Spider Issues

[Hamma]

Lets stop the speculation on what is going on with Spider. If someone knows him personally, please find out what is going on. And lets stop the hate and flaming threads about suicide.

[Onizuka]

If this was created by me, stry would lock it :(

But i don't know of anyone that knows him irl, and if its happened, its happened. All we can do is miss him.

[Navaron]

He's still alive. That's all anyone can say as fact.

[Onizuka]

Some things have been resolved... some havent... I have cuts on my wrists... painkillers and stitches.

I have been given medication that at first I didnt want to take. (for my depressive moods and scyzhophrenia (sp?)).

As far as for chantal... she has called me, yesterday, said too many things were happening too fast in her life and that she doesnt know where it's gonna go from now...

Meaning I probably lost 4 years of friendship. As you guys said, life carries on and I should of listened to you.

Time to get new friends and the such... if I lost her well... things won't be the same but will I'll still be alive.

^^ spider

[GonePostal]

ugh im so confused

:confused:

[Onizuka]

CLICKAGE (http://www.anime-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=13968)

read this thread... and read frozen shade's post on the first page. Im not going against/disbeliefing spider. Just thought it would be interesting.

[GonePostal]

he should take a bunch of people with him atleast

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by GonePostal
he should take a bunch of people with him atleast

anus.

[Ghryphen]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/images/vbnewstyle01-blue/lockfolder.gif

[GonePostal]

:rofl: ok sorry

on a more serious note:tear:

[Hamma]

I'm not going to lock my own thread, just have a civil discussion on the matter is all I ask :p

[Squeeky]

Hate to say i told you so, but, i told you so. Personally i think it was an attempt to...for a lock of a better term....stir shit up. And it looks like he succeded

My opinion is my opinion only, as Hamma said we can have a civil discussion about suicide and spider's situation so let's keep this civil and not flame me mmk? :)

[Ghryphen]

I have to agree. I am not suprised one bit he is still around today.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Squeeky
Hate to say i told you so, but, i told you so. Personally i think it was an attempt to...for a lock of a better term....stir shit up. And it looks like he succeded

My opinion is my opinion only, as Hamma said we can have a civil discussion about suicide and spider's situation so let's keep this civil and not flame me mmk? :)

I am just wonder, why are you saying "I told you so?" What are you trying to say by that?

Are you saying that everyone should have acted like insensative jackasses towards Spider?

If he was just being an attention whore, remember that you probably gave him more attention than almost any other person.

[EarlyDawn]

Originally posted by Hamma
I'm not going to lock my own thread, just have a civil discussion on the matter is all I ask :p All your base :D :) :D

But yeah, I'm willing to keep it civil. I do think he was lying and I do think there's some underlying reason for it. That's my opinion.

[GonePostal]

does anybody know spider IRL

actually met him? or seen a pic of himself that he posted or somebody else posted


cause hes made alot of bogus stories and posts


not flaming him, just stating

[Squeeky]

I said "i told you so" because i kept telling everyone he was full of it. IMO his motivations we're to stir shit up. And he succeded. I have no intentions of showing any sympathy or sensitivity towards the situation because he has made so many stories and obvious posts for attention. Even if that awkward sequence of events was true, he posted them, what was he expecting to get out of them besides attention or sympathy?

[Spider]

If I had a webcam I'd take shots of my wrists... even thought I don't see the reason to show it to people I don't care about. I'm not proud of these soon to be scars and never will...

Anyways, I'm not gonna flame anyone or tell someone to fuck off. I never posted the topic here for a simple reason: I didnt want it here. I posted it on BOHICA cause most people I can stand are over there so don't give me any of that he posted it on PSU shit.

[GonePostal]

:mad: :mad: :furious:


so lame...

[JetRaiden]

spider we dont want to see pictures of your wrists. if we believe you or not, this has to be taken seriously because we dont want to risk another person to misguided depression. we just hope you make a full recovery.

[Squeeky]

Originally posted by Spider
If I had a webcam I'd take shots of my wrists... even thought I don't see the reason to show it to people I don't care about. I'm not proud of these soon to be scars and never will...


