Vanguard,Prowler,magrider

[IronWolf]

I made this thread after reading alot of others

I play TR and whenever there is a large battle i always see alot of vanguards and magriders, but only a few prowlers. Im sure alot of you have. I was reading a thread and it says the TR should use more prowlers and that there stupid,I have prowler cert and atleast half my outfit does the thing is the prowler last about 7 seconds in combat, Its a large target and cant use splash damage to rought out enmeys and is hard to manuver. also it has three man crew witch means you GET three kills.everytime i see a prowler in combat theres always a phenoix hunting it down. The VS and nc weapons are powerful and that seems fair but when people start yelling to nerf the striker i get pissed, TR has good AA and thats all they have vehicle wise, Striker rockest are huge and it takes alot of shots to take down a vanguard. So in my opinon if they do change the striker it would have to be preety much the same as the lancer, making the game dull. The other empires have to learn that allthough there reavers get shot down that there tnaks run us right overhttp://stats.planetsidegaming.com/16/411055/stats.png Suicide is like saying to God "you cant fire me! I quit!" Suicide is like saying to God "You cant fire me! I quit!"

[Indecisive]

Try saying that prowlers suck to the Dragon wolves ( i think) 's thunder runs.

Ow.

[Queensidecastle]

The prowler is ausome. Its just that most of the time unless the driver is agressive in getting gunners, you just have to go w/out the 2nd gunner. No one wants to operate a 12mm rotary chaingun. 12mm guns are friken lame and everyone knows it.

What sony needs to do is up it to a 20mm recoiless gun and then you will see people filling up the prowlers


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[Ziegfried]

I jave seen prowlers in large numbers and they are extremly effective. Ive never piloted one so im not sure on its weaponry but they are hard nuts to crack if there are no Vanguards about.

[TF_MrA]

prowlers may be good in force, but if there is only one, they suck. The Vanguards got the big cannon, the magriders got the speed, and the prowlers got nothing. They are the biggest tanks, and when in battle they are the first things to be shot.

[Happy lil Elf]

In any sizeable battle one tank by itself will nearly always die rather quickly, because they're big targets and everyone with any AV weapon seems to immediately drop what they're doing to take pot shots at them.

[Headrattle]

The second gun SHOULDN'T be a 20mm gun. Unless you are willing to up the gun on the Vanguard.

Didn't think so.

No, make the gun actually shoot both 12 mm guns at the same time instead of alternating between the two.

And allow it to use more ammo, maybe a 10mm gun that has boxes of ammo that have 500 per box. (though the damage would be simular) Something to give the chaingun more staying power.

[Katanaboy]

Well, the magrider actually goes slower than the prowler/vanguard, but its acceleration is just a bit faster, and it strafes. Also, its hard to use the magrider's main gun's splash damage. While the prowler/vanguard guns have an arc, the HRB doesnt, which means if you miss, the projectile contines parallel to the floor, exploding far away on some mountain (instead of landing near the enemy). Also, its damage is a lot less than the other's. However, it is the only tank cannon that can reliably hit aircraft.

[Ziegfried]

Is that why Magriders always try to run ppl over. When was the last time a magrider tried to kill people with its guns.
The prowlers supposedly got the most armour but as 2 can be taken out by a sunderer this dosent seem very true.

[Queensidecastle]

sorry, there wouldnt be any harm in boosting the prowler 2nd gun to 20mm. The fact remains that the Prowler is most often subpar due to this fact alone. Lets recap:

No one wants to use a 12mm gun EVER and thats just how it is.

Now you can get dedicated outfit members to do it, and you can get people that just want a ride to the next base to do it but they all leave as soon as possible and why shouldnt they. 12mm guns suck ass and its more fun to grunt or max.

The dual 12mm aspect of the prowler is purely cosmetic. It is the same damage output as a mosquito. Sure it would be fine if they fired at the same time, but they dont. An acceptable solution if the lack of ammo problem was addressed. However, no one would still be gunning for it. To actually get people to gun for it, it needs to be a 20mm gun and no, the vanguard wouldnt need to be boosted to compensate heh


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[Ziegfried]

Ive seen ppl use that gun actualy but it must hace been a rare occurance.

[Mazzic]

Originally posted by Headrattle
The second gun SHOULDN'T be a 20mm gun. Unless you are willing to up the gun on the Vanguard.

Didn't think so.


Okay, how can you possibly say this with a straight face?


The idea of Balance..from my point of View is..

Vanguard..a Fearsome Tank. Unmatched destructive Power. Accurate Main Gun and heavy Anti-Infantry MachineGun.

MagRider. Manuverability has to be it's biggest asset. I've never gunned in it, so I don't know much about its power. But i'd imagine that the accuracy counts.

Prowler. Slightly more manuverability than the Vanguard. Obviouisly less than the Mag. Decent main Cannon but little to no splash damage. An anemic Anti-Air/Infantry Weapon.

The Prowler is basically a Middle of the road tank. Not really particularly good at anything. I'd like to see it get more armor or at the very least a 20mm.


I've driven all 3 tanks.

Jacked a Vanguard just the other day..and decimated an attacking NC squad. Squad of 3, 2 of us in the Vanguard, took out another Vangaurd, a max and 4 infantry. (One shot one Kill...wtf.) Our squad mate on foot took out their Reaver air support with a Striker.

I've also used a Magrider. Mow'd over the Vanu infantry with impunity and /gasp, had a gunner and destroyed Two other Magriders trying to roll into battle.


In the right hands tanks can be very powerful. Prowler just need a little push.

[Ziegfried]

Actually the prowler is meant to have the most armor.

[Piith]

Im surprized that the Sunderer is not used more, it has two 75mm cannons, were the Prowler has one 100mm cannon, also you can bring along a AA max in the Sunderer, so when the time arrives he can pop out and take care of any aircraft. I never or raraly see the Sunderer used, well on Johari they use them, but I dont see them used on the other servers.
I enjoy being a gunner, when Im with a good driver, only thing is the drivers can put the gunner in a position that is not good for the gunner, and just sit there, me Im a 3 finger search and peck, so typing out were I am needed to get a better shot is actually death to the tank, and if were not in the same outfit (outfit has it's own voice comms) that makes it harder, or if were not in the same squad (I'll gun fer any one), then you can not host the ingame Voice comms.
but as a VAn agaist the prowler, Ive taken out Vans (as gunner) in a prowler, you just need a good driver and be the better shot ;) since the 150mm that the Van has will beat the 100mm the prowler has.
The sunderer and prowler are equal if the sunderer has both gunners.
but I agree that( I never noticed) that the prowler should have the 20mm and not the 12mm, heck the light one man tank has a 20mm with it's 75mm cannon

[TF_MrA]

err, i think the prowler had a 120mm cannon.

[Flammey]

Okay, I've Piloted every vehicle, and gunned on every vehicle, on all sides, even empire based. There IS no problem with any empire vehicle. They all have strengths and weaknesses. None of them are more powerful that the other, per say. Take for example the difference between the Mag, Prowler, and the Vanguard.
Mag has an excellent, almost light speed cannon that's pretty damn powerful against anything, crappy pilot gun, excellent manuverabilty.
Prowler has low manuverabilty, requires 2 gunners, but the Machinegun is powerful against infantry and Air, and the cannon is very powerful against vehicles and Infanrty.
Vanguard has medium manuverabilty, requires a gunner, Has an extremely powerful cannon against infantry and vehicles, and pretty good machinegun against infanrty. poor against air.

Which would you say is better?
The Van? Mag perhaps? The answer is neither. Each is the top of the hill, WHEN IT'S IN THE RIGHT AREA. Vanguard- tops against Vehicles and Infantry. Mag-Tops against Infantry and Seige, and pretty decent cannon against air, when it hits. Prowler-Tops against Air, Medium against Vehicles and Siege, and pretty damn good against infantry. You put 3 or 4 of the same together and you get a mobile artillery force. Nasty against anything that stands in the way. Neither is better than the other, Per say. It just depends on HOW you use it. Anyone driving around in a Prowler half gunned is just an Idiot. Anyone driving a Mag without a gunner is still decent, as it's good against Infantry. The forward gun may suck, as it's hard to aim and drive, but you don't need to shoot when you can run over 7 guys in one crack.

[Queensidecastle]

The Prowler is far, far more maneuverable than the vanguard

[Shadowsword8]

Besides, the Prowler fire faster, which made up for the increased brute force and splash of the Vanguard.

I was a Vanguard gunner and I found a Prowler with only one gunner (besides the pilot) at close range I fired first, and each of us landed all our shots. I killed him, but after that, my vanguard had less than 10% health. If the Prowler had a third gunnet, he would have probably won . 5 minutes later, the same scenario repeated himself. So, no, I don't think the Prowler is lacking anything.

[Mazzic]

Saying that the prowler is "far far more manuverable" than the Vanguard is over stating it a bit.

They both have roughly the same spin up time to get to going. The Prowler just corners better than the Vanguard.

[Queensidecastle]

No sorry, its far more than that. The prowler can accellerate on hills w/out slipping, and can climb steeper angles. It has a more traction when the outside tips of the tracks are not on flat ground (ditch) capable of turning where a vanguard cannot. It can back out of ditches and holes where a vanguard cannot, and it has a more narrow turning radius.

So what you want to do When in a Prowler facing off with a Vanguard is head into the hills. If you have the skills the vanguard gets stuck, and you dont. Also if he doesnt take the bait, your 100mm guns just got the high ground on him