I hate the MagRider

[Veteran]

I'm not a hateful person, nor am I angered by much at all in Planetside, but I hate the MagRider more than stepping in cat puke.

1: The strafing action and hitbox issues of the MagRider are nothing but abusive under a Client-Side Hit-Detection system.

2: The MagRider is the only tank that is effective enough to be worth 3 credits when driven without a gunner.

3: The damnable MagRider is the premier hovercraft for delivering the LLU, forcing enemy forces to patrol an entire beach instead of waiting at predictable bridge-crossings.

4: Who the hell would take Lightning over MagRider for the same credits? Before you answer, I'm sure there are some of you, I just don't get it.

I certainly can't blame you guys who drive this tank, anyone with half a brain would jump at the chance. This isn't a petition to make changes to this tank's design; I suspect those changes will be made in due course.

/venting steam

[Xxzard]

i Agree MMMAAAGGGMMMOOOWWWEEERRR!!!!!!!!:p :p :p

[Spider]

I personally like it :o

[Sputty]

But..You're a Vanu

[Ghost06]

I still prefer to one-shot infantry from 100 meters away, thank you very much.

[Spider]

Originally posted by Sputty
But..You're a Vanu

:lol: I forgot about that :p

But I have sniping too :o So I'm not that big of a mag whore... I can stand long enough thought. (one of my mags lasted a whole session: 4 hours)

[Eliaas_Demens]

This is actually a new form of warfare. Rather than defeating the Vanu on the battlefield, these people have choosen to defeat them outside the game by stripping them of their best gear. "wtf Quasar is too powerful", "Lasher needs nerfing! omg!", and now "Magmower runs me over too easy!"

Way to be tactical!

[Warborn]

Originally posted by Eliaas_Demens
This is actually a new form of warfare. Rather than defeating the Vanu on the battlefield, these people have choosen to defeat them outside the game by stripping them of their best gear. "wtf Quasar is too powerful", "Lasher needs nerfing! omg!", and now "Magmower runs me over too easy!"

Way to be tactical!

Just because you're ignorant of problems with the game doesn't mean the problems don't exist. While I'm not saying that absolutely all game balance changes ever conducted on PS have been completely justified and done with the utmost of precision, but at least two of the issues you mocked in your statement -- the MagRider certainly being one -- were or are genuine issues. If you cannot realize that, it's a failure on your part to stay objective in your assessment of the game, nothing more.

[WhiteBear]

Yeah...what -he- said...

Step awayyyy from the easy kills, stop being greedy, and observe. You'll become slightly enlightened, I promise.

[Ravenblade]

OMG, u people have problems! If you don't stop whining and complaining, there's probably not going to be any VS left! I should start a forum to whine about the Vanguard, Jackhammer, Prowler and Chaingun to get them nerfed so everything can be even again! OMG! :sniper:

[Cease]

This is actually a new form of warfare. Rather than defeating the Vanu on the battlefield, these people have choosen to defeat them outside the game by stripping them of their best gear.

And the Vanu counter to this is to downplay all their strengths and stake claims of inferior weaponry.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by Veteran
3: The damnable MagRider is the premier hovercraft for delivering the LLU, forcing enemy forces to patrol an entire beach instead of waiting at predictable bridge-crossings.
I never thought about that. Good thing not all the bases have the LLU :)

[Diviant]

I just think the NC and TR empires got used to being overpowered and now that they aren't, they must nerf everything to get back to that status.

[Lonehunter]

The TR have never been used to being overpowered becouse they never where.

Edit: Ok, in the beginning the pounder was a little overpowered, but that's fixed now.

[noxious]

Apparently you have not been around very long. There was a time when minichaingun > everything else... pounder max > everything else...

[Cease]

Was this all of this TR overpowering before or after Beta?

[Veteran]

For the record, despite my attempts to present this thread as my opinion, and with minimal "whining", VS representatives have turned it into an opportunity to propagandize their illusory "weakness". This display of partisanship makes me wonder how many VS feel that without at least one over-powered asset, they will be swept forever from the face of Auraxis.

I know it's fun to play the underdog. Now that the developers have repeatedly increased the strength of VS assets, and the underdog role is lost, perhaps it's natural that some resentment would be generated.

I'm willing to bet that there are some top calibur VS who get a chuckle out of their brethren who insist that they are the weakest empire.

/still hates MagRider

[Eliaas_Demens]

Most of us do not declare VS as the weak empire. But it does certainly piss us off that our 'overpowered' tools are constantly under attack, while the other empires flaunt and strut their Jackhammers, Prowlers, and Pounders all they wish. It's as if VC and TR are so surprised and blown away by the fact that a VS killed them, there must be something clearly wrong with the game balance.