If you don't care about us, why are you here?

And yes, you did post about attempting to slit your wrists in one thread. Not to mention the following tall tales

1. Warehouse robbery shoot out
2. Deathly ill friend
3. Miraculous recovery
4. Slit your own throat

and now this. It's nothing personal Spider, honest. If you don't care about us, my advice to you would be to delete your account, remove PSU from your favorites and move on. Goodluck to you....

[GonePostal]

no i want to see pics


pics or it didnt happen

[Strygun]

Originally posted by Spider
If I had a webcam I'd take shots of my wrists... even thought I don't see the reason to show it to people I don't care about. I'm not proud of these soon to be scars and never will...

Anyways, I'm not gonna flame anyone or tell someone to fuck off. I never posted the topic here for a simple reason: I didnt want it here. I posted it on BOHICA cause most people I can stand are over there so don't give me any of that he posted it on PSU shit.

true or not spider, I'm glad that you didn't do it. I hope what I said to you in PM's helped you in your decision.

As of now, I don't care if it was true or not, I'm just glad you're still here.

As for the rest of you, have a little heart. Geez.

Originally posted by Onizuka
If this was created by me, stry would lock it :(

But i don't know of anyone that knows him irl, and if its happened, its happened. All we can do is miss him.

Not true. I only lock for good reason. This is a civil discussion. (so far...)

[Spider]

It's not on my fav list, hasnt been for a while.

The only people I find that are o.k here are Hamma and a couple others.

She was never deathly ill, she was in severe pain and got better as I said in another thread. They don't know was she has and still has pain, althought less severe. Now as of today I don't know her current state as she is not adressing me.

I bear the scar to my neck, it doesnt come out like a frash scar but beard wont grow on it. It was in my plans to never come back... but I'm used to come here. My posts are less frequent over here so you can stop complaining.

[Squeeky]

I'm not complaining. I'm just baffled as to why you would post on a forum in which people you don't care about visit. Something i wouldn't do :confused:

[Spider]

Not everyone is you squeeky...

[GonePostal]

i still wanna see pics:mad:

[Squeeky]

I think that's obvious. If everyone was me, everyone would be hated and that's not the case is it ;)

But can you explain to me why you post here if all you get is this kind of speculation? If i we're in your shoes i would have been long gone. Just curious ;)

[Spider]

Eh I get treated like shit by my own friends, this is like easy-sailing.

And you aren't hated, not by everyone at least, I don't really hate you. I have anger towards you but my pills make it go away eh. Anyways, I am hated too. I don't care much about it.

And postal: a bit of grammar never hurt anyone. Same goes for actually reading a post. I do NOT have a webcam!

[GonePostal]

spider: a lil bit of truth never hurt anybody


go out and buy one shit if your making 200 grand a year at a security job i hope you can afford one

[Squeeky]

Postal.

Stop flaming him, incase you haven't noticed this is a discussion thread. So take your flames elsewhere plz.

Edit: I just realized i stuck up for Spider, omg :scared: :p

[Spider]

Once again your ignorance proves you wrong. I have left that part behind me. A.K.A: I quit.

Working isnt for me. At least not typical work... I prefer working for my godfather, even if he is an ass.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Squeeky
I said "i told you so" because i kept telling everyone he was full of it. IMO his motivations we're to stir shit up. And he succeded. I have no intentions of showing any sympathy or sensitivity towards the situation because he has made so many stories and obvious posts for attention. Even if that awkward sequence of events was true, he posted them, what was he expecting to get out of them besides attention or sympathy?
So essentially you are saying, "I told you so" to gloat to everyone that showed spider compassion.

Wow, you should feel so proud of the fact that you didn't show compassion, and that you have feelings of superiority over those who did.

And you were a part of stiring shit up. If you thought he was trying to stir shit up, and you didn't want shit stirred up, why didn't you just keep your mouth shut?

If you knew spider wanted attention, and you didn't feel he deserved attention, then why did you pay the situation so much attention?

[JetRaiden]

If I was on teh verge of suicide I wouldnt go telling everyone at PSU.

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

Originally posted by Strygun
true or not spider, I'm glad that you didn't do it.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Indeed.

I try my hardest to be nice to everyone and keep my opinions about people to myself. I do, however, take action against people who post dumb shit *looks at GonePostal*.


Glad to see you alive, man.

[Squeeky]

To be quite honest Lex, i thought it was pathetic. That's why i payed it so much attention.

[AztecWarrior]

Spider, you really went out of line on this one. You shouldn't kill yourself. I hope this was just a prank.

[NoSurrender]

u can cut your throat and live. Violent-J has done it a few times and hes still here today...

[Indecisive]

-

Postal, stop flamming, how about we slit YOUR wrists and take a pic, mmk?



On another note, I believe what spider says. I myself has gone though depression, and thought about suicide, but basicly caught myself and am like OMGWTF GOHAN YOU N00B SUCIDE = TEH NO!!11@

And went on my way, but what i am trying to get at with this is, during my depression, i had 0 friends. 0. My grades sucked. Had no life. And my birth parents just whent through a divorce Just. Stupid. Oh and a was additionally depressed because i was made fun of because i was fat, and i was fat because i was made fun of (In fat bastard voice: ITS A VICIOUS CIRCLE!) I was to the point of comptiplating a columbine insident.

During this, due to my lack of friends, i found myself posting my feelings on various internet boards. I didnt tell my mom because she would send my to a shrink, couldnt tell my dad, because hes off who knows where aruguring about his bitch ass slut girlfriend, and couldnt tell my friends cause i didnt have any.

So, to make a long story short, i belive spiders reasons for posting suicide notes on internet boards because I have experiance the same type of thing myself.

To spider: hang tough, take your meds, and get rid of all your damn knifes and guns. Lol. Btw, have you learned that suicide = bad yet? If not, i suggest you seek some counsiling. Counciling helped my depression.


To flamers: You insensitve clods. Just, god some people piss me off so much. Have you no feelings? No sympathy? Or have you only selfish pride? When i was encoruging spider, along with many others, the possibility that he might be lying loomed in the back of our minds. But we DIDNT CARE!! We were more worryed about helping our fellow man, then some fucking bitching contest over the internet


http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/domesticEthug.jpg

http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/domesticEthug.jpg

I think that all you flaming homos need to swallow your pride once and a while. Its getting rediculous


And now, http://myimgs.com/data/gohanva/Flame%20On.jpg

^^ my shitty .25 sec photoshop skills. lol.

[Hamma]

Originally posted by Squeeky
I'm not complaining. I'm just baffled as to why you would post on a forum in which people you don't care about visit. Something i wouldn't do :confused: God damn man, you are starting to make me sick. Cut out the fucking TW mentality before I ban you myself.

[WildEagle]

oooo Squeeky got pwned by the big guy.

[Indecisive]

Hamma, that will be a joyus day indeed :)

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Spider
If I had a webcam I'd take shots of my wrists... even thought I don't see the reason to show it to people I don't care about. I'm not proud of these soon to be scars and never will...

i dont understand why its so important for you to tell people on the net "that dont care about you" that your suicidal. I went through that stage and never told anyone.

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

Originally posted by Gohan_VA
And went on my way, but what i am trying to get at with this is, during my depression, i had 0 friends. 0. My grades sucked. Had no life. And my birth parents just whent through a divorce Just. Stupid. Oh and a was additionally depressed because i was made fun of because i was fat, and i was fat because i was made fun of (In fat bastard voice: ITS A VICIOUS CIRCLE!) I was to the point of comptiplating a columbine insident. I bet i had worse when i was 11.

friend died in car accident (best friend i known since i was like 3) and he was like the only one i had (back then), F's in every class but math....cause for some dumbass reason i thought math was fun, i didn't know my birthfather till i was 8 and he didn't start paying for the child bills till i was like.......11, and i was fatter than you. I watch lota movies that had suicide+blood/gore+bunch of screwed up stuff that a little kid couldn't take. Did i think of leaving this world, maybe a few times when i got yelled at for pointless things....actually i thought of unning away.

But ya know what, i improved since my childhood. I got tons of friends (half not in my neigborhood cause....i got past history in there), A A C C- etc grades, me and my father talk more....even though i dont have a big history with him (and he jsut moved to Florida from LA agian), plus ever since i been tree cuttin and haulin shit up the hill i been loosing wieght by the week+gaining muscles.....and i'm really tall and got everythin a man's got-everything. :brow:

Now if i made it through all this, so can spider. Just get away from it all, go walk the walk. watch the real world, not the world you play in. Spider can do anythng a bugger can.:D




and dont show us thoughs scars, kthx.;)

[Squeeky]

:ugh:

Guess i'm done with this thread :confused:

[Blood_Knight]

:O_O:

[Spider]

Originally posted by Onizuka
i dont understand why its so important for you to tell people on the net "that dont care about you" that your suicidal. I went through that stage and never told anyone.

I posted on BOHICA where most people I care about are. There is a couple here but they are outnumbered by the people that hate me so.....

[Strygun]

:lol:

[Spider]

Originally posted by Strygun
:lol:

:confused:

[GonePostal]

lol gohan shut up

you dont even know what depression is

you dont get truly depressed cause your a loser, thats your own fault

depression is a sickness, you can develop it but most people are born with it because somebody in there family had it, and those people actually do kill themselves not because there some fucking loser IRL but because they have unbalanced hormones in there body and they cant function properly or feel happy about themselves


you, your just a fat fucking loser period

:mad: what the hell do you think your doing by retaliating???

flaming

ok im done

[Smaug]

GonePostal. Not everyone who is depressed has a hormone imbalance. It is possible to be sad you know. You are the most inconsiderate person I have ever seen post here, talking about seeing pictures of certain things. Spider never came here and tryed to get all your sympathy. He posted it on bohica forums and then some guy over there brought it here. He only came here to defend himself. All you flamers can fuck off.

[GonePostal]

then your sad, you stop being sad after awhile, cause it goes away

its not a permanent thing that needs treatment(except for maybe in severe cases)

depression is something you will most likely carry your whole life

sorry if i come off as inconsiderate but its just me, i cant stand crap like this

[Smaug]

No you can be depressed temporarily. Its just a fancy word for sad. And yes I know about clinical depression both my mom and sister are.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by GonePostal
lol gohan shut up

you dont even know what depression is

you dont get truly depressed cause your a loser, thats your own fault

depression is a sickness, you can develop it but most people are born with it because somebody in there family had it, and those people actually do kill themselves not because there some fucking loser IRL but because they have unbalanced hormones in there body and they cant function properly or feel happy about themselves


you, your just a fat fucking loser period

:mad: what the hell do you think your doing by retaliating???

flaming

ok im done

please, i dont believe depression is a sickness. its how you react to your environment. A spoiled brat who has to go and do manual labor for a year may be depressed and kill themself. on the other hand, a person in a 3rd world country who is already happier would kill to come to america to do manual labor.

you flame and spam a lot, no offense ( i dont think im tne only one to think this) but this is pathetic. you said "you, your just a fat fucking loser period"

people who talk like that are the fat fucking losers. please stop.

this thread has run its course.... oh wait, im not not hamma :rofl: :p

[321]

Originally posted by GonePostal
spider: a lil bit of truth never hurt anybody


go out and buy one shit if your making 200 grand a year at a security job i hope you can afford one

Maybe he also doesn't want to post pictures!

And Spider:

I know that this'll probably mean nothing to you as you probably don't even know I'm here at PSU or maybe you do. Beats me.
I don't think that your idea to commit sucide was good but I know that you don't think it was either. I'm also happy that you survived and that your still here. Please don't feel that we hate you becasue we don't. I also hope that you fully recover.

-321

[Hamma]

Anyway, lets try and bring this discussion to an end. No good can come of it. I wish Spider the best and hope he doesent do such things.. its not worth it. Too much fun to have in life :D

[MilitantB0B]

*backs slowly away from this thread, and perhaps a little farther from PSU in general*

I miss the happy go lucky PSU of old...

[Sputty]

Originally posted by Hamma
Too much fun to have in life :D
Like squeezing kittens
...
...
But not too hard!!!

[r3d]

Originally posted by Sputty
Like squeezing kittens
...
...
But not too hard!!!


But also not too soft !!
Its gota be just right, ya know?

[Nimbus]

I'm not going to post any opinions here.
I've known and know some really depressed people. All I can say is, good like Spider. I hope you make it through this.
Tattoo's cover white scars nicely, just in case you are interested.

[Indecisive]

All you flamers can fuck off.


^^word to your mother


Lol this is what i get for posting personal things on TW, er...PSU.

And for your info smart ass, im not as overweight now, have plenty of friends, and the only thing im not completly happy about is my grades. meh. math sux0rz.

And yes, i was depressed. A year or something later i went to a tharapist (mostly cause i was beating up my brothers :lol: ) and she said I was deppressed. I diddnt get any meds, seeing as it was very acute, and once i figured it out i got over it. So. Meh = teh no stabby self.

Oh, and gonepostal? ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WERE THE REASON I WAS DEPRESSED!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :)

[GonePostal]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

so glad to see i make a difference in the world

[Indecisive]

:lol:

[Pilgrim]

Hey Spider

Hope you get better. Deppresion sucks. I'm 30 now, and have ben living with Diagnosed MAnic Depressive disorder (bipolar for those not in the know) for about 13 years now.

The highs are great, and I could do anything! and I do mean anything... but GAWD the lows suck!

Just be careful if they put you on meds (any of the anti-d's) Bassically alot of people get misdiagnosed with deppresion, when what they are is bipolar. If you start to get even more deppressed on meds (in a week or two) don't pass go, get back to your Doctor and start talking options.

/Rant on

As for ignorant dumb fucks of the world...

3 flavors of Deppresion

1) Situational: this is the my dog died I'm deppressed (not sad, sad lasts a few hours, deppressed lasts a few days) this kind will normaly go in cycles, about 3 week to around 2 months. Most everyone get's this and I firmaly agree that people should get over themselves.

2) Clinical: No trigger required. Deppresion will just hit you and you will be down for much longer then the average deppresion cycles. It will also ocur with greater frequency. This is a chemical imballance in the brain. There is nothing to just get over. It's like telling a guy with cancer to just get over it. Doesn't work like that. Meds help alot, the current success rate with anti-d is around %95

3) Manic Deppressive (the fun one) :) These are the fun mood swings for people with Severe Bipolar it can be a dramatic swing, from top of the world to bottom of the barrel in seconds. Sometimes you'll be up for days/weeks, sometimes you can't even get out of bed. This is a completely different chemical imballance to clinical above and requires a very different set of meds. In fact Anti-D will normaly make the deppression much worse if you're Bipolar.

As to cries for help. Hell in the pits of Deppresion I've looked for sources to vent. It's hard as hell to do, because people look at it as weakness. What better place then where you have many people you know, but still a sense of anonimity.

As to people who want to doubt someones word, it's one thing to say you don't believe soemone when they talk about shooting people, it's another when they talk about killing themselves. Yes there is a chance that it's BS and the person doing it is an attention whore... but is that a chance you're willing to take?

Would all of you doubters have felt as good if The cute little French Canuck wasn't here to post... if your lack of compasion had actually pushed a person looking for help to be over the edge.

You can not care about anyone in the world if you want, but that ends in a lonely road to hoe. Alot of you are in High school now, look around you. By the time you graduate in a class of 400 people 4 will be dead by suicide. Think about it.

/rant off

PAX

[Smaug]

Thats what I was trying to say, good explaination :D. Sorry if I sounded like a dick in trying to explain.

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Originally posted by Hunter-R
Clinical: No trigger required. Deppresion will just hit you and you will be down for much longer then the average deppresion cycles. It will also ocur with greater frequency. This is a chemical imballance in the brain. There is nothing to just get over. It's like telling a guy with cancer to just get over it. Doesn't work like that. Meds help alot, the current success rate with anti-d is around %95

I'm currently diagnosed with Clinical Depression.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

~Kiwi

[NightWalker XI]

LoL people who commit suicide or try to harm themselves are pathetic, there are hundfreds or thoudands of people who die every day against their own will, people who want to live but do not have the option to, or that option is taken away from them because of war ro disease, then you get some dickheads comming along and saying "I have no friends or my life sucks so I'll jump of a building or see how fast I die by cutting my wrists"

Go out and get a fucking life you fool!

Is it so hard to make friends, do you even know what makes it hard to make friends, its the person who is trying to make them, you either start talking to epople or stay in your small shell forever and think its cool to be depressive and stay on the net 24/7


For fucks sake, people like that piss me off....

Mind the spelling, I'm pissed

[Zodiac]

[edit: meh! fuck it]

can we just move on? :D

[Hamma]

I think this thread has run its course, everyone has put in their 50 cents on the issue (a personal issue nobody should be flaming someone for BTW)

So, with that. Lets let this die, or I will just lock it and we will let it be.

[TekDragon]

I'm glad Spider is still around.

Spider,

Theres alot of BS in this world. No doubt. I'm not going to give you some inspirational crap. I will tell you this:

Suicide is for pussies. Everyone thinks about it. Only cowards actually do it. Theres nothing wrong w thinking about it and theres nothing wrong w looking outside yourself for answers (no matter what some of the ass holes on this forum say). When life pushes you down and starts kicking you in the ribs it takes a man to crawl back to his feet. I hope you pulled yourself up, bud.

I can relate to you losing a friend. Dude, i've lost about a half dozen REALLY good female friends simply by being a dumb ass. My best advice is to just try to learn from it. That's all you really can do in this life. Make stupid mistakes and learn from them.

Anyway, i've rambled on enough. If you ever feel like the whole world is against you just send me a PM. You can stop by my place in MD. I'll have a half O with your name on it.

Peace.

[Spider]

Eh thanks... I guess :)

Damn pills make me wake early as hell!!!

*grumbles*

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by NightWalker XI
hundfreds or thoudands

what were you doing while typing this? :p (had to through this in there)

I don't think it is okay to think about killing yourself... that shows an abscence in life. Im not gonnna get all religious, but i will say look at how a monk and a rockstar live. Now look at which one commits the most suicide. Who do you think is happier. Think about that deeply, it explains a lot.

[TekDragon]

Good point Onizuka. Screw religion, take up a wild lifestyle of sex and drugs.

Or were you trying to make the OPPOSITE point, not realizing that tens of thousands of monks have commited suicide throughout history? *snicker*

[MilitantB0B]

Forget monks, they aren't doing it right anyways. God never siad anything about going away from civilization and living alone, in fact the opposite. Go out into the world and share your message. The point is that if you life is only as big as yourself, its pretty darn small...

[TekDragon]

God never said anything, period.

I have no problem w religious people. If your too weak to stand on your own feet and need to use religion as your crutch, that's fine. But don't go spouting off what God did or did not say.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by TekDragon
Good point Onizuka. Screw religion, take up a wild lifestyle of sex and drugs.

Or were you trying to make the OPPOSITE point, not realizing that tens of thousands of monks have commited suicide throughout history? *snicker*

its called ratios. and gimme a link to where you found that. Monks do a... fast if you will of all material things.

Im just pointing out that people who you think are joyusly happy, can be the ones that are really not.

[MilitantB0B]

Originally posted by TekDragon
God never said anything, period.

I have no problem w religious people. If your too weak to stand on your own feet and need to use religion as your crutch, that's fine. But don't go spouting off what God did or did not say. I don't want to get into this argument in somebody elses thread, but I will tell people what God said, especially if they bring it up. Other then that, if you want to talk about this, create a new thread.