Core Combat to Early? Or just in time?

[RexDent]

Seriously curious about the overall perspective of the game in its current form and then a expansion being announced.

Especially when this comment comes from the Gamespot Review :

No set timeframe for most of the smaller, non-expansion changes has been given, but PlanetSide: Core Combat will be available both as a retail product and as a purchasable download this October.

Now that pretty much shows how much work is going into the Expansion when they can do everything for it and get it released on a timeline but then the Enhancements to the game that have been announced since Release or Beta get pushed down by the LLU system on the priority list and then now the expansion is pretty much going to be completely focused on CTF Game style. :confused:

Plus this will add up to about $130.00 for a game in 5 months. That is taking into account that the Expansion will be 29.99. But we shall see.

[Sputty]

I don't see how they're completely ignoring the main game. They're still releasing the patches and they're still bringing out all the stuff they promised without any Xpacks.

[Squick]

Nice totally objective wording on your choices...

[EarlyDawn]

Originally posted by Squick
Nice totally objective wording on your choices... Watch out, last time I objected on a biased poll, Navaron tried to break me in half :rolleyes:

[RexDent]

Bah I didn't change the number of choices lol.

So I made 2 good 2 bad. Awesome, good, bad, suck. Most of the wording is just from 4 different postings I have seen.

[SandTrout]

Platoons, Facility benifits, some bug that keeps continents from being locked, and then the lock doesnt work is a logical or reasonable manner. Things we were promised Pre-beta still on the wishlist.

[321]

I think it sounds awesome

[Lonehunter]

PLATOONS! Where are the Platonns!?!?!

[ghost018]

Well I wouldn't go so far as to say that they had the entire staff working on the expansion. SprokFire has replied to the know-it-all morons in the Official Forums that share your feelings with the painful truth that they've recently hired a lot more "devs" onto the team specifically for Core Combat. Think about it, even if they did devote the originals to it, what exactly is planned for the expansion? Basically a lot of new artwork.

ghost

[BigTexas]

I say that we wont see any real effort towards fixing the all the bugs in the game until one of the following happens: A) The expansion comes out and produces enough revenue that for the time being SOE is confident that players will be happy with the ammount of content in the game, so the developement team feels free to work on bug fixes. B) The subscriber base levels off, or begins to increase steadily, meaning its possible that Planetside may still prove to be a profitable endeavor after all. C) All the current subscribers decide to subscribe long term and invest a boat load of money into the game, once again making Planetside worth the work.

Its all about money, and whatever makes Sony money, is whats gonna get the bugs fixed. Hey maybe if we all sent SOE $5 along with a note that said, "Heres 5 bucks, now fix the bugs in Planetside you punk ass bitches," except much more politely. Either that or we just all form a mob and head down to Sony headquarters, where we will hold the developers at gunpoint until all the bugs are fixed. :p

[Mejwell]

I'm terribly disappointed that they didn't even decide to implement all the features that they plan to include in the MAIN game before they announced an expansion pack. That's like adding a satellite dish to a skyscraper that doesn't even have a solid foundation yet.

[ghost018]

Something I don't understand is the arguement people keep bringing up about what hasn't been implemented yet. I consider "the building" to be the disc I got out of the box back in May. There's a general lack of understanding when it comes to Additional Content. Planetside will always receive new features via patches; they're called Future Plans for a reason. Sure, it may be taking longer than expected, but look at everything they have done to the game since release. Countless weapon balancing patches have gone into affect, Command Features, Liberator, Skyguard, and a new base capture system which serves to change up the gameplay so many of you felt was monotonous prior to the patch. Now that the LLU has been released though, it's suddenly a bad idea to add variety. "What the fuck were they thinking? This is just bullshit. They actually listened to us when we said we were getting bored and they have the gaul to try and improve! How dare they!" I've yet to see any educated post regarding what exactly is wrong with the LLU system, mainly just a bunch of immature players threatening to cancel their subscription over something they don't understand.

