Who here prefers the decimator over AV weapons?

[smccord313]

I really like the decimator. Any weapon that kills a MAX in two shots is worth it in my book. There's virtually no wait to fire the 2nd shot with the secondary fire mode and if you miss, you can blow it up next to the MAX as well. And as a bonus, when you get Special Assault, you also get the thumper, which is very useful as well. The rocklet just seems to be worthless to me compared to the thumper. Anyway, who else likes the decimator?

[Jaged]

I like the pheonix. It dosent do that much less dammage than the Deci. It akes three shots to kill a max with it, and you can shoot it from behind cover a long way away. The deci requires you to be in there face and out in the open. Just where the enemy max would want you.

[00AgentDuck]

My answer for killing a max is the bumper of my maurader or mag mower:D. One hit kills and there's no mess to clean up.

[1024]

Boomer + infiltration suit + surge = dead max

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by smccord313
I really like the decimator. Any weapon that kills a MAX in two shots is worth it in my book. There's virtually no wait to fire the 2nd shot with the secondary fire mode and if you miss, you can blow it up next to the MAX as well. And as a bonus, when you get Special Assault, you also get the thumper, which is very useful as well. The rocklet just seems to be worthless to me compared to the thumper. Anyway, who else likes the decimator?

You'd pick the Thumper aka "griefer" over the ricklet rifle?

[Hertston]

I wouldn't choose the decimator over any of the AV weapons... it hurts more, but it's too easy to dodge, or indeed to miss with. All three AV weapons are very potent against MAXes.

Special assault as a package is great, and very under-used IMHO. I agree, the thumper lobbing plasma grenades can be an absolute bitch, although you often don't get the chance to use it when it would be most effective as your own team-mates insist in getting in the way. The Rocklet Rifle is a weapon of real skill.. I'm useless with one but there are some who are absolutely deadly with it.

Personally, I'd rather HA got dumped altogether, and replaced with a common pool special/heavy combo (4 cert points) of Decimator, Thumper and a (slightly underpowered compared with the TR HA weapon) MCG.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by Hertston
The Rocklet Rifle is a weapon of real skill.. I'm useless with one but there are some who are absolutely deadly with it.

That's what I'm trying to say. I've takin down plenty of MAXs with mine.

[Streamline]

Originally posted by Hertston
The Rocklet Rifle is a weapon of real skill.. I'm useless with one but there are some who are absolutely deadly with it.

So NOT... Rocklet rifle is most definatley not a skills based weapon. Both the rocklet and the thumper are spam weapons. Nothing more. From my experience any HA weapon owns the rocklet users when both are full armor/health.

[Eliaas_Demens]

Both the rocklet and the thumper are spam weapons. Nothing more.

I beg to differ. The Rocklet may be a spam weapon(who uses primary fire?), but the Thumper is a weapon that requires a great deal of skill to use properly. It's taken me quite some time to refine my accuracy with the Thumper down, and I'm quite proud of my ability to drop a grenade on the foot of a reinforced from a third of the way across an SOI. Besides... how do you spam with a weapon that slow?

[Sentrosi]

Decimator owns inside a tower or base. Get two ppl with Decimators guarding back doors or hallways and Max's are eaten up. Thumper is great for spam effect; guarding backdoors and towers. That's the reason why I'll never give them up.

[smccord313]

My answer for killing a max is the bumper of my maurader or mag mower. One hit kills and there's no mess to clean up.

Of course that works well but you can't fit a maurader or magmower inside a base.

Decimator owns inside a tower or base. Get two ppl with Decimators guarding back doors or hallways and Max's are eaten up. Thumper is great for spam effect; guarding backdoors and towers. That's the reason why I'll never give them up.

