Screw the haters - Matrix pwned

[TekDragon]

WARNING: The following is a mini review of the Matrix which contains some spoilers. Read at your OWN discretion.

Without a doubt a great movie. It had EVERYTHING

The humorous laugh out loud scene - when Neo tried getting out of the train station and ended up at the other end, looked around, and said "shit"

The unlikely hero - the kid that believed in Neo and at the end managed to get the ammo out to the APU captain, then took over the APU and opened the gate.

The cry scene - when trinity died. I admit, i got teary eyed. And they did it perfect. Long enough to give a true goodbye, but not long enough to make you lose interest (unless you have the attention span of a 6 year old).

The kick ass, pure testosterone scene - Tons of these. The ship flying through the maintanence tube, the APU's fighting the swarms of sentinals, Neo and Trinty breaking through the perimeter defence. There was an edge of your seat fight every 5 minutes and the plot NEVER lessened.

The kick ass fight scene - The ending fight. Good lord. I almost jumped out of my seat at times. The special effects were fucking awesome. So what if it had shades of DBZ? It was pure pwnage. The introduction to the fight was KICK ASS too. I mean, it just built the whole scene with Neo walking down the street in the water with all the Smith's lined up. *swoon*

5/5 stars.

No, 6/5 stars. The movie kicked entirely too much ass.

[Blood_Knight]

:thumbsup: meh must go seeeeee

[DaShiznit]

Man...you got it perfect. It ruled.

[TekDragon]

:thumbsup: meh must go seeeeee

You really shoudn't of read this if you didn't watch the movie. *shrug*

You'll still enjoy it. My GF spoiled half of it for me talkin on her cell to her friend :(

[Onizuka]

I dont watch the matrix.

[Blood_Knight]

I dont watch the matrix.
:sick: :jawdrop: :nono:
why not?

[TekDragon]

Well gee. Thank you for coming into a thread that, without a doubt, was of no other topic than "The Matrix" and informing us that you, in fact, do not watch "The Matrix".

:clap:

[Edit] And yet, you watch anime religiously *snicker*

[TekDragon]

I'd have to say my favorite scene in the entire movie was when those big ass protector robots came out of the ground and started shooting off the exploding drones.

I can't describe the scene.. but those who saw it know what I mean. The only way to sum it up is:

"Like.... whoa"

[Lexington_Steele]

This latest movie gets a 6/10, but only because the action was pretty nice.

Understanding my problems with the third movie require me to go through what went wrong and that involves bringing up the first two movies.

The Matrix trilogy began with real sci-fi continuity. The first movie made logical sense and brought up interesting philisophical questions, although they were rather juvenile philosophical questions.

The Second movie was where things began to go wrong. They upped the ante and raised more significant and more interesting philisophical questions (especially regarding the role of choice). The second movie still maintained the sci-fi continuity, however it's end contained physical occurances that they were not able to resolve in the third movie. In addition, they littered the movie with all kinds of religious symbolism that was not coherent or related. The religious imaagery in the second movie played no purpose in the story.

The second movie was still decent because it could still be viewed as quality science fiction and interesting philosophy. It also opened many doors that the third movie could have picked up like Morpheus grappling with his faith since the Oracle had lied to him.

Now we get to the third movie. The third movie threw out all sci-fi continuity and there were many things that occured that were not acceptably explained and did not make sense in the universe they had created. In addition there were no philisophical questions asked in the third movie. The third movie focussed on a religious message. This did not make sense because that message was not brought up in the first two movies.

So the third movie leaves us with an overall message that had nothing to do with the first two movies, and at the same time destroys the continuity the first two movies created.

So I can find little to praise in the underlying themes, morals, or overall purpose of the film. What I am left with is poor acting, plenty of scenes that served no purpose in the movie, characters with potential that were unused and actions scenes that were usually longer than they should have been.

I think 6/10 is being kind.

[Blood_Knight]

my local newspaper (the rocky mountain news) gave it a B- (and thats good bacause the person who rates the movies ussually rates them a grade lower then they should be)

[Squick]

I think you kinda summed up what I could not solidfy on why I feel unsatisfyed about the Matrix Lexington_Steele...

The first one was absolutely amazing... You left the theatre with a truely different mindset... Everything was presented so well, and double, and triple checked, that you almost have to ask "Well, who is to say I am NOT in a virtual world? What if the Matrix is not just a movie, but a message from our creators to toy with us?"

I have easily watched the first Matrix 20 times start to finish, and spot watched it another 100 times. It is a perfect movie.

