Sunderer vs. Galaxy

[Furio]

Since the game isnt out yet most of this is speculation. But I am wondering what is the point of the Sunderer if theres a Galaxy?
Well heres what we know.
Galaxy
Designed to carry a full squad of players (one pilot, three gunners, six passengers, two heavy driver, parmors, and a light tank or buggy with assengers and gunner),
The Galaxy utilizes three 20mm cannons in its gunner positions for point defense against ground vehicles.
Sunderer
The gigantic ground transport that can carry a driver, two gunners, and a full squad across terrain

Ok first of all it doesnt say anything about a Sunderer being able to carry a buggy like Galaxy. Galaxy 1 Sunderer0

Galaxys are not effected by terrain. Sunderers are Galaxy 2 Sunderer 0

Galaxy has 3 guns Sunderer 2 they may or may not be the same types of guns but 3>2 so Galaxy 3 Sunderer 0

Speculation: Galaxy is in the air so it will likely move faster than something on land Galaxy 4 Sunderer 0

So what are some of the advantages of Sunderer vs Galaxy?

[Saint]

Tell me, which is easier to spot a raven flying in the sky or a fox running in a forest... Answer your question?

[Furio]

You make a good point that I forgot about (I have been thinking about this for a couple days now) Of course I believe the Sunderer is a huge truck. Which might mean theres more armor on it but its still a huge truck.

[Saint]

You will not be sighted as easily if you are on the ground you contrast so much more with a blue sky.

[afex]

Ok first of all it doesnt say anything about a Sunderer being able to carry a buggy like Galaxy. Galaxy 1 Sunderer0

why does it need to be able to carry a buggy when you could just drive next to it, or even better drive ahead of it for cover, escort. (buggy has guns)
Galaxy 0 Sunderer 1


Galaxys are not effected by terrain. Sunderers are Galaxy 2 Sunderer 0

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Galaxy 1 Sunderer 1


Galaxy has 3 guns Sunderer 2 they may or may not be the same types of guns but 3>2 so Galaxy 3 Sunderer 0

Galaxy has severe blind spots in front and above/below which the guns cant reach. chances are that the sunderers guns have 360 degree rotation.
Galaxy 1 Sunderer 2


Speculation: Galaxy is in the air so it will likely move faster than something on land Galaxy 4 Sunderer 0

I would think that since the galaxy has a larger payload it would actually move slower than the sunderer
Galaxy 1 Sunderer 3

[Saint]

And I am positive the ground one will have greater armor since it doesnt have to be light, because it is... well on the ground.

[Kriev-Xy]

probably the certification level required to drive the galaxy is higher.. also.. land attacks can be held more secretly.. if u come by air.. well u can get shotdown easily and u loose everyone.. the galaxy's pilot can get sniped.. if it happens.. the galaxy goes down hard.. i dont know how the Sunderer's pilot seat looks like.. but if its snipable.. u dont loose your hole squad cuz your pilot got sniped

edit: we dont know at what speeds both vehicules will go at.. i know that in T2 the havoc which is a smaller version of a dropship but its fairly slow compared to a tank

[afex]

Originally posted by Kriev-Xy
probably the certification level required to drive the galaxy is higher.. also.. land attacks can be help more secretly.. if u come by air.. well u can get shotdown easily and u loose everyone.. the galaxy's pilot can get sniped.. if it happens.. the galaxy goes down hard.. i dont know how the Sunderer's pilot seat looks like.. but if its snipable.. u dont loose your hole squad cuz your pilot got sniped

you dont crash if the pilot gets sniped (which i doubt you could do to a galaxy anyway)

it would go into auto-hover mode when it loses its pilot

edit: we dont know at what speeds both vehicules will go at.. i know that in T2 the havoc which is a smaller version of a dropship but its fairly slow compared to a tank

we're not comparing the galaxy to the vangaurd, we're comparing it to heavy ground troop transport. the sunderer isn't a tank.

