Logic behind heavy reinforced armor?

[BadAsh]

Does anyone know why they decided to not allow you to pilot/drive covered cockpit vehicles while wearing the reinforced armor? Why do I need to be in agile armor or lighter to drive a truck (AMS, ANT, etc.) when I can get on a tiny ATV with my bulky heavy armor?

Were the Devs trying to promote SOLO gaming? :)

BadAsh

[TheRagingGerbil]

I can see their reasoning behind not letting Rexo pilot aircraft & tanks, you need all the room you can in those, but as far as the other vehicle go...beats me.

All of beta the forum wishlist was filled will people wanting to drive Ants, Dels, Sunds, etc while wearing Rexo. The devs never even acknowledged them.

[SilverLord]

Just get rid of reinforced all together. Agile is much better and you can always pilot your vehicals and you run so much faster.

[BDMJ]

The idea is likely that it enforces different roles for low level players, and even for high level players to a certain extent. Rexos carry a substantially greater amount of firepower than agiles. By forcing agiles to pilot vehicles, it forces lower level players to specialize, and it prevents high level players from being completely versatile.

[Doppler]

Right but then you cant tote a decimator/sniperrifle/AV weapon in your secondary which is the major reason people take reinforced. As far as why you cant take it in aircraft and ants etc it's a balance issue, ditto on the AMS and similar, there must be a price to pay also aircraft cockpits are fairly small. I whould like to see the transport vehicles allow the driver to be in reinforced (gal sund del) as a matter of throwing a bone to those who hook up their fellow players.

[Liquidtide]

Reinforced Armor should really give you an advantage. Ok so you can't pilot a lot of vehicles, but give me 200 armor then. Honestly, Re-ex armor should be able to stand up to more punishment, but the 50 more armor barely is noticeable and the lack of mobility is a killer.

[Jagd]

Reinforced does really give you an advantage-- it lets you have your AV weapon instantly accessible for when that MAX comes around the corner. 50 more armor is plenty.

[Veteran]

Pros: You can carry 14 ACEs, 5 Decimators, 2 Bolt Drivers plus lots of ammo and your damage absorption factor changes. Also, the BANK becomes useful to use on yourself

Cons: You move slowly, consume a lot of stamina while Surging, costs 3 certs, can't drive/gun in many vehicle situations

Basically, some people like it and some don't. I lean towards 'don't' because Surge owns so hard and anything that limits it is shady and also 3 certs could be spent on something that has few drawbacks, such as the Mosquito. If it were 2 certs or if you could change armor at the vehicle pad, I would probably give it full endorsement.

[Happy lil Elf]

Kind of. But honestly I can swap out my weapon for the deci in my inventory in only about .25 seconds more time than it takes to swap to your second rifle slot. It takes some practice but it's very doable.

I do agree that the 50 extra armor does very little in a game where the weapons do this much damage per shot. Couple the fact that 50 extra armor is very little in terms of actual extra protection with the speed reduction and the only reason I can see for people to even bother with it is the added inventory space.

[Biohazzard56]

I like the extra weapons , the lack of speed can be overcome with skill :)

[Veteran]

Yes and no regarding overcoming the lack of speed. In Standard armor I can run from base to base because Surge lasts almost 2 minutes. In reinforced, it's a painful trek and takes a lot of time. In that case, it's just math.

[Doppler]

Rather then extra points of armor I whould like to see extra deflection value. I forget what the rate of deflection is as opposed from agile to standard but I think it could stand a little bit of a boost, the way I figure it boosting reinforced armor deflection value whould start providing a bullwick against all those surging agile heavy assault guys.

[Jagd]

Yeah but anything other than an Infiltration Suit sucks surge stamina like nobody's business anyways. The Inf Suit is still the only thing that lets you run from base to base without being tired by the time you need to fight.

[sutserikeru]

i just stay away from rein because im covert ops, like to go behind enemy lines and fuck with them (blow gen, hack CC, ect..)

[infinite loop]

Rather then extra points of armor I whould like to see extra deflection value. I forget what the rate of deflection is as opposed from agile to standard but I think it could stand a little bit of a boost, the way I figure it boosting reinforced armor deflection value whould start providing a bullwick against all those surging agile heavy assault guys.


Alot of people forget, or don't know, that this is one of rexo's biggest strengths. I forget the actual values, but the threshold of rexo is 2 or 3 points more than agile, maybe more. This is huge in the field, when you take damage, but not enough to kill you. It's really more than just 50 more armor, it's also the extra threshold, essentially giving you more health as well. But for the 3 cert points, I certainly would not be opposed to an armor boost at all.

[Kenney]

For 3 certs you can get almost any vehicle. If its gonna cost as much as a vehicle it has to add a bigger advantage, like more armor

[Strak]

Couple of things.

ATVs ain't exactly small.

Judging by the amount of extra space I get in reinforced over agile maybe I don't fit in closed cockpits with it very well.

I say get a skyguard, wear your reinforced and blow up airplanes.

If I had 3 more certs I would run special assault and reinforced....

Maybe I should just keep my decimators in the skyguard's trunk.....

You should be able to spawn a vehicle with a special loadout, that would be cool...

L8r

[Drinky]

You should be able to spawn a vehicle with a special loadout, that would be cool...

L8r

You can set up loadouts in your vhehicle favorites at the repair silos, last i checked it worked with non-vehicle items too.

[Veteran]

ATVs are open cockpit, why can't reinf ride them? Stormtroopers could ride speeder bikes pretty well.

[Strak]

Ahh I will have to try that tonight that has seriously cool potential :)

YAY!

[infinite loop]

ATVs are open cockpit, why can't reinf ride them? Stormtroopers could ride speeder bikes pretty well.

Rexo can ride ATV's, I do it all the time. Even switchblades.

[Indecisive]

can't drive/gun in many vehicle situations

accually, reinf exo can gun any vehicle. Even Libs now.

[EarlyDawn]

Worth mentioning that all AT vehicles are pilotable by Rexo.

[Hamma]

For 3 certs you can get almost any vehicle. If its gonna cost as much as a vehicle it has to add a bigger advantage, like more armor
Tanks cant go inside last time I checked.

As for the rexo, I dont think it should be able to drive everything. But it should definatly be able to drive tanks/deliverer. Not aircraft.

[Mango]

Doesn't rexo have 100 more armor than agile?

[Unknown]

There is no set value of damage absorbtion for the armor, damage differs depending on what weapon is used. But reinforced definately has more damage absorbtion than agile. A rough estimate would be around 35%, whereas agile would be more like 25%. It may not seem like much, but that extra 10% absorbion really helps. Not to mention the extra inventory space (enough room for 3 extra 3x3 ammo boxes) and the extra rifle slot.

[321]

ATV has no cover. So it allows more space.

[Flammey]

Well, I don't understand why you have to wear Agile for an ANT. It has no armor, and no weapons. You should be able to get into it with any armor, except MAX, of course. As for other vehicles, why can a Reinforced fit into a passenger or gunner on a Sunderer, which is a big vehicle, yet reinforced can't fit into the cockpit of it? The Sunderer serves two purposes, Troop transport, and Mobile Artillery, despite what people might think, the Sunderer IS mobile artillery. It's just not called that. I feel that if they won't allow Reinforced into the Deliver or Sunderer, AND they haven't upped the max BR yet, why don't they combine Deliverer and Sunderer into one cert. Call it Mobile Troop Transportation, or something along those lines. Make the Deliverer be able to get without Tech, and the Sunderer where you need Tech. But I dirgress from the point. The three new vehicles can be piloted in Reinforced Exosuit, and they are all closed cockpits, which goes against what was stated about piloting and reinforced. The ANT isn't exactly a closed cockpit. It is also big enough inside that Reinforced should be able to fit. Personally, I always set aside a favorate for driving, just in case I want to drive my ANT or AMS, or what have you. I however don't fly, so I can't say anything about them.

[Doppler]

The reason they dont want people driving ants in reinforced is they dont want folks using the ant as a troop transport vehicle. On the reinforced in sund and deliverer as has been stated before i totaly agree with you.

[Liquidtide]

Doesn't rexo have 100 more armor than agile?

Infil=0
Standard=50
Agile=100
Rexo=150
MAX=650?

I'd like to see rexo have 200, that would make it worth 3 certs, or just lower it to 2 certs.

[BadAsh]

In regards to the Rexo and closed cockpit vehicles my opinion is that if the vehicle is an assault vehicle that has offensive weapons and or gunner positions then you need agile or lighter armor be the pilot. In this way you don�t battle it out enjoying the benefits of a tank or fighter aircraft and then bail out and have the benefits of the Rexo (heavy armor and increased inventory capacity).

If the vehicle has no weaponry (AMS, ANT, ect.) or defensive weaponry (like the smaller guns on troop transport vehicles) then you should be able to wear the Rexo.

BadAsh

[Dharkbayne]

I think you should be able to fly galaxies in rexo

[Hamma]

I remember when we asked SmokeJumper on the AGN why a rexo can sit in the TG seat but not pilot. He said "Cushier seat I guess" :lol: