Air tanks (a cross between Vanguard and Galaxy)

[PhaseShiftx]

Imagine sticking a few big cannons on the underbulley of a galaxy (firing arc would be a dome shape), of course you ahve to sacrifice the MAX and veh positions . but it could be a very fun air support unit

u can get with gal cert

[ZionsFire]

Thats why we have the Lib ;)

[PhaseShiftx]

BAH

the lib is an inacurate area effect bomber

What I'm talking about is fully targetable cannons that can strafe the ground with shells , and with a good gunner always hit the mark

sure bombing is an art and can be fun

But I think this would be a sweet seat to ride in and bag some MAXes and armour

[ZionsFire]

Ok lets think about this. A tank gun on the bottom of a galaxy? You could go up to 400m and kill everything you see! That wouldn't be fun.

[Incompetent]

So, basically you want a vehicle with extremely high firepower and armor, good speed, decent maneuverability, can fly over any terrain features or mines, and is virtually immune to all but 2-3 different weapons, not to mention it doubles as an APC, correct? That just screams balance to me.

Edit: almost forgot the range the damn thing could kill at would likely rank just over Insane.

[Febnon]

ok, put a lib over a crawded tower, its going to kill all peopl in doorways and outside

[PhaseShiftx]

You people really dont think to much before you write replies do you?

Have you never heard of balencing a unit ?????

lets just go through it shall we

First off the cannon on the underbelly, its not atatched to the most stable of surfaces, it mounted on a flying brick. Obvisouly its going to have a rather large CoF and when moving at speed that going to get larger. so sitting at 400m trying to peg ground unit wont work too well since you shots are not going to be exatcly on target

Were talking cannon fire here btw, somewhat ineffective against infantry if you could even hit thoes pin priks on your screen

decent maneuverability (obviously not a galaxy pilot) and to balnce this unit decreased responsiveness due to increased weight and wind resistance on the cannon should balence it out nicely

tweak these enough and you could make a unit which would be a good support unit for infantry droppping out of it (supresson fire), however anit gonna do to well solo vs other units

So next time your hear a suggestion for a unit think before you say
"OMFG that would be so overpowered!"

if you handicap even the most uberl33t of units it will still be balenced

[PhaseShiftx]

Oh and one more thing

supoose told you there putting in a new unit that can fire well beyond its range and damage an area with weapons that will insta kill some units.

You'd say OMFG !!!!! OVERPOWERED

cept they are putting in such a unit. tis called the Flail

but its huge upside is ofset by massive downsides like slow crap handling and manverbility, not to mention terrible inacuracy without support range finders, and not the much armour when it is found.

like i said no matter what a unit can do, if you handicap it enough it will become balenced.

shit you could even put in a unit that can kill all enemy players instantly on a contient . OVERPOWERED ?
not if it has these handicaps
this unit it huge (like size of a tower), has very little armour, need to contantly be refueled by ANTS during its 4 hour powerup, it appaears on every radar becuase of its size and power output, can be sabotaged by infil hackers, and must be deployed outside the protection of a warp bubble

all of a sudden this seemingily overpowered unit is quite a reasonable addition

[strikeleader]

he has a point guys good work shuting up the idiots who like to bitch.

[EarlyDawn]

First of all, an artillary peice that requires a spotter is TOTALLY different then an air-based gunship. Secondly, taking an attitude with the community you are trying to convince is not a good way to win support for your idea.

Thirdly, the only way this idea would be remotely acceptable would be to remove the passenger slots. You can't have a gunship/APC, it just dosen't work.

All that being said, I'll rather see a air-based AMS style vehicle before a gunship.

[EarlyDawn]

shit you could even put in a unit that can kill all enemy players instantly on a contient . OVERPOWERED ?
not if it has these handicaps
this unit it huge (like size of a tower), has very little armour, need to contantly be refueled by ANTS during its 4 hour powerup, it appaears on every radar becuase of its size and power output, can be sabotaged by infil hackers, and must be deployed outside the protection of a warp bubble

all of a sudden this seemingily overpowered unit is quite a reasonable additionIf you pack up and leave PSU now you might be able to bring some diginity with you. I think I'm gonna stop reading after that absurd idea.

[Incompetent]

he has a point guys good work shuting up the idiots who like to bitch.
Actually, i think it's more the mind numbing aura of stupidity that came from his last post.

