Reason why CR5 / TR on Emerald (long)

[GammA]

Today im going to offer a personal explaination on why i believe CR5's on Emerald / TR were *not* taking an initiative in commanding / doing globals for organization for the empire. This should really be on the emerald specific forum but alot of people who dont check that board or even not on emerald are curious, so i intend to address this issue here.

I have been CR5 since the end of the 3rd week of the game release. I was the 4th one on TR emerald to reach that rank and i am also outfit leader of the 7th Legion. I never rely on other people other than my outfit when a specific target / objective has to be met, simply because most of the TR on emerald (not all) are not worth my time. Am I all that great? no i am not, im simply trying to get people to play the game like its suppose to be played; organized, well coordinated, and people working as a team. I run my outfit pretty strictly, we have outfit training everynight at 8:30pm and all our members are required to use Teamspeak, and all platoon leaders present are required to file a report after each nights training.

We don't run a friendly community on emeral to say the least. There are a number of reasons:

#1 uncooperative people. everytime some cr5 does a global asking help on a specific location, there are people who say: " STFU we dont care", or "OMG you idiots are over there when you should be *insert here*. Or even "YOUR ABUSING GLOBAL!"

answer: after getting acouple of those from simply just using 1 or 2 after the first 2 days of getting CR5 and actually trying to get people to work together, i didnt give a hell on what the idiots wanted to do. ANd i realized that if i wanted to do something i had to do it myself, and my outfit were the people i could rely on and had direct control over. and everyone worked together.

#2 envious lower ranked commanders. Some times you get some cr4 soon to be 5 commanders who act like they are the shit and know everything. so they have an attitude like they dont have to follow anyone since they will get high rank soon. And because of that they dont want to help you, and they want to continue XP whoring on amerish so they can get their last couple of bubbles. THey dont care if you organized or not, they just want 10 slots filled so they can get full XP when base hack goes through. * i personally have not had this problem * but several people on command chat other cr5 get that alot and been telling us about it.

answer: gj if you can get to cr5 soon, you've worked hard. BUt its pathetic and useless if you cant cooperate and you get CR5, wtf is the point? Inorder to lead you have to be able to follow first.

#3 XP whores. they dont care where needs help, they dont care if we are loosing our own continents, and they dont care if we have only one base left. the only thing they care about is sitting in the shitty SOI of a base when the hack goes through so they can get the next battle rank. They do that until they get to their BR, and then they get bored leave, come on the forum complain on how the game sux and is repetitive and is no point in playing.

answer: yes good bye we dont want you here. you havent even played the game like its suppose to be played and you waisted your money. If i played the game just to get more kills than anyone else or brag how i fragged more people and i would rather go play UT (i have for 2 years). and more whats importantly, especially when people are trying to actually do their job on the continent and there is a population lock because idiots like these jam up the place and sit in a ALREADY secured base waiting for hack to go through instead of assisting another base which is about to fall.

#4 DEVs inability to implement teamwork features. THey were suppose to have alliance chat features, in game voice features, platoon combination squads, and yet i see no features implemented on how to improve teamwork, but rather bullshit nonsense on "hey guys lets add CTF!, yay!" or wait "lets change the script alittle so that bases wont be able to be hacked this way and itll seem like we did alot! yea nice marketing strategy!".

answer: out of our power to control. we can complain and flame them but they still do what they think will get them money and not care on the game play's value for people who want to work as a team. for that, alot of people arent keeping the game beyond their game cards, i for one am in doubt.

#5 (everyones favorite) moronic n00bs that just get CR5 and like to annoy people. I have 4 CR5s in my outfit, and YES i have one of them in my outfit, and i've seen another 1-2 or them that do it just for fun sake. you just gotta break some damn sense into them

answer: YES i know you just got cr5 and you want to use acouple of globals, everyone likes to play with their new toy. BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. if you do a global that prevents other people from concentrating/ playing especially if you say something thats off topic, your going to expect flames and you deserve to be. When i am on i tell everyone on /c to keep their mouths shut unless its strictly important and related to something that needs to be accomplished. But im not going to babysit/ teach all the CR5s how to use their globals.

Conclusion: as you can see here, i have personally not tried to organize TR using globals or continent alls very often. I do however coordinate offensives by contacting other outfit leaders, other officers of squadrons using via /tells or ventrillo/teamspeak in organizing assaults. Yes its sad that this game meant to be played as a team game does not have the features built to be treated that way. The most blame can be put on the DEVs/SOE for their incompetence, but also for the individual players inability to use self-judgement on cooperating.

