Religion Question

[Mr1337Duck]

I got this dumbass at school that is totally convinced that Catholics aren't Christian, that there's Catholics and Christians, but that the two aren't the same. He's Catholic and he keeps bringing up stuff like Rosaries. I tell him it's just fricken jewelery, get over it. I ask him if he believes in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. We get into this debate about whether it's really supposed to say Holy Ghost. I say that the actual term is Holy Ghost, but because ghost now means dead spirit, they changed to it to Holy Spirit to indicate it's not dead. Anyway... do you belive Catholics are just a denomination(sp?) of Christianity, or do you think they're they're own religion and protestants are completely different?

Don't vote unless you've got a decent understanding of the Church.

[GonePostal]

and wouldnt ya know it


more spam from duck


who cares about catholics and protestants

[Mr1337Duck]

And THIS is why I hang out at the WoW boards. 1 person that voted for Dumbass was MTX, I know he believes that. I suspect Postal voted for him, too.

If Catholics don't belive in the Trinity, I'd like to know. If the definition of Christian has changed, I'd like to know that, too.

Dumbass is a dumbass in other matters, not just this. I've given that title to him because it suits him.

[Otis]

Uh, yeah Catholics are Christians, I am one. I don't go to church but yeah I'm a Catholic AND a Christian. This thread is not spam it's an interesting topic. Postal, why would you post that you don't care? Do you thing duck cares that you don't care?

[Kaikou]

meh....religion...

In my opinion, humans created god to keep people under control, knowing that if they do something bad they'll go to hell. The basis of religion is to keep people in order, and I suppose on some standards govern the way they act.

I'm sure somewhere in the bible or ..whevever it says "be kind to others" I'm kind to others just because I believe being a good person makes this world just a little bit better, not because some ancient book says I should or god won't like me. I don't need to believe there is some higher being controling my life to feel at ease that I'm not alone in the universe. (which I believe is another reason humans would create a "god", so they believe something is watching over them)

Even if there is a god, and he's all forgiving, you think he'd rather you worship him, or spend your church time making the world a better place? So long as you'd act the way the bible states, I don't think he'd care less if you worshiped him or not.

Gah...instead of writing some paragraphs I guess I could have just said:

I base facts on scientific facts. Not ancient writings that really have no viable evidence to present.

[X-113]

First, I would like to say,

This thread ROCKS!!!

Now, on to my opinion on Christian/Catholic beliefs.

They follow the same God, so why cant we all just get along? :D Seriously, I have always thought that Christians, Catholics, Muslims, and **** should just band together and all worship God together, rather then seperating themselves from their fellow man.

I mean, why should anyone be so hung up on HOW they worship God? He's GOD. Omnipotent power of love and justice and all that touchy-feelyness. Why should it matter to him how you worship? Why should it even matter that you worship at all? As long as you believe in him and believe that what you do is right, why worry?

Religions these days arent just about "My God can kick your Gods ass!" theyre about "My interpretation of what is generally accepted as holy is better then your interpretation" WTF?? Just be happy you CAN worship as you like in this country.

If I know anything about ANY of the faiths listed above, they preach unity of the people and goodness towards others. Isnt that enough? Do you really have to bend over backwards convincing people that your way will get them into heaven and anythign else is just bad?

As I said before, lets all just get along. Do what you will, be happy, and be as good as your nature allows.

[Sentrosi]

I believe that the comedian Denis Leary said it best;

"Do you believe in God?"

"No"

{BANG} "you're dead"

---later

"Do you believe in God?"

"Yes"

"Do you believe in MY God?"

"No"

{BANG} "you're dead. My God has a bigger dick than your God."

[Everay]

telling people at school about your religious belifes, or even just discussing religion is a bad idea, none of them know what theyre talking about, and if you disagree with them in any way, they always get pissed.

[Mr1337Duck]

It was a lunch table discussion. We aren't allowed to pick where we sit, so I have to sit by this guy all through lunch. He thinks I like him though I make it very clear that I dislike him.

The district slogan is "I am the me that I choose to be, and I will decide my destiny." Now, first off, that's an oxymoron. Destiny is carved out for you, that no matter what you do you will undoubtedly end up doing whatever. You can't change it, simple as that. I hate that...


Lol at Sentrosi, that's what we call Nazi/Facism. We try to stay away from that, but undoubtedly a few weirdos end up in every group of people.

And Kaikou, I have to disagree. Conscience and law already took over that, there was no need for a God to enforce it. It's like abortion. Many women who get abortions end up fucked up in the head a few years down the road, no need for a God to enforce that it's wrong.

[ghost018]

Same God, same beliefs, same religion ---- different worship habbits.

ghost

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by Mr1337Duck
I got this dumbass at school that is totally convinced that Catholics aren't Christian, that there's Catholics and Christians, but that the two aren't the same. He's Catholic and he keeps bringing up stuff like Rosaries. I tell him it's just fricken jewelery, get over it. I ask him if he believes in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. We get into this debate about whether it's really supposed to say Holy Ghost. I say that the actual term is Holy Ghost, but because ghost now means dead spirit, they changed to it to Holy Spirit to indicate it's not dead. Anyway... do you belive Catholics are just a denomination(sp?) of Christianity, or do you think they're they're own religion and protestants are completely different?

Don't vote unless you've got a decent understanding of the Church. In my opinion (being a Christian (Assembly of God, if you are wondering what denomination) and being somewhat educated in the matters of ideology) Catholics are Christians. Although they differ from nearly every other denomonation in religious practices and beleifs, they do beleive in the life, death, and ressurection of Jesus Christ and the salvation that offers. Just tell him he better hope hes a Christian, because its just going to be us Christians (and maybe ****, still not sure about that...) in heaven.

As for those that say that man created the idea of God to keep people under control, I have one question, who made man? I know, i know, evolution, but that theory has more holes in it then any other "scientific" principle i have ever seen. You think it takes faith to beleive in God, study a little more about evolution, sheesh, sometimes I wish I had that much faith. :D

[firecrackerNC]

Originally posted by Kaikou
meh....religion...

In my opinion, humans created god to keep people under control, knowing that if they do something bad they'll go to hell. The basis of religion is to keep people in order, and I suppose on some standards govern the way they act.

I'm sure somewhere in the bible or ..whevever it says "be kind to others" I'm kind to others just because I believe being a good person makes this world just a little bit better, not because some ancient book says I should or god won't like me. I don't need to believe there is some higher being controling my life to feel at ease that I'm not alone in the universe. (which I believe is another reason humans would create a "god", so they believe something is watching over them)

Even if there is a god, and he's all forgiving, you think he'd rather you worship him, or spend your church time making the world a better place? So long as you'd act the way the bible states, I don't think he'd care less if you worshiped him or not.

