Very strict grief system

[Otis]

Today I blew up an AMS with 2 other prowlers firing at it, they drove right at it as I blew it up. The AMS exploded, then blew up the other two Prowlers. Since I got the credit for blowing up the AMS, I also got the credit for blowing up the prowlers. It was an instant 800 grief. This is not how it used to be, and I don't like it. The whole night I got occasional weapon's lock's for anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes. I got off the first one right before an Outfit Op too, close one.

[Sentrosi]

Hint for you....

Shooting at green names = bad

Shooting at red names = good

I have never received over 300 grief at any time in this game, even when I was a Pounder MAX for one week.

[Shadowsword8]

And can we know why you were still firing at the AMS when you had to know the prowlers were in the blast radius? Because you absolutly wanted the kills?

You should have stopped firing long enough for the prowlers to go away (if they're smart)...
800 Grief points is too much, but you had it coming...

[Trebor95]

you must have had a lot of grief previous.

I've done more or less the same as you from zero grief and gor 50ish

800 is madness

[Veteran]

Considering what detestable little vermin TKs and griefers are, I'm happy with a strict grief system. The devs know better than we do what kind of penalty is necessary to make sure it isn't exploitable.

[321]

Wow 800 grief that is really unfair. But yeah I've never destroyed a friendly vehicle before. The highest grief I've ever gotten was like 25 or 30. And I've been playing Planetside for 2 months.

[00AgentDuck]

Highest grief I've gotten is around 300 something. That was from when there was a huge zerg we were fighting and I was a burster max. What would happen is people would run in front of my fire, even though I stayed in one spot and kept on firing and they could see that. They would jump in front of my fire and the enemies so they would die almost instantly. The grief system now is based on I think how much grief you do in a certain period. Like if you normally get 1 grief from hurting a player with one bullet, then if you had gotten about 100 grief very recently, the 1 grief point you would normally get from the bullet would be alot bigger.

[Piith]

I've gotten 80 before basicly the same situation, but this was a harrasser, and a couple peeps behind the target that I did not see, I didnt think the harrasser was close enough, but apparently it was, but that was just for 80, but, damn 800, thats alot,
takes me all night just to get 400 using the pounder, but that was just once

[ZionsFire]

I have never been over 100 grief:p

[Searo]

My squad got into a TK war with these asshats, and I didn't make 100 grief.
Then later I accidentally bombed a guy in that enemy TKer squad, and I was like, oh shit, they're gonna be after me again.
I sent the guy a tell, and he was cool about it.

[Rbstr]

I jus tgo up to 900 the fist time yesterday and that was becuase i was gunnin g for a vang in a huge fight, these idiots kept going right infont of the vang and they got hit, Also in some wierd bug i got credit for a TR OS that hit in the cortyard next to me, blowing up a vang and 3 people, i got five kills worth of grief, i'm not even capable of osing seeing as how i am only cr2

[dscytherulez]

Heh, my highest grief was 978, i always log b4 weapons lock, then just play on a dif server for a while. That was with a pounder and cycler max, and special assualt. I dont like to hold back in tower battles, if ppl feel they need to run in front of my max, they are welcome 2 but the wont get very far...It's their own damn fault!

Edit: I think all pounder max users should unite and do a massive attack thing that whenever friendlies run in front of them and theyre firing they dont stop. The reason most ppl run in front of you while your firing is because everyone is afraid of getting grief!!!! They know most ppl will stop firing! If everyone just kept going, wed have less idiots running in front of firing guns...who in their right mind would do that in a REAL war?

[Otis]

No I had not recieved any grief before that. Sentrosi, I know how to Play the game. Another thing, Prowlers can get going pretty fast, they came around the front gate just as I fired my last box of rocklet ammo, so I couldn't run up there and get the rocklets back or something. As soon as I fired my last rocklet I saw the two prowlers coming around the corners. I don't know why they kept driving towards the AMS when they just could have shot at it. So no I didn't have it coming, and no I don't deserve 800 grief for blowing up an enemy AMS, which blew up two friendly prowlers. Other than this I'd say the grief system is pretty good. But come on, 800 grief?

[noxious]

I do think greif when concerning vehicles is too extreme. Sometimes I am sitting, stationary, and a stupid magrider or thresher slams into me, and I get 20 greif for absolutely nothing. And then you have people who, while you're moving slowly through the courtyard walk into the side of your vehicle, causing greif as well. This isn't as bad since it only gives 1-10 greif. But seriously, the greif given for even tapping friendly vehicles is absurd.

