-3 pages long and they now reply to them in public saying what can be changed or not. That is IMO what a gaming company for an MMO game has to do. Keep good communication with the players. Sony does exactly jack of that, the "I'll forward it to the programmers" forum clown they hired is not the way it should be.

Wanted to post this at the PS forums but.... lol. I can't post there anymore. One would think if they care for returning players they would at least keep the ability for them to post at the forum asking questions how the game is evolved.

Seems to me: PS = dead horse.

Flame away, agree or disagree as you want.

[VecktorCorpus]

do you work for Mythic?....

[Breydel]

Haha, lol no. But try whatever other MMO game you want, I'm sure customer support can't be any worse than Sony.

FYI I'm not totally hooked on DAoC or so, just playing it now waiting for Half-Life 2 and WoW. After all I did get tired of DAoC and moved to PS a few months ago (totally loved PS in beta you know). As for WoW if Blizzard will release it as finished as all their other games I hope they set a new trend of how MMO games should be released. I'm totally fed up with the "first pay, then fix the game" attitude we get from a lot of them. I'm not paying to beta test!

However, I did get a sweet taste from the MMOFPS genre and I must say I like it more than MMORPG. PS is the first game in the genre, the release just went wrong with all the tech issues, bugs and boring end game. I blame both that and bad communication towards the players as the main reason the servers are running empty. Also there is not really a reason for PS to be on a persistent "$13/month" world. I don't mind to pay $13/month at all if I find it worth it. There is IMO little to nothing persistant about the 10 PS islands. I care jack about who locks what continent since it gives no rewards at all and the next day they are owned by other empires anyway.

[Peacemaker]

You aparently have not looked into the fixes and such as much. many bugs have been fixed but just like any other game a fix here can make a problem here. Its all an endless chain. You say PS lacks content. PS has an equal number of guns and vehicals as anyother game out there. The diffrence is that they continue to give us more things to play with. (2 months into release 2 new things to play with) I think your over dramatizing the fact that the devs are taking it slow, you forget they just spent 3 years making a game for you with little or no sleep! Give the guys a break! The fact that when the game launched there were still many bugs brings me back to my opinoin that the launch should have been delayed sometime. It was evidant in beta that there were many bugs still needing to be fixed. PS is a master piece that is still not yet finished and will not be for sometime. For the people who play with the game with the patchess the game jsut gets better and better.

[Zentenk VA]

I barely see a difference. I've played DAOC for about 10 months from the release date and quit. They had some serious balance issues, broken promises... sure some are missing from PS (been goin for like 3 months so far) but few compared to DAOC. I myself don't really care, I want to get in and kill people, I wanted to do that in DAOC but it was too slow to do.. wait 15 minutes on a pad zone, get zerged or whatnot zone back if no rezzers.. blah blah. It got boring till Mordred came out but still there were some problems... no one wanted to 1 on 1 my Warden. Do they have housing there yet? I havn't checked.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by Breydel
Blah blah blah...There are now even more goodbye threads stating that the most important factor is the lack of end game content...blah blah blah

I agree with you there, no end game content. Let's think about that. THERE IS NO END TO THE GAME! If you mean reaching BR20 and CR5 as the end of the game, then your wrong, plenty of content. When you reach BR20 you can now experiment with a lot of certs, changing them every 24 hours so you can have experience in everything. Join an outfit, there's a Deliverer race coming up shortly, fun things like this happen every once and a while. If you are bored with a BR20, CR5 character, then start a new one on another empire. What is it that Hamma said,
"It's a FPS, you shoot stuff, you blow stuff up. How much more "Content" do you need?" If you don't like PS, good for you. You don't have to remind us that you quit or why, but then again it's a free country, and Hamma's the boss. Anyway,

see'ya :D Hope you find a better game:)

[Hertston]

Each to their own.

Personally I found DoAC to be the gaming equivalent of sitting watching paint dry, but there ya go ... :eek:

[Cease]

I guess its all a matter of personal opinion. I'm an old DAoC player. I left the game because I had played it since release and was just burnt out on it.

But I've always thought Mythic did a great job supporting their players. From my gaming experience(AO, UO, EQ, AC), no other developer does a better job than Mythic.

But initially Mythic struggled much like SOE seems to be doing with PS. Shortly after DAoC was released patches came pretty slow. Early patches did more damage than good much like PS patches seem to do. Mythic needed more people for the job that was required. They needed better programmers. They eventually got them. Then DAoC really improved and progressed from there.

Seems to me the Dev team needs a bigger staff. Its hard for a small staff to fix bugs AND develop new content. They could probably use a a 3D engine guru or two as well. The PS engine definately needs some performance tweaking.

I enjoy Planetside. Its a fun game. Right now Im not so much interested in new vehicles/certs as I am bug fixes and adding some more incentives to the game. Stuff like making base defense actually rewarding. Continent locks more signifigant than a pretty color on your map. They need to flesh out the goals and incentives 1st. Additional vehicles and certs can come later.

Also, as was said, PS is a FPS, so it will never come close to matching content compared to an RPG like DAoC or EQ.

[1024]

If i could change one thing about this game to make it better: The devs actually going through with their prmoises in a timely manner. For example, and i've said this before, platoons. They promised platoons before the game even came out. Still no platoons. They added two new vehicles, but no platoons. Some things obviously must not be high on their prioirty list. Even the things that do seem to be high on their list aren't getting fixed very fast. The devs seem to be taking their sweet time fixing things.

[starrider]

Originally posted by Lonehunter187
I"It's a FPS, you shoot stuff, you blow stuff up. How much more "Content" do you need?"


i belive it has been said in many posts that the content people refer to would be mainly a reason for fighting, and showing that auraxis wasnt always justa big place with bases towers and bridges spread about it.

well thats why i barely play anymore at least, i mean so what i can shot people who dress up different from me. who cares??? get a m4 and shot people who pass by inm your neihborhood. only difference is that u'll go to jail and they most likely cant shot back.

[Milenko]

Dude if you quit Planetside then why you even bothering comming to the forums? Obviously you didn't like the game for whatever reasons, but you still come back because? You must still want to play or something, why would you even care if people are quiting or staying? Because you didn't like how there running things you come here and try and pull people into what you think is going on? There running a business I'm sure there going at a fine pace, and making needed changes when they can. They can't just address every single problem and fix it, while still making new content for the game.
You find it amusing reading all the good bye threads on the official forums?? I didn't know people could be such losers and go back and look at forums of a game they don't play anymore.
Also why would they want someone who quit a game to be posting on there forums? All your doing is bad talking the game...thats not good business for them now is it? They have there main site right up there to show any updates going on I don't think you need to ask any questions about "how the game has envolved"
BTW, you said Flame away

-=The Great Milenko=-

[Sentrosi]

no more flames. This guy makes good points about the game that we all know about. He was just wondering if anyone else has seen improvement or excitement in this game in the month or so he's been gone. I would be interested as well. Being a beta tester myself I hate to see what PS is now. The bridge battles on Cyssor were a weekly occurance, now if they happen in a month it is a miracle.

[SumYungGui]

Massively Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter.

lots and lots of people online, all shooting at each other. what more do you honestly want?

how much 'content' does your average counter strike server have?

[ONiel]

Starrider,

In your sig, you have "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left - Unknown". The originator of that saying is Bertrand Russel

[Tubblers]

