Flail Nerf Rumors?

[bryan25]

I have heard rumors going around chats,forums, Ps.etc that the devs are going to nerf my beloved flail :tear: . I heard they gonna nerf it this week.

Are these rumors ive heard true or are they just rumors.

[Hamma]

Unless teh devs say it, dont believe it.

[JetRaiden]

if they are...o well you didnt have enough time to get attached to it anyway. :groovy:

[Cyborg001]

Sorry if i sound like a newb, but whats a flail?

[Diddy Mao]

Why would some1 N3rf a Weapon that is Acessible by "all" three Empire's?

[SandTrout]

Because dispite being accessable to all empires, a weapon can be overpowered so that absolutely everyone uses it to the point that useing anything else isn't effective/fun.

They are also doing a balance pass on infiltrators and implants soon, if you haven't heard.

[SecondRaven]

LoL nef the flail....thats a record...2 days and its already being nefred...what a trip this is going to be

[bryan25]

Because dispite being accessable to all empires, a weapon can be overpowered so that absolutely everyone uses it to the point that useing anything else isn't effective/fun.

They are also doing a balance pass on infiltrators and implants soon, if you haven't heard.


Where is that can i have link?

[bryan25]

Sorry if i sound like a newb, but whats a flail?


:stupid:

[Flammey]

They don't need to nerf the flail. It isn't that effective below ground. It isn't that effective without spotters, which I might add, have to be in your squad/platoon. The only place a Flail owns, is on ground where you can see everything. Otherwise you just have to fire at things that are medium range, or you fire blindly. I had the Flail for two hour, and I didn't kill THAT many people. For one, the Flail can't move if you want to fire. For another, you can't hit anything that comes too close. Much like the Sunderer. The Vanguard kills in one shot, I don't hear people yelling NERF NERF. The Flail kills things in one shot, yes, but it's hitting that thing that isn't too easy. If it's moving, you have to judge the angle, and the lead. I spent 20 shots trying to take out a Mosquito that was trying to kill me. IF he had been smarter, he would have gotten above my fire angle, instead of strafing in my fire angle. That would have been death for me. Yes the Flail is strong. It's artillery for fuk sakes. The Liberator, in the right hands, does the same destruction, and is very hard to kill. The Magrider, Prowler, and Vanguard are the same. In the right hands they are capable of turning the tide of a war.
Me and my buddy drove around in his Mag for a good 2 hours around a TR base, shooting anything that moved, and as such, we were able to take the base. The TR couldn't escape the base. We had the tower, we had AMS's close. We even were fortunate to have a Teleport pad right into the core. Our mag efforts kept the nme from getting too far away, and allowed our infiltrators to sneak in and one of the managed to find a hiding spot for a telepad. Things would have been no different if me and my buddy were manning Flails. Well, maybe a little. Unless we each covered a side, the nme would have an escape route. Of course, that would have left each of us weakened to a charge of Prowlers, or Sunderers, or Lightnings. Sure, it sucks getting hit with a Flail shot, and being killed instantly. Don't you think it's not as equally annoying for me to be hit with a Vanguard shell, and dying just as instantly?

[Veteran]

One flail can lock down an entire tower. It one-hit kills infantry even at the outside of its splash radius.

Nerf it or not, it'll be beefy.

[Happy lil Elf]

One flail can lock down an entire tower. It one-hit kills infantry even at the outside of its splash radius.

Nerf it or not, it'll be beefy.

Only if the people inside are dolts. I actually had one try this to a tower I was at tonight. After firing a bunch of deci's at it from a few different spots and itgetting hit by a few phoenixs it tried to run. It was just starting to pull away when one of the phoenix users got the kill and blowed it the hell up.

*grumbles about all the work and none off the credit* :p

[Veteran]

The reason I mention it is because I was in the tower, and the doors would not close. There were no backpacks blocking them, but as a Flail rained destruction on us, the doors just stayed open letting the fire inside. It was weird. No cloakers holding them either. Anyone seen this?

[MacavitySWE]

I agree fully with Flammey on this, artillery is supposed to be powerful. It's not gonna take down aircraft easliy, but if you get hit by artillery while you're on the ground at medium range from it, you die.

Airvehicles and rocklet rifles take down Flails easily. I managed to stay alive maybe 2-3 minutes when deployed and under fire by such weapons. I got maybe 5-10 kills in that time.

[Mudflap]

Flail may be artillery, but artillery is notoriously weak against air attacks. Besides, bringing in a one-hit-kill weapon against MAXs makes them worthless outdoors, and that's where they were supposed to be worth something. I was running along yesterday with 591 armor and full health. Suddenly, me, another max next to me, and about four other guys fall down dead. We were spread over a good 20 meters. Is this artillery or nuclear proliferation here? I don't mind something packing a punch, but if it does, it needs to require some degree of skill, and a large blast radius doesn't.

[Hamma]

If they nerf the flail, what point is there to using it?

They should make it defensless against air vehicles, and they should also make it so it CANNOT aim low, therefore it cannot spam inside doors at towers.

[Happy lil Elf]

Flail may be artillery, but artillery is notoriously weak against air attacks. Besides, bringing in a one-hit-kill weapon against MAXs makes them worthless outdoors, and that's where they were supposed to be worth something. I was running along yesterday with 591 armor and full health. Suddenly, me, another max next to me, and about four other guys fall down dead. We were spread over a good 20 meters. Is this artillery or nuclear proliferation here? I don't mind something packing a punch, but if it does, it needs to require some degree of skill, and a large blast radius doesn't.
Max suits are supposed to shine outdoors? It was always my impression that they were supposed to shine indoors and vehicles stomped MAXs into dust outdoors.

[MacavitySWE]

But you only get one shot every 7-8 seconds so you really have to make those count. And if the maxes were standing in the open together, they may have been lazed from 1 km away by an infil who was targeting for someone :)

Also, the flail has No defense up close, the range minumum is like 50+100 metres on flat ground depending on the surroundings.

I got killed once because a CE ran up to me from behind and placed tons of detpacks

In real life artillery has a much bigger blast radius than 20 metres

[WritheNC]

Flails are just targeting practice for aircraft.

Think of what 1 liberator can do to a group of flails...

It only takes 5 anti-vehicle bombs to destroy an AMS; 1 lib with an idiot bomber could take out flails all day since they can't aim straight up, as I recall.

[keaoi]

Because dispite being accessable to all empires, a weapon can be overpowered so that absolutely everyone uses it to the point that useing anything else isn't effective/fun.

They are also doing a balance pass on infiltrators and implants soon, if you haven't heard.


IE. pre-balance Reaver

[bryan25]

They don't need to nerf the flail. It isn't that effective below ground. It isn't that effective without spotters, which I might add, have to be in your squad/platoon. The only place a Flail owns, is on ground where you can see everything. Otherwise you just have to fire at things that are medium range, or you fire blindly. I had the Flail for two hour, and I didn't kill THAT many people. For one, the Flail can't move if you want to fire. For another, you can't hit anything that comes too close. Much like the Sunderer. The Vanguard kills in one shot, I don't hear people yelling NERF NERF. The Flail kills things in one shot, yes, but it's hitting that thing that isn't too easy. If it's moving, you have to judge the angle, and the lead. I spent 20 shots trying to take out a Mosquito that was trying to kill me. IF he had been smarter, he would have gotten above my fire angle, instead of strafing in my fire angle. That would have been death for me. Yes the Flail is strong. It's artillery for fuk sakes. The Liberator, in the right hands, does the same destruction, and is very hard to kill. The Magrider, Prowler, and Vanguard are the same. In the right hands they are capable of turning the tide of a war.
Me and my buddy drove around in his Mag for a good 2 hours around a TR base, shooting anything that moved, and as such, we were able to take the base. The TR couldn't escape the base. We had the tower, we had AMS's close. We even were fortunate to have a Teleport pad right into the core. Our mag efforts kept the nme from getting too far away, and allowed our infiltrators to sneak in and one of the managed to find a hiding spot for a telepad. Things would have been no different if me and my buddy were manning Flails. Well, maybe a little. Unless we each covered a side, the nme would have an escape route. Of course, that would have left each of us weakened to a charge of Prowlers, or Sunderers, or Lightnings. Sure, it sucks getting hit with a Flail shot, and being killed instantly. Don't you think it's not as equally annoying for me to be hit with a Vanguard shell, and dying just as instantly?




If your a squad leader u can sent WAYPOINTS for yourself or your squad mates to shoot at. Bet u didnt know that i use it all the time very effective. :p

[bryan25]

Flails are just targeting practice for aircraft.

Think of what 1 liberator can do to a group of flails...

It only takes 5 anti-vehicle bombs to destroy an AMS; 1 lib with an idiot bomber could take out flails all day since they can't aim straight up, as I recall.



OMG YOU GUYS ARE DRASTECLY UNDER ESTIMATING THE POWER OF THE FLAIL!! I shoot more aircraft down with my flail then i kill ground vehicle!! The FLAIL is one of the most powerful AA platforms. LOL this night i got 25+ air kills and last night i got 18+!!! HAHAHAHA the FLAIL IS Ub3r!(in the right hands)

I do admit the LIBERATOR is one of the flails worst enemys. But all u have to do is undeploy and move out of way. I have not once even been targeted by a Liberator(very weird).

[321]

Nerf it? It just got out to the public!

[Hamma]

Indeed, if its new nerf it

[Bismarck]

:stupid:


Leave him alone, just because he doesnt know what a flail is or if hes a n00b doesnt mean you can make fun of him. You aint lookin so hot yourself, 18/2, less than 2k kills.

And if you were being sarcastic please atleats help him out when you make a joke.

To answer his question, a flail is a atrilley piece thats being complained about because its too easy to use.