Bowling for Columbine

[Rightwing]

A documentary on America's love of guns and the school shootings on April 20th 1999 at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

You can see the site here (http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/).

I ordered this on PPV (Pay-per-View) tonight and was stunned at how close it hit to home, I wasn't aware how much American's we're in love with guns and violence.

You can either watch the preview on the website, get the DVD from the site, or get it on PPV via inDemand�.

I strongly suggest viewing this, its roughly three-hours long, but those three hours are definitely worth watching this documentary.

It also includes never-before seen security camera footage from the shootings, and it also includes all of the Columbine 911 calls.

I know you may say I'm a sicko for watching this, my friends do, but it is a shock to reality.

:scared:

[TekDragon]

:rolleyes:

The Truth about 'Bowling for Columbine' (http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html)

[Blood_Knight]

I was in elemantary school then. We were the closet school to Cloumbine. :(

[Derfud]

How ironic, your name is even "Right-wing" :lol:

[GonePostal]

o how i hate micheal moore that fat bastard!

so what

what country isnt in love with guns and violence?

once again o how i hate that fat fat bastard!@ :mad: :mad: :mad:

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Oh goodness, not this can of worms....

*hides*

[TekDragon]

Moore needs a serious ass kicking. That fuking fat man wouldn't know truth if it bit him on his 600 pound ass.

[GonePostal]

Moore needs a serious ass kicking. That fuking fat man wouldn't know truth if it bit him on his 600 pound ass.


HALLELUJA BROTHER!!!

he is suppose to be making another movie

o that fat fat fat man needs to die, o well a heart attack will claim him soon enough

[NoSurrender]

oh i love guns and god damnit if he wants to hate what america is then he can go to FUCKING CANADA THAT PIECE OF SHIT! :mad:

[Rightwing]

R:Dfl

[GonePostal]

what are laughing for you support him you traitor!

[Happy lil Elf]

I'd like to see Moore dead. But just to disabuse him of the notion that Americans are "in love with guns and violence" I'd personally like to see him die of something that would involve neither guns nor violence. Ebola comes to mind.

[Incompetent]

Agreed, Moore does not understand the concept of a fact. I like the Ebola idea, in fact, i can't think of a better way for that guy to die.

[Sentrosi]

Is ebola the same as that wasting disease that some people got last year? The one where your skin starts to blister off? It's not leopracy (sp), it's called something else.

Poetic justice would be for him to be lost in the middle of the wilderness with no type of weapon and him having to survive without it. I'm sure he wouldn't be fat afterwards.

[Incompetent]

Ebola Info (http://ebola.cjb.net/)
edit: one picture on the symptoms page that the weak of heart might want to skip, its a monkey that caught it.
Heres another site (http://www.who.int/inf-fs/en/fact103.html)

[Squeeky]

Half that movie was scripted. :lol:

[DramaticFanatic]

Sorry to say this, but I think alot of people are afraid of themselves.....

[Hamma]

Never saw the flick

[Squeeky]

It is very entertaining. I enjoyed it. Still pissed he scripted half the shit :-/

[Everay]

how do you know he scripted half of it? anyways, i like the guy, he symbolises america, the right to free speach...something i think some of us have forgoten, but then, there is also the right to hate someone for their belifes, which all of you symbolize

[Lise]

Even if some of his methods are questionable, I still agree with the basic idea behind Bowling for Columbine, and that isn't that Americans are in love with guns and violence (even though I do think we have a slightly larger thing for it than most other cultures.) It's that Americans are fucking terrified of one another.

I mean, the Canada sequence is enlightening. And I have lived overseas - that wasn't just a fluke, entire cultures are like that. After spending 4 years overseas and then coming back, I can see what Moore means. We Americans are scared shitless of one another. It's something we need to get over. :(

[Squeeky]

http://bowlingfortruth.com/

Spend a couple hours reading that website. It's all true....unlike the movie.

[Happy lil Elf]

something i think some of us have forgoten, but then, there is also the right to hate someone for their belifes, which all of you symbolize

Give me a break :rolleyes: I don't hate the guy. I simply wouldn't mind if he died, painfully. Subtle difference, but a difference all the same.

Nothing short of death would stop him from spewing shit like a lactose intolerant 6 year old who just drank a gallon of milk. It's not his beliefs that make me wish he would shut the hell up, it's the way he's willing to present bullshit as fact in order to try and prove that his point of view is the correct one.

P.S. You logged before I could cement the drunken alliance of doom, Lise :(

[Onizuka]

I think its sad people would spend their time disproving that movie. WHO CARES. People believe we didnt land on the moon the first time. Its sad when people try to find faults or prove someone wrong all the time. And nice sig elf......

[Incompetent]

There is nitpicking tiny details and trying to discredit the film, then there is informing other people that damn near everything in the movie is a flat out lie.

[Onizuka]

I think they went a little out of they way to bring down the film.

[Happy lil Elf]

And nice sig elf......

Thanks :love:

[Onizuka]

yeah.......

[MrVicchio]

Read it you sniviling BFC Fans, read it and tell me you think the man has any right to your respect. Tell us how "insite" and "thought provoking" it is to be hoodwinked by a lying shit bag. Read it, and tell me you have respect for Mr. Moore. Please, show us its not the truth that you seek. BFC is a big stinking pile of SHIT.


Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" won the Oscar for best documentary. Unfortunately, it is not a documentary, by the Academy's own definition.

The injustice here is not so much to the viewer, as to the independent producers of real documentaries. These struggle in a field which receives but a fraction of the recognition and financing of the "entertainment industry." They are protected by Academy rules limiting the documentary competition to nonfiction.

Bowling is fiction. It makes its points by deceiving and by misleading the viewer. Statements are made which are false. Moore leads the reader to draw inferences which he must have known were wrong. Indeed, even speeches shown on screen are heavily edited, so that sentences are assembled in the speaker's voice, but which were not sentences he uttered. Bowling uses deception as its primary tool of persuasion and effect.

A film which does this may be a commercial success. It may be entertaining. But it is not a documentary. One need only consult Rule 12 of the rules for the Academy Award: a documentary is a non-fictional movie.

The point is not that Bowling is biased. No, the point is that Bowling is deliberately, seriously, and consistently deceptive.

1. Willie Horton. The first edition of the webpage had a section on falsification of the election ad regarding Willie Horton (the convict, not the baseball star). This was one of the earliest criticisms of Bowling--Ben Fritz caught it back in November, 2002.

To illustrate politicians' (and especially Republican politicians') willingness to play the "race card," Bowling shows what purports to be a television ad run by George Bush, Sr., in his race against Governor Dukakis. For those who weren't around back then -- Massachusetts had a "prison furlough" program where prisoners could be given short releases from the clink. Unfortunately, some of them never came back. Dukakis vetoed legislation which would have forbidden furlough to persons with "life without parole" sentences for murder, and authorities thereafter furloughed a number of murderers. Horton, in prison for a brutal stabbing murder, got a furlough, never returned, and then attacked a couple, assaulting both and raping the woman. His opponents in the presidental race took advantage of the the veto.

The ad as shown by Moore begins with a "revolving door" of justice, progresses to a picture of Willie Horton (who is black), and ends with dramatic subtitle: "Willie Horton released. Then kills again."

Fact: Bowling splices together two different election ads, one run by the Bush campaign (featuring a revolving door, and not even mentioning Horton) and another run by an independent expenditure campaign (naming Horton, and showing footage from which it can be seen that he is black). At the end, the ad ala' Moore has the customary note that it was paid for by the Bush-Quayle campaign. Moore intones "whether you're a psychotic killer or running for president of the United States, the one thing you can always count on is white America's fear of the black man." There is nothing to reveal that most of the ad just seen (and all of it that was relevant to Moore's claim) was not the Bush-Quayle ad, which didn't even name Horton.

Fact: Apparently unsatisfied with splicing the ads, Bowling's editors added a subtitle "Willie Horton released. Then kills again."

Fact: Ben Fitz also noted that Bowling's editors didn't bother to research the events before doctoring the ads. Horton's second arrest was not for murder. (The second set of charges were aggravated assault and rape).


I originally deleted this from the main webpage, because in the VHS version of Bowling Moore had the decency to remove the misleading footage. But as Brendan Nyhan recently wrote in Spinsanity, he put it back in in the DVD version! He did make one minor change, switching his edited-in caption to "Willie Horton released. Then rapes a woman." Obviously Moore had been informed of the Spinsanity criticism. He responded by correcting his own typo, not by removing the edited in caption, nor by revealing that the ad being shown was not in fact a Bush-Quayle ad.

2. NRA and the Reaction To Tragedy. A major theme in Bowling is that NRA is callous toward slayings. In order to make this theme fit the facts, however, Bowling repeatedly distorts the evidence.

A. Columbine Shooting/Denver NRA Meeting. Bowling portrays this with the following sequence:

Weeping children outside Columbine;

Cut to Charlton Heston holding a musket and proclaiming "I have only five words for you: 'from my cold, dead, hands'";

Cut to billboard advertising the meeting, while Moore intones "Just ten days after the Columbine killings, despite the pleas of a community in mourning, Charlton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally for the National Rifle Association;"

Cut to Heston (supposedly) continuing speech... "I have a message from the Mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the Mayor of Denver. He sent me this; it says 'don't come here. We don't want you here.' I say to the Mayor this is our country, as Americans we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. Don't come here? We're already here!"

[MrVicchio]

The portrayal is one of an arrogant protest in response to the deaths -- or, as one reviewer put it, "it seemed that Charlton Heston and others rushed to Littleton to hold rallies and demonstrations directly after the tragedy." The portrayal is in fact false.