[SandTrout]

Sunderers have greater armor than Galaxies(just speculateing, but it would make sense). Gal 4, Sun 1

Sunderers are easyer to defend because they have fewer angels to worry about. Gal 4, Sun 2

Sunderers can be defended by infantry, buggies, and/or tanks. Gal 4, Sun 3

Sunderers can easily deploy and retreive infantry without haveing to find a large area to land. Gal 4, Sun 4

Sunderers would likely be less visable to radar, and definately to optical observation. Sun 5, Gal 4

Each vehicle has its pros and conns. Useing them effectively is the key to a successful(sp?) assault.

On HALO drop assaults you will of course use Galaxies.

When you're trying to get a squad close into the action in a heavy battle or out of it, you'll use a sunderer.

[Furio]

Made some good points. We will probably learn more advantages and disadvantages of it all once it comes closer to release.

These arise new questions which is better for people who just like to travel a continent and defend hacked bases. Obviously speed is important but so is power.

[SandTrout]

He he, rapid assault on the thread :D

[Airlift]

No way should the Galaxy move slower than the sunderer. Kind of the whole wheels vs wings thing.

However, the benefit to the Sunderer in my mind will be using it as part of a large ground force. It is a less consipicuous target in the middle of a column of heavy tanks than a Galaxy would be as it comes down to deploy troops.

It also can potentially take more damage than a galaxy because it doesn't have to stay in the air.

I think the Galaxy will be used more for small actions and the Sunderer will be used more as part of a huge battle.

[Sputty]

I agree. I thknk the Galaxy would be good for quick attacks where you can get in and wait for heavy tanks or not need them but in the major tank attacks where infantry will just protect the tanks and take the base that will be the sunderer's area of use. It is alot easier to hide an APC behind tanks than a galaxy..hehe

[Kalam]

Another point is that you need a special facility to spawn a Galaxy

I think the Sunderer can be spawnt at every ground vehicle station

[shadowwolf]

Originally posted by Kalam
Another point is that you need a special facility to spawn a Galaxy

I think the Sunderer can be spawnt at every ground vehicle station

Was just about to say this.

[balab]

is it possible to jump out of the galaxy from low altitude while sustaining a minor drop damage? (i don't see any reason why not). or better yet, jump out from the galaxy into water and not sustaining any damage at all. woo i'm getting ahead of myself...

[Airlift]

It is possible to jump out at high altitude and not take lethal damage. Beyond that we don't know yet.

[Guardian AngeL]

Maybe a VS Max can use its jetjump when it jumps out and it wouldn't take much damage at all.

[FraBaktos]

Weird, I don't think anyone mentioned this... I would think the most significant advantage would be that a sunderer doesn't have to land to deploy, it just has to slow down a bit (unless the passengers don't mind getting a little road rash :D) which seems to be a major advantage.

[Airlift]

We don't really have any idea about how much damage you take from bailing other than it won't kill you. We don't know rate of descent or how high off the ground the kinetic dampenamabobs kick in.

Airbourne deployment may be a terrifying threat to defenses, or it may be a laughable suicide attempt.

[balab]

if you can drop a medic first it won't be so bad.

another point about the sunderer vs galaxy:

if the air route is simply not available due to heavy defense, air mob, or any other reason, i guess you'll have to transport via ground.

[Hamma]

Galaxy king of the air. :D

[Guardian AngeL]

its so big when im flying it ill probably just land on a platoon of enemy ground troops to kill them :D

[SteveDemers4]

They both have goods and bads, like each faction, each weapon.

Its hard to say, they both own, so lets leave it Sun: 1, Gal: 1. :D

[Duritz]

Personally, I figure that the Sunderer has better MAX transport ability than the Galaxy because the Galaxy can ONLY carry 2. Maybe the Sunderer is supposed to make the MAXes more mobile.

[Sputty]

I don't think the Sunderer can carry any MAXes. I thought it could only carry reinforced armors and then down from that...maybe I'm wrong. A max could run beside it though...