Lately i have been organizing more and more outfits and people who want to do coordinated attacks and organization. but its sorta behind the scenes to most people since its not at all related to using global chat or CR5 abilitys. The only reason i have CR5 now is because i get to have that cool looking backpack that doesnt do anything.

WEll those are my reasons in not taking an initiative in attempting to use my *powers* to organize TR, and if you want want to do some massive scaled offensives during the night or coordinate send tell to me.

/t GammArkantis

[Navaron]

Gamma I've played with you before, and I was impressed with a time where you personally brought down and ANT and AMS to a base that just 2 of us held, while you directed the other members of TR to a more important contested base. It's that kind of personal initiative that more CR5's should take.

[GammA]

srry for the double post, but just to provide an example of some one retarded, and to keep the post on top so hamma/ some other people who are in need to know before it gets piled on.

Me and my group were doing a base defense maneuver on verica on amerish. we were pretty sucessful for mos tof the night, but there were some moments where i some people were pissy. That night verica was the only base on amerish we had, the 7th Legion training mission was to capture and hold the base for as long as we can before getting zerged over, frankly we held it for an hour and a half before caving into the vanu zerg swarm, but thats besides the point. there was one instance where the base went down to 10% on our side and was about to go neutral, and we needed that base to keep running inorder to hold up defenses. Apparantly there were some other squads running arround, and when i had one of my guys bring in an ANT, some guy sent a local to my saying "WTF you refill the base for! damnit we should just let it go neutral and recap it for XP". first of all, it was the only base we had on the continent, secondly we only had about 4 squads there all surrounded by VANU towers from all directions, and thirdly we had trouble even holding the tower against 150 vanu guys with lashers. Its just an example on the extent point #3 goes in regards to some people. LAME XP system...

but anyways bump...

[Skullhead]

Hey gamma if you ever need help with any of your outfits training sessions in fighting/avoiding a VS in a thresher who would run ppl down just let me know. I'm on Emerald and I am impressed by TR's ability to kick our butts on emerald most of the time before the patch and after the patch (well before everyone decides to go to amerish and kill TR in a zerg like fasion).

Skullhead
BR13 Special Assult/ Med assult/ reinforced/ Thresher/ Starfire AA/ Engineer.

[GammA]

dont be scared when you get a /tell from me :D

[Skullhead]

I won't, I've run over 100 NC players in 2 days with my thresher. I held 2 towers hostage (or rather pissed a bunch of NC off who were trying to escape :D )

I've had an idiot reaver pilot try to ram me and died.
I've run from 2 vanguards and lived.
I've runned from a skeeter and lived
I've runned from a bunch of people and turn around and run them over then repaired and runned some more people over.
I've runned over 30 max's (most of them NC)
I've runned over 50 or more friendly units 10 intentional and 40 unintentional (people just love to run in front of me)

I won't be too scared :)

[GammA]

youve not seen the 7th Legion's Armor collumn have you? :). mwuahahahahaha :p

[Skullhead]

I've seen a few armored colums, I've been in a few myself.
(1st Panzer division on Johrai. The dumbasses left for swg I've only been in 1 TR tank column. 4 Vanguard coloums 2 magrider colums.) Vanguards are the best tanks to have a colums with if you have intelligent gunners and good drivers.

After my outfit gets forme 172nd =Mad hatters= would your outfit be willing to participate in friday knife fights? Just bring an AMS and a bunch of knifes.

[Kikinchikin]

IE ME IN A PROWLR!!!!!!!!! MWAH AH HA

[Incompetent]

Hmm, interesting to say the least, gives me a new perspective, i too think Hamma is a little overly ah... ambitious with his goals once he hits CR5, but thats beside the point. Unfortantly our outfit has had the same experiences with moronic imbeciles, we were beggining to think we were the only intelligent terrans on the server. We are for the most part very, very disdainful of our fellow Terrans because, much of the time, we are amazed that they are even smart enough to breath, let alone fight effectively. I agree with all five of your points. Unfortantly it seems your outfit has fallen under net as everyone elses, which may not be right. I also agree with your statement that a players outfit is the only one that can be relied upon, and if you are trying to command they are going to be your elites. I don't know how many times we've watched 20-30 players banging their heads against a wall as our galaxy slowly glides over the tower, drops five or six people, and we procedded to take it without a casaulty.

