AHH!!They nerfed MY FLAIL

[bryan25]

SEE the rumors where true they NERFED MY BELOVED :love: FLAIL :love:.. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :tear:

http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/planetside/Forum8/HTML/025940.html

[sutserikeru]

SEE the rumors where true they NERFED MY BELOVED :love: FLAIL :love:.. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :tear:
dont even start that... nerfed nothin, they made it realistic

[JakeLogan]

I'm confused what happend?

[JakeLogan]

Nevermind just read it

[bryan25]

Realistic to what this is Ancient Vanu technology? They could have mabye put the gun damage down but no they had to kill the armor. Now some infantry can easily kill it and flail has no defense!! :mad:

[sutserikeru]

Realistic to what this is Ancient Vanu technology? They could have mabye put the gun damage down but no they had to kill the armor. Now some infantry can easily kill it and flail has no defense!! :mad:
read the uber-flail thread... its ALL there

[frozen_monkey]

good....those things were going to become spam......besides they werent very efective from what ive seen

[arctik]

I agree with leveling it out a bit but a 50 shot capacitator is a little small dont you think?

[Duffman]

Realistic to what this is Ancient Vanu technology? They could have mabye put the gun damage down but no they had to kill the armor. Now some infantry can easily kill it and flail has no defense!! :mad:

its not suppose to be able to defend itself... its long range artilary not a tank. Thats what skyGUARDS are for and tanks.

[bryan25]

OMG every time a FLAIL shoots off a mortar its like a singnal to every freaken aircraft,tank, infantry guy around. The only thing that kept the flail alive was its armor and gun but when a FLAIL shoots off a mortat after the nerf its a HUGE beacon saying "COME GET ME EASY KILL"!!!

[Scarecrowe]

Its meant to be artillery SUPPORT not an entirely self sufficent engine of destruction that can kill almost anything. People have been using it as a tank not in its intended role so of course it was gonna get a nerf

[FraudulentBob]

Went head to head with a Van Guard in my Flail, he hit me four times, I had time to deploy and fire off two shots.. killing it, with 1/4 armor to spare.

It should've, would've and has been nerfed.

[keaoi]

OMG every time a FLAIL shoots off a mortar its like a singnal to every freaken aircraft,tank, infantry guy around. The only thing that kept the flail alive was its armor and gun but when a FLAIL shoots off a mortat after the nerf its a HUGE beacon saying "COME GET ME EASY KILL"!!!


this is a crosspost. and yes, i realized i quoted myself. i dont care. this is why it was nerfed.

overnerfed? im guessing your one of these three guys right?

http://planetsideimages.com/uploads/flail2.JPG

[bryan25]

I see all your points but its still hard to find people to protect the flail.

[DoomWarrior]

fly it onto the walls, u need te reaver cert tho, and engineering, u probably will total it on ur first try, and i have never made it without hurting it atleast a little

[TheRagingGerbil]

This was a much needed nerf. The Flail was being used as another personal tank.

[Happy lil Elf]

Flail
With regard to Flail balance issues, we have made a few adjustments to the vehicle that should help bring it into balance.

1) Its armor has been reduced substantially to below tank-level.
2) Its shot capacitor has been reduced from 150 to 50.
3) The down angle on its turret has been decreased so there is now a large "under the guns" radius around it and infantry should have a much easier time getting close enough to assault it.


A nerf was definately needed. However it appears that SoE has once again, as is their custom, gone way the fuck overboard with the nerf. The armor reduciton is a good idea, although I think I'll test the severity of it tonight. The down angle reduction amkes sense although coupled with, and depending on the severity of, the armor reduction it may take things a bit far. No real problem with either of those, at least not until I have a chance to test them out.

The ammunition reduction, on the other hand, is completely uncalled for. Why make a vehicle that's already difficult to get ammo for even more of a pain in the ass? There was simply no need for this.

[Veteran]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you deploy the thing so that when deployed the nose is angled down a bit? Wouldn't this let you shoot the ground closer to you and kill things that move close in?

The Flail was designed to be an endgame piece for a very well organized unit, not a main battle tank.

Instead of griping, just learn to exploit its advantages and mitigate its weaknesses.

[Madcow]

Wasn't the flail the last thing many people were holding on to as a valid reason to purchase CC?

[Dekein]

It definitely needed something to keep it from being a one man assault tank.

Lower armor for sure, 2500 would be good. The gun depression is not that bad if you deploy it carefully and have support (Which it is designed to require).

The ammo change is too harsh though for a vehicle without a easy means of resupply. 100 would have been fine or even leaving it as it was. Perhaps they will make rearming AT similar to the ant by deploying in a warpgate and having it slowly charge.

It is certainly not 'useless' as all the whiners will now claim it to be. It is far closer to the type of vehicle it was designed as.

[Happy lil Elf]

Not whining here, hell I haven't even tried it since the change. Reducing the ammo on a vehicle that is already difficult to reload from 150 to 50 is assanine. I don't even drive a flail and I think it's assanine.

[bryan25]

A nerf was definately needed. However it appears that SoE has once again, as is their custom, gone way the fuck overboard with the nerf. The armor reduciton is a good idea, although I think I'll test the severity of it tonight. The down angle reduction amkes sense although coupled with, and depending on the severity of, the armor reduction it may take things a bit far. No real problem with either of those, at least not until I have a chance to test them out.

The ammunition reduction, on the other hand, is completely uncalled for. Why make a vehicle that's already difficult to get ammo for even more of a pain in the ass? There was simply no need for this.


YA i totally agree with you..

[EarlyDawn]

This was a much needed nerf. The Flail was being used as another personal tank.Indeed.

[Hamma]

The ammo reduction is indeed a bit much.

[Flammey]

Realistic? WTF? This is a game. There's nothing realistic about it. The patch does not bother me. I have no problem fighting Flails before the patch, and now I'm going to have an easier time fighting them after. You boobies who wanted the Flail nerfed, well, your going to find out just how Worthless the Flail is going to become to your side now. Hope your happy that all your bitching and whining got you the change you wanted.

And don't use the "I pay $13 a month, I should be able to voice my opinions and have them heard." I pay $20 a month, and I don't make a fuss about my equipment as it is. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG. Only think I complain about is the game play, bugs, and random cheaters I find.

[Aen]

Bout time......

Realistic to what this is Ancient Vanu technology? They could have mabye put the gun damage down but no they had to kill the armor. Now some infantry can easily kill it and flail has no defense!!

The flail is supposed to be used at long, long distances. Distance is its main defense.

[Flammey]

I agree with you on the "It's meant to be a long distance weapon" arguement. After using it for 2 days I had to get rid of it. I found both no challenge to it, and no use for it. I got 300 grief in less than 2 minutes with it. The reason for that is that is that there was some sort of stupid bug going on that day where no one could see the sheild on the base, so all bullets that hit the opening stopped, there by blowing up, if it was explosive ammo. Plus there were 4 MAgriders trying to get in, and couldn't. They couldn't see the shield either. I shot twice before I realised it wasn't going through. BOOOOOM. all four Mag's blew up, with drivers and passengers. Instant 300 grief

[Doppler]

Flammey I highly recommend medication. Secondly if it is worthless to my empire I will get over it, at least it's not so powerfull now it majorly stomps on the dynamic of the battlefield.

[Veteran]

The Flail was being used as a heavy assault vehicle. What part of 'not being used as intended' is so difficult here? It was like a main battle tank on crack. A nerf was inevitable, and everyone who said it was out of line was dead on.

[Flammey]

Medication? You a doctor? Can you perscribe extremely powerful drugs? How about a perscription for Mary Jane?
Cheeba cheeba.

And no, I won't use it. I'll sell it for cash.

[DoomWarrior]

try*



try and get the flail onto the top of a tower, i did it once but 2 min later blown up by reavers

[Hamma]

Realistic? WTF? This is a game.
That one always cracks me up. Listen, its artillery. There are some basic rules to artillery game or not. It was being used as a lightning or prowler on steroids.

[sutserikeru]

It was being used as a lightning or prowler on steroids.
:rofl:

[Flammey]

But it IS a tank on steroids. It has big muscles, shrunken penis. And steriods can kill the user too.

[Veteran]

100 shot clip would have been fine considering the other reductions.

[dscytherulez]

Yeah, the 50 shot reduction seems like overkill to me...

[MiniOrca]

woot, finally

But when they say armor is now below tank level, do they mean lighting tank or vanguard tank?

[MuNsTeR]

i hate the flail its not worth 3 pts