VS, why bother?

[SkunkPunk]

my rant is about CC... why bother with vanu anymore? our hovering abilities have gone common pool, our MAXes jumping have gone common pool(to some extent). Our lasers and shit? you guessed it common pool! why would some one even want to play VS anymore? for TR u get all the bang for the VS + Chainguns... i know i will still play as vanu but im worried about the pop dropping after CC release... its fucking bullshit that our shit has gone common pool

TR = ROF (now with VS manouverability(sp?))
NC = DPS (now with VS manouverabilty(sp?))
VS = Manouverabilty - rate of fire, or damage per shot...

devs i know u post here, so explain i know uve said that its not the same technology as us, but that doesent matter thats like giving the VS an MCG and calling it a mini chaingun 2 and claiming its not the same as TR... :rant:

[Phaden]

Well i have news, the devs post here but not as frequent as in the OF. Also they probably will not be "called out" by someone who is not going to take the time to spell and capitalize correctly ( and yes, i dont do i right either).

The ziplines i assume is what you are mentioning? They brought this up in the QA with devs on Hamma time a while back. Wouldnt it be fun if 2 of the empires could only stay on the ground, except for the percent that has a air vehic? Ohh yeeehhhhh Cause then this would leave the top buildings totaly unaccseissble to NC or TR. Yeh, see thats what the VS need, someplace they can go and fight, without the worry of of any enemy being there.(/end sarcasm)

Im sure you play VS and or are just trying to complain, but this is why there is a beta, to work out things. And you want to know what? If the is a problem, then they will probably fix it.

[Aen]

:rant:

This is true. I thought we were the Sovereigns of Vanu crap anyways. What more do we know/have than any other empire? :confused:

[Phaden]

Well you still have the jump jets, as last i checked, no one else had those. And as the manueverability, im sure you might be talking about this new ATV? Its sposed to handle pretty decent? oh no!!! Cause as i recall, and enforcer and harrasser dont exactly handle like crap either.

Oh i was just thinking. Instead of having empire specific weapons, lets make EVERYTHING common pool. This would totally alleviate ballancing as everyone would have the same stuff!!! YAY

[arctik]

Yes but if everything was common pool PS would get boring and it wouldn't have the same feel. One side against another because the only difference would be color. Yay. It would be hard to have grudges or get attached to an empire for me atleast.

[Aen]

Phaden, your just not on the same page as us.

What SkunkPunk was trying to say, imo, is that the TR have "rate of fire"(fast weapons), the NC have "Power"(heavy damage weapons), and the VS have.....

Do you see the point now. Before CC we have the hover crafts (Magriders, and Threshers) and our maxes have mad hops. Ok, thats reasonable. But with CC, the Switchblade can hover (VS characteristic) which is common pool, and the new weapons seem to have a VS feel cause they don't spray bullets or flak, but a type of energy. And regular MAX's can jump now. This all making the VS a little weaker and the TR and NC a little boost.

By sharing these characteristics, we lose a little of our edge. Yes, we still own in those categories, but its just the matter of the fact.

Not trying to bitch, but I agree with what he says to an extent.

I thought we were the Sovereigns of Vanu crap anyways. What more do we know/have than any other empire?

(Yes, I quoted myself :p )

[Veteran]

What do the VS have?

HMMM the Mag-Rider (sniper-tank), Lasher (excellent Heavy Assault) and jumping MAXs (more tactical applications). They are doing fine and the devs have buffed their assets more than any other faction.

Did you think VS would have the only energy weapons? That's kind of assuming a lot, eh? VS is doing just fine, I don't think they need you to champion them.

[Cider_Ownz]

Beta patcher is busy downloading now, and I shall see if you thou art correctest.


:groovy:


I do have to say that it does sound a little bit of an over-rant.

So all empires get one vehicle that can hover.

And a "feel" of vanu weapons? let me quote the average troll:

[/U]"WTF???!!!!!111 OMFG U STFU U FUKIN NOOB STFU!!!!!!!!!!111"[U]

Not exactly how I feel, but it pretty much sums it up.

[Infernus]

I am forbidden by an NDA to say anything that could possibly refute your claims... but I do have a question. HAVE EITHER OF YOU LITTLE WHINERS ACTUALLY PLAYED BETA? PILOTED THE NEW VEHICLES? USED THE NEW GUNS? TRAVELED THE ZIP LINES?

Thank you come again...

[Indecisive]

Purple = ownage.

That is all.

