Jackhammer

[ghost018]

The Jackhammer can kill Reinforced Armor with a single shot of the secondary fire mode when at extremely close range (i.e. inside a facility). Before you guys think this is a nerf thread and jump on the flame wagon...see THIS (http://myplanetside.station.sony.com/character.jsp?charId=541392&worldId=12), my alternate character with which I've done my research. All you have to do is put it in third person mode to see around corners and wait for the enemy to get close enough to touch. By the time they know what hit them, they've either got too little stamina to even think about running away or are already dead. We all know the Jackhammer is the best Heavy Assault weapon, so stop denying it! :P~

You don't have to take my word for it though, see for yourself.

ghost

[Veteran]

Your use of facts will only get you flamed.

[ghost018]

Probably, but I know it's the truth. And the groups of Terran I've taken on alone with the Jackhammer know so as well.

ghost

[Zodiac]

and your lack of a point wont go over well either

[ghost018]

We all know the Jackhammer is the best Heavy Assault weapon, so stop denying it! :P~

Point restated for those of you who didn't get it the first time.

ghost

[SandTrout]

/sigh. You know, you could do the same thing with a MCG, but with better range than the JH, and beter overall DPS. When you're fireing into a group indoors, chances are that nearly all of the bullets are going to hit something.

BTW, not all places in a base are very close range. A couple meters away from an agile and the secondary wont kill him in one burst(I've seen this on both ends)

[Diviant]

The Jackhammer is an OVERALL "EASIER" weapon to utilize to it's full potential. BUT! Once you've gotten farmiliar with the MCG and Lasher and the tactics that come along with them, they are all equally deadly. Hence, "n00bhammer" because it's easier to get the hang of.

*Edit* BTW, please feel free to shoot me for bumping this nerf-flame thread.

[Neon Apocalypse]

Hmmm, if u miss ur 3 burst then ur a dead fellow, theres some time between them. I find that primary fire is weaker than it used to be. Now its 4-5 shots to kill a reinf. Before it was 3, then of course it was way overpowered. I love the new lasher, hope they dont nerf it.

[ghost018]

/sigh. You know, you could do the same thing with a MCG

I never knew pressing fire on the mouse once would kill pretty much anything at 1-4m away with the MCG. Learn something new everyday I guess.

The Jackhammer is an OVERALL "EASIER" weapon to utilize to it's full potential.

That's where I agree with you. If you check out the Markov NC leaderboard you'll probably recognize a few familiar names that constantly use Surge + Agile + Jackhammer to make using the weapon all the more easier.

ghost

[Rbstr]

ok the fact is that if you are ever outdoors with a JH you will be owned so teribly, but with a MCG or a lasher a little range is now big deal but at 20 m it take basicly a whole clip to kill a agil armor, and you have to realize not all of the shot always hits it only when you get realy close can you kill stufff that fast, give a a MCG for allaround ownage any day

[bryan25]

The JackHammer is only good at close range so if someone is way over there youre dead if u dont have another weapon. In my opinion i think lasher has total ownage cuzz it can kill u even if your behinde something.


PS: Like your new Sig ZODIAC. :love:

[WritheNC]

Its all situational. My main problem with the JH is that every NC with HA has to get close to their target to be on equal footing. This amounts to about 15-20 NC in a large battle all trying to rush down a hallway, bumping into each other.

You have a lot of dead NC if there's someone at the end of that hallway in a MAX, or a couple people with Lashers or MCG's.

HOWEVER: In short corridor situations, like tower stairwells, etc. The JH is superior. It really depends on which part of the base you're at.

I would have to say my favorite HA weapon is still the Lasher(although I haven't tried the new MCG yet). You can keep a little range, and you don't have to worry about the lash effect hitting teammates.

[Hamma]

I've seen one guy with a jackhammer fend off an almost full squad.

[Rbstr]

i've done that but they have to be idiots and have realy bad aim, or jsut no know your comming. the only reason i carry it instead of the Sweeper is becuase it takes down maxes quite well.

I took out 5 in one go once with with my pheonix/jh rig

[Veteran]

Surge is what makes these weapons cheap. Any implant that good must be bad.

[Acaila]

I've always used surge how I thought it was meant to be used. Attack with a JH, flick on surge and make a get away for healing/repairs, go back and attack. I use it for rapid retreating and find my kill/death ratio is alot better than just surging into combat on what usually amounts to a suicide run. Then again, my aim isn't that great and moving quickly affects me negatively :p.

[NoSurrender]

yea i know ive seen fellow outfit mates kill whole squads but it was a kamakazi firing run... The MCG and Lasher are very good they just take ALOT more skill... i dont use HA but i might get it because i cant compete with the people who have it...

[ghost018]

ok the fact is that if you are ever outdoors with a JH you will be owned so teribly

Obviously a shotgun isn't going to do too great at range.

ghost

[Happy lil Elf]

We all know the Jackhammer is the best Heavy Assault weapon, so stop denying it!

At extremely close range? Yeah, it's a shotgun. Of course maybe it should suck at close range and then as you pointed out it could do poor at ranged combat too. Then it could suck all around and you'd be happy, right?

[Spee]

Then it could suck all around and you'd be happy, right?



Or better yet, turn our HA into a giant vacuum.


Then it would suck all day long, and you cant bitch. Nyah.

</Bitter>

[Kikinchikin]

touche spee...

na i played NC on werner today. Turns out i got owned by a TR with an MCG once. Basically I thought it was damn easy to use before. We'll call that a 10. Now i think its an 8. U have to sorta aim, but still much easier than the MCG.

[Incompetent]

The problem with the Jack isn't that it can own up close, i can put up with that, the problem is that it can move so damn fast that it's impossible to keep them away. They need to either neft surge in combination with Heavy Assault (you run 20% slower with a HA weapon equipped and surge only gets you back to your regular speed), or just nerf surge in general. (don't move as fast, takes more stamina, much worse accuracy, ect.) Nerfing HA in combination with lighter armors could be another option (make some excuse as to much recoil.)

As it stands you can barely hit the fuckers when they're zipping around in there agile armor and by the time you've managed to do any respectable amount of damage they're in OHK range of you, especially since they can spray you with fire while closing and take barely any noticable COF or speed penalty. It's not really a problem that is confined to the Jack, but the Jack just magnifies it to the point where it gets really stupid, and yes, this is a shameless idea theft.

[FliggenMan]

I personally think that the range n the JH is too much, because the sweeper is the same type of gun with much less range. You should really have to be right next to some1 with the jack hammer to get it to be effective.

[Veteran]

Yah, Surge is borked in concept and in implementation. Nothing should so blatantly disadvantage a person who may be lagging.

I have high speed DSL and a good computer. When I Surge around people who look like they're lagging, I can just tell I'm jumping around like crazy on their screen, and I feel like I've somehow failed to show good sportsmanship. If they removed Surge I wouldn't complain one iota.

[ghost018]

At extremely close range? Yeah, it's a shotgun. Of course maybe it should suck at close range and then as you pointed out it could do poor at ranged combat too. Then it could suck all around and you'd be happy, right?

Did I ever once complain that the Jackhammer can kill Reinforced with a single shot or say that it should be nerfed? Nope, I use the damn gun! You and I both know Heavy Assault is suppossed to dominate at close range....so the whole arguement about larger rage is irrelevant, because any Medium Assault marksman should be able to take out a player foolish enough to try and snipe with an MCG or a Lasher.

Again, I'll restate my opinion. The Jackhammer is thee best Heavy Assault weapon in Planetside. I remember when people used to post their thoughts here and it would actually inspire some discussion about tactics. I guess most people are too worried about what gun is getting the next nerf and enter defense mode, filtering out all other logical ideas that come to mind in the process.

ghost

[1024]

God people, don't sweat teh small stuff.

Can't beat a guy in jackhammer outdoors?
Get a reaver!

Indoors?
Get a MAX!

if you flame me you're gay(immature i know, but im bored and want to read intriguing[sp?] replies)