So many people fear change....you know something though? It really isn't all that bad.

ghost

[Aegis]

Firstly, i think the expansion sounds great.

BUT

They should sort out all the other problems with the game first, most importantly the CTD and then all the bugs and THEN the things that were meant to be in at release. Pretty sly trying to sell an expansion to what still plays like a beta.

[Javenn]

Mabe in the expansion they fix all those problems :lol:

[Navaron]

Originally posted by LNS0388
Watch out, last time I objected on a biased poll, Navaron tried to break me in half :rolleyes:

Wasn't me, I could give a shit less about biased polls.

[MrVulcan]

*i posted this in another thread, but it goes here too*

argh.....

I cant belive that they are creating an expansion so soon. I belive that everything in it should be free, weve already given them too much money, and have gotten almost no new content for it.

*no, the llu was an idea they had back when the game released, if you remember the 1st time the doc was posted about it it had a may (i think) date on it, so they planed to do that since the start.*

*also, i do not belive that 2 vechs are much of anything, there should be a new vech/weapon of the week, and a new map of the month/every other month*

I dont know about you guys, but i feel ripped off, and they will have to do a major sales job to get me to buy the expansion after ive already given them soo much money for so little return.

[00AgentDuck]

I agree totally with ya ghost:thumbsup:

[EarlyDawn]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
Wasn't me, I could give a shit less about biased polls. You're probably rght, my mistake.:love:

[RexDent]

How exactly is this poll biased? You have 4 Options, I WILL buy, I MIGHT buy, IF this happens I will buy, Hell no I won't buy.

Seems like each option is there.

[ghost018]

Originally posted by MrVulcan
I've already given them soo much money for so little return.

People make it sound as if they're paying primarily to get new stuff in the game and not for the actual game itself. Sorry to burst this bubble so many of you are in guys, but once they add in the new content they promise.... it's still going to be the exact same game! People talk like the content is going to drastically modify the way Planetside is played. Well, it won't. Basically now, many people use Platoon chat by typing /o. We can't forget about the Loadstar though, we all know that the game is nothing without a ship that can transport tanks!

The only thing that has changed the way we've played the game is the LLU, and most people won't even give it a chance.

ghost

[Canon]

I'm unsure whether I will buy the expansion or not...

Right now I've spent just over $130 Canadian to get this game for 4 months only... I have to pay a subscription fee every month (i'm getting cards so they get it all up front anyhow...) and I admit I do see gradual change etc.

I was just very dissapointed in SOE when they put a price tag on this expansion. The way they were talking about it it was like an add on so you can either be above or bellow level and use both weapons/vehicles etc. I really thought my subscription every month would be able to cover that.

My decision will be based on, a) how many friends are still playing the game by that point and b) that it's reasonably priced and comes with like a free month or something. SOE has to make this game reachable to most people and it takes a nice internet connection and computer to start with so I hope they don't plan to continue throwing in hidden fees...

The game is fun and the LLC has changed things. It really has eliminated hanging out at the bases waiting for the hack and has livened the game up so right now it's cool with me.

[RexDent]

Ghost, not even LLU is a major change. It is a mobile CC for 10 minutes or less. That's it. If you really think that no changes can be made to actually make this game HUGE then you are shortsighted. There are many things they could do but they have skipped over them.

It doesn't help the fact that they use the first 3 months in development after release to introduce a gameplay option that will prepare the community for an "Expansion" and bypass all of the enhancements that have been on the website for 3 months an then some. Some of those improvements have been announced since beta. People have been awaiting such improvements to the game that they already purchased.

Now they are focusing most of everything torwards the Expansion and leaving the original game to just balancing and bug fixing which is a common sense thing that goes to maintaining the game in the first place. NOT to Improving the Gameplay of it.

Balance and Bugs are just fixing what you have. There is a difference from Fixing and Improving.

They have done more fixing because of so many problems and there are still problems that need fixing and there are still problems in the gameplay that need improved.

But they prioritized an new money expansion over the product that they have already been paid for. That is not a wise decision in "Smart" Consumers eyes.

[ghost018]

You're completely right. The Future Plans should be called the WTFrIgHtNoW plans. Obviously you didn't read what I've posted before about the number of "devs" hired onto the team specifically for Core Combat. Go to the official forums and check out the Dev tracker if you want to hear SporkFire say it. The "smart" consumer would understand that the Expansion will be released in a little over a months time, where as patched in content is given to us every month. Think hard, this next part may be a little tricky for you to understand.... Core Combat isn't the end of the additional content.

ghost

[Sputty]

I think they're stuck thinking "OMFG! y r teh soes stelin mi $$$$$s!!!1111"

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by ghost018
People make it sound as if they're paying primarily to get new stuff in the game and not for the actual game itself. Sorry to burst this bubble so many of you are in guys, but once they add in the new content they promise.... it's still going to be the exact same game! People talk like the content is going to drastically modify the way Planetside is played. Well, it won't. Basically now, many people use Platoon chat by typing /o. We can't forget about the Loadstar though, we all know that the game is nothing without a ship that can transport tanks!

The only thing that has changed the way we've played the game is the LLU, and most people won't even give it a chance.

ghost



*please note that this is not meant to be a rant, or to dissrespect anyone or anything. I am just tired of SOE, and feel very ripped, esp after being such a strong supporter of PS for a very long time now ;) *

im just tired of giving SOE this much money each month with out a lot of new content/fixing of bugs. $13 a month is a lot of money, plus the 50 to start and now they want another 30? thats bogus.

I know that the new content will not make the game a new game, but it helps keep it fun. Look at the other games that keep people playing time and time again, most of them are only still fun due to the mods and addons that keep being produced for them (mostly by the fan base). Since the only way you get new things in this game is via SOE, I expect to get them, esp if I pay $13 a month for it *It does not cost them $13 a month to keep the servers running and a min staff for them, that costs about $6 if I remember right *will check**.

As for the llu, in my eyes, its a failure. It dosnt stop the problems presented (waiting at the cc since you still have to guard it), and IMHO I dont even think it was meant to. they were planning to add that in since may and now we learn that one of the major reasons for that is for the expansion. Thus they didnt do what the fan base wanted, they did what they wanted.

Ive just reached the point where I do not feel like I am getitng my money's worth out of the game, the weapons and vechs are getting stale, and the game play is getting old.

Do you actually think that this game right now is worth the almost $100 you have speant on it, only to be told that if you want to keep playing with the new toys you need to spend anohter 30+monthly charge. (total game price when exp comes out about $135)

[ghost018]

Whether you expand or not, you'll be able to use the new weapons and vehicles. The ability to travel into the caverns though, that won't be an option for people who haven't expanded. Nobody is forcing you to buy the expansion, nor are they seriously limiting those who don't, so I don't buy the whole ripped off angle. Again, just because they've started working on this in no way means the other free content won't be given to us. Comparing the patches to an expansion pack is like saying a Corvette is just a car. In reality, the added combat areas the expansion has to offer could survive alone as an entirely different game, thus a price is placed on it.

About the LLU, try riding in or escorting the LLU caravan. There's so much more to base captures now than the timer. Sure, it's still important that the CC is defended, but you have the option to leave the SOI and still be a part of the battle. A failure? I think not. In fact, I think it's a success. Before the LLU was even revealed to the public, they promised us objectives that would require us to leave the base and begin fighting over the landscape they've created for that very purpose. They've delivered.

ghost

[snypz]

A failure? I think not. In fact, I think it's a success.

it's not a success if right when u come out with it 40% of the players hate it and r threating to take there money somewhere else

[ghost018]

Again I ask where you pulled 40% from. And again, I note the fact that threats are made by those that have the inability to do anything else.

ghost

[snypz]

if u haven't noticed the populations r goin down

[ghost018]

I haven't noticed actually. Maybe you and the five friends you had didn't make such a big impact as you thought they would?

ghost :P~

[RexDent]

Everyone knows that the Expansion is not the "End" of enhancements for the original game. You act like people that have a legitimate complaint don't know anything.

Just look at the damn progress of the game since release.

1 Aircraft
1 Buggy
1 Gameplay enhancement(Actually just to prepare the community for an Expansion, and not a true game enhancement)

The rest?
Bug fixes
Balance issues

Those 2 things are NOT Enhancements. Those are "FIXES" for the game and not content or updates.

Now if you really think that this game is complete enough to warrant a 50 dollar purchase and 13 dollars a month with only 3 implementations into the game in 3 months when so much is lacking then hey, More power to you.

But there is Absolutly NO way that you can tell other people that they should not be aggrevated about this. I can tell you right now that all of the "Smart" Consumers are going to be gone. All of the people that are left are the ones that pay money for Promises and Delayed action.

Also if you actually believe that they hired more DEVs on the team just for the expansion "Prior" to devoting people to it and neglecting their already released product you are Naive. The Game has seen extremely low attention especially for the first 3 months of release. And with the Expansion announcement you can do nothing but come to the conclusion that "That" is what they have been doing and focusing most of their attention on.

There is just simply no denying it with only 3 enhancements to the game and a list that is becoming a mile long of things that are actually "Needed" within the game like yesterday.

[snypz]

acctually the populations have been goin down slightly everyday :P~



snypz(i'm cool now):rolleyes:

[ghost018]

Again I'll go back to what's been said before. The addition of Platoons and the Loadstar aren't going to change gameplay. The expansion will. There's no reason to be upset over something nobody is forcing you to purchase, but rather gives those who don't equal share in the new toys. I question how many MMO's you've played, because you sound like the typical FPS player. What position do you hold with Sony Online Entertainment? Who are you to say they haven't hired on more staffing for the Expansion? I can't speak for everyone, but I'd take the official word over yours any day of the week.

News flash, CS/MoH/BF1942/Renegade/etc. aren't exactly free either. From a good provider, a 16 person gaming server is $40 a month to rent at best, nearly three times the monthly subscription fee from Planetside. Ontop of that, the only new content these games receive are mods made by the communitiy, and if they're lucky an Expansion with a bunch of minor additions.

Count on one hand how many months the game has been out. Then figure in the number of content patches we've received. It equals out and lives up to what they've told us about monthly additions.

ghost

[snypz]

But there is Absolutly NO way that you can tell other people that they should not be aggrevated about this. I can tell you right now that all of the "Smart" Consumers are going to be gone. All of the people that are left are the ones that pay money for Promises and Delayed action.

HELL YA!:thumbsup:



Snypz:D

[RexDent]

Continental Benefits, Facility Benefits wouldn't change Gameplay? Oh ya you just mentioned the only 2 things that would meet your agenda.

Platoons and Lodestar. Your right they wouldn't change the game. Lodestar is Contnet, and platoon is a communication tool that will show more people Waypoints. Not just a chat function. If it was just a chat function it would be stupid. It's for organization in a "Team" Game. Things like this neglected for LLU and an Expansion are ludicrous.

And you don't have to take my "Word" for it that the DEV's have been working on the expansion and not on the game we have already purchased. Just take your blinders off and take a look at what has changed. Pretty much nothing. Game is still lacking any Longevity and they are banking on the Expansion which turns the game more into CTF. Turning more and more away from Empire individuality with common pool weapons, and more and more away from the Global "War" aspect and going torwards the goofy feel of CTF and other things.

Probably because they have lost so many customers because the basicness of the "war" aspect wasn't working because it needed more to make it good. Now they are turning back to CTF and old Tribes bs that worked for that game in hopes it will work for this one. Sadly

[snypz]

rex, i'm with u all the way, ghost has been the biggest mother fuckin big shot who thinks he knows everything scince i started comin here, finally someone can shut him up, thanks

[ghost018]

Originally posted by RexDent
Oh ya you just mentioned the only 2 things that would meet your agenda.

No actually, I just mentioned the two things people are complaining about. The only idea they've told us they intend to add in a patch that would drastically change how one plays Planetside would be Sanctuary Strikes, something few people have yet to bitch about...but I'm sure it'll pick up closer to it's implementation.

When an Outfit has enough players on to fill three squads, I dare say that it walks hand in hand with a previously scheduled Mission. In which case, the actual battleplans are discussed and finalized before the game is even turned on. After that, it's up to the Squadleader to do his or her job and direct their forces based on what happens in relation to what was planned. I won't even mention the situation of three random squads in the sanctuary linking up for the mere purpose of starting a Platoon, because I'm willing to bet that would end in more problems than it's worth. The "Too many Chiefs, Not enough Indians" idea.

We can dance rhetorical circles around each other for days when it comes to our opinion of the LLU/CTF idea or the fulfillment of monthly additions. I've already stated my point regarding this and have found that many agree with me. I have no reason to reword myself for the sake of arguement.

Your move.

ghost

PS:
Originally posted by snypz
ghost has been the biggest mother fuckin big shot who thinks he knows everything scince i started comin here

No, I've been putting noobs in their place and sticking up for those that have created the very game we enjoy long before you ever wandered onto this website and will continue to do so long after you're gone.

[RexDent]

ya, it's pretty sad that they think the only enhancement they can put into the game that will change the way people play is Sanctuary strikes. If that is all they think that will help they need to step aside and let someone else take the reign.

The other enhancements would work torwards pushing everyone to a common goal. ALL of which is lacking.

They built this game thinking that people would just enjoy to run back and forth as a DM match with COF's on weapons. Sadly they see now that this game is not built well enough to be an MMO. That is apparent with most servers being able to get 3 dots on a server on the best days. But it is normally 1 or 2 dots on each server at all times.

If they turned their focus onto the major problems in the game this game could absolutly "Huge" but they are still not working torward that goal.

Their whole goal now is just pump out an Expansion pack to try and draw some more money. Since more then half the population has bailed.

[EarlyDawn]

Here's my thoughts on the matter: I am the biggest advocate for corporate honesty you'll ever meet, and if I felt something was wrong her, I'd bitch, moan, and threaten till I passed out. However, I really don't think it's the scam it's being made out to be.

Spork has said that there's several teams, one for bug fixes, one for new content, and with the information that circling, I wouldn't be suprised if there's now one for expansions, or at least one forming, since SOE is hiring. I think we'll see the speed of work in all departments as more talented programmers and designers enlist with SOE.

[ghost018]

The only real thing I would like to see addressed is Outfit competions. Other than that, I'm happy with every minute I spend in the game.

ghost

[Veteran]

I'd expect this kind of buffoonery from the OF, but not here. To qualify my following points, I'm psyched about the expansion.

1) I and many, many players derive a full measure of satisfaction from the game despite its superficial flaws. There will be superficial flaws after the expansion. We'll live.

2) More people threaten to quit than actually do quit, much like threatened suicides. Once enough of these fakers find a forum, an illusory sense of inertia is formed. Don't worry, though, it's a mere exercise in futility.

3) 90%+ of those who express bitter resentment have already played more happy hours of Planetside than they care to admit.

4) People get paid to try to sabotage this game. If you're not one of them and all you can do is express resentment or hatred, you're working for free.

5) Show this game to a group of new players and ask them if they think the content is skimpy. You know it: they'll be learning the game for months, and happily I suspect. Just because you've already sunk countless man-hours into this game and learned its every secret doesn't mean the game is at fault. Find ways to keep it fresh or move along.