Fact: The Denver event was not a demonstration relating to Columbine, but an annual meeting (see links below), whose place and date had been fixed years in advance.


Fact: At Denver, the NRA canceled all events (normally several days of committee meetings, sporting events, dinners, and rallies) save the annual members' meeting; that could not be cancelled because corporate law required that it be held. [No way to change location, since you have to give advance notice of that to the members, and there were upwards of 4,000,000 members.]


Fact: Heston's "cold dead hands" speech, which leads off Moore's depiction of the Denver meeting, was not given at Denver after Columbine. It was given a year later in Charlotte, North Carolina, and was his gesture of gratitude upon his being given a handmade musket, at that annual meeting.

Fact: When Bowling continues on to the speech which Heston did give in Denver, it carefully edits it to change its theme.

Moore's fabrication here cannot be described by any polite term. It is a lie, a fraud, and a few other things. Carrying it out required a LOT of editing to mislead the viewer, as I will show below. I transcribed Heston's speech as Moore has it, and compared it to a news agency's transcript, color coding the passages. CLICK HERE for the comparison, with links to the original transcript.

Moore has actually taken audio of seven sentences, from five different parts of the speech, and a section given in a different speech entirely, and spliced them together. Each edit is cleverly covered by inserting a still or video footage for a few seconds.

First, right after the weeping victims, Moore puts on Heston's "I have only five words for you . . . cold dead hands" statement, making it seem directed at them. As noted above, it's actually a thank-you speech given a year later in North Carolina.

Moore then has an interlude -- a visual of a billboard and his narration. This is vital. He can't go directly to Heston's real Denver speech. If he did that, you might ask why Heston in mid-speech changed from a purple tie and lavender shirt to a white shirt and red tie, and the background draperies went from maroon to blue. Moore has to separate the two segments.



Moore's second edit (covered by splicing in a pan shot of the crowd) deletes Heston's announcement that NRA has in fact cancelled most of its meeting:

"As you know, we've cancelled the festivities, the fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. As your president, I apologize for that."

Moore then cuts to Heston noting that Denver's mayor asked NRA not to come, and shows Heston replying "I said to the Mayor: As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. Don't come here? We're already here!" as if in defiance.

Actually, Moore put an edit right in the middle of the first sentence, and another at its end! Heston really said (with reference his own WWII vet status) "I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I've run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing."

Moore cuts it after "I said to the Mayor" and attaches a sentence from the end of the next paragraph: "As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land." He hides the deletion by cutting to footage of protestors and a photo of the Mayor before going back and showing Heston.

Moore has Heston then triumphantly announce "Don't come here? We're already here!" Actually, that sentence is clipped from a segment five paragraphs farther on in the speech. Again, Moore uses an editing trick to cover the doctoring, switching to a pan shot of the audience as Heston's (edited) voice continues.

What Heston said there was:

"NRA members are in city hall, Fort Carson, NORAD, the Air Force Academy and the Olympic Training Center. And yes, NRA members are surely among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the students at Columbine.

Don't come here? We're already here. This community is our home. Every community in America is our home. We are a 128-year-old fixture of mainstream America. The Second Amendment ethic of lawful, responsible firearm ownership spans the broadest cross section of American life imaginable.

So, we have the same right as all other citizens to be here. To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy."

[GonePostal]

:rofl:

that first statement you have at the very top of the first post kicks ass!

:clap:

[MrVicchio]

This takes the WMD missiles and shows Moore to be playing a lie, and one you "fans" buy hook line and sinker like sheeple.


http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/l
ockheedmartin.htm

And here, the bank scene, staged, manipulated, and again a lie...

http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/bank.htm

I liek this one, you know the dog scene... and you people buy this feldercarb??

http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/dog.htm

And the Air Force Plaque, teh one about the B-52.... Wow you people must really be dumb to believe this one....

http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/planeplaque.htm


And the worst lie, the Rally sequence...

http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/hestonrally1.htm


I dare some of you "Moore" fanatics to watch the video again AFTER reading these links, or better rent the stupid thing, and watch em, but have a copy of the Anti-Moore sites in hand or on your comp, and compare the notes, make your decisions.

A friend of mine WAS a hard core Moore is awesome type. Felt BFC was a real look into America and guns,a nd I was FULL OF SNOT.

Then we watched it, he had the movie, I had the counters... guess what, he agrees with me now.

[MrVicchio]

:rofl:

that first statement you have at the very top of the first post kicks ass!

:clap:


This movie belongs in the bargin bin Fiction section of walmart, if that. And people that are taken in by it need to see the truth, those that refuse too, are wastes in my book.

[Onizuka]

http://bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/canada.htm

woah...

[Squeeky]

bowlingfortruth.com is such a leet site. I love showing it to the Moore cockpolishers and watching there jaw drop :lol:

[Onizuka]

never saw the documentary, and moores an ass.

[ThrillKILL]

Please Do not put down Canada It offends to me