Fix the hit box on the Vanguard while you fix the Magrider. We'll see how fair you feel that is.

Honestly, what are the VS strengths now? The Armor piercing fire on our weaker weapons that does jack and shit versus anything that isn't already smoking? The hover ability that you claim trivializes the LLU system, even though while over water, Vanu vehicles are extremely slow and vulnerable to the many Reavers in the sky? A Heavy Assult weapon that's only effective at close ranges, which is quickly decimated by the Jackhammer? Could someone please inform me of one decent Vanu-only cert that a TR or NC would take over their own cert?

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by noxious
Apparently you have not been around very long. There was a time when minichaingun > everything else... pounder max > everything else...
No, it was
minichaingun > everybody with no skill
pounder max > everybody with no skill

People would complain so much they would just think, "Aww who cares, it's overpowered any way, I can't beat that."

[SumYungGui]

ZOMFG, VANU R HAVING SOMTHINNG THAT BE USEFUL WIT LLU AND HAVE A ADVANTUGE NOW!!!!1111oneone

hitbox on magrider is no more screwed up than the other vehicles in this game strictly BECAUSE of client side hit detection. there_is_no_difference_between_them. it's client side hit detection screwing up everyone's perceptions of the game, and the magrider's strafing ability to assure you get in that last little bit to the left to hit the guy as you see him running on your screen.

ya know, I read somewhere that you should say something three times during a discussion to be sure that the other person remembers it. in that vein, it's client side hit detection.

quit pissing and moaning, even if it is a rant as you said, now that the VS are starting to have a chance in this game. we were the whipping bitches for far too long. deal with it. if anything, the number of (cough cough) 'buffs' we've recieved should indicate that we WERE underpowered.

[EarlyDawn]

Originally posted by Warborn
Just because you're ignorant of problems with the game doesn't mean the problems don't exist. While I'm not saying that absolutely all game balance changes ever conducted on PS have been completely justified and done with the utmost of precision, but at least two of the issues you mocked in your statement -- the MagRider certainly being one -- were or are genuine issues. If you cannot realize that, it's a failure on your part to stay objective in your assessment of the game, nothing more. And the soldier named Warborn drops the bomb called truth on the poor Vanu's head. :D

[Eliaas_Demens]

Truth? Possibly. The Magrider may be overpowered. But my point entirely is that there are other fires to be put out. The Vanu have a single overpowered advantage, and it's under attack by those who have several.

[noxious]

Not to mention that weather or not we are once again underdogs asset wise, we are, without question, underdogs numerically. All the lasher llama's went back to their respective factions, and we're fighting an uphill battle. :( I hope things even out in a week or two, because it's really frustrating when we're winning no where.

[Slice]

There is one thing that I still find hilarious: Although the Vanu are almost always needed on every server, I STILL find myself being zerged out the ass by those damn barneys! It's actually a lot of fun, even if you do get beaten back to one base before the zerg logs. Magrider is fine, and here is a solution about the LLU that makes sense to me: The LLU already screws up top speed, why not have it screw up the floating thing of deliverers, magriders, and threshers over water? Also, I do think that some of the Vanu overplay their weaknesses, but some of them still have a valid point. But here is a question for them: What about the lancer? Best AI/AV weapon in the game! Sure, you have to lead em, but when you're lagging and the damn thing fires 3 shots at once, it makes it tough to dodge. 3 hits > reinforced
Well, I say leave everything the way it is, it all seems perfectly balanced to me. And being TR, I have one thing to say: HOW THE FUCK ARE WE OVERPOWERED?!?!!? Thank you.

[Kaltagesta]

Originally posted by Eliaas_Demens
Honestly, what are the VS strengths now? The Armor piercing fire on our weaker weapons that does jack and shit versus anything that isn't already smoking? The hover ability that you claim trivializes the LLU system, even though while over water, Vanu vehicles are extremely slow and vulnerable to the many Reavers in the sky? A Heavy Assult weapon that's only effective at close ranges, which is quickly decimated by the Jackhammer? Could someone please inform me of one decent Vanu-only cert that a TR or NC would take over their own cert?

the AA max, dur

[Eliaas_Demens]

What about the lancer? Best AI/AV weapon in the game!

Not. I used a Lancer for quite some time. The *only* strength it has is it's ability to be used against infantry. A lancer can't hit a retreating tank from a mile away, behind a friggin' mountain.

the AA MAX? You're kidding right? The Sparrow and Buster own the Starfire hard. And even if they didn't, is that the advantage we get? Our HA sucks, our tank is declared overpowered, our AV has no tracking, and our hover crafts are suddenly viewed as unfair advantages. But our AA kills Reavers a couple seconds quicker!