[Biohazzard56]

Yea wait until you play CC to judge

[00AgentDuck]

What I see, is that mostly all of the TR and NC are saying how strong VS are in specific things that now we aren't as strong in. Try playing Vs please, I play all three and I see all people's sides of it. For one, the magrider is not a sniper tank, try and gun one yourself, and the lasher could be a bit better. As for the max jump jets... whoopie I have a max that can jump high, and since there is no cover in the air, thus he gets shot down more and an easier target. Also jump-jets are more predictable and when you jump over a wall or onto a tree... it isn't exactly the best tactical point. Everyone says vanu has manuverability, the vanu are better in it, but not as good as I would hope.

Also, VS edge has been taken off somewhat with the new weapons I agree. If the new weapons are supposed to be better, then why in the world would VS try and make a new gun (the lasher) useing vanu and probably human tech?

[ghost018]

I'm betting none of you who're complaining have played CC:Beta. Wait two more days, and we'll give you the chance to retract your statements then.

ghost

[SkunkPunk]

my statements are based around BETA, fuck the NDA i dont give a shit so many ppl already violated and no punishment... im not saying its cheap im saying VS is common pool, hell did u know a regular max can jump higher than a guy in rexo? well they can... also in beta, we all know how much the TR and NC complained about our 'magmowers' since the other factions got hovering vehicles 80% of the time a hover vehicle kills me its cuz i got mowed... our weapons are fine in balance, but the purpose of the empire is common pool...

[Adun]

If people are going to use VS hover stuff, the VS's should bring their stuff up a knotch. Rockets or something to hop cliffs and stuff underground.

They wont actually lift the tanks and other hovering stuff up, they'll just stop them from falling. So a Magrider can get across a gap in a cavern by driving at it and when it goes off the edge some kind of rockets will hold it up for like 4 seconds, enough to get into places other factions cant.

this can be taken to a whole new level..

This can be used to make faction exclusive bases that others cant touch.

-Terran enclosed veicles aka heavy veicles and MAX(tanks, lightning, NOT marauder) can cross shallow lava into special areas.
-Conglamorate heavy veicles and MAX/medium armor can go through radioactive areas that would kill the drivers of other factions. If a non NC guy dies from it, his/her veicle is left there for someone to hack.
-Vanu can do the hover thing i described, and high level VS can use personal jetpacks, not as good as the max ones, though. It will need special assault AND a command rank, like 3 or something.

I know many things..

[GraveCross]

To the person who claimed that the Vanu were awsome because they have gotten the most buffs since release:

Don't you think there is a reason for that?

[Neon Apocalypse]

I think lasher is great.

[GraveCross]

The general public feels the Lasher is teh sux.

I ran a poll on Balance in the OF, and well, out of like 50+ responses, 6 people thought the Lasher was the best HA weapon. Maybe it was 9, something low like that.

The Lasher is pretty much a Jackhammer with horrible ammo efficency.

[Happy lil Elf]

my statements are based around BETA, fuck the NDA i dont give a shit so many ppl already violated and no punishment...

To quote the infamous nazi Hamma-
Ban.

[Acaila]

Fuck I thought I was browsing the OF for a second. If you play the beta, you should realise why the new hover vehicles don't take shit away from VS.

[ghost018]

If you play the beta, you should realise why the new hover vehicles don't take shit away from VS.

:cheers:

[Phaden]

I obviously cannot reply why i beleiev what i do until the NDA is lifted. However i do see your point about the vanu kind of lacking something. The thing is, its not easy to put something in its place, but whining about stuff isnt gonna get it changed. And for the manueuring thing, doent that just mean using a tank (ie magrider) as a big mower? Granted the balance pass fixed this some, but as someone originally said. The magrider is the only tank people fear without a gunner.

[Ait'al]

When everyone is arguing about vanu being common pool, are you saying the lasher, lancer, beamer, etc shouldnt be common pool or are you saying the new cc weapons shouldnt be common pool. And if the Vanu weapons (pre cc) are being common pool you could focus on the new weapons exclusively, especially if there more powerful, and slaughter the other empires.

And if everyone is just talking about cc weapons what would people think about if they did make the pre cc vanu weapons common pool to make you focus more on assault, trying to give the vanu a new kind of edge even though there not hte only ones using them, wanting you to kind of pick up the new weapons and kinda push for a final assault kind of thing against the other empires, If you get what i mean.

I keep reading these like there making everything vanu (pre cc) common pool except vehicles, like they are trying to get all hte vanu to give up the security of having them to themselves and making them have to be more aggressive (or take up the new weapons, naturally, more than the others), like a storyline change to the vanu (vanu of hte three empires) where they start to be dominant now because of finding more tech (like there zealous now because of the new discoveries like there seeing a great change,or something that will change the balances of power in general, because of everything thats being discovered) and pushing to win everthing, before the devs do somehting like teh ancient vanu coming or some other big storyline thing like the old "planet being a giant weapons or something similar and turning on".

I imagine this would be possible because the other empires, or there players, wouldnt as unanimously give up there old weapons or have as gradual of an integration and since they fit in less to there current weapons, and probably give more of a bonus to the vanu, wich could be fun, like i said, if it made the vanu the new dominate power through the strategic use and the new found will found from the integration of the new weapons or something, like the TR had from there past as the dominate power on earth.

[Aen]

LOL, I wasn't complaining to begin with. I just said I see what he is saying. All of you flamers need to cool your jets before you say stupid shit, because you dont know me, or if Ive played Beta or not.

I'm betting none of you who're complaining have played CC:Beta. Wait two more days, and we'll give you the chance to retract your statements then.

ghost

As for your bet, Ill take it, considering I sent you a tell and me and my friend owned you. :)

[keaoi]

me being aen's friend

as for who ever said that the new hover vech dont take anything away from the VS :confused: . I dont understand. MOVEABLE COMMONPOOL TURRETS THAT HOVER. How does that not take away from the VS "feel?" the moveable turrets thing is unfair enough.

The pain module is ludicrious, this almost completely ends stealth ops. why? was taking out an enemy tech plant to stop the 4000 vanguards from attacking unfair?

regardless of that, CC seems as though it really is beta, and that it should not be released within a month, much less TOFREAKINMORROW!!

Though personally i dont feel that the MAX jump thing is an issue, everything else he mentioned i agree with, and dont feel CC is worth $30 (atm). it has a good feel, caverns look good, but the AT stuff needs some serious tweaking.

[AtomicBanana]

The Vanu can use these new guns - as well as thier own. The Vanu haven't become any less Vanu. Quit ure bitchin' ;)

k thx wp bye

[Veteran]

The VS goal of keeping the technology to themselves is as likely to happen as TR reabsorbing the others or NC gaining their freedom. This game is all about winning the battles, not about winning the war.

[ZjinPS]

Hover envy. :scared:

I thought one of the ideas behind CC was new technology being discovered and utilized. So theres (correct me) a common pool vehicle that hovers? I'd use it.. even if I did think that the Vanu were a bunch of alien loving freaks.

I've watched magriders ignore bridges and come right across the water and negating virtually all attempts at securing a bridge many times. I think after watching what some of the past expansions did for EQ that someone is keeping close attention to CC.

[Valcron]

Test

[Mango]

You guys are forgeting that the NC and TR need to first capture the Ancient Modules if they want to have the new weapons and vechiles. If anything being a Vanu Max with jump jets in those huge caverns is gonna kick arse!

[keaoi]

ok. if you want to follow the storyline (not gameplay balance) then I guess it makes sense.

TR have ROF
NC have Damage per shot
VS have Agility (dont even with start with instant AP ammo, I am not going to shoot a tank or max with my beamer/pulsar and the Lasher's is non exsistant)

Now with CC the primary strength of the VS is compromised (for story of course). MAXs arent an issue, as the jump is pathetic.

I dont feel the weapons are overpowered themselves (extremely limited ammo) the vech are. (though the maelstrom seems a bit too much with the gernade thing)

I understand that now your happy cause you finally get to go over water, but trust me, no cover vs any amont of armor gets you dead. Just stop and think about a sec, how many MAGs have YOU seen rush from over the water to say, skip the bridge. Reaver/Prowler/Vanguard bait. MAGs have to move in cover to stay alive, i know. Its the only way to beat a Vanguard 1on1.

But you know what? I dont care anymore. VS havent won the server (Emerald) in days. I dont care. Each empire has one thing that everyone else wishes they had all the time. Jackhammer. Pounder. Magrider. Looks like NC and TR get their wish.

But it doesnt bother me. I forsee many nerfs in the future. And with the devs crappin on VS now, only means we get a boost later ;)

Here's to Balance Pass v2.0 :cheers:

PS. I think the TR were crapped on too with the the "deploy" function, but I suppose thats just me.

[Veteran]

1: Jumping MAXs are not even close to pathetic.
2: The Pounder sucks ass now.
3: Who would play any empire but VS if all the agile units were VS? The theme only goes so far.

Trust me, VS isn't weak. If you want, TR will gladly take your sniper-tank, Lasher and jumping MAXs and you can have our stuff. If only.

[Phaden]

Honestly,

i know my outfit would rather fight TR than VS. Those maxes suddenly kifting off are a pain in the ass t kill with unguided weapons.

And BTW In CC, remeber the new tech that createss a sheild wall in fron of base so no vehics can go through? Yeh, well you maxes STILL jump the wall.

Enough said

[WritheNC]

I had a long post, but I decided not to post it.

Everyone thinks their own empire is crapped on by the devs. All I should say is that you need to shut the hell up because whining only makes you look like an ass.

In case you missed the key statement:

"Everyone thinks their own empire is crapped on by the devs."

[Phaden]

Well aside from that being true, IMHO i dont think that about NC. I respect all the empires weapons and abilities.

[keaoi]

1: Jumping MAXs are not even close to pathetic.
2: The Pounder sucks ass now.
3: Who would play any empire but VS if all the agile units were VS? The theme only goes so far.

Trust me, VS isn't weak. If you want, TR will gladly take your sniper-tank, Lasher and jumping MAXs and you can have our stuff. If only.


First of all i guess i worded that wrong, i meant the normal/nonjet jump for ALL maxes was pathetic, not the VS "special".

Second, where did i say VS was weak? Or the Laser sucked? Or the Mag sucked? You need to reread my post.

Also, the MAG is not a "sniper-tank" get a VS character, you obviously havent tried it. I'll take your god damn prowler any day, that thing rocks (in the right hands. And if you want to trade Lashers for MCG wtf? MCGs own. And dont even start with that pounder sucks ass now shit, its still the best MAX.

:huh: i really dont get you man

[keaoi]

Honestly,

i know my outfit would rather fight TR than VS. Those maxes suddenly kifting off are a pain in the ass t kill with unguided weapons.

And BTW In CC, remeber the new tech that createss a sheild wall in fron of base so no vehics can go through? Yeh, well you maxes STILL jump the wall.

Enough said


We made it to the wall? Nah the 1000 phoenixs killed me. Wait no i made it in, sure glad there arent any vanguards in.........

nuff said

/edit/ oh ya, try using the back door?

[Phaden]

Welli disagree with the pounder being best max. It all depends on what situation it is used in. The sparrow max for example has had alot of complaints in the past. So has the VS maxes(but to me all there run together).

[keaoi]

the pounder is awesome inside or out. crazy range. or if you prefer maybe switch to indirect fire and own everything in a tower until i have to reload.

you mean theres another pounder anchored next to me? ok then you have to wait until im out of ammo. (exaggeration i know)

though you are right about the sparrow, it owns the air.

[WritheNC]

We made it to the wall? Nah the 1000 phoenixs killed me. Wait no i made it in, sure glad there arent any vanguards in.

LOL 1000 Phoenixes. There aren't enough Phoenix users on emerald to fire off 1000 rockets in a day.

And VS have maxes out the ass now. In fact, some people have gone far enough to call a VS zerg the "Million Max March" :rofl:

[Phaden]

Well i dont have the phoenix so i cant say anything about that, but i do have the navguard cert so i cna speak here. If i am driving a van, i keep it moving. ALWAYS. and typically if i am defending a base, i am doing it from outside the walls with ANY vehic i am in. Otherwise i am just waiting to be hit by reavers or decimators or boomers or orbitals. Maybe i miss the times when the NC just sit in bases with them, but i find it more usefull to be out there hitting you before you can engage your jets.

[SkunkPunk]

omg i used to think that psu a place where i could post with intellegent people, im not saying that our weapons suck or anything like that. im saying that its not fair that the other empires are getting our special abilities, jumping maxes is a big boost seeing as last time i checked it took no stamina, and they CAN get over walls if you have any brains, its called a skeeto elevator... the vanu have lost their edge in battle, not saying that our weapons suck, and i didnt post this in OF because i thought that i would get intellegent posts here. READ what im saying dont just assume im a typical VS complaining about some weapon

[keaoi]

LOL 1000 Phoenixes. There aren't enough Phoenix users on emerald to fire off 1000 rockets in a day.

And VS have maxes out the ass now. In fact, some people have gone far enough to call a VS zerg the "Million Max March" :rofl:


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[Ait'al]

if ther jumping on ther mosquitos, wont it be easier to kill mosquitos.:brow:

[Aen]

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LOL 1000 Phoenixes. There aren't enough Phoenix users on emerald to fire off 1000 rockets in a day.

And VS have maxes out the ass now. In fact, some people have gone far enough to call a VS zerg the "Million Max March"
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[InfiniteStorm]

LOL 1000 Phoenixes. There aren't enough Phoenix users on emerald to fire off 1000 rockets in a day.

And VS have maxes out the ass now. In fact, some people have gone far enough to call a VS zerg the "Million Max March" :rofl:

I play VS on Emerald and I can tell you why we have so many MAXs. The reason being is that beside the common pool deci, we really have no AV or AA weapons except for the MAXs. The striker and Phoenix might not be super powerful, but at least they get a lock. The VS MAX's can get a lock so they make our AA and AV easier against the hoard of vanguards and reavers. The lancer takes too many shots to take out any vehicle and it has no lock and a significant COF bloom when moving. This is not a complaint, just a statement as to why there are so many VS MAX's.

Also, to all those that think the Mag is a sniper tank. It is true that the cannon has a straight projectile which is awesome. But having to nail a rexo 3 times in the chest to bring him down when all you hear is "BEEP" and see is "Warning: Missle Lock" makes it difficult to use. The prowler and vanguard don't even have to get a direct hit to kill an infantry (but this is the way a tank should be). When my mag driver and I see a vanguard, she usually turns and bolts to the nearest strategical cover (meaning using the geography to our advantage) while I pelt the thing with the cannon (btw, we are very good as a mag team). No way a mag can stand 1 on 1 with a vanguard or prowler without its hover ability and maneuverabilty (again, the way it is supposed to be and should be). Which I think is where a lot of the VS players are coming from when they post. We have learned to use the manueverability of our empire to our advantage in most cases, but to give hover vehicles and our manueverability as a common pool makes us feel like our special ability is not so special anymore. It is a huge advantage not to have to use the bridges, and huge advantage to be able to hover. If everyone can do it, where is our advantage?

Again, this is a clarification post and I am not saying anything needs to be buffed or nerfed. I like the empires the way the were after the balance patch. I saw a lot more good base defenses and attacks by all empires. This is my opinion. Feel free to flame on now.

[Aen]

What InfiniteStorm said was basically what I was trying to get across. I wasn't complaining or bitching, just stating that it seems a little of our specialty is lost with the switchblade. I understand you NC and TR when you say, "Thats what CC is for, discovering the Vanu technologies and applying them in battle." All I was trying to say is that we are the psycho vanu freaks, and we have nothing more to show that anymore, seeing as all empires can hover. Not a complaint, just how i see it.

[Scotty24]

Every single empire has it's own strengths and weaknesses, I don't see a need to balence everything! There is a counter strategy for every single ability right now, it's just a matter of finding it.

That being said I understand the original posters point. Hovering is a huge thing that the VS have. I'm not concerned about energy weapons as it doesn't matter if it's energy or a bullet, what matters is the damage delt and how fast.

The VS max (bug/nerf whatever the hell it is) outright sucks. The fact that other empires can now stand on a ledge above, and you run out of their site is no longer there. Now their max's can jump down and finish you off. Granted they can't propel themselves back up there, but make no mistake that's a huge advantage that the VS only had. That and the fact that now the VS can longer jump onto towers. We can make it to the second level but no longer the top level of a base. That was a huge huge advantage and something unique (I'm really hoping that one is just a bug)

[Mango]

As a vanu i believe it to be our responsibility to stop the NC and TR from recovering the ancient module that grant them the ability to hover!

[EarlyDawn]

Totally different technology, sorry. You draw your weapon energy from a clip. The Ancient technology draws it from crystals. Likewise with vehicles.

The terran lockdown ability went to the switchblade, you don't see them bitching. And if you're trying to compare MAXes jumping, to Vanu jumpjets, you're far too stupid to be playing Planetside. Ham it up.

[SkunkPunk]

lns, uve nothing important to post... unless you read the stuff ive said, crystals or energy, its the frekkin same thing... like I ALREADY said, the devs could give us MCG almost exactly the same but maybe a little red button and say that it shoots iron bullets instead of watever... its the exact same thing... the TR lockdown on the switchblade is miniscule, and if the TR dont like there empire traits getting ripped off well then tahts their fault

[WritheNC]

I'd like to see the switchblade kill a thresher or magrider 1 on 1.

Come on, losing hovering to an atv type vehicle is small beans.

[Happy lil Elf]

......ugh

This thread makes baby jesus cry.

[MuNsTeR]

its ancient technology and bsides TR and NC are similar so VS and CC are similar

[Flammey]

I've played CC. Things are fine the way they are.