Amen. :D

[00AgentDuck]

Yeah I gusse your right, not unless they make a miniature magmower for indoor use. One reason why I love the magmower is since your vs you don't have to fight any maxes that can jump when you try to run them down. But still it's fun to run over some maxes with vechicles, especially if they're tr maxes and they have rooted down in place:D . Just priceless

[Hertston]

Originally posted by Eliaas_Demens
I beg to differ. The Rocklet may be a spam weapon(who uses primary fire?), but the Thumper is a weapon that requires a great deal of skill to use properly.

So do I.. on the Rocklet. The skilled Rocklet user is the one who DOES use primary fire, and can hit every time with it.... i.e who can use it as a medium range weapon as well as a "room broom". That's skill... far more than is needed for n00bhammer, MCG or Lasher (the ultimate spam weapon.. and that from a Vanu).

[Onizuka]

Simple if i was VS i would, if i was any other empire i wouldnt.

btw: yay br 20 hehe.... now i have to lead AHHHHHH

[Incompetent]

You can have my decimator when you pry it from my cold dead hands

[Eliaas_Demens]

If only the Decimator was five shots..

[OneArmedScissor]

Decimator all the way:rock:

[Cease]

I've loved the Decimator ever since I chose Special Assault back when I was like BR8. And the more you use it, the more you learn use the secondary fire mode and lead. Nothing more satisfying than shooting Reavers and Mosquitos out of the sky with a Decimator.

And the Thumper is such an Underrated weapon. I used to think the same way, but the more I use it, the more I see how much of a good weapon it is.

[Eliaas_Demens]

However, you still have to admit that ALL of the Special Assult weapons are very situational. I can't even count the number of times I've been riddled with bullets before I can even get close enough to launch a grenade.

[aiwest420]

my br11 TR char has SA.

i do prefer the deci over the striker (striker has too low dmg, deci is much quicker killing small vehicles/maxs).

thumper: love usin this thing, its the perfect weap for taking our groups of infantry (AMS :D)

rocklet: dont bother with this thing, it doesnt carry enough ammo, takes around 4/5 shots to kill someone.

[Arakiel]

The rocklet is just crap. I must say though, I love when friendlies use secondary mode and spray rockets all over the damn place and kill me.

As far as the decimator goes, there's a reason I almost always carry one. (three, usually)

[Streamline]

Originally posted by Eliaas_Demens
I beg to differ. The Rocklet may be a spam weapon(who uses primary fire?), but the Thumper is a weapon that requires a great deal of skill to use properly. It's taken me quite some time to refine my accuracy with the Thumper down, and I'm quite proud of my ability to drop a grenade on the foot of a reinforced from a third of the way across an SOI. Besides... how do you spam with a weapon that slow?

When i had the thumper. Everytime i approached a zerged tower. The first thing i'd do is flip the secondary and start spamming thew the door, down the stairs. I'm pretty sure they still do that.

For that matter what weapon could you not spam with besides the bolt driver and the striker? Anytime you can fire a weapon and hope a target presents itself after the fact. I call that spam. Anytime you blanket an area with ordinance cuz you either can't actually hit the target or don't know the targets exact location. I call that spam. Anytime you aim in the general direction of a target and shoot. I call that spam. Plasma by nature has a spamming effect. most ppl who use thumpers load plasma.

[Cease]

However, you still have to admit that ALL of the Special Assult weapons are very situational.

The key to success in this game, in my opinion, is understanding that EVERY weapon is situational. A good loadout, quick assessment/reaction to the current situation, and using the proper weapon is really key in this game.

[aiwest420]

As far as the decimator goes, there's a reason I almost always carry one. (three, usually) [/B]
haha yea, i remember you taking out my lightning last night with a decimator. was at faro on cyssor, i believe.

:)

[Streamline]

Originally posted by Cease
However, you still have to admit that ALL of the Special Assult weapons are very situational.

The key to success in this game, in my opinion, is understanding that EVERY weapon is situational. A good loadout, quick assessment/reaction to the current situation, and using the proper weapon is really key in this game.

But you can't have every weapon. You get two in most cases. Thus, some hardline decisions need to be made about your loadout. Arakiel had tryed to get me to switch to SA for Deci use in place of my AV. Even though i have admoration for the Deci and call for them often on TS. I myself can't do without the Lancer. While the lasher may be ok for AV at close range. The lancer still owns over it. Decis may own all for AV. But it doesnt do me any good vs. both mixed infanty and maxes at range. At close range the lancer doesn't splash so im not at risk by using it.

There isn't any one weapon thats better for all situation. Theres not even a two weapon combo that can possibly cover every situation. But almost any two weapons can be use for a vast majority of situations. You just need to determine what they are for you personally.

If i'm taking point or leading a squad i take into consideration what other ppl are using and i try not to waste time on things my squads not suited to deal with. While handing out positions for defending a CC or maybe a tower. I try to place ppl according to what i predict will come threw the door.

[Queensidecastle]

I MUCH prefer the Decimator to AV. The main reason is space in my inventory. My play style almost never has me in an open field against MAXs. I just cant justify the 3 points that almost completely fills your inventory if you want to even be moderatly usefull with AV. The Decimator takes 3 ammo slots in your inventory. The space and mobility to damage ratio is as good as you can possibly get. Also, if you have a Decimator in your pack, you dont need to also waste space for AP ammo. Besides, phoenix, striker, and lancers just suck for removing MAXs from consoles and spawn areas, and you just gave up almost all your inventory to do less with more.

Special assault was king for Vanu before the Lasher upgrade because Vanu didnt have any decent weapons, certainly nothing on the level of the ridiculous striker. The phoenix, while mad fun to use, is just far to limiting. You cannot have the phoenix loadout and also be effective at killing grunts. Its slow refire rate almost ensures that you will not kill a vehicle in one sitting and if you cant kill the vehicle, whats the point. Decimators in alt fire mode can kill MAXs and vehicles stupidfast.

All in all I would say that the Striker is the only AV worth having and even then, your just gonna sit around bored waiting for aircraft or MAXs while being an ineffective grunt. Decimator allows you to be a hardcore grunt + Engineer HAcker or Medic while at the same time allowing you to pull out the Decimator for some vehicle or MAX whoopass

EDIT: I forgot to add that AV REQUIRES Reinforced if you want to be any sort of usefull. In Agile, you either pick HA/MA OR you pick AV. Unlike AV, an Agile with SA can STILL be an effective HA and also be effective with a Decimator.

[Revolver]

I prefer the phx to anything else. I could pwn most vehicles w/ it. I loved it. :D

Originally posted by Onizuka
yay br 20 hehe.... now i have to lead AHHHHHH I got that out of the way a while back ;)

[Cease]

Streamline,

I'm confused why you quoted me. Are you debating something I said or just giving what I said further explanation? I thought you were debating something I said, but you pretty much re-iterated my thoughts.

You said: "Thus, some hardline decisions need to be made about your loadout."

I said: "The key to success in this game... a good loadout"

You're loadout is obviously going to depend on how you're certed as well as what the sitation calls for. No loadout is all around perfect. Which is why we have the ability to save 10 Favorites and not just 1.


You said: "There isn't any one weapon thats better for all situation. Theres not even a two weapon combo that can possibly cover every situation."

I said: "The key to success in this game, in my opinion, is understanding that EVERY weapon is situational."

We essentially say the same thing here, just worded differently.

You said: "You just need to determine what they are for you personally.

If i'm taking point or leading a squad i take into consideration what other ppl are using and i try not to waste time on things my squads not suited to deal with. While handing out positions for defending a CC or maybe a tower. I try to place ppl according to what i predict will come threw the door."

I said: "...quick assessment/reaction to the current situation, and using the proper weapon is really key in this game."

In your example you assessed the situation and reacted to it by using weapons best suited for the situation.