[Flammey]

I got 10 grief this morning for getting run over my a Basalisk in my own Sanc. I had no chance to move. I /appealed it. That was bullshit. Reaction time against a vehicle going 80 kmph that just came into my view is not very fast. I jumped. AND in fact, I cleared him when I jumped. I jumped over him, and still got run over.

[Sentrosi]

I see that the 50 mile kill zone for magriders doesn't pertain to them anymore.


nerf deh Vanu Basilisk!

[Phaden]

I have also gotten the orbital strike of a TR in my name.

For a while i was running above 600 grief but as i got beter at the game, my grief went down. I still of course get grief for morrons running into my Line of fire, but never that much. 800 sounds relaly high but im not going to argue with you about this or that. I do know i was in a similar situation in a reaver and i only got 100 some grief.

[Veteran]

If you didn't get grief for having your vehicle hit someone, griefers would constantly run people over. If you didn't get grief for being run over, griefers would constantly run in front of vehicles to force the driver to take a grief penalty.

Thank the witless turds who force this situation in every online game.

[Flammey]

Yeah, but I had no chance to get out of the way. Otherwise I would have. I'm not some stupid who runs in front of other vehicles if he sees them. I try not to get killed. I like staying alive.

"Ah ah ah ah, Staying alive, staying alive, ah ah ah ah Staying ALIIIIIVVEEE."

[noxious]

The strage thing is I get run over quite often and 90% of the time (possibly more) I get no greif for it.

I would love to hear some comments on vehicle collision greif however. It seems that when you do perhaps take only a sliver off the other vehicles health bar for a collision, you get massive greif.

As for more effective looting solutions. When looting non energy based weapons (as VS we have it easy :)) It can be far safter to loot only the weapon, run back to a tower/base, and have a favorite setup containing your usual favorite except with the looted weapons ammo type and an empty weapon slot. When you buy the fav, it will drop the gun to the ground, you look down, press G and you're set. I do this for both jacks and chains and as of late I end up using those two guns more than the lasher in the smaller fights where the backpacks don't instantly dissapear. (I think that is spelled wrong, I hate that word =D)

[gonnagetyou]

I was coming off the vehicle terminal in auto drive and right at the moment that I got control, my Lightning rear ended a Magrider someone had parked in the courtyard and along the auto drive path. In about 2 seconds I got over 500 grief before I could swivel the Lightning around and get out of there.

The grief system isn't perfect, and I can understand how hard it would be to think of every possible senario that might accrue grief accidentely in huge amounts.

Over all I like the grief system though and if you're constantly in the high hundreds then you're deffinantly a griefer whither you want to admit it or not. I've used Pounders and Thumpers a lot and I've never raked up the grief that others complain about.

Then again I was in the military and I know how to shoot and move around on the battlefield without hitting friendlies or getting hit myself when I want to. Sometimes it's fun to just rush in guns blazing though without having to worry about all that real world crap.:D

[shadowseed]

90% of the time, any grief points i get are from my idoits running into my line of fire, and/or directly in front of me.

Too many people are so eager to get the exp. points for a kill, they will run in front of your line of fire to do so, i mean, come on!, im in a MAX firing missiles down a corridor at 3 TR's, and some twat runs in right in front of me. Not only does he become a bacon sandwich, but the TRs escape round a corner, i get greif points for whacking this guy and the sudden nearness of my rockets hitting something does me damage....

800 grief points is a bit extream..... i dont think you should get grief points for destroying a vechical which explodes and takes out near by friendllys.... they should not be so close to the vechical....

[Aegis]

People that insist on running right up to an nme AMS a reaver/tank/dec is blowing up deserve to get killed for their stupidity.

[Rightwing]

Hi, my name is ChRoMeBuLLeT, and I'm here to call your bluff.

The ONLY way that you POSSIBLY got 800 grief from that, is if you had been nicking friendlies prior to blowing up the AMS+Two Prowlers.

The system works like this, you shoot a friendly with one bullet, you get +1 or +2 grief points, the next time you do it, that +1 or +2 becomes +4, and each shot doubles the previous amount.

If you shoot a Phoenix and nail a friendly Reaver, thats definitely +10 grief, however, if you shoot him again, you will get +20, regardless of whether or not the previous +10 has left your screen.