But many things in the first and second movie struck me as being NOT POSSIBLE! One example from the second matrix... In the car chase scene the agents are on the left of Trinity's car and the camera is in the passanger seat of the agent's car, so they are looking right at Trinity... There are two bullet holes close together right at lower-chest level in the car door! We saw in previous scenes that bullets go through the door without problem. We know the agents use 50 cal desert eagle pistols... That bullet went right through the car door and into Trinity's gut!

Or the twins, they are firing an automatic gun spraying 50+ bullets on a downward looking angle at the exact spot that the keymaker is sitting, they had easily 3-5 seconds of firing... And not a single bullet hit him OR the tire?

The list of things goes on forever... You can bend the laws of nature, but you certainly can not be careless and ignore them.

Squick

[Spee]

The list of things goes on forever... You can bend the laws of nature, but you certainly can not be careless and ignore them.

Squick


Well, since it is entirely possible for someone to teleport through a phone line into another world, to jump 40 feet in the air, to punch someone hard enough to make them leave a crater in the wall, whats not to stop someone from increasing the strength of a door?

Maybe the Cadillac Corporation is Zion's attempt at Marketing. :p

[TekDragon]

The movie owned.

Though i respect your opinions. Personally, however, I didn't go into the movie expecting for it to be like reading a philosphy book.

I expected it to be a suspenceful action packed sci fi thriller.

My expectations = win.

[Squick]

But Spee... Those are all elements of the world that was created in the Matrix... Those are all physical alterations... The teleporting is just a disconnect, not a physical move...

The jumping high or punching hard are all alterations on physics; bending of the rules you might say. No where in the first Matrix did they do anything along the lines of "modifying external materials." A more realistic scene from the second matrix would be when Neo stopped the sword with his hand... He was able to strengthen his own hand, along with other things like moving with the sword a slight bit to prolong the collision... But he still got cut.

[Derfud]

ditto to Tek


Though the only thing that I was confused about was the "Zion was destroyed many times, just like it had been before" From the second movie, I was expecting the 3rd to clear that up. If anyone could explain what that means to me, I would be greatly appreciative.

[Spee]

But Spee... Those are all elements of the world that was created in the Matrix... Those are all physical alterations... The teleporting is just a disconnect, not a physical move...

The jumping high or punching hard are all alterations on physics; bending of the rules you might say. No where in the first Matrix did they do anything along the lines of "modifying external materials." A more realistic scene from the second matrix would be when Neo stopped the sword with his hand... He was able to strengthen his own hand, along with other things like moving with the sword a slight bit to prolong the collision... But he still got cut.


I'm not going to get into a Matrix discussion, as I've found those are the longest things in the history of the universe, ever. Basically, everything in the Matrix turns into a speil about Existentialism and how reality can be altered, so on, and so forth.

In summary...

Physics = t3h lose.
Reality = t3h lose.
Theology = t3h win.

[1024]

yes. the movie did completley pwn. I'm so getting it when it comes out on DVD. KICK ASS MOVIE.

Especially liked the first part of the attack on Zion. Like 30 mins of action, but action that kept you interested. Notm "When the fuck is this battle going to end?" action, it was "Holy Shit! Whoa! FUUUCCKKK!!!!" over-and-over action.

[TekDragon]

yes. the movie did completley pwn. I'm so getting it when it comes out on DVD. KICK ASS MOVIE.

Especially liked the first part of the attack on Zion. Like 30 mins of action, but action that kept you interested. Notm "When the fuck is this battle going to end?" action, it was "Holy Shit! Whoa! FUUUCCKKK!!!!" over-and-over action.

I know, right?

BTW: When they were at the french man's club and the fighting broke out inside the club, did you hear the sound the french man's girl made? Me and my gf both swear she had an orgasm when the guns got pulled. Kinky bitch.

[Sputty]

I know, right?

BTW: When they were at the french man's club and the fighting broke out inside the club, did you hear the sound the french man's girl made? Me and my gf both swear she had an orgasm when the guns got pulled. Kinky bitch.
You..do realise it's fake, right?

[TekDragon]

Realize what's fake?

The boobs on the french man's girl? The fact that the Matrix is fake? The orgasm (like maybe she was pretending to have an orgasm?)?

Or are you trying to make the point that the whole movie is fake?

[Lexington_Steele]

Though the only thing that I was confused about was the "Zion was destroyed many times, just like it had been before" From the second movie, I was expecting the 3rd to clear that up. If anyone could explain what that means to me, I would be greatly appreciative.
Neo was the one. There had been 5 'one's before him.

For the Matrix to work best, they had to allow the humans a subconcious choice of whether they want to accept the matrix as reality. If they did not offer that subconcious choice, all humans reject the matrix.

Enter Zion. Those people need somewhere to go.

The machines could not let the humans get too powerful. So the machines would actively hunt humans and when 'the one' appeared they would move to destroy Zion.

The one would make his way to the architect, where he would be given the choice of dooming all humans, or picking 24 people to build a new Zion. The 'one' picks the door that means repopulate Zion, the current Zion is subsequently destroyed, and a new Zion begins with those 24 people.

So this process happened 5 times. Number 6 was Neo and he supposedly picked differently because of his love for Trinity.

[Derfud]

ok, I get it now. Thanks :)

[Spee]

I was really digging the UT2K3-esque-shock-rifle-combo shock waves Neo and Smith were generating. Pretty pretty water....

[Onizuka]

No, the movies are real, everything in it really happened :p

[TekDragon]

I was really digging the UT2K3-esque-shock-rifle-combo shock waves Neo and Smith were generating. Pretty pretty water....

Omg, those things rocked.

[Derfud]

Yeah, those were pretty awesome.

[Lexington_Steele]

I was really digging the UT2K3-esque-shock-rifle-combo shock waves Neo and Smith were generating. Pretty pretty water....
I was thinking of a Dragonball Z fight scene.

Ka-me-ha-me-ha :p

(btw, that is not a compliment)

[Spee]

I dont mean to speak in defense of DBZ, as I hate it, but really. They had the epic-superpowered-titan-folk-beating-the-ass-out-of-each-other-kung-fu-style DOWN.


I was actually waiting for someone to start teleporting. :p

[Paingiver]

good, i thoght i was the only person who noticed the french dudes wife having an orgasm when the fight was about to start, but on another note it never realy explained why neo could destroy the machines with his hands and see electricity, can someone clear that up for me?

[Blood_Knight]

maybe cause its just a movie......?!???!!??!?!!? :p

[EarlyDawn]

This is my theory and I'm sticking to it:

SPOILER WARNING
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When Neo jumped into Smith at the end of the original movie, he "imprinted" something on him, as Smith suggests in Reloaded. What I think is that Smith (And Johnson and whoever the other agents were) is the distributed intelligence for the Sentnals and the other robots. This is alluded to because they are refered to as "sentient programs" in the original by Morpheus.

When Neo defeated Smith in the original, not only did he break Smith free of his constraints, but affected the sentenals in the real world, in a way which he could destroy them because, again, like Smith suggests, just as Neo imprinted something on him, Smith altered Neo in some way.

As to how Neo interfaces with them, you could argue some kind of ultrabroadband radio or electromagnetic transmission from his jack, or because he could transmit from the hovercrafts' core based on proximity and an (subconcious) understanding of how the Matrix was structured in the real world. (Think understanding the best router path on the internet, or whathaveyou.) For the sake of argument, how he was wirelessly interfacing with the Matrix is really nonessential.

[Happy lil Elf]

Neo was the one. There had been 5 'one's before him.

For the Matrix to work best, they had to allow the humans a subconcious choice of whether they want to accept the matrix as reality. If they did not offer that subconcious choice, all humans reject the matrix.

Enter Zion. Those people need somewhere to go.

The machines could not let the humans get too powerful. So the machines would actively hunt humans and when 'the one' appeared they would move to destroy Zion.

The one would make his way to the architect, where he would be given the choice of dooming all humans, or picking 24 people to build a new Zion. The 'one' picks the door that means repopulate Zion, the current Zion is subsequently destroyed, and a new Zion begins with those 24 people.

So this process happened 5 times. Number 6 was Neo and he supposedly picked differently because of his love for Trinity.

This is my view on it in light of the Architect's discussion with the Oracle: The Architect was simply trying to take Neo off of the path he was walking thus keeping everything the way it was. Whether he was teling the truth about the previous ones or lying about them does not matter. Perhaps he did convince 5 previous people to "save the human race" and go along with the destruction of Zion, perhaps not. Either way it does not matter when discussing his motivations for telling Neo what he did.

This brings yet another much used theme, Change vs. Stasis, into the series and, as it always tends to in both novels and movies, change wins in the end.

[Zatrais]

Love the 3rd movie as much as i love the others. Kick ass movie whit a good ending.

Tho for some reason i couldn't stop thinking of ilidan from war3 hehe.