[Navaron]

Damn that's a big ass ship - it only holds how much???? http://mediaviewer.ign.com/ignMediaPage.jsp?media_id=1634648&object_id=15582&channel_id=59&page_title=PlanetSide&adString=network%3Dign%26site%3Dpchub%26pagetype%3 Dmediaimgthin&return_url=http%3A%2F%2Fpc.ign.com%2Fobjects%2F015 %2F015582.html

[Sputty]

Whoa, youre right...take into account it may be flying so the objects may appear smaller and the weight factor of a tank...and two MAXes and all the armor.the Galaxy is said to have as much armor as a tank

[Navaron]

Theres a guy standing on it, I doubt he's out of proportion with the ship. I wonder if you can get 40 guys to wing walk on top of the gal? Talk about a mean HALO squad.

[Sputty]

Yeah true, I'm blind and tired though so it may be hard for me to tell anything...heh...that is really big...I think anything could hit that..it's literally the size of a barn..

[AdmiralPeanuts]

the surrenderer can set up a remote base that has ammo and respawn points correct? I thought that was the main point of the surrenderer. or whatever its called.

[Airlift]

The Remote Base is an AMS, a vehicle unto itself.

[HollandHup]

galaxies can be defended by reavers and mosquitos too, just as the sunderer can get buggy and tank defence.

the sunderer will move faster then a tank, so it has to addept to the speed of the tank. The reavers and mosquitos have to adept to the galaxy for sure.

Both will have their strong and weak points.

galaxy stong points:
- no ground obstacles at all, so will eventually be more flexible and faster (if the sunderer has to travel around a mountain)
- got a good overview of the terrain/battlefield

sunderer stong points:
- can appoach unnoticed
- can easely be repaired (stop, repair, drive)
- got better gun cover for itself


I wouldn't give it a 2-3 score since speed/flexibility of the galaxy could count more then being able to reapir fast and there are alot of good points missing.

So as steve said, let's leave it at Sun: 1 Gal: 1

[Airlift]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
Damn that's a big ass ship - it only holds how much???? http://mediaviewer.ign.com/ignMediaPage.jsp?media_id=1634648&object_id=15582&channel_id=59&page_title=PlanetSide&adString=network%3Dign%26site%3Dpchub%26pagetype%3 Dmediaimgthin&return_url=http%3A%2F%2Fpc.ign.com%2Fobjects%2F015 %2F015582.html


Wait a minute here... Is the TR Galaxy really black? When I asked Hamma a while back he said the galaxies were all the same primary color with different badging and highlight color. However, that galaxy (which I haven't seen before) looks black to me. Yes?

[HollandHup]

I guess the sunderer is best to start a attack

An escort of sunderers, Ams, tanks and buggies moving more unnoticed then a galaxy+ escort.

Also notice that the soldier in the Sunderer (including MAXes!) can get out in little time for more firepower

The Galaxy will be best for fast and flexible reinforcements, rather then head-on attacks

So if you want to get somewhere with your friends with the best chance of staying alive, go sunderer.

If you want to get to the battle fast, use the galaxy

[SteveDemers4]

These are all great, wonderful points.

As for that Galaxy, thats got to be an error or something, I mean I know the Galaxies all have that grayish tint color to them, with the logo and colors across the top, as a matter of fact, look at the PSU Banner, that Galaxy is the same as all the others, just change the colors and logo.

[Zatrais]

Somehow i'd feel abit safer in the games biggest armored personell carrier than a plane.. hehe

btw, the sunderer can carry 2 MAX's atleast

[Lillemanden]

btw, the sunderer can carry 2 MAX's atleast
Fact or guess?
I don't think the capacity have been released for the Sunderer, so could you atleast but an "IMO" in front, thx.

[Zatrais]

Download the heavy_dismount vid... wouldn't make sense for the vehicle in that vid to be asymetrical. It's fairly certain that the sunderer can carry atleast 2 MAX's. Because a.) that vehicle isn't the sunderer and can carry 1 MAX, then it would only be logical for full squad APC be to be able to carry 2 MAX's. b.) that vehicle is the sunderer and it looks to be completely the same on the other side whit room for a MAX.

Edit: i forgott to add that the Galaxy is classified as a full troop transport, so is the Sunderer. The galaxy can carry 2 MAX's, so it's also logical that the Sunderer has the same carry capacity minus perhaps a gunner and the vehicle

[Hamma]

The galaxy isnt black, I think that was dusk or somthing, or just the screenshot is the suck.

[Airlift]

too bad! That paint scheme on the galaxy would have settled my empire decision in TR's favor.

[Sputty]

That would be cool but too hard to see in the dark...They' be able to move 20 Galaxies back and forth before someone noticed the hundreds of troops everywhere..

[Navaron]

Im sorry but did you see how frikkin big that thing is? Theres no way you'd miss that thing even if it was pitch black - or could even follow the same cloaking rules as an infiltrator. IT'S HUGE!!!

[Sputty]

How can that thing only hold 15 people at max? I mean really. Modern planes that are smaller than that...like the 747..hehe...can hold hundreds...weird...JK..I think 747 is bigger than that but still..it is huge

[BLuE_ZeRO]

For the sake of discussion I was wondering something...

Instead of something like auto-hover if a pilot for some reason or another has to bail out or disconnect from server or something, why couldn't you make it available for someone else to pilot the vehicle? Like have someone jump in from the back or something (assuming they have a proper cert) As fun as it would be to have the galaxy slowly land instead of crashing you're still stuck wherever you are unless you have another pilot handy. Why not just make it easier and let him jump in at any moments notice? :rolleyes:

[Moloch]

How do you know you can't have a replacement pilot? noone has given us an inside pic of the galaxy, maybe the cockpit opens into the troop bay. Btw, is that guy in the pic standing on the galaxy or in its shadow? Everything has a purple tinge (notice the sky and the upper window on his HUD) so the pic is not a good one. Also, if he is standing on it, that thing would have a hard time landing anywhere. Alzo, it might be that armor, engine, vehicle, and MAX space takes up alot of its bulk.
Anywayz, dat ting is HUGE:evildrop: :O_O:

[Hamma]

I dont think you can jump seats.. there is no true "Bay" but there are compartments on the sides of the craft you get into for transport. The biggest of which fits a vehicel.

[Sandtaco]

When you get into one of those compartments, can you see out of the ship or no?

[Incompetent]

your stuck in third

[Lillemanden]

@ Zatrais
That sounds right. Hadn't thought of that.
I apologize for the tone in my previous post :thumbsup:

[Zatrais]

It's no problem :)

[Moloch]

Hamma,
Is that pic a real pic of the galaxy? You've seen one so can you verify. Also, if the guy standing on it is that tiny, it should be able to carry more than 15! Alzo, what about that person's question about it being black? I thought they were all grey.:confused:

[Sputty]

They are all grey. Read further back into the thread to answer your own question.

[Lillemanden]

hehe I like your signature BLuE_ZeRO ;)
Nice one.

[Hamma]

what pic? :confused:

[Sputty]

The werid pic of a black galaxy

[Hamma]

that is a galaxy alright, its just the lighting I think that is making it look black.. or just a tweaked screenshot.

[Sputty]

Is it that big or is tht just the massive wingspan making it look big? We can't see the hold at all.

[Moloch]

judging by Guardian Angel's sig, just the wingspan, and it doesn't exyend far past the bottom of the screen.

[Guardian AngeL]

ya something must be wrong with that black galaxy pic

[Moloch]

Who asked you? :)

This useless post goes to: Moloch's Avatar Post Stash

[afex]

the black galaxy is just the terran version.

watch the gamespot interview to see more of it

[Zatrais]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/image.php?picid=20032&filetype=jpg

take a good look, there ya see how big the Galaxy is compared to a trooper... it's BIIG, kinda like a mini hercules hehe

[Hamma]

The galaxy is indeed huge, you have to be able to walk under the wing in order to get in.. and its pretty high above your head heh