Think about it, he wants to take a Vanguard, give it wings, double its armor (probably more then twice actually) and give it a troop bay. Seriously, sit back and think about it for a second. It's a much more stable firing platform then a tank, it can bypass any sort of terrain, it is always in the best firing position, it is practically immune to ground weapons and it can soak up tons of damage from the few that can kill, almost certainly allowing it to kill first. It can bypass any static defense line, can place an assault team in any position neccessary and can outshoot any unit in the game. Well boo fucking hoo you can only buy it from one base, all that does is make the difference between the haves and the have nots even larger. The only thing that could possibly kill it would be a Reaver or a skeeter, assuming the 20mms were striped off of course (any AA max would be plastered with fire the second it gives away its position, and there would almost certainly be more then one floating around to do so) but all that would require to counter it is that the pilot be smart enough to know where his battlelines are or bring an escort.

[EarlyDawn]

Indeed. I maintain my position that if you take out the troop carrying capacity, give it one 75mm cannon, one 100mm cannon, and chainguns along ONE SIDE of the craft, it could be balanced, as long as it has armor roughly equivelent to the liberator.

APC+Gunship = teh lose. Balance please.

[Happy lil Elf]

Meh, I'd rather have a Lib that has no bombadier and carries an additional 25mm cannon bubble turret under each wing :p

I :love: my 35mm cannon, it takes out everything :lol:

P.S. Raise your hand if you can see where the original poster poked holes in his own arguments.

[TheN00b]

raises hand

[VashTheStamped]

i can see it now... the Vangaxy....
Overpowered? yes.
Do i want one? yes.
;)

[TheN00b]

lol

[PhaseShiftx]

2 things chaps

1. I guess some of you are still not getting how this unit could be balenced to work.
let me make it simple for ya

flying (inf only) APC with underbelly cannon.
want to limit its effectiveness so its only used as a support unit ??

give it 5-10 rounds of cannon ammo !

wow look I just balnced the unit, now all you idea of a uber APC tank hybrid that can bag a 100 kills are right out the window

this is an APC that drops troops to a zone and can lay down some quick supression fire to before heading off.
I mean how much damage could u do with 5-10 cannon shells ???


2. Anyone here who thought, that I thought a Super continet killer machine should be implented in PS, really must be off his nut, or mabe you dont understand english too good?.

I wrote that as an absured example of how a tottally overpowered unrealistic unit that will never be implemnted, could be balenced (by huge nerfing ) so that it didnt disrupt the game balence.

do you really think anyone here wants to see a unit that can wipe a continent clean ????


I swear some people read half a sentence, freak out and reply with some crazy shit. next time take the time to read and understand what people are saying.
or if you couldn't be bothered, then dont bother replying.

[ZionsFire]

I am not even gonna bother with this one anymore.

[Doppler]

Hi Phase I represent the ACME Shovel Company of Walla Walla Washington. We'd like to get you into our "Shovel of the month Club" because you keep digging yourself deeper.

You want to take a vehicle, give it the armor and weapons of a tank and the longistics of an airplane and your ok with this. Then when people point out that this whould make existing problems deeper your retort is "Well what if we only give it 10 rounds" well how about you use a bomber and be happy.

[PhaseShiftx]

Ah doppler its called a discussion forum for a reason

why the hell would I bring up an opion in a forum if everyone going to just agree with me ?

other points of view are the only reason people post on forums.

if someone points out a flaw in your argument what the hell is wrong with accepting the falw and then trying to change it ???

why bother fight a point you agree is flawed ??

I suggest A
somone says hey A is flawed becasue of this
I say ok well how bout A + B and now A works better.




btw everyone just remember that using unoriginal childish remarks just to hang shit on someone becuase you lack the intellengce to make a reasonable reply only shows you to be a worthless forum troll.

[EVILPIG]

OR


Go with my idea...


Make the Loadstar work like this.. The Loadstar has a vehicle ramp on the back which allows it to load a vehicle on the top in a "piggy-back" method. The loaded vehicle is locked into place and is FULLY FUNCTIONAL!! Imagine the combinations. Vanguard/Loadstar, Skyguard/Loadstar, stc. Unlike the above gunship idea, mine has more balanced restrictions.

1. The combinations require all of the vehicle crew, driver/gunners AND the Loadstar pilot. That's ALOT of folks for the same firepower just from another angle.

2. The firing arc of the loaded vehicle isn't ridiculous like the above gunship idea which can rain death to targets directly below it. At bes, you could lean the Loadstar's nose down and fire from the sky from some distance away.

It could get really interesting seeing ariel battles take place with these up there.

[TheN00b]

that would be REALLY K00L. not incredibly sick, just really, really cool.

[Doppler]

Personaly I think the game is too vehicle centric already, I whould like to see the loadstar, but it's a longistics vehicle, no more combat vehicles for a little while whould please me greatly.

[EarlyDawn]

2 things chaps

1. I guess some of you are still not getting how this unit could be balenced to work.
let me make it simple for ya

flying (inf only) APC with underbelly cannon.
want to limit its effectiveness so its only used as a support unit ??

give it 5-10 rounds of cannon ammo !

wow look I just balnced the unit, now all you idea of a uber APC tank hybrid that can bag a 100 kills are right out the window

this is an APC that drops troops to a zone and can lay down some quick supression fire to before heading off.
I mean how much damage could u do with 5-10 cannon shells ???


2. Anyone here who thought, that I thought a Super continet killer machine should be implented in PS, really must be off his nut, or mabe you dont understand english too good?.

I wrote that as an absured example of how a tottally overpowered unrealistic unit that will never be implemnted, could be balenced (by huge nerfing ) so that it didnt disrupt the game balence.

do you really think anyone here wants to see a unit that can wipe a continent clean ????


I swear some people read half a sentence, freak out and reply with some crazy shit. next time take the time to read and understand what people are saying.
or if you couldn't be bothered, then dont bother replying.You're still not getting it. Most don't have a problem with a C-130 style-gunship, as long as it posesses almost no Anti-Air capacity, has only marginal armor, and a reasonable ammo loadout. What you're asking for is the original Galaxy (Pre-Open Beta, it had guns that rank alongside the tank cannons). The wing pylon guns were changed to machine guns for a reason.

This is unfeasable because it reduces the viability of the Galaxy (an already near-extinct vehicle) and also treads on the ground of the Reaver. If you OVERNERF it, as you're now trying to save face by doing, you have a useless vehicle that equates to wasted dev development hours that could have gone towards something practical like a "littlebird" open-air troop transport, with no integral weapons, but allowing for passengers to both shoot and be hit independently of the craft. Plus, that would be small enough to be practical in the Core Combat context.

[NoSurrender]

LNS u took the words outa my mouth. Nice Job :cheers:

[MilitantB0B]

Thats why we have the Lib ;)
Indeed.

As cool as that would be (and it would be mighty cool) I don't think it would serve a definite, defined purpose in this game.

[Prophaniti]

Do you know just how much you deserve to die for suggesting a flying vanguard? I made a thread about NC noobs(not that they all are) wanting a flying vanguard, and everyone flamed me for it. Well, here it is, folks. :ncsucks:

[DarkDragon00]

Thats why we have the Lib ;)

i agree, but with the balance patch that reduces the effectiveness of EVERY plane into something less then a FLY i think something with alot of firepower would be good.

[Rightwing]

In early beta the Galaxies had 100mm cannons, it looked rather stupid..

[ZionsFire]

Woah! it's DarkDragon!

[Doppler]

i agree, but with the balance patch that reduces the effectiveness of EVERY plane into something less then a FLY i think something with alot of firepower would be good.

Have you tried the post balane skeeter? It's great. But some people seem to see the end of being able to reaver targets with impunity as an end of days scenario, booo hoo hoo.

[ZeusCali]

Sorry man the only way to have a vehicle like this is to pick which part you want do you want
big gun/slow speed/big armor--Tank(Vanguard)
No Gun/Fast Speed/Low Armor--Skeeter(Mosquito)
Medium/Medium Speed/Medium Armor
Big Gun/kinda Fast/medium Armor--Reaver?

For everything you want you have to make a sacrifice
You want fast then zonk we take ur gun
You want Huge Gun zonk we take ur engines and your a tank
you want a Troop transport we take ur guns, your abiltiy to steer, and make you look drunk :-)(hence the galaxy)
You want a Flying ground Pounder with troop transport power? zonk We take your Brain cause your not using it

[Doppler]

Zues the skeeter most definitly has a gun.

[ZeusCali]

Well i haven't played since beta so i have heard it got nerfed alot is it getting buffed?

[Doppler]

Well i haven't played since beta so i have heard it got nerfed alot is it getting buffed?

It had a gun in beta too. The upcoming patch will bump it's gun as well as all guns of that calliber.

[EarlyDawn]

LNS u took the words outa my mouth. Nice Job :cheers:I do what I can. ;)