Deci vs. Max

[dscytherulez]

Ok...I just went through a very heated discussion of the Deci vs. Pounder max. I myself have taken down many a' maxs with my deci, INCLUDING THE POUNDER...but for some reason...ppl seem to think that no matter what, an encounter with the pounder=death for neone, including my deci. I dunno, maybe theyre right, maybe i did get lucky those 40-50 some times, honestly i think the deci would win a bit more but all together its somewhat even, whats ur opinion on the 2?

BTW: Range- Very close to medium
Health & Armor- Both at max
*Excluding any special implants or maxs with personal engineers*

[Flammey]

Never used a Pounder, mainly because I've Been Vanu almost since I started playing. So I don't know how it handles. I do know that I've gone up against a Pounder many a times. I hate them in battle, but I have survived an encounter with them, without the Decimator. Simply stay behind them. Not exactly easy, considering the lag time, and being killed even when behind them. I wonder if they get hurt by their own bullets like the Comet does. I think that if they don't, they should. I mean a soldier gets hurt by his own 'nades, a Comet gets hurt by it's own plasma. As for Deci vs Pounder, I just recently got my Spec Assault cert, and even before that I've been killed by 2 Deci shots. I'd say the Decimator would win hands down in the right hands. Even in a wide open plain. Mainly because the soldier is constantly moving, where as, from what I've seen, Most MAX's don't move much. Only the VS MAX's have the upper hand against a Decimator, as When I was in one, I tended to jump and move. I've never been hit with a Decimator when i do that, especially if the area is wide open.

So, to your original question, Deci VS Pounder, Deci, hands down, always.

Flammey - Emerald

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[321]

I've never used a Pounder before since I'm NC but I've seen them a lot and I have destroyed and have been killed by them. So I can't really decide, I would have to try out the Pounder first.

[ghost018]

Unfortunately, the Pounder (or any MAX unit from any Empire) isn't all it's made out to be. Depending on the situation, the Decimator could usually win if they go about it the right way.

ghost

[SumYungGui]

my single biggest complaint with the pounder is it's grenades. AoE splash on a MAX? hardly fair when only one empire has such a thing. then the icing on the cake is the secondary bounce mode. that's just fucking wrong. plop it down at the top of a tower, turn on audio amp, and nobody but nobody is getting near him unless he says they can. all the decis in the world don't do shit when you're dead around the corner and never get a shot off. the damage is kosher for an anti-infantry MAX. how and where it delivers that damage is my complaint.

[Mejwell]

I only have rudimentary experience with Decimators, so I can't really make a jusgement. I think that, given the circumstances and my knowledge, the win ratio would be about even.

Pounders are very much overrated in the eyes of the enemy. I play with the New Conglomerate; I can say that I have an objective viewpoint. And with the most recent Pounder balancing changes (which took place a while back), it has most definitely been knocked down from "weapon of mass destruction" to "weapon of MAX destruction". All in all, it's about as difficult to fight as any other MAX armor in the game (on average). As a grunt, is it difficult to survive against a Pounder? Yes. But I believe that it's just as difficult to survive versus a Quasar/Scattercannon who's a good shot.

[Aegis]

Pounders are also good VS other MAXs, tried one out yesterday and anchored with my back and sides in a corner covering the main door of a base which was being attacked by an NC Zerg, i killed 3 NC MAXs and 11 NC infantry, the fourth MAX got me by MAX running at me then shooting me with scattercannon (tecnically i got myself from grenade damage) But that was without repairs, so they are bloody effective if used right. For tower and base defence they are great. Pretty good against vehicles too if you get chance.

However, Pounders are sitting ducks for reavers, almost impossible to hit a reaver with a pounder if it keeps strafing.

[Everay]

Sun Tsu says that you should use your enviorment to aid you in battle, and the surroundings do affect the outcome of the battle, it is what he called "Earth" i think, anyways, this works in PS too a Pounder Vs Deci in a hallway, pounder wins, Deci against pounder in wide open, where Pounder has the high ground, Pounder, Deci with the high ground, he wins, ect. you get the picture

[Aegis]

Problem with the pounder inside is that it doesnt have much range in large low rooms/corridors, you cant get the ARC. Of course secondary fire has more ranges as the grenades bounce along, but Vs a Decimator you are giving the a chance to fire and get under cover before they explode.