We haven't exactly had alot of contact with you or your outfit, for the most part we work alone and let other Terrans live or die by their own devices, but what little i've seen was rather mixed. I've seen you guys valiently fight up a cliff on Ceryshen, taking extremely few casualties and as soon as you got to the top, you had to turn around because you had lost your link, because your rearguard was either too weak or non-existent. I've seen a few really stupid broadcasts from you, and a few smart ones, sometimes the same one. And now, for the abrupt and akward ending because i have some smurfs to kill and i'm late. So just assume i make a witty statement here along the lines of gained a little respect/humility.

[GammA]

indeed i havent heard alot about the dragon wolves, however i have had other outfit leaders tell me about how AGO was completely uneffective, and also BWC-FireFly had critized the dragonwolves of their actions in the past but there was no change in the way things operate. im not to one to critisize since i have no personal dealings with the dragonwolves, but maybe thats why, because the dragonwolves have not taken the initiative to organize anything.

:)

[Navaron]

/rings bell

Round 1#

[Hertston]

I'd better say before I begin this post that my highest level character is a BR17, CR2 (Vanu, Werner) , with no "command" aspirations whatsoever.

A few home truths. Gaining CR is the same as gaining BR. It requires little "hard work" or leadership skill, just plenty of hours and an eye for how the game flows. I'd be the first to agree it shouldn't be like that, but it is.

That's why people have minimal respect for most CR4/5s... because most (I don't mean all) have no better grasp of the game than most reasonably bright BR12s and upwards. They have just logged more hours as SL. The game (as is), it's tactics and strategy are not complicated. If you want that sort of complexity, try WW2OL. Allegiance was another good example if anyone here played that.. everyone knew the best leaders by name, because they were good, their teams usually won, and folks knew it.

That said, a good commander can be an asset. Distribution of information is important, as is transport organisation and (where possible) co-ordinating the effort... with minimal attempts at micro-management (which just annoys people trying to get on with what they know needs doing). But at present, you recognise a good commander from what they say and do, who they are, - not their rank. To be honest there's one on Werner I listen to, when any others start babbling away I just turn off receipt of command messages.

In short, those who are good (and have people management skills too), will earn respect and some people/squads might even do what they want them to do. But the rank itself just means diddly squat.. and very little in the game is as irritating as a poor CR4/5 spamming do this, do that, go here, come here when a quick glance at the map shows them either to be misguided, or completely clueless.

[Hamma]

I like the sexy neckpiece with the antenna :brow:

[Nanophreak]

I play a br 15 cr 2 NC character on Markov and I always try to communicate to other squad leaders or anyone cr 2 and up. It helps people to let them know where you are and where we need help. I remember an instance where 3 other cr 2+ guys and I were coordinating our defense with each other.. It eneded up working out great! If any commander cr 2+ were to work together like that in NC, our numbers wouldnt have a large impact on the outcome of a battle.

[Incompetent]

because the dragonwolves have not taken the initiative to organize anything. Think about that statement for a moment, now think about the outfit affiliation of the guy who runs this site, and most of the guys who run AGN, see how many dragonwolves you can find.

edit: also take note of the smallest outfit to remain in the top 3 throughout almost the entire beta

[Arakiel]

Being CR5 is a lot like working tech support. You deal with idiots all day long that expect you to fix everything, but they rarely listen anyway.

[kidriot]

not to rain on your parade Gamma but, from the way you spoke I expected 7th legion to be a well organized well oiled machine. however, a recent look at your outfit points shows otherwise.

I understand that Planetside.com doesn't handle the outfit member #'s accurately. my outfit reads 109 on Planetside.com yet we're actually around 67ish.

anyway, the point: 347,818 outfit points w/201 people (max at one time, actual #'s unsure of) in your outfit. created May 20th.

my outfit: 459,936 w/112 max people, 68 actual. again, created May 20th.

my outfit, Hostile Takeover, is the 4th most efficient outfit on Markov. 420th Armored Division, We Ourselves, GothicTerror all have well under 100 actual members. "actual" based off the in-game listing.

the majority of my outfits time is spent goofing off. holding a Tower of Pain or randomly lattice punching behind zergs. we run around 13-15 people a night. perhaps you can do some more "good" with your outfit?

I agree on your assessment of the zerg. fuck em.

[GammA]

so incompetant is telling me that DRAGON WOLVES the outfit is taking an initiative because hamma takes a step to provide information. Yes hamma is doing a good job no doubt, and where are the rest of you? Hamma is only one person, Dragon Wolves as a whole is a outfit, hamma is a representative of the outfit not the outfit entirely. and all that AGN stuff is cool, but my explaination was regarding EMERALD not AGN private servers. so try not to break off topic :).

[TheRegurgitator]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
Gamma I've played with you before, and I was impressed with a time where you personally brought down and ANT and AMS to a base that just 2 of us held, while you directed the other members of TR to a more important contested base. It's that kind of personal initiative that more CR5's should take. i always end up doing the ant work for my squad wheres my reward.....

[Hamma]

Originally posted by GammA
indeed i havent heard alot about the dragon wolves, however i have had other outfit leaders tell me about how AGO was completely uneffective, and also BWC-FireFly had critized the dragonwolves of their actions in the past but there was no change in the way things operate. im not to one to critisize since i have no personal dealings with the dragonwolves, but maybe thats why, because the dragonwolves have not taken the initiative to organize anything.

:) Don't believe everything BWC says :rofl:

We now work alone, we have no affiliation. But are willing to organise with folks if they want our services

[GammA]

kidriot if outfit points was what i was after than i would definitley not be worth my time to even have a outfit. we do things from what we feel is important for organization sake not having all our member XP whore at about to cap bases. if your outfit is based on member/ outfit points obviously you have not gotten the gist of what this game is about. just my 2 cent :). and seeing that your a NC you would definetly not know about what we do considering you have no contact with me at all. and keep in mind that we had have some new members join lately so, they have not yet stacked up in outfit points, and i really dont care if they do or not. as long as they can follow orders and work together thats fine by me.

outfit pointing everyone else with limited amount of members is not what i call a good outfit.

[Kikinchikin]

amen yo! and hey look at the enforcers over 400 members, u know how much organizationt hey have? ZILCH.

trust me if u played with us even one night during our training at 830 u would understand.

Tonight we did it on cyssor. Started at aja, worked our way ahead of the zerg by not staying for hax and ended up taking over everything cept a few bases up north cuz we swept right through and completely shoved vanu off. And it came through good organization good communication, and good commanding, not zerging with 5 trillion members.

and could it be that if u have an outfit with lets say 800000 OP and 55 members that maybe those 55 members have... NO LIVES GASP!

[kidriot]

the majority of my outfits time is spent goofing off.

the point was, mate, that we dont go for capping bases. yet, my outfit has nearly 100k more outfit points.

[Cease]

And what does all this outfit penis measuring have to do with the topic of CR5s? Oh yea.. not a god damn thing.

[kidriot]

I run my outfit pretty strictly, we have outfit training everynight at 8:30pm and all our members are required to use Teamspeak, and all platoon leaders present are required to file a report after each nights training.



And what does all this outfit penis measuring have to do with the topic of CR5s? Oh yea.. not a god damn thing.

if he's holding outfit training every night at 8:30pm then his outfit ought to be representing

[DwarfVader]

As a Dragonwolf sitting at BR13 and absolutly no command aspirations whatsoever except to maybe hit CR2 so that I can read the command chat once in a while, I'll say this.

We've been busting it alone for a while, fighting off barny zergs here and there, and once in a while just getting owned by them simply due to man power. Even in the case of getting owned we still hold them off for quite a while before the zerg crushes all.

As for myself, I've never really had any contact with the 7th Legion. However I can say that it would be nice to do some ass kicking with some TR's that don't have their heads crammed up their asses for a change. I can't even count how many times we've picked a continent that needed some TR influence, started the fight, taken half the continent only to then realize that a whole bunch of TR morons have showed up and created a zerg behind us that has about as much brains as a kiwi fruit.

The only real exp. I have with CR5's in general is Malone, and I refuse to even touch upon that subject here for reasons that I will summerize in a couple simple words: "World class ass globlin."

Again it would be nice to team up with another outfit that actually knows where its going half the time, and although I can't set anything up myself... From one Dragonwolf to the 7th legion... I'd be glad to fight along side you guys, just to see what you can do.

[Cease]

if he's holding outfit training every night at 8:30pm then his outfit ought to be representing

What the hell does representing mean in reference to Planetside? And as an NC how the hell would you know, on the battlefield, that 7th Legion was "representin'"? You wouldn't. You just shoot at the red guys like we shoot at the blue guys. I don't give a rats ass which NC outfit is out there, I'm sure you don't give a rats ass which TR outfit is out there. We got an objective, we'll try to accomplish it in an organized and effecient fashion. We either succeed or fail. Regardless of outfit points, I can assure you that you will always get a good fight if the 7th Legion is there. Of course if you think outfit points are the ultimate measuring stick, then by all means feel free to under-estimate us. Ignorant enemies just make our job easier.