6) You've probably paid more for breath mints or porno sites since launch than the whole cost of the expansion. Believe me when I say the majority of players consider it a privilege to be able to purchase an expansion, not an imposition.

If you don't have an adequate computer or internet connection to play this game, upgrade or find a less intense experience. Your so-called 'lucid and valid' criticisms, when expressed angrily or with implied threats, are nothing but hot air.

That is all.

[RexDent]

Actually, atleast for me, I saw much promise in this game. But since release I haven't spent much time playing. Just off and on every once in awhile. Mostly just play on the test server during the official tests to see what they are doing and if it is even noteworthy.

But That potential has steadily gotten less and less since release. Just the focus showed torwards the game by the devs has been seriously lacking.

Forgive me if I sound pissed when I post about some of these things. But Mainly I was just giving my opinion and listing a poll to see what people thought about it. See if maybe I was being a little to harsh on the lack of effort I have seen. I guess it's just me that has seen a complete lack of attention paid to a product that costs more then any other game that can "stand alone".

It's bad when you need an expansion 5 months after a game is released to make it good. SOE better stick to MMO's cause they couldn't release a decent stand alone game. And most MMO's first release "can" stand alone. they just expand off a good foundation which is lacking here because of lack of "Follow-Through"

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by ghost018
Again I'll go back to what's been said before. The addition of Platoons and the Loadstar aren't going to change gameplay. The expansion will. There's no reason to be upset over something nobody is forcing you to purchase, but rather gives those who don't equal share in the new toys. I question how many MMO's you've played, because you sound like the typical FPS player. What position do you hold with Sony Online Entertainment? Who are you to say they haven't hired on more staffing for the Expansion? I can't speak for everyone, but I'd take the official word over yours any day of the week.

News flash, CS/MoH/BF1942/Renegade/etc. aren't exactly free either. From a good provider, a 16 person gaming server is $40 a month to rent at best, nearly three times the monthly subscription fee from Planetside. Ontop of that, the only new content these games receive are mods made by the communitiy, and if they're lucky an Expansion with a bunch of minor additions.

Count on one hand how many months the game has been out. Then figure in the number of content patches we've received. It equals out and lives up to what they've told us about monthly additions.

ghost

well, for starters, I know that if they were actually putting their time into the game, they would have much much more done. This is about the amount of work 2 people working full itme can do, not a full teem. *this number is from experiance in working a great deal creating mods for games*

also, I dont know where you get the $40 deal, most servers I know *including my own when I run it* are run from a spare comp tied on the same network as my normal comp, dosnt cost me anything. ;)

Ive modded several games, it takes 1 person about 1 week to add a basic new toy to a fps assuming the devs never planed on adding much, nor really support the addons much.
*This plus the bug fixes they are working on is about a 2 man teem working on it for the amount they have produced. *

Also, if they planed on adding things to the game they should have a easy way to copy-paste existing code from 1 toy to another, with a diff model location. IE: the liberator: take the gal, remove passangers/1 gunner scripts, change weapon dmg type/ROF, model location, menu#, and there you go, a liberator is born with a couple hours work.

[ghost018]

Not everyone has an extra computer and an internet connection reliable enough to run a 24/7 server that provides it's players with good pings. All of the clans I've been in for other games have all rented their servers out with donations from it's members and if you need evidence of providers let me know, I'll get a list of websites you can visit.

This is going to be my last post in this thread, for I'm getting bored of dealing with the same arguements over and over and over again.

ghost

[RexDent]

Shouldn't have bothered with an arguement in the first place Ghost. Either you are going to buy it or you aren't that is the purpose of the poll.

[Navaron]

From the press release "PlanetSide is growing everyday..." :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

These guys really are on their own little planet. Maybe we can see the SOE dev team on the 28th when Mars is closer.

[Lonehunter]

I thought that was the 27th

[Navaron]

It's actually like 4 days I think, and for some reason I was thinking it was most visible to me on the 28th, but you might be right.