I think what Milenko said is true. Why give a Sssshhhhpirit of teh Wolf scroll about a game you don't play anymore. I hate EQ. And most other MMORPG's because all people do I yak on and on about about elves women and how they'd like to roll her d69. Oh man, I don't understand how you people can do that. If this site didn't check every thread, I would be alot worse. PS has so much action. It's intense. Of all the 10 times I've played EQ and DAoC where so stoopid. People just sat there and traded and talked about spider silk and traded. This is why friendly fire and PvP was invented. The only good online RPG was Diablo. Arcanum is the best RPG ever in my book, and RPGs are meant for story, not for working on haggling skills and real estate. What's the friggin point of having your own house in DAoC anyway? You walk through it a few times, put some items in a chest and leave. That really gets me hard. I just love paying taxes to some tron-tarded computer Count Chocula. PS has no money, no trading (except weapons) and no houses. I play PS with my Quadro 2 256mb RAM and I'm not leaving, even if I punch my computer in a fit of rage when it freezes because it sucks. All I know is that nobody gonna try to sell me spider silk elven panties (so naughty). It;s true that the game needs some new stuff, but who cares. I haven't really noticed any real empty servers. Every go onto Emerald and go to Amerish. Constant war. I don't go there anymore because I lag so badly, but I'm not gonna put my characters suicide note and a PS forum hoping that maybe an programmers heart will grow 4 sizes to large, and he'll change it just because I died once even though when I made my inititiative check and I won it, he still got me because of that dang dernded lag. So stop complaing, and go become and apprentice to a 50th level real estate agent, and build a friggin house Bob. Can we do it? NO! Because it's so amazingly retarded. :trrocks::spam::ncrocks: :spam: :vsrocks:

[sommy911]

I agree with everything you said. I quit playing around June 20th or so when my free subscription ended. The reason I quit wasn't so much the bugs but it was the gameplay. Capture a base, hack the console, wait for hack to go through, then move on. It just gets boring. The only reason I came back to the forums was to see what was going on in the game. It doesn't look good. A lot of people have the same feelings that I have. A great concept and a great design but one huge gameplay flaw. Oh well, time to move on.

[Bismarck]

You hang on to a game for one month then give up???? No wonder you didn't like it! Well the bugs are getting fixed monday (crosses fingers) and they're updating 2 guns and 1 vehicle. Then we have platoons, loadstar and a whole buncha other crap. As for your gameplay flaw. It is FAR more complex than any other FPS, ever. In every single FPS you have one, and only one goal, kill. How is base capture different from killing??? Plus you can kill AND capture in PS.

Your complete and total lack of intelligence and through-thinking is amazing to me.

[teratravp]

I agree with you breydel, in fact I was only in beta and have never played retail because I saw the problems in beta and wasn't about to subscribe to a game that was still technically and even sadder... gameplaywise not finished. It's mostly hardcore people here so you won't see that much agreement but check any place that's not a PS fansite and this game has already gone in and out of the lives of most people who bought it.

The only reason I stick around is cause what this game had in greater quantities then anything else was potential... but now being realistic the timeline for them to really take the game where most people would want it at launch is a few years, and so their subscriber base is going to keep falling off because who wants to stick around and do nothing, not to mention pay for it, while a game is still in development. I was hoping they'd get the right idea over these last 6 months through beta and launch and really move affirmatively toward the more complex and rewarding not to mention lasting game people are looking for... but let's be honest all they've done since launch is add two vehicles. are any of the other changes anything more then patch note filler really? the core game hasn't even been scratched and that's why I say it would be years at this point if ever the game becomes the game most people would want to play.

[Bismarck]

You expect a complete re-vamp of a game 2 months after release?

[Tubblers]

What the hell is wrong with all these whiners!? I thought the jackhammer nerfing thing was bad but shit! Where the hell do you get off at mocking a game that is a friggin pioneer in it's field? If the other game companies see these forums they'll say "Oh fudge doodles! Stop the presses guys. Look at what this good-hearted douche bag sent us. It says that PS is bad and nobody likes it. Well, guess that's that for MMOFPS games.". It's depressing to see all these people who give up after a month. Why? Are you giving excuses to not pay for an "undeveloped" game but the real reason is because you went broke after that night at the gay bar? PS is a great step forward in the gaming industry, and all these toad-fuckers can say is that they didn't add platoons? Ok Tom Clancy, go jack off to Rainbow 6.

[Arthell]

Whenever a new MMOG comes out that has alot of hype people try it. Alot of the people who try it dont like it after the free month, find it boring after a couple, etc. Some of those people will start whining and crying about it (majority of the 'goodbye' posts) then start ranting that its a dieing game just because they dont like it.

Personally, i beleive PS is a great game that will appeal to alot of the right type of people, but wont to alot of others, such as the people making posts about why they have to pay-to-play, etc.

[Hexen]

PlanetSide:

Get Squad. Attack base. Wait for Hack. Move On. Repeat until bored.

EverQuest:

Get Group. Kill Mob. Wait. Repeat until maximum level or bored.

DAOC:

Get Group. Kill Mob. Wait. Repat until maximum level.
Then Get Army. Kill Players or Attack Keeps. Repeat until bored.

See a pattern forming here?

All of these kinds of games are repetitive, especially EverQuest. Community keeps them alive. Personally, I know that the only reason anyone would still be playing EverQuest is due to addiction, the game really has nothing to keep it going if you think about it. DAOC is similar to EQ, but has the extra RvR aspect to it give it a slightly longer shelf-life.

PS is different in design, but still basically the same. In the end, the only reasons people will continue to play are the same reasons as any other game: Addiction and Community.

I left EverQuest when I realised how dull it was, because I could never find a nice guild. I stayed in DAOC a much longer time because there were loads of friendly people, but as the high-level community got overrun with all the newbies who caught up, it got crowded and dull, so I left. I played UO for a damn long time too, if only due to the fact that I was Clanmaster of a great clan for a

And probably the best example I have. Battlefield 1942. I would have stopped playing this a year ago, the only thing that keeps me playing is my clan. Coz my clan rocks. :)

Nuff said

[Milenko]

Actually Hexen thats true sorta, I use to play EQ alot I made it to lvl 52 then the game started to get boring thats when I quit, I wasn't addictted. When I did quit though I just thought everyone esle was addicted and blah blah.

But yea I know the game really does nothin for me, but its fun wait...so maybe it does do something for me... Anyways its a fun game for me still and won't quit till I get bored. Maybe instead of hacking a base and sitting there (which is boring, don't know why people do it just for exp) Go on to another base and whoop some ass before the noob zerg gets there. Only time planetside bores me is when I can't get a squad or anything or theres no big fights, which is usually happening if you play at all in the mourning.

[Airlift]

My opinion is that Breydel made this masturbatory thread so he could justify his departure to himself. Aside from that, I fail to see the value in it. We didn't care that you quit in the first place, but I have to tell you that the lack of your monthly fee does not make PS a dead horse. Nor do all the amuzing [sic] goodbye threads from other people who found that this wasn't the game for them. Try being a little less self-important.

[Crono]

Originally posted by Airlift
My opinion is that Breydel made this masturbatory thread so he could justify his departure to himself. Aside from that, I fail to see the value in it. We didn't care that you quit in the first place, but I have to tell you that the lack of your monthly fee does not make PS a dead horse. Nor do all the amuzing [sic] goodbye threads from other people who found that this wasn't the game for them. Try being a little less self-important.

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[Lonehunter]

To all you people who quit the game becouse of no "content"

Log back on to PS on send me a tell, I am Cifer. I am a Captain in my outfit and I will invite you. If I'm not on-line than try Homie or LTRazakLT. We are highly organized and very fun. We are just now starting new divisions for the Generals to lead. Mobile Infantry, Aviation, Infiltrators, Support, and Tank (Which I might be the General for) Mobile Infantry is a division of special and heavy assault soldiers with deliverer transport. Infiltrators are wraith required and are used to get behind the enemies lines. The Tank division is full of Prowler and Lightning drivers, preferably with Repair. Aviation is the same thing but with reavers and mosquitoes. Support is a little more technical. This division will be required to commence in ANT runs, troop transport via Gal, tower hopping, and use of the Lodestar when it is added. We stop recruiting in the beginning of August. We also believe that typing is OUT! We encourage all outfit members to get a mic, but it is not required. I'M TRYING TO SAVE YOU "QUITERS"! Just give it a shot.

[Revolver]

You people complain that SOE is being lazy, yet when they do patch, the list of things is usually huge. And each of those things took alot of work to implement. I wouldn't be surprised if the devs have alot of work waiting for them each day they show up.

[Breydel]

Wow, lots of replies. Lemme go through em. :)

You say PS lacks content. PS has an equal number of guns and vehicals as anyother game out there.

On the FPS side, PlanetSide isn't lacking. You are right, there are enough weapons and vehicles in the game. On the MMO side however, it is lagging BIG time. There is nothing persistant in PlanetSide at the moment. It's just a shooter where you can play with more people than usual.


I think your over dramatizing the fact that the devs are taking it slow, you forget they just spent 3 years making a game for you with little or no sleep! Give the guys a break!

I'm paying $13/month for a product, why should I care how much sleep the devs had? Suppose you buy a brand new car, the suspension is broken. Would you want to hear the car salesman come up with excuses about how the mechanics had to work so hard that they made an error on the car? I don't think so. You bought a car, you want it to be fully functional. You care jack about who made the car, what you care about is the end product you bought, that nice car.


The fact that when the game launched there were still many bugs brings me back to my opinoin that the launch should have been delayed sometime. It was evidant in beta that there were many bugs still needing to be fixed.

Agreed.


I want to get in and kill people, I wanted to do that in DAOC but it was too slow to do.. wait 15 minutes on a pad zone, get zerged or whatnot zone back if no rezzers.. blah blah. It got boring till Mordred came out but still there were some problems... no one wanted to 1 on 1 my Warden. Do they have housing there yet? I havn't checked.

Housing is already out yes. :) DAoC and PS are 2 very different games and of course a shooter is much more fast paced than an RPG, some people like the one, others the other, I happen to like both genres. What they do have in common though is the MMO part, and there is DAoC miles ahead on PlanetSide. As I said above PS is just fine on the FPS side, they just need to add a LOT more for the MMO side to justify the $13/month. What do you have now extra over a classic shooter? You can fight with a couple more people. But not much more because either it starts getting laggy or else the continent is locked. They advertize PS as "...wage war with thousands of other players...." it's pure BS because at a few hundred players the continent is capped already.


But initially Mythic struggled much like SOE seems to be doing with PS. Shortly after DAoC was released patches came pretty slow. Early patches did more damage than good much like PS patches seem to do. Mythic needed more people for the job that was required. They needed better programmers. They eventually got them. Then DAoC really improved and progressed from there.

Very nice reply Cease. I also get the feeling PS is understaffed and they can't keep up fixing bugs. I was playing DAoC from patch 1.36 on somewhere in November 2001 and IMO it wasn't as bad as PS is now. Sure there were class imbalances and what not but the very basic thing - being able to log on and play - is something that is missing a lot more in PS than it was back then in DAoC. Also don't forget that SoE is already a huge company, Mythic Entertainment started really small. One would think you can expect from a big budget company a lot more professionalism than from a small starting company.

I am glad I cancelled my account since I felt paying for the state of PS wasn't worth the money, and it also lacked a lot of end game content since capping bases over and over and over again starts to get boring fast. Yes I have tried other empires on other servers as well, but in the end they play just the same as well. Just some different equipment. I wish empires were a LOT more diversified from each other. Imagine Starcraft at this scale, one Terran race, one Protoss, heck add even the Zerg. Now THAT would be a game with 3 different races instead of copying over 90% from the first empire and twink a little here and there. Am I asking too much? For the pioneer MMOFPS perhaps, but in future I do hope games like this would see the daylight. Can you imagine Starcraft or Age of Empires in a MMOFPS setting? It would be superb!

Dude if you quit Planetside then why you even bothering comming to the forums? Obviously you didn't like the game for whatever reasons, but you still come back because? You must still want to play or something, why would you even care if people are quiting or staying?

Well there are a few reasons. As I said I think PlanetSide is still way too buggy to play, too laggy, the servers have too many problems and then there is the lack of real purpose to fight on a persistant world. But like so many others have said, PlanetSide has huge potential, only that potential isn't in game yet. So that's why I occasionally check back to see how the game has evolved. I did get a very nice taste of the MMOFPS genre but I think PS as it stands today is just a poor implementation. Again, on the FPS side, no complaining. But on the MMO side, barely any content.
Then another reason is that I'm skilling up an armorcrafter & tailor in DAoC now so I do have a lot of time to hang out on forums. :)

They have there main site right up there to show any updates going on I don't think you need to ask any questions about "how the game has envolved"

If I have to judge on the PS main mage about the content that's added to the game in the last month then I would say the dev team is a 2 man team that does PlanetSide as a part time job.



Massively Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter. lots and lots of people online, all shooting at each other. what more do you honestly want? how much 'content' does your average counter strike server have?

This is the standard reply I have seen from a lot of people. You are the type of player that never played an MMORPG, only shooters. Yes, if you are coming from Doom via Quake, Unreal and Half-Life to PlanetSide then I can imagine it looks very nice in the beginning. But you really should check out an MMORPG game to see what exactly the MMO part means. Compare DAoC (MMORPG) with Baldur's gate (RPG) for example. Then compare PlanetSide (MMOFPS) with Half-Life (FPS). Then you will understand what I mean when I say the end game lacks content.


PS has so much action. It's intense. Of all the 10 times I've played EQ and DAoC where so stoopid.

Well remember that I also got burned out with DAoC and I totally completely loved PS the first week in beta. Why? Well you hit the nail on the head, the intense continuing action. I really needed a break from DAoC back then. But after a few weeks I started to realize I liked PS just because it has FPS elements in it. After I got tired of PS I didn't go straight back to DAoC yet, played SoF 2 for a while as well (note that this was even while my free PS month was running and I barely played the game anymore). If you are totally into action, an RPG isn't your type (or perhaps a hack & slash game like Diablo II is but I don't consider that an RPG - it's way too limited).

I am not saying DAoC is tons better than PlanetSide, the game have nothing in common apart from the fact that they are both MMO games. They are just 2 different games. I just happen to enjoy a lot of different genres, mainly FPS, RPG and RTS. If you are a die hard FPS fan then please don't even try DAOC since it will be a disappointment.

Just a FYI - the games I'm looking forward to now are Half Life 2 (FPS), DAoC expansion pack (MMORPG), World of Warcraft (MMORPG) and the "bargain price edition" of Warcraft 3 bundled with Frozen Throne expansion (RTS). Just shows how much I bunny hop from one game genre to another. :)

[Happy lil Elf]

no more flames. This guy makes good points about the game that we all know about.

I'm calling bullshit on that one. He didn't make one point about the game. All he did was complain about the customer service, that apparently promises were broken (and then failed to give any examples), praise Mythic for their service (which I'm still laughing about), and make a guess about where PS will be in a year. How exactly is that making points about the game we all know about?

[SumYungGui]

This is the standard reply I have seen from a lot of people. You are the type of player that never played an MMORPG, only shooters. Yes, if you are coming from Doom via Quake, Unreal and Half-Life to PlanetSide then I can imagine it looks very nice in the beginning. But you really should check out an MMORPG game to see what exactly the MMO part means. Compare DAoC (MMORPG) with Baldur's gate (RPG) for example. Then compare PlanetSide (MMOFPS) with Half-Life (FPS). Then you will understand what I mean when I say the end game lacks content.

gross generalizations much?

UO, if it weren't for Publish 16 I'd say meet me on Atlantic. Richard Cypher [Shadow Tamers of Sosaria], GM Tamer/Vet/Mage. I even manage to get a house at the god awful prices they charged. only took them HOW LONG to figure out something like malas to fix the problem? quit that game when they released power scrolls. game was already hurting from power hour, catering to the munchkins and power gamers with greater than 100% in a skill was just stupid.