So Im not sure if you were disagreeing with something I said or not, because to me it seems like we are pretty much on the same page. :)

[Streamline]

Cease, you said the Deci allows you to be a hardcore grunt as though you had to have one to really be one. I don't carry one and i am playing hardcore grunt right now. All im saying is that since all the weapons are situational. While the Deci may not be right for me. It maybe for my partner or one or more of my squadmates. But that doen't make us any different. Just better suited to handle more circumstances.

I can't tell you how many /tells i've got from ppl seeing me use the lancer inside in cqb saying "you are the luckiest bastard"

But i play VS you play TR this maybe totally different for you. IDK What i can say is. I've played with alot of very good VS maxs and one top rated one. I can say first hand that they hate Strikers more than anything. I think they'd prefer you to carry Decis. So really, whos to say which is better?

[Skullhead]

I love the decimator and I'm VS, I took down 2 reavers last night when they were hovering. Those were my first to air kills with the decimator.

And also the decimator has at least a 5000 meter range or something because it can be used to scout in secondary mode.

[Revolver]

That's my one gripe with the deci: It's near-impossible to hit moving targets or airborne ones. :(

Cherish those 2 kills you got Skullhead, since it's pretty unlikely you'll get many more. :tear:

[Arakiel]

Disagreed. I get lots of deci kills on reavers and mosqs. If they stop to hover, they die.

[Queensidecastle]

Yeah there are SCORES of reaver and mossy idiots that like to line up and shoot through tower doorways. Those guys alone are a constant source of Deci kills

[Cease]

Cease, you said the Deci allows you to be a hardcore grunt as though you had to have one to really be one.

I think you may be confusing me with someone else. Never once did I say that or even came close to implying anything like that.

[Streamline]

Yeah my bad d00d. It was Queensidecastle that said that. IDK it was prolly late and i was prolly high.

[Queensidecastle]

A hardcore grunt = Heavy assault, reinforced, and perhaps AV or SA. like I said before, AV doesnt leave dick for room in your inventory. Your better off picking HA + SA for decimator or just choose AV because your not going to have enough room to do both effectivly whereas you will have enough room to be an effective HA AND be an effective vehicle or MAX killer with a Decimator

[Streamline]

You see i dont get that. I have HA/AV both and i do just fine. I mean how much room do you need in your inventory? Most peeps die with 90% of their loadout. I have run out of both kinds of ammo at many times. Inturn i've owned several maxs and mixed infantry. Whereas i don't believe i could have done the same thing with a Deci or even 2 or 3. Also, i dont like maxes getting too close to me.

Lancer allows me to hurt 'em or take 'em out from a distance leaving the infantry much easier to deal with. If i have Deci loadout of say 3 Decis.That gives me 9 shots. But at the range in which i have to use them. I'm likely to die before making full use. Lancer + 3ammo gives me 18 shots that i can use anywhere, anytime, over long distance, or humpin distance vs. any unit. Any deployable is one shot. As an added bonus i can use Strikers and Pheonixs.

Only using AV just isn't enough for all situations. If you load MA/AV thats better. Still not great since the ranges that both weapons are good for is alot closer together. When was the last time you saw Pulsar/Lancer own JH inside?

[Queensidecastle]

I consider a Decimator 1000x more usefull than all AV except for perhaps the Striker, but the striker is gonna get nerfed with the Anti-Aircraft changes that are going to go in anyways. Say you happen on an AMS, if you have a Decimator and the AMS has taken any damage, your gonna be able to blow it, while at the same time fend off enemies with heavy assault. Are you going to stand there with a Lancer trying to blow it? Youll be dead in no time if you arent out of ammo of course

[Streamline]

Actually yeah.... But typically i take the AMS from a distance. Or now i have an OS so i'm really not concerned. I rearly work alone either so if need be i always have backup in these situations. Most of the time i don't even have to dirty my hands on it at all. I just call for aerial, mobile armor, or orbital strike. Situationally, the only time i prefer a Deci is when there be a max comin up the stairs in a tower. But since i dont have a Deci. AV has had to do, and it has.