History

[Sputty]

If you want to talk about history do it here.

[Myhouse43]

Seriously though, if you want people to talk about history don't just say "Here's a spot to talk about history! Go!" like its official or something. I hat these kind of stupid-ass threads!!!!

[Doobz]

hey, no need to call people's threads stupid-ass.

so, ill just toss a history topic out there for everybody to begin on. The fall of the Roman Empire

[Warborn]

History dicussions usually just sort of happen spontaneously in a separate thread. Might not have a lot of luck with this thread, unless someone does this:

The Italians in WW2 were the most horrible fighting force on the planet, save the few African countries they liked to bully to boost their ego. In fact, they were so horrendous, that I'd argue they were really more of a burden on the Germans than they were any help.


Damn, posted your Roman thing a second before I posted a WW2 one. Bloody hell, Romans suck, WW2 is far more interesting.

[Sputty]

I just don't want every thread to be moved or whatever. Too many game discussions lead to history and a fwe comparisons are ok but most of the time it's just saying historic things that are very lossely, if at all, related to the thread.

[Hamma]

What kind of history :brow:

[Sputty]

Any kind. I was guessing if someone brought something up they could be told to go to this thread or wanted to talk about something specific. As I typed earlier I just want some of the history things out of the game discussions.

[Civilian]

Speaking of the Roman Empire, I'm reading a book called Gods and Legions...it's not that good :)

Maybe the topic "History" is a little to broad, I dunno.

[Navaron]

Armenius was a pimp. Simple as that. I'm going to name my dog after him.

[Doobz]

pimpin' roman dogs!

excellent!

[Navaron]

I know, how cool is that. That'll be cool to yell across the neighborhood. Army, thats a good nickname for a dog.

[Manitou]

Originally posted by Warborn
The Italians in WW2 were the most horrible fighting force on the planet, save the few African countries they liked to bully to boost their ego. In fact, they were so horrendous, that I'd argue they were really more of a burden on the Germans than they were any help.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I so agree.... hahaha That was so funny. Italy... lol

[Doobz]

they had a pretty ok airforce though

[Navaron]

So whose worse- as a culture and fighting force - the french or the italians?

[Revolution]

I think that if we took all the gang-bangers in the Souther California area and made them into an army they could beat both the French and Itailans(Assuming we could transport them back into time)
:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Manitou]

My youngest daughters gym class could whip the Italians in a war...

[Warborn]

they had a pretty ok airforce though

During the early stages of the war (read: when they almost had their entire armed forces annihilated by a small garrison of British troops) they were using bi-planes from WW1. Frickin' bi-planes. Can you imagine flying one of those against a Hawker Hurricane or even a Spitfire? Needless to say, they didn't stand a chance.

They Italians did have a good Navy though... before the British sunk most of it, anyway. And what little the Italians had left, they were afraid to use.

So whose worse- as a culture and fighting force - the french or the italians?

Good question. I'd have to say the French though. The basic Italian soldier was OK if you made mixed units of Germans and Italians, because the Italians didn't like being outdone (they were fairly cocky, despite the fact that they sucked) so they'd pick up their socks in an effort to show the Germans they were sharing a unit with that they were good fighters too.

The French, on the other hand, were very fond of surrendering. Most of the French Army was made of conscripts, and many of them were drunk when the Germans showed up. For all the men and tanks they had, they put up an exceedingly meager fight. So, as a nation, I'd have to say that the French were worse. Although, they definitely had better officers. Italy's terrible officers were a big part of why the rest of their fighting forces sucked. You can't have good soldiers if your officers are panty-waist tree-huggers like Nicholas Cage's character from Captain Corelli's Mandolin.

[Sputty]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
So whose worse- as a culture and fighting force - the french or the italians?
The Italians. Oooohhh...look at me!!!! I like to change sides to whoevers winning!

[Warborn]

They changed sides because there was a rebellion and Benito "The Lapdog" Mussilini was removed from power. Honestly though, I can't see that it made a difference. They Italians just sucked, and they wouldn't have stood a chance against the Allies, especially given that they had Patton and Monty on their ass.

[mistled]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
So whose worse- as a culture and fighting force - the french or the italians?

Who the hell knows?? The French have never actually finished a war, have they?? They might be badasses if they'd get their tails from between their legs.

mistled

-- ok, that's crap... they'll never be badasses... sorry....

[Sputty]

They weren't that bad 500 or so years ago....

[Navaron]

Yes they were.

[Doobz]

the italians had a pretty good airforce, and if i scrounged i could find the names of some of the planes that entered somewhere in the middle, and they were pretty good planes. the pilots were well trained as well

[Warborn]

Yes, once most of their bi-planes were shot down, they did begin producing more modern aircraft. However, from a histroy viewpoint, that's moot. Even if they were creating the best aircraft in the war, their ability to actually utilize said aircraft would be so poor that they might as well be flying bi-planes again. The Italians were all talk, and very little substance. However, I will say this: Their airforce was poor enough that there's virtually no mention of any important victories or battles it had fought. So, I'm not sure where you read that they had a good airforce, but from what I've read (which, I admit, wasn't focused on the Italians -- comparatively few books are), they were overall a very poor fighting force during the war.

[Doobz]

yes, but i wasnt trying to put my statements in line with overall significance :)

[Warborn]

I'd still like to know where you read that. Not to challenge it, but to see for myself. I really don't know a great deal about the Italian air force.