DAoC, Seredith Ironheart, Morgan le Fay, Hibernia. 42 Shield hero. there's always another imbecilic spear hero around the next corner, it's the smart heros that play shield/weapon heros and actually spec shields for MOB hunting. got tired of the non-stop level grind.

Baldur's Gate, ya know I never actually did beat that game. can't imagine why. regardless I still know alot about that game. I have my hard back AD&D Player's Handbook on the shelf next to me. 3rd edition has some good points, but all in all I still find D&D in general lacking. I'll stick with Shadowrun, much better back story and atmosphere.

now answer my question. how much 'end game content' does your average counter strike server have? if that's the kind of gameplay you're looking for, keep moving. because this is an MMOFPS, not an MMORPG, or even an RPG.

[Kaikou]

***DISCLAIMER***
The things said in this post are of my OWN opinion, not yours, therefore you cannot justly flame me, k thx read on.
***DISCLAIMER***

This guy DOES make a lot of good points, and it's admirable that he keeps it positive with all the flames being thrown at him.

I myself haven't played planetside for about a week and a half and I don't miss it one little bit. It will probably be in my recycling bin within this week. Planetside lacks that certain kick that all other MMO games have. I suppose the fact that the one objective of the game is to capture bases, just to have them taken back from you a little while later combined with the imbalances, selective weapon use (take NC for example, jackhammers and phoenix seem to be the only weapons they ever use) and all around lack of intelligence of people in the game makes for a bad game.

I see people leaving planetside daily. It's a great game at first but after about a week of playing it, you've probably experienced most of what the game has to offer. I was excited for PS because it was an MMO game. Me being a long time player of MMORPGs I thought it was going to provide just as much excitement with the new FPS part. I guess I was wrong.

Planetside just doesn't appeal to me anymore, short and simple. I guess I'm just more of a fan to games that have variety rather than FPS aspects. Don't flame me on that please, because if you compare the variety in planetside with the variety in any MMORPG out there, the MMORPGs make PS look as variable as pong.

Lately I've had a craving to go resubscribe to asherons call 1 but since my character is gone by now and I don't feel like starting a new one...I might look into SWG :D

[Hamma]

PS wasnt meant to be an MMORPG, thats what allot of people forget. Its meant to be death and destruction on an epic scale. ANd that's what it is

[Tubblers]

Why is it that gay anime loving fan tards always complain about content lacking. For fucks sake go give Goku a hand job. And where the hell did all these bone smuggling meat cigars get the idea that PS is a MMORPG. Everyones character in every online game has as little story as a fucking menu. If you want a good RPG, play a single player one. I had a half-ogre in Arcanum have sex with a sheep because the brothel owner tricked my retarded ass 5 intelligence point brain. Now, if you can tell me of elven ranger getting raped by a bear in EQ, then my god that's a game, and your character now has a back story (unless you promptly delete them in shame). So, stop whining about "end game content". And how the hell did you pass pre-school without being able to comprehend that a PERSISTENT world has no END game content. Put two and two together and you get a fucking cookie. In about one year, I'm taking a gander at the notion that PS will have a lot of new content. So, if you decide to come back, I hope you get jackhammered. Hazaa bitch.

[Sentrosi]

:banplz:
Since when did being a fan of anime equate to being stupid????

[Hexen]

I feel sorry for the other Vanu on Emerald, after reading that. :P

[Happy lil Elf]

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Saying that it's your opinion does not mean people can not flame you, nor should it, k, thx, la~

That said I'm going to have to disagree with you on a couple of things.

I suppose the fact that the one objective of the game is to capture bases, just to have them taken back from you a little while later combined with the imbalances, selective weapon use (take NC for example, jackhammers and phoenix seem to be the only weapons they ever use) and all around lack of intelligence of people in the game makes for a bad game.

As opposed to the objective being get a flag back to your base only to play the same maps over and over? Not saying CTF is bad, but really it isn't exactly all that innovative in and of itself either. Don't get me wrong I love CTF or objective based games, for awhile anyways. After you've gotten the enemy plans (coughflagcough) a couple hundred times, that wears a tad thin as well however.