Gah...instead of writing some paragraphs I guess I could have just said:

I base facts on scientific facts. Not ancient writings that really have no viable evidence to present.


I 110% agree with that post,God was created to make people fear being bad,it was created to keep people in order

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by firecrackerNC
I 110% agree with that post,God was created to make people fear being bad,it was created to keep people in order If man created God, who created man?

[Sputty]

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
If man created God, who created man?
Primates, and even farther down the line
Bacteria

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by Sputty
Primates, and even farther down the line
Bacteria Who created the bacteria?

[Mejwell]

Catholics are a type of Christian, in the same way chimpanzees are a type of primate. Your friend does know that Catholicism used to be the ONLY form of Christianity, right?

I'm agnostic, by the way.

[firecrackerNC]

sorry mistake,went back in history

[firecrackerNC]

Originally posted by MilitantB0B
Who created the bacteria?

But why would god have to make bacteria to make us if hes so powerful,and that means he lied if we came from bacteria,what of Adam And Eve? See people like to just say well god has his ways or because he could only because they really have no clue and no one does

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by firecrackerNC
But why would god have to make bacteria to make us if hes so powerful,and that means he lied if we came from bacteria,what of Adam And Eve? See people like to just say well god has his ways or because he could only because they really have no clue and no one does God doesn't have to make bacteria to make us, He made us directly, I simply entertained the idea to set up a point.

The point i was getting at is that you can trace our "evolution" through primates, then a rat of some sort, back to amphibians and eventually to fish and then back to single cell animals. Ok, for the sake of argument, lets say that that is true (I don't belive it to be) but the fact still remains that something had to create the primordial goo you say we crawled out of. The first law of Thermodynamics state that energy is a constant, meaning the amount of energy in the universe never increases or decreases, just changes forms. If the universe created itself, it would have to follow its own rules, therefore, it couldn't have created itself unless it had energy to start with, and if it did, who put that there? The way I see it, i may never convince you that Jesus is the son of God that came down to save us from sin, hell, and the grave, but it seems pretty obvious that some 3rd party, that is above the rules of the universe, had to have created the world. Even if God created the world as primordial goo and let it evolve (wich, i don't beleive, I beleive the creation of Man and the universe in 7 "days" (I put it in quotes because I don't know if that means 7, 24 hours days or if it is some form of symbolism) by God) it still had to be started up at some point in time.

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

if Catholics and Christians aint the same, then Muslims and Islam aint the same. Dude, you need to make sure that guy doesn't take any more pills.:o

[Kaikou]

What really bugs me is that everything written in the bible is not possible to be proven, you have to just "have faith" that what is written is true. Man evolved from the monkey, you want proof? it's buried all over the world. Science can prove things, religion just tells you things and says "if you believe in god then you have to believe this". That is what bothers me about religion. That people will actually believe this stuff because they read it in a book that in no way can be proven legitimate. When you debate religion with a religious person, you can easily notice they are getting uneasy and nervous that they are talking about the subject of there being a god or not. This just enforces my point that humans created god and not the other way around. Even though they read that this god is all forgiving, they still fear him and act like good people so they can get into heaven when they die.

Which brings me to my next point. Humans are naturally scared of death because they don't know what happens when you die. So they trick themselves into thinking that there is an afterlife. Just so they feel at ease about what happens after death. What do I believe happens when you die? You die, and you rot. Just like every other organism in this universe. People don't think it is possible that you can just cease to exist, that you have a "soul" or some form of conscience that exists even after death. People think that because we've evolved to the point that we actually think about things like death and try to understand it, but no matter how hard we try, we can't. When bugs die, do you think they go to heaven? No, they just cease to exist. What difference is there between humans and bugs besides intelligence? We're both living things, we both die, we both cease to exist. The whole "soul" or "spirit" term was probably just created for the loved ones of people who die to believe the deceased are still with them somehow.

My conclusion. I believe religion is a fantasy world humans have created to be cushoned from the harsh existance that is reality. If they aren't strong enough to handle reality, they turn to religion to feel better about what they are and what will happen to them.

I must admit though, if man did create god and religion, they were pretty cleaver to scare people into being good, and put their minds at ease about the unknown at the same time...

Edit: forgot to add this...

It has been proven that organic matter can in fact blink into existance through a series of naturally occuring events.

Also, if god is perfect, and he created man, he obviously went wrong somewhere. Unless god enjoys watching humans kill each other over religion (religion is the base of all war, research the start of all the wars in history and you'll find that 99.9% were due to religious conflicts) and just watches humans fight as a form of some twisted enjoyment, he is obviously not perfect.

[Flammey]

Uh.....Yeah....this thread belongs in the Religion area of the forum.

And FYI, I have no religion, I only have beliefs. And I'm not telling what they are. Incidently, not to be antagonistic, but why do people NEED a place to worship from? If God made everything, then one should be able to worship anywhere, not have to go to church every Sunday, or what have you. There is no one place closer to God than the dirt you are standing on.

[firecrackerNC]

Well said Kaikou,I could'nt have put it better myself.

[ghost018]

One of the reasons why there are so many different types of Christianity, Flammey. I myself agree with what you've said; you can talk to God wherever and whenever you need to. One may attend Church every Sunday, but that doesn't make them a good person.

ghost

PS: Kaikou, I don't mean to come off as if I'm talking down to you in anyway but I honestly and truely feel bad for you. There are some things even Science can't explain. I'm sure you think that miracles are some other form of fantasy, but for those of us who have experienced them, we know they aren't.

[Terran Sniper]

All beings that believe in the Holy Trinity and that Chist is the Savior and only Son of God, the Son of Man, are Christians. This includes Catholics. I know this because I myself am Ctholic and believe in nothing but God and Christ. Because Dumbass said that we are not christians, I will personally kick his face in, cut off his balls, fry them, and feed them to him. All with a smile on my face and in the name of God.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Kaikou
What really bugs me is that everything written in the bible is not possible to be proven, you have to just "have faith" that what is written is true. Man evolved from the monkey, you want proof? it's buried all over the world. Science can prove things, religion just tells you things and says "if you believe in god then you have to believe this". That is what bothers me about religion. That people will actually believe this stuff because they read it in a book that in no way can be proven legitimate. When you debate religion with a religious person, you can easily notice they are getting uneasy and nervous that they are talking about the subject of there being a god or not. This just enforces my point that humans created god and not the other way around. Even though they read that this god is all forgiving, they still fear him and act like good people so they can get into heaven when they die.