So the way I see it, you get 10 grief, regardless of how many people you kill simultaneously. For example, I was being a general ass, and I Boomered the veh pad, killing 5, whereas I only got 10 grief.

So you killing the Prowler, assuming they were both fully crewed, thats three kills per Prowler, plus the vehicle multiplier, that would come out at 20 grief per pop..

Unless you had blown up a friendly Reaver prior to this incident, there is no way that the grief would stack that fast.

Bye, I have called your bluff.

[shadowseed]

Originally posted by TheRealPSJunkie
Hi, my name is ChRoMeBuLLeT, and I'm here to call your bluff.
yaddda yadda yadda
Bye, I have called your bluff.

Ok, there may have been people he could not see, that would add to the cascading effect ?

And , it could happaned like this :
Prowler one blows up with driver,
prowler ones gunner dies,
prowler two blows up with driver,
prowler two gunner dies...

Could be any number of things...

[Intruder]

Originally posted by dscytherulez
Heh, my highest grief was 978, i always log b4 weapons lock, then just play on a dif server for a while. That was with a pounder and cycler max, and special assualt. I dont like to hold back in tower battles, if ppl feel they need to run in front of my max, they are welcome 2 but the wont get very far...It's their own damn fault!


As far as I knew your grief carried over between servers and characters...

[dymetrie]

i agree with shadowseed, as i also play as a MAX, and the amount of times i've sidestepped into an enemy tower to rain missiles down on the support coming up from spawn, only to have some gimp from my Empire run round me and straight into my line of fire (and where TR are involved, usually their Max's line of fire below) is bloody phenomenal...
whilst i'm not gonna say that i haven't got in the way of someone else's fire (which would be lying for anyone to say it, i mean we've all done it, even if it's by accident) then it seems daft to me to not pay attention to what the huge armoured git you're running round is doing!..

end rant

Dym

[User58]

It is kind of strict. I recall a time when me and another squadmeat, er mate that is, were both blasting on an nme vehicle in our base and he walked right next to the thing and got him self killed colaterally. I got the grief when actually we both knew what we were trying to accomplish, destruction of an nme vehicle. Besides the grief, I got a mild chewing out from my dearly departed friend.

It was actually suicide if you ask me.


:D :D :D :D

[Madcow]

Originally posted by Intruder
As far as I knew your grief carried over between servers and characters...

Unless they've changed something recently, grief doesn't carry over if you switch from a West Coast server to an East Coast server or vice versa. If you go from Johari to Markov, the grief does carry.

[Aegis]

I like the 'you killed me by accident but i am gonna find you and kill you' flaming types, promptly reported :D

[Veteran]

I'm br20 and I've never had more than 150 grief, even though I've spent most of my career as a Pounder. I think this is because I have 1.5gb RAM and broadband. I think people with < 512mb RAM or 56k are much more likely to get grief because they are less likely to be seeing real-time images of the battlefield. I really think this game requires a minimum of 512mb RAM and broadband, but that's just my opinion.

[Madcow]

I'm on a 56k and I don't think I've ever cracked 100 grief, and I've spent tons of time as a Pounder. The connection has absolutely nothing to do with grief as any damage done by me must be done on my screen (therefore eliminating lag as an excuse). Broadband would certainly help me to stay alive in a lot more situations, but lack of broadband doesn't equal grief.

[noxious]

The most greif you can get from firing a single shot, IE blowing up an enemy AMS with friendlies near it, crashing a vehicle, etc etc is 10 pending no previous greif within a certain time period (I do not know what this period is, or how much greif must have been accumliated previously for it to give more than 10). The problem with vehicles is that you will sometimes end up side by side with another, and they tap each other lightly, doing almost no damage, but causing massive greif.

Madcow -
Correct, greif is shared on both east coast and then seperately on both west coast servers.

Veteran -
It doesn't matter what you see. If you see a guy out in the open, and he sees himself next to a tree, you still damage him as if he really were out in the open still, hence the vehicle problem. You would have to be lagging extremely bad for it to make it any more difficult (IE players warping around the screen [I don't even know if that can happen in PS or not]).

[Madcow]

Originally posted by noxious
IE players warping around the screen [I don't even know if that can happen in PS or not]).

It can, but when the lag is bad enough for the warping to happen it's actually next to impossible to run into anything.