The NC don't only use the Jackhammer and Phoenix. Do all TR use pounders and srikers? No? Didn't think so. It works both ways ;)

The all around lack of inelligence...It's a FPS. Remember the pubs for Tribes? Or Tribes 2? Or UT/UT2k3? They all had one thing in common, idiots. There will always be idiots in FPS, they're drawn to them like moths to a flame. The thing about that was you could find a good passworded server and avoid the idiots. Obviously you can't do that in PS but I don't know anyone who would want to run a PS server...

I guess I'm just more of a fan to games that have variety rather than FPS aspects. Don't flame me on that please, because if you compare the variety in planetside with the variety in any MMORPG out there, the MMORPGs make PS look as variable as pong.


No offense but maybe this will help. I want you to say this out loud over and over: "Planetside is not a MMORPG. I will not compare it to MMORPGs, because that would be like comparing Final Fantasy 2(4) to Doom and griping that Doom doesn't have an immersive enough story, spiffy airships, or enough character development. They are two completely separate types of games and I will treat them as such". Now then, once you can recite that in your sleep, and do recite it in your sleep to the dismay of anyone trying to sleep near you, you will understand what Hamma has been saying for months.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by Hexen
I feel sorry for the other Vanu on Emerald, after reading that. :P

Why, last night on Amerish they pushed my squad back two bases (Then afterwords we flanked em and got three of their bases). After the patch, the Lasher rapes everyone. You Vanu might not notice this but, tryig to take the Vanu in large numbers, when over half of them have the Lasher is impossible now. The patch gave it a higher ROF and made the projectiles spread out more. It feels wierd getting bitchslapped around by the Vanu :ugh: I'm kinda happy for them though, they are finally worth fighting against :D

[WickedDeus]

Well, I for one am glad that I played beta because otherwise I would have pay for the game. I felt that the game just didn't have enough things to do....taking over bases gets old. Need new content...maybe if you took over all the bases or 2/3 you can go kill them in the sact or something. Maybe if they has unmapped areas where you could go explore and fight over alien technology for your side. Dunno....PS just wasn't worth the monthly fee to me.

[Swad]

I'm still at a loss of all the people who compare PS to ANY other MMORPG. Apples <---> Oranges. Sorry, I feel no loss when I see a post about "I'm canceled and am going back to DAOC" or "EQ is SOOO much better." Some people totally fail to realize that this is a FPS, not an RPG. You can't even try to compare them on the same level like people try to. It's not at all fair to the game and the genre. The similarities between <insert RPG here> and PS stop at MMO. I may come across as rash and rude here, but I don't feel any loss when I see someone post that they're going back to some MMORPG. The first question that enters my mind when I see this is "Why the hell did you even play PS then? What were you expecting out of it?!?!"

Seriously, folks, why compare apples and oranges and then find yourself so sorely disappointed. Nothing against MMORPGs, but if you're mostly an MMORPG gaming type and comparing and complaing about PS compared to an MMORPG, you're in the wrong.

[Navaron]

I think what people are comparing is what you get for your money. SOE says PS is as valuable as SWG or EQ or DAOC, as they all cost the same. Regardless of the fact that they are different types of games, people expect new shit to do, and new shit to do it with since they are paying the same amount of money. It is a just comparison.

[Happy lil Elf]

I think what people are comparing is what you get for your money.

And that's fine. But you still can't compare what you get out of an RPG to what you get out of a FPS. You get more content with RPGs, that's just the way it works.

[WickedDeus]

And thats why I didn't buy PS after beta. If the price was much lower then that would be a different story.

[Navaron]

Originally posted by Happy lil' Elf
And that's fine. But you still can't compare what you get out of an RPG to what you get out of a FPS. You get more content with RPGs, that's just the way it works.

The difference is the game types, not what you should get for your money. We were promised exclusive content, which other than 2 vehicles that aren't really that special, we haven't seen anything.