Which brings me to my next point. Humans are naturally scared of death because they don't know what happens when you die. So they trick themselves into thinking that there is an afterlife. Just so they feel at ease about what happens after death. What do I believe happens when you die? You die, and you rot. Just like every other organism in this universe. People don't think it is possible that you can just cease to exist, that you have a "soul" or some form of conscience that exists even after death. People think that because we've evolved to the point that we actually think about things like death and try to understand it, but no matter how hard we try, we can't. When bugs die, do you think they go to heaven? No, they just cease to exist. What difference is there between humans and bugs besides intelligence? We're both living things, we both die, we both cease to exist. The whole "soul" or "spirit" term was probably just created for the loved ones of people who die to believe the deceased are still with them somehow.

My conclusion. I believe religion is a fantasy world humans have created to be cushoned from the harsh existance that is reality. If they aren't strong enough to handle reality, they turn to religion to feel better about what they are and what will happen to them.

I must admit though, if man did create god and religion, they were pretty cleaver to scare people into being good, and put their minds at ease about the unknown at the same time...

Edit: forgot to add this...

It has been proven that organic matter can in fact blink into existance through a series of naturally occuring events.

Also, if god is perfect, and he created man, he obviously went wrong somewhere. Unless god enjoys watching humans kill each other over religion (religion is the base of all war, research the start of all the wars in history and you'll find that 99.9% were due to religious conflicts) and just watches humans fight as a form of some twisted enjoyment, he is obviously not perfect.

Ok first of all i am not catholic nor protestant, and i know that know one close to god is afraid to die at the right time which is a good thing. I believe that we evolved from monkeys but i also believe in god. They dont have to be serperate and the bible doest tell you what to do. It informs you and gives you the will to do whatever you want.

Which leads me to say, god created us with free will. WE chose to be in wars. Also we are different from bugs because we are created in the image and likeness of god. I dont expect 1/999 of you to understand that, because neither do i totally. But that is not important.

Its not always smart to voice your chirstian/conservative views in the internet full of liberal/atheists. But this is my opinion.

Oh and btw Flammey, you can worship god anywhere. The setting you are in though, may allow you to come closer to god than other settings. Why do you think so of the people closest to god wander the deserts.

Also, Catholics are a type of christianity duh.

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

when i die, i'm gona be put into those frozen container things so i can be cloned.:D


bleh, otherwise good point Kaikou. its impossible to separate a shitload of water to make a path. its impossible to be a virgin-that didn't get sperm from the local *** hospital. Nor is it possible that you can take a piss when ur dead and make it rain all over teh world:p , unless that guy from Crossing Over can do that, its impossible......although i have seen some crazy shit in my life......so it does give me som reason to believe some of it. o and i'm luthern (sp?).....which is basicly catholics.....well kinda.....what is the difference?:confused:

[Terran Sniper]

I just figgered i should post my personal beliefs...

I believe we evolved from monkeys, its just the God created the first monkey and named him Adam.

Going to church is in direct violation of the teachings of Christ. He taught to pray in private, not in public.

God wants us to be happy, so whatever makes you happy, do it. Unless you get your kicks from killin, rapin, stealin, shit like that. then you can fucking go to hell (cause you are)

[Kaikou]

ghost, miracles are simply events we can't yet explain, science isn't perfected yet. Do we know where all the matter came from in the beginning of time that caused the big bang? Not yet, but that doesn't mean we never will. Science suggested the world was the center of the universe in earlier times, but that was corrected. Many "miracles" that have happened in the past have been scientifically solved. Could we clone animals and even humans a decade ago? No, but we can and do now. The entire human genome has been mapped and we now have the technology to genetically alter humans to whatever we please. From hair color to how big their penis is. Mankind has already achieved major parts the bible says god did. Created life, created earth. Humans can't create another earth you say? Within this century it is well within man's power to terraform planets. If man created a planet, planted life on it, and waited for that life to evolve, wouldn't man be considered a type of god? We will most likely see early stages of planet terraforming in our own life times. Now tell me, do you think if there is a god, he wouldn't mind humans cracking his life creation code and becoming a form of god themselves? (Damn as I type this I think more and more about evangelion...)

In closing:

HOW DO YOU KNOW JOHN LENNON DIDN'T JUST GO BACK IN TIME AND EJACULATE INTO THE PRIMORDIAL SOUP?!?!

It's a possibility ya know :p

[Mr1337Duck]

You have faith in your science, which is in itself a big ass plot hole. We have faith in our God. Yes, many wars have been based over religion. God watches out for us, but we have a great deal of control, too. And that is why we have wars. God gives us trial and error, to discover him for ourselves. God is not there to give us a free happy land, he tests us, by believing in his Son and doing good, you pass. The wicked get sent to hell, the Devil worshippers can go right down there and join him.

Go find your missing link, then we'll talk.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Terran Sniper
I just figgered i should post my personal beliefs...

I believe we evolved from monkeys, its just the God created the first monkey and named him Adam.

Going to church is in direct violation of the teachings of Christ. He taught to pray in private, not in public.

God wants us to be happy, so whatever makes you happy, do it. Unless you get your kicks from killin, rapin, stealin, shit like that. then you can fucking go to hell (cause you are)

eh, god never said you have to pray just in private. Private meditation is great, but being in church is also good. Why did god attend church himself.

I dont think god created a monkey and named him adam. I think god created the possibility for life on millions of planets and that given free will, we evolved. When we reached the status of likeness to him is when we start becoming accountable for our actions.

duck is right in his last post, and no one, absolutely no one can judge where you go after you are done with your physical body exept god.

[ghost018]

Originally posted by ghost018
Kaikou, I don't mean to come off as if I'm talking down to you in anyway but I honestly and truely feel bad for you.

[321]

Ok there are to many things to comment on so I'm not gonna comment on all of it.

I belive that God created Man not monkeys. Also I belive the Christainity isn't a religion. It means you belive in God and that Jesus died for our sins and he is my personal Lord and Savior.

I do not belive in evolution.

You can pray anywhere not just in Church but God said that when two or more people gather in his name he will be there. That does not mean that your prayers outside of Church won't be answered or listened to cause they will.

Church can also help you understand the Bible better cause the text in it isn't easy to read. Sometimes you might not get what it says but there are people that have been studying the Bible for many years.

Edit: Also no one can judge who is going to Hell or Heavan only God

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

but what if satan doesn't want you to come down the his world? I mean he also must have some kinda saying in it too. if he disagrees then would ya just like be sent back to earth to act like casper or sumtin? bleh.


and i rather name a monkey freezer than adam.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by 321
I belive that God created Man not monkeys. Also I belive the Christainity isn't a religion. It means you belive in God and that Jesus died for our sins and he is my personal Lord and Savior.

you dont think god created monkeys? :confused: he created everything, but only man in his image and likeness.

and why couldnt we have evolved from monkeys?

[Kaikou]

We must be tested even though we were created by a perfect being that knows everything there is possible to know about us.

Sounds to me like humans are god's play things...

If and when science solves all of the mysteries of the universe which religion exploits claiming that it's god that is influencing this unexplained event, then we can talk. To me, anyone who so firmly believes there is a god, no question whatsoever just because the bible says so, sounds rather silly. Guess it all comes down to faith, which is why I hate religion so much, because it has the loopholes with have no evidence of there being a god, or that biblical events truly happened, and even if it can be proven false, the religious people say "well it's all based on faith". Doesn't work like that but good luck getting a person terrified of going to hell if they question god's existance to believe you.

Religious people are scared of science because it is slowly solving everything that was once known to be an "act of god".

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by Kaikou
What really bugs me is that everything written in the bible is not possible to be proven, you have to just "have faith" that what is written is true. Man evolved from the monkey, you want proof? it's buried all over the world. Science can prove things, religion just tells you things and says "if you believe in god then you have to believe this". That is what bothers me about religion. That people will actually believe this stuff because they read it in a book that in no way can be proven legitimate. When you debate religion with a religious person, you can easily notice they are getting uneasy and nervous that they are talking about the subject of there being a god or not. This just enforces my point that humans created god and not the other way around. Even though they read that this god is all forgiving, they still fear him and act like good people so they can get into heaven when they die.

Which brings me to my next point. Humans are naturally scared of death because they don't know what happens when you die. So they trick themselves into thinking that there is an afterlife. Just so they feel at ease about what happens after death. What do I believe happens when you die? You die, and you rot. Just like every other organism in this universe. People don't think it is possible that you can just cease to exist, that you have a "soul" or some form of conscience that exists even after death. People think that because we've evolved to the point that we actually think about things like death and try to understand it, but no matter how hard we try, we can't. When bugs die, do you think they go to heaven? No, they just cease to exist. What difference is there between humans and bugs besides intelligence? We're both living things, we both die, we both cease to exist. The whole "soul" or "spirit" term was probably just created for the loved ones of people who die to believe the deceased are still with them somehow.

My conclusion. I believe religion is a fantasy world humans have created to be cushoned from the harsh existance that is reality. If they aren't strong enough to handle reality, they turn to religion to feel better about what they are and what will happen to them.

I must admit though, if man did create god and religion, they were pretty cleaver to scare people into being good, and put their minds at ease about the unknown at the same time...

Edit: forgot to add this...

It has been proven that organic matter can in fact blink into existance through a series of naturally occuring events.

Also, if god is perfect, and he created man, he obviously went wrong somewhere. Unless god enjoys watching humans kill each other over religion (religion is the base of all war, research the start of all the wars in history and you'll find that 99.9% were due to religious conflicts) and just watches humans fight as a form of some twisted enjoyment, he is obviously not perfect. You just went into phenomanal detail to describe your own made up doctrine in wich you are your own deity. You also must have quite a faith in this beleif system because you are willing to stake your eternal soul on it. The instances of evolution around the world a few and far between with many of them either having very little scientific proof or having been proven hoaxes, mistakes, or weird medical cases. If evolution is in fact the system that gave birth to everything, then how come there is only a handfull of "instances" of it that are often times in-conclusive or downright not true. Reconstructing a whole skull around a single tooth and a skull fragment seems kinda weak to me. Also, where are the living instances of evolution? Is man the end? Is man as far as the evolutionary chain goes? If so, how come the monkeys we have today aren't becoming something else, human or otherwise. Mankind has spread to every corner of the world and has been around for quite some time and not once has any instance of missing link been found living on this planet.

As far as the Bible having no scientific backing, you couldn't be further from the truth. In the book of Joshua it says that God made the sun and moon stand still so the Isrealites could win their war. Scientists have studyed the rotation of the earth and the timeline of history and have found that some point along the way the earth did indeed "skip" a period of time in the earths rotation. There is also several scientific studys behind the proof of the Flood.

And you got one part right, i do fear God. Not in a, way you would think about it, but more of an intense respect for his power and righteousness. The way I see ii, God is not tolerant, but he is patient. If you ask God for forgivenss, it is granted, but as meany of you out there with children know, being forgiven does not nulify repercussions. God will forgive your sins if you ask and will let you in to heavan, but you have to understand that what you did is wrong, repent, and make an actuall effort to not do that again. And in case you haven't noticed yet, i am not getting uneasy, people get uneasy when beleif systems they are not confident and knowledgable about are being tested. They are unsure if it will actually hold up to scrutiny and get nervous. Thats the case with all people, not just Christians.

As far as you saying that there is no afterlife, that has no more "proof" then me saying it does. As far as animals and humans, the difference is in the soul (yes, I know, you don't buy it, but its true) humans can tell the difference between right and wrong, even if they choose to ignore it. When you do something wrong, you can feel it (assuming you have a conscience), animals don't, they act on instinct and training. There is no such thing as an evil animal, or a good animal for that matter.

You say that matter can "poof" itself into existence, I am going to have to see proof of that before I beleive it, because that breaks several well established laws of the universe. And no, God made no mistake. If you read Genesis, Adam and Eve where first created in a perfect world, the Garden of Eden, where they walked and talked with God. God gave humans the gift of freedom of choice, meaning that God could not force us to choose him and follow his rules, or reject him and not. Adam and Eve sinned, creating a rift between man and God. God gave man the choice, Man chose to not follow his rules. He could have scrapped the whole Humanity project right there, but he didn't. He told them there was still a way to get back to a perfect fellowship with God, by following the way he provided us so that we could go to heaven.

Also, even if there are certain circumstances that allow for spontaneous apperance of matter (wich I strongly doubt) who created those instances? At some point something had to be made, wheither it be primordial goo, the instnaces that allow for spontaneous construction, or completed humans and animals themselves.

My conclusion. We each have our own beleif system, and each requires faith. You obviously have faith that there is no afterlife, because you have no proof. I obviously have faith that there is because I have no proof. The fact is that every human being has a beleif system, cenetered around a deity. Some put nature in that deity spot, saying natures laws are ultimate, un-bendable standards of everything. Some put man in that spot, saying that we can, through thought and education, make themselves perfect. No one escapes this world without a beleif system and a deity. You have just set yourself up as your own deity in your beleif system.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Kaikou
Religious people are scared of science because it is slowly solving everything that was once known to be an "act of god".

Im not scared of science one bit, i love it and welcome it. The more things proven the better. The fact is nothing proven yet has disproved god in any way, and i dont think anything will. Kaikou, we are like ants trying to understand the functions of the human brain, we cant. you dont know everything and it all isnt black and white. Your asking why did god do this and this, it sounds like he messed up or blah blah. truth is you are thinking on a lower level. you cannot contimplate gods thinking, none of us can. Science and god for me, work together.

Just because the bible said so isnt good either. god didnt right the bible, humans did. You are obviously translating what little of the bible you have looked at too literally. The book of revolations is a scary one, but it all means something more powerful than i can understand therefor it is just scary to me.

Btw: I am orthodox christian, catholics broke off from us around 1000 ad then everything just kept breaking off of the thing before it. now theres methodist and all kinds of things.

EDIT: i have nothing against you kaikou, a lot of people believe what you do. and i think bob just hit a crapload of nails right on the head.

[Terran Sniper]

Oni, Terraforming will take a really long time. First you have to introduce greenhouse gasses to warm the planet, then put in plants to make oxygen, which is a long ass process, then there is the issue of getting people to pack up, leave their homes, and move millions of miles away onto an alien planet.

[Robot]

Originally posted by Terran Sniper
Oni, Terraforming will take a really long time. First you have to introduce greenhouse gasses to warm the planet, then put in plants to make oxygen, which is a long ass process, then there is the issue of getting people to pack up, leave their homes, and move millions of miles away onto an alien planet.

AND the whole issue of being able to create a breathable atmosphere and creating a magnetic field powerful enough to repel solar radiation

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Terran Sniper
Oni, Terraforming will take a really long time. First you have to introduce greenhouse gasses to warm the planet, then put in plants to make oxygen, which is a long ass process, then there is the issue of getting people to pack up, leave their homes, and move millions of miles away onto an alien planet.

?? did i mention terraforming?? wtf

[Kaikou]

your post is too long :p I'm just continuing this because it's fun to read everyone's replies with the universal "god exists and if you don't believe so I feel sorry for you". I don't wanna read entire essays because I'm just having fun with this.

Sure some biblical events have some scientific backing, such as the flood, but did you know that around 80% of what is land now used to be covered with water back in primal days? Perhaps the "big flood" turned out to be a set of circumstances where the earth got warmer, some of the polar ice caps melted and raised the water level. There was no evidence that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. Just evidence that water levels got higher for awhile.

I was talking about the biblical events that have in fact been proven to be false. I'm not a bible beater so I don't know a lot of them, but Earth is a solid chunk of rock. Not a bunch of pillars holding up whatever it was they were holding up..

I'd go on but I think I've planted enough anti-religion posts for the pro-religion people to flame me and entertain me for a good while...

Flame on! Tell me I'm lost! Tell me I'm going to hell! bwahaha it's all so entertaining! :p

[Onizuka]

You are lost, everything isnt so black and white. and those numbers mean nothing to me. read my posts.

[321]

There are a bunch of scientific facts about why the evolution theory is false. I've herd them over and over again and I know there is no evolution. I would tell you a really good explanition why it's false but I can't because I didn't remember all that stuff cause I understood what they meant but I'm only 12 so I can't give you a nice explanation like Bob or anyone.

[Robot]

Originally posted by Kaikou
I'd go on but I think I've planted enough anti-religion posts for the pro-religion people to flame me and entertain me for a good while...

Flame on! Tell me I'm lost! Tell me I'm going to hell! bwahaha it's all so entertaining! :p

now, this is just trolling.

[Kaikou]

nah, if anything the trolls are the ones saying I'm lost and I'm going to hell and such, because unlike my debate posts, those are unconstructive.

Nothing wrong with stirring up the crowd and sitting back and watching the chaos.

It's called being an instigator. Which I am at the moment and having quite a bit of fun being one.

[Onizuka]

did you read a single one of my posts. only god can judge where you go.

[Kaikou]

If they were short and sweet, yeah I probably read it, saying one is lost though is implying that they aren't favored by a god. So I just figured thats what was being implied.

It doesn't bother me though, I don't believe in a heaven or hell, so saying I'm going to hell doesn't really apply. What right do you have to judge if I'm "lost" if I don't believe in religion in the first place? That's kinda like the other religions around the world crashing planes into buildings because we aren't following their religions...

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by Kaikou
your post is too long :p I'm just continuing this because it's fun to read everyone's replies with the universal "god exists and if you don't believe so I feel sorry for you". I don't wanna read entire essays because I'm just having fun with this.

Sure some biblical events have some scientific backing, such as the flood, but did you know that around 80% of what is land now used to be covered with water back in primal days? Perhaps the "big flood" turned out to be a set of circumstances where the earth got warmer, some of the polar ice caps melted and raised the water level. There was no evidence that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. Just evidence that water levels got higher for awhile.

I was talking about the biblical events that have in fact been proven to be false. I'm not a bible beater so I don't know a lot of them, but Earth is a solid chunk of rock. Not a bunch of pillars holding up whatever it was they were holding up..

I'd go on but I think I've planted enough anti-religion posts for the pro-religion people to flame me and entertain me for a good while...

Flame on! Tell me I'm lost! Tell me I'm going to hell! bwahaha it's all so entertaining! :p Ok, so the worlds ice caps melted over a couple of hundred of years and the earths water level raised slowly rose, but that does not account for fossils. Fossils are living matter that has been caught up suddenly under earth and rock. Even the slowest moving animals wouldn't have been caught by the rising waters of your theory.

If you think you have an instance where the Bible is proven wrong, go ahead and post it. I am interested to hear where you have succeded where anti-christian theologists have failed for years.

I guess you might not respond to this, seeing as how you find it all so entertaining. Or maybe your just a little uneasy. And perhaps you should be.

[321]

I didn't say he didn't make monkeys!!! He created everything I said I don't think we evolved from monkeys or anything else.

[Kaikou]

lol militantbob, I'm having fun because I get to keep pissing you people off. I tried to stay constructive with it but it became negative, so now I'm just having my bit of instigating fun.

So yes I'll reply.

Anti-christian theologists have failed for years because no matter how much proof they get against a certain something, the christians will just say "it's written in the bible, therefore it's true". It's not worth trying to get someone like that to understand scientific proof. Ever try reasoning with a 3 year old why it would be better if the other kid gets the lolipop instead of him? It's kinda like that.

[ghost018]

So many people are challenging him that he has to retreat to the "I'm still posting to piss you people off!" line. That's the real entertainment.

ghost

PS: I started writing this reply before his post directly above this one was submitted. Did I call that or what?

[Kaikou]

think what you will, I don't run away because a bunch of religious people are challenging me, I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. But in all honesty it is truly fun to get religious people worked up.

[Onizuka]

Kaikou, why are you laughing. Your better than this.... if this is all a flame-baiting game to try and piss off religious people, bug off. I have explained what i thought, and so has everyone else. You have to believe there are many types of christianity, and i am proud of mine.

The happiest people wander the desert, i know its true.

[Kaikou]

Onizuka, I'm just playing the game that seems to have formed from this used-to-be-debate. It was somewhat constructive. But if you guys are allowed to try and bash down my beliefs, wouldn't it only be fair if I was allowed to do the same? As I said before the debate was fun. I don't care if anyone believes me, because I know for a fact that none of you will ever believe me, and you should know as well that I will never believe you. It's one of those stale-mate debates that should have ended before it started and I as well am at fault for letting it go on and turn into what it currently is.

Just know, that I like debating, often times I'll even go against something I believe to be true just to get a good debate in. I've always enjoyed debate class in school so I guess it's just in my nature to like debating online as well.

Onizuka, I like you, if I offended you I apologize, militantbob, I don't really even know..so I have to hold judgement there, whoever else.. It wasn't meant to offend you, it was meant to express my opinion, and see what yours was.

Maybe I just hate religion so much because it was constantly forced on me when I was young and still is today (as I go to a catholic school, and though I'm not religious and would rather be somewhere else, it has the best education in the state) I like to gather the facts and make my own decision, which religion, to me, seems to contradict.

[Onizuka]

:love: no you didnt offend me, you just said some things that bothered me, but i have to realize, a lot of people think the way you do. I used to like debating, but i always felt i was on the wrong side (well who doesnt) so now i just dont. Unless it is Religion (or when it comes to drugs with tek :) )

Having a set religion forced on you isnt good. I remember a while back my parents said i could come to church or not. I went and thought eh kinda boring, but the more i read about its true deepness the more i am enthralled. Again im referring to the orthodox church.

To me religion isnt about proving everything with details and numbers, or picking at every little thing.

I just hope you are making the correct decision kaikou, and not trying the other side. By that i mean trying a different type of christianity, and not being force fed it. :)

[Kaikou]

I dunno the way I see it, if you're a good person, and there is a god, he probably doesn't care if you believe in him or worship him.

When I was 5 my parents would force me to go to church with them, and even at that age I had my doubts. No religion can't be proven by science, and it really can't be disproven either.

(BTW my whole "religion will be disproven by science eventually" was not really what I thought, thats where the argument turned sour methinks)

Anyways, no hard feelings all, I just jump at every debate chance I get, whether it's a good debate or a debate I don't have enough supporting evidence to have a case with.

[Mr1337Duck]

And I hate those bastards that memorize liek 50 fricken quotes from the bible, exactly, with its exact location in the bible. If it's a very important thing for your argument, that's fine, but if you just memorize them... congratulations, you're a dumbass.

[Kaikou]

Kinda like that guy I know who memorized PI up to the.. 4000th digit.

There's supposedly someone out there that memorized it up to somewhere in the 200,000th digit area but I don't know him O_o

[r3d]

Sorry for trolling but as hamma would say if he thought this thread sucked, well

This thread sucks

[Revenant]

Originally posted by Mr1337Duck
It was a lunch table discussion. We aren't allowed to pick where we sit

:rofl:


Originally posted by r3d
This thread sucks

Agreed.
3rd times a charm. So one more thread like this by "mrl33tduck" then there's going to have to be a "l33t" boot up his "l33t" ass....

[321]

I don't think it sucks.

[Revenant]

Well ok, it doesn't "suck" per se.

But there's 3 things you never debate with friends and family.
1. politics
2. religion
3. ..... uuhh

Ok ok, so 2 things you never debate with friends and family... :p


A debate about religion is just going to eventually turn to a flame-fest. And therefore the "sucks" comes into play....

[321]

I don't think it'll always turn into a flame-fest. And I don't really think it's a debate about religion anymore.

[Kaikou]

Originally posted by Revenant
Well ok, it doesn't "suck" per se.

But there's 3 things you never debate with friends and family.
1. politics
2. religion
3. ..... uuhh

Ok ok, so 2 things you never debate with friends and family... :p


A debate about religion is just going to eventually turn to a flame-fest. And therefore the "sucks" comes into play....

I must agree, go read the political debate area on these forums and count the ones that *didn't* become a flame fest, out of the whole archive of posts if you can get more than a 1 digit number...that would be suprising...

[321]

They are just saying what they think is right its not flaming.

[Kaikou]

yeah but naturally most humans have the tendency to become hostile towards others who disagree..dunno why, just in our nature

edit: I'm taking psychology this year :D

[321]

Originally posted by Kaikou
edit: I'm taking psychology this year :D

:D . I haven't been hostile to anyone that disagreed with me, maybe TR aren't human!

[Robot]

Originally posted by Kaikou
yeah but naturally most humans have the tendency to become hostile towards others who disagree..dunno why, just in our nature

it's to defend their opinion. all humans have a set of assumptions about the world, and we also hate to be proven wrong. hence, when someone challenges our assumption, we defend it vicariously.

[ajohn505]

Make not vain repetitions. 'Nuff said.

Look it up in your precious holy book.

Catholicisim != biblical x-ianity.

"Pray the Rosary Daily for Eternal Damnation"

[Sentrosi]

I feel that each person has their belief system and that it's their right to have it. What gives me the right to go and try to convert somoene over to my religion anyway? It's the same God. Same religious document (the Bible). We may look at it a different way, but it's still the Bible. More wars have been fought over "God" than any single thing in this world.

Saying your religion pwns his/her religion is just ignorant. Live your religion; don't worry about anyone elses. If this offends anyone who reads this, please flame on. It's my opinion that matters to me. I'll listen to arguements, but don't call me ignorant for believing the way I believe.

[X-113]

You know, I've always found it interesting how people who believe only in science insist that religious people are afraid of death.

Shouldnt the sci-guys be afraid of death? I mean, according to science, the only thing that makes "you" is your brain. Your brain ceases to function when you die. All those electrical sequences that once made up youre personality and thoughts and memories are GONE. YOU no longer exist, anywhere, anytime, in any dimension.

I dont know, but that sounds scarier then the average Joes version of Hell, no?

One more thing, I have no idea why people are using "science" to defend their cases with such zeal. Look close enough and you can find almost as many loopholes in science as you can in any religion. People who accuse other of having blind faith while they themselves are blindly following something that they believe to be right (ONLY because others told them so, as well) are the worlds largest hypocrits.

So in conclusion, no, Onizuka, you are not right. No, Kaikou, you are not right. In the end the Universe is something so messed up no human brain can truly comprehend its infinite complexity. :love:

[firecrackerNC]

ok some questions for all you religous people,Why did god create dinosaurs? Why did he let them roam the earth for so long?Was the meteror that hit the earth his way of cleaning up a failed prodject?And if Im already dead,like a spirit,how can I feel torment and pain in hell?

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by firecrackerNC
ok some questions for all you religous people,Why did god create dinosaurs? Why did he let them roam the earth for so long?Was the meteror that hit the earth his way of cleaning up a failed prodject?And if Im already dead,like a spirit,how can I feel torment and pain in hell?

Im wondering how you can ask such dumb questions. Again, i dont understand why god did anything, its like a microbe trying to understand the inner workings of our brain. Why? I dont know, but i do know where we are now.

[Squeeky]

<--Petition to move this to Religion board-->

:p

[Nimbus]

First off, I agree with Squeaky. Move teh thread!

Second. This isn't up for debate. You can't argue that a watermelon isn't a melon because it is different from muskmelon or canteloupe. It still is, it's just not exactly the same.
Here is Webster's dictionary definition of Christianity
1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies

As you can see, Catholicism is a Christian religion as a Christian religion is essentially any religion that believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and our savior. Even the MORMONS are technically Christian. ( No offense to Mormoms, but hey, you are fun to tease.)

[Mr1337Duck]

When you die, your body is not thrown into hell, your soul is. Your soul is just like your body, and it feels the pain of hell.

[Everay]

I didnt Read all of this, but i found some of you to be wondering, what made the bacteria, well, its not such a complex question as you may think, the answer is quite simple, you see, Humans, come from the stars, and to tell you everything we must go back to the big bang. After the first 100,000 years stars began to form, out of the 2 elements avalible, Hydrogen and Helium, the two lightest elements, and inside those stars, heavyer elements were formed, well after many generations of stars, the basic elements required to make life were there, and during the creation of our sun, our planet was formed from the large masses of dirt, that surrounded our starting star ( dust from the nebula our star, and we come from ). well, as time went on, and our earth began to cool, and H2O was on our planet, the basic gases, that were on our planet back then ( i forgot what they were ) were electrified by lightning and then began to form the first organic matter on this planet, basic proteins, which then later formed single celled orginisims called prokaryotes, which later became more advanced and formed Eukaryotes......damn im good



EDIT: BTW the lightning and the basic gases thing, that was proven in a labratory, some scientist got some basic gases and sent electricity through them, and found that proteins were formed

[Mr1337Duck]

Yes.. and naturally this is just a big fucking coincidence.

:p

[Solitudinem]

My point here will be...there are essentially 2 major views on how the earth came into being..

1: Evolution...has not been proved, and, in my opinion, can not be proved, majorly because of the Laws of Probability.

2: Creationism...has not been proved, will not be proved, but who knows, maybe there is a god, I believe it loosely, mainly because if there turns out to be one, and I believed something else, I'd be fucked :D

[Hamma]

Religion threads suck.

[Happy lil Elf]

Yay, nothing like people trying to have a debate while using blind faith as an argument.

This thread doesn't suck, just some of the participants.

[Kaikou]

Woah this is still going? O_o

What was I going to say..

Oh yeah, X-113, scientific people aren't afraid of death because they believe that when you die, you cease to exist, including your conscience, meaning you won't think anymore, or feel anymore. You're dead. I'd get into more but I don't want to ignite another flame war. I usually don't piss people off unless I'm excessively bored (I was excessively bored last night). You must admit though, it is funny seeing the replies of pissed off people.

Tanoshii indeed!

[Onizuka]

im scientific.

[Kaikou]

lemme rephrase that..

people who believe in evolution

[Onizuka]

i believe in evolution.

[Kaikou]

gah! ok ok people who don't believe there is an afterlife.

[Onizuka]

True lol. I fear death, but in a good way, like i fear god. When i die its my time to go... thats all.

[Vick]

This is the religion thread started by the same guy who started the "is my penis small" thread.

[Zodiac]

all you need is :love:

edit: ok that was fucking gay, someone flame me, i cant really do it myself. :o

[Flammey]

OKAY, I HAVE A SAYING FOR YOU ALL.....

"Just going to church every Sunday doesn't make you Christian, any more than standing in a Garage makes you a car."

Think about it......

As for my God, Well, He's human. His name's Ozzy Osbourne. hehehe


Believe what you must believe, if it'll make you feel better. Me, I don't fear death, nor do I fear hell. I'm already in hell. I believe in reincarnation. Why else am I still here?

[GonePostal]

i love it when people say they dont fear death nor hell but when it comes down to it they would piss themselves facing certain death

[Mr1337Duck]

Lol at Zodiac, all you need is love? You want some anal sex, pussy. Go find a gay guy, he'll love you so much he'll stick his dick in your booty.



That good enough?

[GonePostal]

AHHHH^^^ WTFS!:mad:


plz try to keep the cack to a minimum

[Zodiac]

Originally posted by Mr1337Duck
Lol at Zodiac, all you need is love? You want some anal sex, pussy. Go find a gay guy, he'll love you so much he'll stick his dick in your booty.



That good enough?

http://herbertwong.homestead.com/files/poohwtf.jpg

[Sputty]

Homophobe alert
http://knollsoft.com/sputty/siren.gif

[Flammey]

Originally posted by GonePostal
i love it when people say they dont fear death nor hell but when it comes down to it they would piss themselves facing certain death

Negative. I don't fear death. I fear life.

[Vick]

I think it has something to do with the fact his penis is small. And the fact that he cares. And the fact he posted about it on an interweb forum.

[Mr1337Duck]

Well, you said you wanted to be flamed but couldn't do it yourself...

:)

[Kaikou]

:nono:

[Zatrais]

Proof of evolution, look at diseases. Theres a reason for why antibiotics stop working on them. They evolve to become immune to them. Granted, no diseases afaik is immune to all forms of antibiotics cause we've made several types of them but theres only getting more and more types of bacteria thats immune.

Mutations always happen in the DNA of living things, the mutations thats better than the previous one will take over the older one, the mutations thats worse will die off. Natural selection.

Just think of the countless species thats died off over the millions of years life has been on earth.

Evolution is constant, its always there. Everything is always evolving to be better at life.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Flammey
As for my God, Well, He's human. His name's Ozzy Osbourne. hehehe

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Hamma]

I should lock this thread, no good can come of it.

[Kaikou]

No good can come of it, true. But it can be very entertaining :D

[Everay]

Originally posted by Zatrais
Proof of evolution, look at diseases. Theres a reason for why antibiotics stop working on them. They evolve to become immune to them. Granted, no diseases afaik is immune to all forms of antibiotics cause we've made several types of them but theres only getting more and more types of bacteria thats immune.

Mutations always happen in the DNA of living things, the mutations thats better than the previous one will take over the older one, the mutations thats worse will die off. Natural selection.

Just think of the countless species thats died off over the millions of years life has been on earth.

Evolution is constant, its always there. Everything is always evolving to be better at life.



True true, but you also forget that certan traits are better at other times, like for instance, there was a stick bug, that at one point had wings, 50,000 years ago, we know this due to fossils, well then it lost its wings, why you ask? because bugs with wings lay less eggs, than bugs that walk, and recently, they found that same bug with wings. Re-Evolution that is called. Scientific American, a few months ago, reported that. BTW, the reason Anti biotics are losing their effectiveness is because, docters perscribe them too much, thus, the desises are becoming more immune, its sorta like our white blood cells, the more they come in contact with foreign bacteria, the better they are at eliminating it

[Robot]

Originally posted by Everay
BTW, the reason Anti biotics are losing their effectiveness is because, docters perscribe them too much, thus, the desises are becoming more immune, its sorta like our white blood cells, the more they come in contact with foreign bacteria, the better they are at eliminating it

aka: evolution.

[Solitudinem]

I consider evolution being a change from species to species... not changes within a species..

[Robot]

Originally posted by Solitudinem
I consider evolution being a change from species to species... not changes within a species..

you have some sort of weird dictionary from the alternate universe of jksflksdfjksdfopsdf or something, then

evolution is the gradual change of a species into another species. growing a resistance to a certain antibiotic creates a different strain of the virus: hence, a new species.

[Solitudinem]

...no... it is a new strain of the *same* species of virus..not an entirely new species.

[Robot]

Originally posted by Solitudinem
...no... it is a new strain of the *same* species of virus..not an entirely new species.

my bad. still, the point is: evolution is the gradual progression from species to species, which typically involves physical or chemical changes within its structural DNA. (in this case, resistances against an anti-biotic.)

[Everay]

there are two types of evolution proposed, the gradual, Micro-Evolution amd then theres the big step evolution, scientist dont know which one takes place, and still debate about it, but i think Micro Evolution is what happens

[Mr1337Duck]

Minor evolution from a wallabe or whatnot to a kangaroo is one thing, that does happen.

Look at natural laws, water evaporates. Simple enough, you say. But WHY does it evaporate? What causes these processes to happen in the first place? Why doesn't water explode instead of evaporating? Science cannot answer why such basic laws of nature are even there. Look at how immensely complex the universe is, just dwell on that for a while.

[Robot]

Originally posted by Everay
there are two types of evolution proposed, the gradual, Micro-Evolution amd then theres the big step evolution, scientist dont know which one takes place, and still debate about it, but i think Micro Evolution is what happens

micro-evolution is a gradual thing that adds up, which creates large-scale evolutionary leaps. remember, evolution takes millions of years at a time to create a new species.

Originally posted by Mr1337Duck
Look at natural laws, water evaporates. Simple enough, you say. But WHY does it evaporate? What causes these processes to happen in the first place? Why doesn't water explode instead of evaporating? Science cannot answer why such basic laws of nature are even there. Look at how immensely complex the universe is, just dwell on that for a while.

of course science can't answer why things happen, on a base level. science is just there to tell you how things happen.

science isn't attempting to solve why we're here or why the universe came to be, science is here to make sense of the universe.

[Mr1337Duck]

Thank you, we are now on the same page. Science can't disprove religion, religion can't disprove science. And it is up to people to decide which they trust more.

[Zodiac]

Originally posted by Kaikou
No good can come of it, true. But it can be very entertaining :D

bashing religion is entertaining? :rolleyes:

edit: lock it please hamma

[Squeeky]

I am Squeeky, your interweb savior. Worship me...


-thread over-

[Derfud]

I for one beleive that anyone who follows the bible wholeheartedly, or any other religious book for that matter, and does not question anything it says is no longer human. They are just a shell, living life from a book. The defenition of human is to question, and strive for greater things. Not to accept everything at face value, becuase it could be a deception. I do not beleive that ma created god, but man created their god. Maybe there is some higher power, who knows, but it is definately NOT THE ONE IN A BOOK WRITTEN BY MAN! I do beleive that our conciousness is the electric currents flowing through our brains, and that it is dipersed to the world around us when we die. So we can forever observe, but no longer affect actions made in the world.

[firecrackerNC]

^ what he said

[Flammey]

I don't know, I think religion is just another way for men to control other people's thoughts. Think about that for a while.

[Everay]

Originally posted by Mr1337Duck
Thank you, we are now on the same page. Science can't disprove religion, religion can't disprove science. And it is up to people to decide which they trust more.


one of the things on this thread i agree 100% with

[Robot]

Originally posted by Derfud
Maybe there is some higher power, who knows, but it is definately NOT THE ONE IN A BOOK WRITTEN BY MAN!

how are you sure of this?

if you say "well, I just FEEL it's this way!" then you're no better than the guys reading the book

Originally posted by Flammey
I don't know, I think religion is just another way for men to control other people's thoughts. Think about that for a while.

for what purpose? money? offerings barely garner enough for a salary of an average working person. power? no one's going to jump off a cliff if you say jesus told you to. there's nothing to be gained from controlling a mass, unless you're a televangelist or some other form of a hoaxer. (who simply use religion as a tool and their charisma as a back-buffer.)

[Flammey]

FOR THE PURPOSE OF WHAT? For the purpose of POWER, man.
What one thing above money do many people crave? Power over others.

EDIT: I'm not also saying that all religions try to control others for power. But look at religions like Extreme Muslism.

[Kaikou]

Originally posted by Zodiac
bashing religion is entertaining? :rolleyes:

To an extent, it's more the reaction you get from people that is the entertaining part.

[Everay]

you know, alot of comedians make fun of religion to make the crowd laugh.