Personally, i always carry a decimator, you never know when you'll need it.

[Nikodemus]

2ndary fire deci > most maxes regardless of situation

2ndary fire deci + standard armor + surge > any max, even a locked down pounder with audio amp.

[STEALTHKILLER]

:vssucks: :trsucks: :ncrocks:
a deci will take down any max no matter what 2 shots is all it would take if a max is at full if it isnt then 1 shot. i think the max should be considered infatry not vechicals

[Aegis]

If you attack an anchored pounder head on (like on tower stairs) you dont get time to get two decimator shots off. The number of times i have stood on stairways and spammed 15+ infantry to death before accumalated damage get me is amazing. If you have an engineer you can go on indefinitely as long as he stays out of harms way.

[Fire_Monkey]

For those who were wondering, the pounder does a shitload of damage to itself when in close range battles, and the average grief level for a pounder user is about 600. (This partially due to TR stupidity, and the nature of the pounder; basically everyone makes a macro saying "get the fuck out tha way, pounder max")

[Aegis]

Only a magrider can compete for grief :D Or somebody with a reaver and really bad aim...

[Trebor95]

Pounder locked down at top of the stairs??? Do a hot drop onto the tower and come from behind! I have yet to see one TR Max lock down facing up the stairs.

Couple of guys with decis the rest with Jackhammers/Lashers and you have yorself a clear tower.

[Aegis]

No, but a pounder with his back to the tower CC can cover above and below, and some do that. Sure, coming from above is a good tactic, if you have a Gal about or can be bothered to wait while someone goes to get one. I like the pounder, but i think ALL MAXs need to be effective like that.

another tactic is to use the rocklet on secondary fire, it fires all its shots even as you die, and a full rocklet clip does more dmage than one decimator shot. Still not enough to take down a MAX without reload though.

[Madcow]

Originally posted by Trebor95
Pounder locked down at top of the stairs??? Do a hot drop onto the tower and come from behind! I have yet to see one TR Max lock down facing up the stairs.

Couple of guys with decis the rest with Jackhammers/Lashers and you have yorself a clear tower.

For the last week every time the TR are in a contested tower I have seen at least 2 Pounders facing down on the first flight of stairs, 1 facing down at the CC and one facing up at the CC as well as one or two in the basement. Luckily, it appears the TR are getting a little smarter about that.

[Aegis]

Remember most pounder users would rather get huge XP from killing the hordes of zergers coming from below than the odd hotdrop on the roof, so thats why they do it this way, selfish i know. Against Vanu you HAVE to defend upwards or their MAXs come at you from behind coz some arse is stupid enough to go out onto the balcony and let them in.

[Lonehunter]

Originally posted by Aegis
another tactic is to use the rocklet on secondary fire, it fires all its shots even as you die, and a full rocklet clip does more dmage than one decimator shot. Still not enough to take down a MAX without reload though.
That's one of the reason's I love that gun :D Since the alt firing mode has a delay, sometimes I'll fire that one by mistake, they'll kill me first, but then my corpse will look like it's self destructing with all the rocklets coming out. I've gotten kills like this before.

[dscytherulez]

WOOHOO! Thanks everyone for your opinions and votes, now i dont feel like a complete idiot, cuz I went against everyone who was on the PSU IRC channel cuz they kept tellin me how i would get pwned. Anywho, keep em comin! THNX!

:P~

[Cease]

If you browse the SOE forums you'll see a lot of focus on the Pounder MAX now. IMO, there is no better weapon for taking out a Max indoors than a Decimator. I fear no Max, including the Pounder, when I have my Decimators on me.

As was stated, Surge + Decimator on seconday fire mode = a dead max before they know what hit them.

Every empire has their day in the "overpowered barrel" as I like to call it. It was the NC Jackhammer for a while. Then the Lasher, and now its the Pounder.

It shouldn't really be a surprise either. The numbers have shown Vanu players gave little thought to using AV or SA and put a lot of stock in the Lasher for their Max killing needs. Now that its been reduced, many seem to be having a hard time adjusting. I read a lot of negative posts on the SOE boards this weekend(work was slow) in regards to the Pounder. The majority of the ones I read were started by Vanu players.

[Lonehunter]

Did you just say you can take down any MAX with a Deci and then say the Pounder is overpowered?

[ghost018]

Unfortuntaley though, the Pounder MAX can't really be compared to a weapon you can place on your back. I don't see what's so appealing about MAX units in general, you can't use any equipment when suited in one and when it comes down to it, they're easily beaten.

ghost

[STEALTHKILLER]

:vssucks: :trsucks: :ncrocks:
i might be taking this wrong so falme me if it is wrong. the deci has no 2nd fire mode that takes all the rockets that is the rocket rifle

[Madcow]

Originally posted by STEALTHKILLER
i might be taking this wrong so falme me if it is wrong. the deci has no 2nd fire mode that takes all the rockets that is the rocket rifle

The secondary mode just allows you to have a nosecone view of the rocket and to detonate it next to the target if it is going to miss to make sure you do damage even if you don't hit the mark.

[Cease]

Did you just say you can take down any MAX with a Deci and then say the Pounder is overpowered?



No. I'm not saying the Pounder is overpowered. I'm saying that it is the Pounder turn in the "barrel". I'll explain.

As long as this game exists there will ALWAYS be some weapon being critisized as over-powered. It will change as the game changes, but there will always be a weapon "targetted" as needing a nerf. Notice how all the JH is overpowered threads suddenly went away when the Lasher was buffed? Yet there was no change to the JH. Thats what I call the "Overpowered Barrel".

Its the Pounders turn in the barrel from what I'm seeing on the SOE boards. It's catching a lot of heat now as being overpowered. TR Maxes in general are startnig to come under more fire than normal because now that the Lasher has been nerfed, something else needs to be targetted.

And if your curious about my barrel reference. Its from an old joke that goes something like this:

A man gets a job with an oil company and gets sent out to work on a remote oil compound. After a couple of months he starts getting really horny due to the complete lack of women there. So he asks one of the old guys "What do you guys do for sex?"

Old guy: "Oh you see that barrel over there with the holes in it?"

New guy: "Yeah."

Old guy: "Just go over there and stick your wanker in there."

New guy: "Umm, ok."

That didn't make much sense to him, but mother nature got the best of him and he went over to the barrel. He did as instructed and he suprisingly got pleased and taken care of.

The next day he sees the old man.

New guy: "Hey I tried the barrel! It was great! Thanks for the advice. I'm going to go there everyday!"

Old guy: "Everyday but Thursday."

New guy: "Why not Thursday?"

Old guy: "That your day in the barrel."

[STEALTHKILLER]

:vssucks: :trsucks: :ncrocks:
now i havent used the deci in the vr in a while but i think it is just a few. not being able 2 detonate. that is the phenoix

[Madcow]

Originally posted by STEALTHKILLER
now i havent used the deci in the vr in a while but i think it is just a few. not being able 2 detonate. that is the phenoix

You can steer and detonate the Phoenix. You can only detonate the Deci.

[STEALTHKILLER]

:vssucks: :trsucks: :ncrocks:
that joke was funny now please give it a break on the posts i am supposed 2 do my homework and dont start flaming me saying that stop comeing here then.

[Madcow]

Originally posted by STEALTHKILLER
that joke was funny now please give it a break on the posts i am supposed 2 do my homework and dont start flaming me saying that stop comeing here then.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. None.

[STEALTHKILLER]

Originally posted by Madcow
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. None. :vssucks: :trsucks: :ncrocks:
the joke by cease (sorry if i misspell) im in the 8th grade and have histroy homework. have u ever tried to find the us states that have native american names and what thosse names mean?

[Doppler]

Originally posted by Trebor95
Pounder locked down at top of the stairs??? Do a hot drop onto the tower and come from behind! I have yet to see one TR Max lock down facing up the stairs.

Couple of guys with decis the rest with Jackhammers/Lashers and you have yorself a clear tower.

Great plan save when your attacking the tower you dont always have the luxury of air transport, i shouldt need a gal on hand just to counter one or two guys in pounder max's although considering nearly every tr force uses this tactic at one point many time I have to. 1 Pounder max up stairs is murder two are nearly impossible to beat, same if 2 pounder max's guard the door to a cc or the outer chamber before the cc they can take out oposition before the oposition gets LOS to launch their missile, and cover each others reloading. Having said that I find pounders irritating but delivering exactly what they promise, my only complaint is their damage versus armor might need a smidge of a tone down.

[Demdadar]

It's just about tactics . If the Pounder is in Deploy-Mode , 2 shots of Decimator and >>> PWN <<<