[JLeeAZN]

I don't know if anyone on Emerald was on yesterday to hear Klar make the most of Global Chat ability... my god it was sooo st00pid.

[Kikinchikin]

LOLZ he advertised an ANT demo derby that I was supposedly hosting, and altho i do host these time to time i wasnt planning on it then, but newayz no one came in the first place so :(.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by DwarfVader
As a Dragonwolf sitting at BR13 and absolutly no command aspirations whatsoever except to maybe hit CR2 so that I can read the command chat once in a while, I'll say this.

We've been busting it alone for a while, fighting off barny zergs here and there, and once in a while just getting owned by them simply due to man power. Even in the case of getting owned we still hold them off for quite a while before the zerg crushes all.

As for myself, I've never really had any contact with the 7th Legion. However I can say that it would be nice to do some ass kicking with some TR's that don't have their heads crammed up their asses for a change. I can't even count how many times we've picked a continent that needed some TR influence, started the fight, taken half the continent only to then realize that a whole bunch of TR morons have showed up and created a zerg behind us that has about as much brains as a kiwi fruit.

The only real exp. I have with CR5's in general is Malone, and I refuse to even touch upon that subject here for reasons that I will summerize in a couple simple words: "World class ass globlin."

Again it would be nice to team up with another outfit that actually knows where its going half the time, and although I can't set anything up myself... From one Dragonwolf to the 7th legion... I'd be glad to fight along side you guys, just to see what you can do.

Dwarf, you should really check out my outfit. In the coming weeks, two other outfits are gonna merge with us. Our operations get VERY technical sometimes. One thing required in our outfit is Ventrilo. Voice is the key and PS voice sucks, so we use Ventrilo. You don't have to have a mic as long as you listen. PM me for moer info.

lilbird, My outfit was working along side you. We almost had the whole continent when I left.

Edit: Our outfit leader has also climbed the ranks to the head of the Emerald Alliance, which ensures more organization.

[Kikinchikin]

yup i remember seeing u. :D fun stuff eh?

[Lonehunter]

rgr that

[GammA]

lonehunter... not to say anything, but you the emerald alliance really has no*ranks*. if there was one i would be its leader, simply because i was the originaly co-founder with BWC's firefly which left the scene, also the fact that i was the first SUPREME commander of the ALLIED operation on HOSSIN back in june where as we had 30+ outfits represented and digital marines was not one of them as well as the CONFERENCE moderator executive for 2 weeks. WHen the alliance suggest a charman type deal i strictly forbid it because we dont want that crap. all outfits in the emerald alliance are a round table and considered equal because thats what i put forth.

But anyways :p you get the point. no outfit should brag how *their* outfit leader climbs anyrank in any alliance since an alliance, means *cooperation but equal*. i consider myself equal to members such as vhm and NCG which only have arround 20 members and their say weighs in just as much as mine.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by GammA
lonehunter... not to say anything, but you the emerald alliance really has no*ranks*.

They may not but our outfit does

[AQUAdragon]

thats cool

[xMars]

dragon, u realize that you necroed a 3 year old thread?

[Firefly]

HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY!!!

HAHA GammArkantis. What a fucking piece of shit. If any of you guys ever had your outfit members ganked, it was probably this dried-up turd.

As for what "BWC" said about DragonWolves - he took it out of context for this argument to wave his dick around. What I (not BWC) said was, BWC was part of the AGO - a beta-period alliance of outfits which CDL either sponsored, created, or just hosted on their website. That was the only mention of CDL. The rest of my comments were - and always have been, and always will be - about the AGO. It had potential, but it did not go anywhere. It was a great idea, and the only organized beta-era alliance that I can recall. I remember my outfit leader at the time trying to generate interest among its members, and we had two outfits show up to the two operations that the AGO conducted. He got frustrated and left it up to me to liaison with the AGO.

When retail was launched, the AGO did not make it. That's why those two outfits founded the Emerald Alliance. And GammArkantis was NOT a co-founder. He was a Council member, because every outfit who was part of that alliance had an equal share and equal say. The only two founders for the EA were myself and =NCG=BigBro.

And there's no way in hell GammArkantis would have ever "run" the Alliance.

[Ivan]

Whoa, this thread is old. :lol:

[Hamma]

The thread sucks too. hehe - needless drama for the lose!

[Ivan]

:lol: it was brought out of the archives just so AQUAdragon can say, "That's cool." :rofl: