Revolutions Spoiler filled review, shotgun style.

[MrVicchio]

I went and saw it, let me say this, I was not overly impressed.

Yes, the special effects... they rocked. But I have a question... why didn't the humans have an emp device, portable... why did they have to wait for the ship to make it in

Also, the end, it sucked, big time. I wanted more closure then that for something that was supposed to leave no loose ties.. that one had wide open doors.

Trinity... no surprise there really. Think they drew her death scene out too much but whatever.

The new Oracle, cool they handled that well. She did a decent job.

VERY little "matrix" scenes, lots of Zion, I wanted to see Neo go into the machine world digitally, that would have rocked.

All in all, better special effects, still times overly cartoonish, but still enjoyable. Did Neo actually DIE? I think he did... but did he? Oracles comment about seeing Neo again says 20 years from now, we will see The Matrix, Generations.

Anyhoots, those are my first flash thought.

[Lexington_Steele]

No, the Watchicowski brothers would never bring neo back. It doesn't fit in the religous themes and motives.

Neo was a Jesus character. He needed to die to save humanity. A second coming of Jesus would suggest the end of the world.

Seeing Neo again would occur in heaven. Especially since one of the most important messages was regarding faith. I believe the oracle believed in an afterlife. Quotes like, "I didn't know, but I believed" coming at the very end of the movie point to this.

[MrVicchio]

Well, considering the one had come 6 times all ready.....

[Neon Apocalypse]

I totally agree with everything you just said. Of course one thing u didnt mention. The whole idea of PEACE. Thats total BULLSHIT. Im reading Dune: The Machine Crusade now and that idea would never happen. How could machines that wanted to kill off the human race, well atleast control them have piece. When the humans want their world back. It wont last a minute. I was expecting the machines just die, cut off the power from the Fields. BUT NO, there had to be PEACE, what a crappy ending. Some parts of the movie were too WWII, or Vietnam War cliche. Like the whole ammo thing, and the gunfire in the background. And parts of it were boring.

[Searo]

Sounds craptacular.

You're reading Dune? Does that one deal with the Butlerian Jihad? I've only got Dune and Dune Messiah. I need to pick up the rest sometime....

Warning: By reading the Dune books you are instantly biased against 99% of all Dune games. Seriously. The books imply a shield will instantly attract all saand worms in a huge area, one third of Emperor: Battle For Dune units are shielded, worms come after them as often as others.

[Neon Apocalypse]

yes it does come after the butlerian jihad, and machines simply want to eradicate all human life. and ive never played any dune games so im not biased

[Searo]

The games don't follow the books well, by reading the books you begin to dislike the games.

[Neon Apocalypse]

Well its a game based on the movie universe, the events taking place in the game are made up. Im not biased, but i think a dune game was a bad idea, something with the butlerian jihad would have worked out better

[Lexington_Steele]

The biggests bullshit in the movie was they never gave an acceptable explanation of how Neo ended up in the train station without being jacked into the Matrix. That made absolutley no sense.

The line in the movie that describes the movie best is the line that came from the commander of their military: "this makes no sense"

[Happy lil Elf]

I totally agree with everything you just said. Of course one thing u didnt mention. The whole idea of PEACE. Thats total BULLSHIT. Im reading Dune: The Machine Crusade now and that idea would never happen.The series you're reading has nothing to do with the Matrix. Even granting that they both contain machines fighting humans, the machines are apparently very different both in motivation and the actions they take. Comparing the two makes little sense.
How could machines that wanted to kill off the human race, well atleast control them have peace. When the humans want their world back. It wont last a minute. I was expecting the machines just die, cut off the power from the Fields. BUT NO, there had to be PEACE, what a crappy ending.1. The machines don't want to eradicate the human race. One of the main ideas behind the movies is they need the humans.

2. Smith had their back to the wall. Agreeing to peace was their only hope. For all we know the machines were as sick of the war as the humans. By agreeing to peace they could have been accomplishing two goals. Another option is that there are opposing schools of thought within the machine world. No one ever said they all agree with each other. I got the distinct impression that there was some sort of debate going on behind that odd face between the time Neo made his offer and the machines agreed to it.

3. We have no basis to think they would abandon their agreement without cause and it seemed in "The Matrix" the machines were in fact willing to make good on the deals they make.
Some parts of the movie were too WWII, or Vietnam War cliche. Like the whole ammo thing, and the gunfire in the background....too WW2? Vietnam war cliche? I guess I missed the napalm dropping and nazis getting shot :confused:. Ya lost me on this one.

As for the ammo thing, yeah, they could have just stamped M.A.F.A. on it and said screw it like those "great" 80's action flicks where cops can fire 20 shots out of a snub six shooter without ever realoding due to the Magical Ammunition Fairy sitting on their shoulder. Honestly though, if those things had been firing machine guns for 15 minutes without someone reloading them there'd be people saying how dumb that was. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess. The gunfire thing makes perfect sense to me. You have a bunch of exo suits dual wielding machine guns. Why wouldn't there be a ton of gunfire flying around?
And parts of it were boring.I assume you're referring to the parts where the plot advances. Think back to the first movie. There are many slow parts to it. The Matrix series have never been movies mainly based around action or special effects. They have geat action and special effects but it's always seemed to me the main emphasis was on the very concept of the very world the movies seek to create. Unlike that shitty preview I had to sit through. Jesus, did anyone else think "Torque" looks like a pile of monkey shit? Bleh that's a whole 'nother story.

Anyways it always seems, and sadly I might add, due to the almost awe inspiring special effects and action scenes the first movie contained those two factors are the first thing the sequels have been judged on by most people. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here really, just stating in general.



Now then, the train station thing. I guess if I'm willing to accept that he can "see" the machines and insta-kill them later in the movie I'm willing to shrug off the train station. The way I understood it is he is somehow able to access the machine world while in the real world and that's how he was able to kablooie the squids at the end of Reloaded. Possibly he accesses it through the "train station" between the Matrix and the machine world. Not sure /shrug. I do agree that they could have walked us through it a little better but in the end it doesn't bother me all that much.

[ZeusCali]

ah la la la la la la, cant get the spoiler finnally i can see a dam movie in english in france and your not going to spoil it for me im going to see it today! this post will be reedited with how much it rocks

[Aen]

Thx, Lil Elf, you cleared most of it up.

As for the train station this is what I think happened. In Reloaded, he emp's the sentinels. Then he is in the coma. In Revolutions, when he was talking to the Oracle I believe, he asks her questions regarding what he was supposed to do, and why she didn't tell him. Then she points to the sign above her door way. I think it means, Know thyself, and she explains that he wasn't ready to know that he had predecessors and the such. It gets brought up, why could he stop the sentinels in the real world and then she explains that the power of the one extends past this world(the matrix). She then explains that he should've died from the emp blast because he wasn't ready. But, he was in the real world then. So instead of "giving up" and dieing, he fought it, and ended up in between the real world and the matrix.

Yes, its still kinda etchy how he got there, but wts....

[Aen]

I went and saw it, let me say this, I was not overly impressed.

Yes, the special effects... they rocked. But I have a question... why didn't the humans have an emp device, portable... why did they have to wait for the ship to make it in

Also, the end, it sucked, big time. I wanted more closure then that for something that was supposed to leave no loose ties.. that one had wide open doors.

Trinity... no surprise there really. Think they drew her death scene out too much but whatever.

The new Oracle, cool they handled that well. She did a decent job.

VERY little "matrix" scenes, lots of Zion, I wanted to see Neo go into the machine world digitally, that would have rocked.

All in all, better special effects, still times overly cartoonish, but still enjoyable. Did Neo actually DIE? I think he did... but did he? Oracles comment about seeing Neo again says 20 years from now, we will see The Matrix, Generations.

Anyhoots, those are my first flash thought.

They didn't have the Emp cause it would mess up the dock and their own equipment.(Listen to Locke after the Logos came in.)

I agree with you on the ending, too wide open.

Trinity scene, nice but too long.....

Not sure what you mean by, "I wanted to see Neo go into the machine world digitally, that would have rocked." But the Neo Smith fight at the end was uber matrix.

Yeah, I think Neo is pretty much toast. It fits in with the religious aspects as well. Lil Elf put it nicely....

[MrVicchio]

I didn't mean with the EMP to have a device sitting there, I mean haveing something other then the hovercraft with them. Why couldn't they have had portable ones? We are actually working on tanks that fire EMP puleses, directed ones, why couldn't they have had that instead of duel machine gun exo suits?

[Aen]

Because Mechs with big ass guns is waaaayy more cool......

[Lexington_Steele]

Well, considering the one had come 6 times all ready.....
Consider those prophets and neo is the real deal.

[Lexington_Steele]

Thx, Lil Elf, you cleared most of it up.

As for the train station this is what I think happened. In Reloaded, he emp's the sentinels. Then he is in the coma. In Revolutions, when he was talking to the Oracle I believe, he asks her questions regarding what he was supposed to do, and why she didn't tell him. Then she points to the sign above her door way. I think it means, Know thyself, and she explains that he wasn't ready to know that he had predecessors and the such. It gets brought up, why could he stop the sentinels in the real world and then she explains that the power of the one extends past this world(the matrix). She then explains that he should've died from the emp blast because he wasn't ready. But, he was in the real world then. So instead of "giving up" and dieing, he fought it, and ended up in between the real world and the matrix.

Yes, its still kinda etchy how he got there, but wts....
The problem is that that doesn't make sense.

How does the power of the source extend beyond the matrix? Where did this power come from.

The souce is not some kind of metaphysical god. It is something of the machine world. The would suggest that Neo needed some kind of sensor that can detect electricity, but only certain types of electricity. He also need to be able to broadcast a signlal over a veriety of frequencies, know what frequency to send at at any given moment, and know the propper commands to send.

And how does this power allow Neo to leave his body and enter programs? If this is so then neo shouldn't even have to jack into the matrix. But we see neo jacking out of the matrix (I won't even get into the problem of going from the train to the matrix without being jacked and then suddenly jacking in.)

BTW it wasn't an EMP blast that put neo in the coma. Neo had experienced EMP blasts before (like in the first movie) with no negative results.

[TheRagingGerbil]

Gerbil's ideas on a couple of things...

Neo's real world powers
The Oracle stated that Neo's power extends to the source. The source being Neo himself. This implies that Neo could have the same abilities outside thw Matrix as he does inside. I think all the minds that were freed have a special ability (psychic abilities?) to some extent. Think about it this way, why was Neo the only one who could fly in the matrix? I think it was because his mind/thoughts were powerful enough to allow him to do this. In the first matrix Morph told Neo that the Matrix was based on a set up rules, and just like the real world, those rules could be broken.

The Train Station
The train station is a sort of Limbo between the machine world and the real world. The train acted as some sort of conduit or transport. Possibly a loader of some sort, a machine input/output port, floppy disk drive, etc.

We know the machines are communicating with each other all the time (radio or some means). Is it possible the energy blast (psychic energy) from Neo accessed this "loader" program ie: the train station through the squidy's? This would explain why the oracle said it should have killed him, possibly because there was no physical link between Neo's body and his conscience.

Marv' was the loader program inside the Matrix so that is why he had access to the train station. He was responisble for choosing which program to load.

We see Neo leave the train station by unjacking on board the hammer. This is because Trinity rode the train back and brought (loaded) Neo into the Matrix.

Neo's Real world abilities (later in the movie)
Again, his powers are psychic based, that is why it appears to be so draining on his body. The mines were easy, but the longer he fought, the weaker he was getting. This is the reason they had to pull up, since he could no longer fight off the squids.

Smiths death
This was very cool how Smith was finally defeated. Smith was able to become so powerful because he was unplugged from the system. The machines could no longer track him and delete him once he had become a rogue program. By assimilating with Neo, the machines had access to Smith's code, because Neo was jacked into the machines. As soon as Dues Ex saw that Smith had assimilated with Neo, the machines destroyed the code.

Neo's Death
I do believe Neo is dead. The final scene with the machine hauling him off is almost symbolic of Jesus hanging on the cross. His legs are close and arms are outstreached to the sides. The whole idea of our savior dying for us...pretty cool stuff there. Neo's mind/conscience is to powerful to be destroyed, so that may be permanently resident in the Matrix though. THis could be the reason the Oracle implies that we will see him again.

[ZeusCali]

okay just came back to seeing the Matrix Revolutions VO in Toulouse France funny in the theatre half the people were deaf (french subtitles)

okay the movie
The Oracle stated that Neo's power extends to the source. The source being Neo himself.

No Sorry TRG
but the source was what he was going to
in the "real world"(i believe its fake)
He went to the source by traveling
first to a machine city
then following the power lines to it's SOURCE
which was the SOURCE of the Machines
:rambling:
probably C1 or something i forgot what they named it in the cartoon but the first city the machines built that wupped the worlds ass in Economics
:rambling:
Other wise I agree,
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I loved how the machines kida idealized him in the end taking him away on the Huge Thing (was it moving or we were?)
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To the portable/aimable EMP
it takes alot of power to make an EMP
the "HoverCraft" had to divert about 5 minutes power to power it remember the "charge the EMP" line every time?
if there was an EMP gun it wouldnt fire more then one shot and be the size of a tank wasting ALOT OF POWER
and then it still need to be aimable which would take EVEN MORE POWER
and they were tight on power having to make
Power, Water, Food, Light, Air, Ships, Guns, Etc.
So in affect one think balance if they had a nuke some H bombs and EMP and the whole
"I've got a small dick so ill make an ungodly amount of destructive weapons" load
then the movie would be over with one guy pushing a little red button and everything goes kabloie
and the movie was about balance, and also also also!!
DO you like VS or TR/NC? hmmmm lots and lots of bullets or one obital strike which is more fun? Which looks better? Which TAKES longer?
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Plot its in every movie, pretty much extending the Trinity Death Scene was vital especially because it hits you harder the longer it lasts you realize alot of things if you dont just think "hurry up, i want more fighting"
You could of Realized the following:
1) He's Lost his eyes how can he survive?
2) He's Lost his Reason For fighting Will he keep going?
3) Will He Save her Again?
4) How Does he Get back to Zion with out a pilot/working ship?(ah snap maybe he wont be going back?)
5) How long can Someone live with 3 Metal Rods jabbed threw them?
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Neo Was the Never Giving up Human Spirt, With Godly powers
He was a religious figure to most of Zion except the Military how arent religious
Neo wanted to end the war at all cost and without trinity life would not be Good, Dieing wouldn't be bad at all for him
Neo was the link from the SOurce to Smith

How else were they going to get ride of smith?
For a few minutes there i actually thought smith was just going to go insane.

Is there a text limit on posting?
Oh well i keep going as long as i can think
i was up at 7 am and its 11 pm im tired but if i see a quote worth quoting ill comment more lets seeeee
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the gun and ammo thing provided five things needed
1)a way to get mr 16 year old Neo wannabe into some action
2)another place for love to Triumf
3)Realism
4)sense of how freaking long they were fighting
and
5) how scary it really was,especially having to send boys out to refill the Mechs,
"without our youth Life would decay quickly"
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On the Ending:
With having that Huge Smith Water battle they needed atleast a 30 minute cool down period before they give the ending
Because you cant switch us from
adrenaline pumping kick ass fight scene,
To awww he's our savior,
To Everyone Rejoice,
To Father and Mother meet Father pretty much say :fu: then mother and Sadi watch the sun rise
its unfair we cant change mood that quick so of coarse we will all say that sucks
and a Movie that Leaves you thinking and talking at the end does more then just its part
it makes you use your brain and
that my friend is real entertainment
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I believed from Reloaded that there were 6 matrix's built one on top of the other, that's how i explained Neo's abilty to kick machine but out of the first matrix so naturally they could have him defeat matrix after matrix with his yang chasing after him or they could leave it open make another billion dollars on another movie
Ok im done Thank you to any of you that read this whole thing

[Sputty]

Sounds craptacular.

You're reading Dune? Does that one deal with the Butlerian Jihad? I've only got Dune and Dune Messiah. I need to pick up the rest sometime....

Warning: By reading the Dune books you are instantly biased against 99% of all Dune games. Seriously. The books imply a shield will instantly attract all saand worms in a huge area, one third of Emperor: Battle For Dune units are shielded, worms come after them as often as others.
Which is why Dune, and Dune 2 and then Dune 2000(remake of Dune 2, I think) are good games IMO