*sigh* more cr 5 problems

[Kikinchikin]

Today I logged in for an hour or hour and half of action. Found my outfit finishing up on searhus and our next attack was to be on esamir. I was excited since I like esamir and rarely get to go there. We got there took about 5 or so bases when Schitzer comes on global Guys Ishundar has a hack we need to secure that. Soon after that another cr 5 gets on and goes large enemy force at ishundar please recall. For the next 15 minutes all i hear is recall now we need reinforcements NC are invading us recall blah blah blah. We had esamir down to only 35 positions left, 15 minutes later it was 100+. The vanu were just starting to spawn there and we had the potential to have an excellent sized battle on esamir (im talking like zerg caliber, but much more fun) But no, once again seemingly every CR 5 whines about Ishundar, when many werent even on ishundar. I used to care about "home" continents, but now i dont give a rats ass. Fact is we were having a good invasion of esamir and having fun, but becuz our "home" is invaded we have to recall. Worst thing is- people actually listen. Hamma was there with me, we had a good discussion on CR 4 about it. I can only hope the day when myself and more people like me are cr 5. perhaps then the TR will actually invade continents rather than always owning the same 4 (ish, for, cery and searhus)

:rant:

[Rayder]

You've got a high opinion of yourself. You cannot have "good commanders" withut having "bad commanders", everything is balanced. And usually the "bad commanders" are the ones that people listen to because the populace is a sheep and the "commander" the sheperd. People don't give a damn about "good commands" that will make them work for something, because people are lazy. Locking the same 4 continents is easier than going out fighting for others.

[Kikinchikin]

If i came off as arrogant in that post, i apologize. Was just trying to get the point across that I will not conform to what the current cr 5's do when i get my cr 5. And if people decide to listen, it will likely effect which continents we take.

[Rarzo]

I was there! omg, I know... All there was "100+ Tr! We Need more over here, drop what your doing and get over here now. What your fending off a tower on another continent, who cares, get over here!!" My whole chat window was full of globel messages saying that we need to go over to Ishundar. I like CR5s but come on... Say it once...wait 5 minutes maybe say it again. But please limit it. Maybe they should put a limit on how many Globel messages CR5s can send

[BUGGER�GHO�T]

cr5s suck. We once got more than half way into Cyssor and suddenly we get global spam that Forseral is getting its ass wooped because one base got haxxored but only because the base went nutral.:rolleyes:

hey, they may be attacking our homebase, but what are we attacking? Some base on Searhus? Some base on one of the far moons on Endor? NO! We're fucking attacking the enemy's home cont. Plus we're half way through their cont when they just got 1 stinkin Interlink Facility. WTS is up with cr 5s today?

[Kikinchikin]

If they could only know how moronic they sound...

[Hamma]

I'm getting tired of it too. I know for a fact there are good CR5's but they are too passive, either they are being overruled when they are chatting in CR5 command chat or they just dont have any balls. When I get CR5 someday I will lead offensives while the other CR5's tuck tail and run back to the home conts.

There are only a few times I agree with recalling. If its just one continent that is compromised LET THEM HAVE IT. IF we are under full scale invasion or there are 2 continents under possible siege pick one and secure it. Let them have the other. But I DO NOT agree with cancelling a GOOD scale offensive, to defend a home continent.

Im also tired of Searhus - The CR5s now think its our 3rd home cont. Fact is it serves no purpose, I would much rather be raiding some other empires home continent than running off to searhus.

I know its hard to command, so dont try and feed me that :p its just the stupid commands people start spouting off over global. Whining we need to pop lock ish. We were engaged on that continent for AT LEAST 3 hours, we should have left it. In that time we could have owned 1-2 other empires home conts.

[Mordith]

KiKiNChikin,
Sorry to hear, but I've got to bother you and ask how you got the dice cert pics in your sig. I can't seem to figure it out.

[BDMJ]

I have noticed that the TR cr5s send massives to searhus when I know there is little to no resistance. I try to avoid making commands like that. If we need searhus taken, but there is no fight there, we (the cr5s) just take our personal squads there. I'm leaning more toward continuing a good offensive if a home continent is threatened (excepting cyssor cause cyssor rocks hard).

[Rayder]

The way I see it, is that those cr5's that have some sort of strategical knowledge and know how to lead, don't because they're afraid of being wrong and having everyone flamming them or something on some sort of forum such as this one.

[Hamma]

Thats possible, in wich case they should have stayed CR4 :p

Im used to getting angry tells and getting threads about me, so when im CR5 I wont care :p

[Fingerbob]

ok, I'll lay it out for you (and yes, I was on esamir with you, then went back to ish ... in fact, it was my squad that pretty much secured Ran, got the ANT there to fill it once it was neutral, held the tower from LazyT and his pals ...)

WE had approx 60 people on Esamir. we were there because all our homes were locked, searhus was locked, perfect position to strike out and take enemy continents (which is what you're all bitching about).

a force of 20 to 25 NC turned up at marduk, and started the hack. we only had 3 5's on defence duty, they pulled in their own squads but didn't manage to get the resecure.

as soon as the continent opened, ALL of the NC decended on Ishundar. yes, ALL of them. as soon as this happened, comm started globalling for help.

the big question is why the hell don't you guys turn up! there's 100 enemy to kill, if we stamp on it before the continent is fully opened you get
a) a great fight (there's at least a hundred enemy in one or two locations, what more do you need!)
b) we keep the base count up
c) we get to relock our home conts, which means the ONLY place we can go next is enemy territory!

after globalling for help for nearly half an hour, some TR *finally* decided that they'd leave Esamir and help on Ishundar. well, here's the news guys ... too frikkin late. FAR too frikkin late. at that point ishundar was lost, and cery was starting to open.

I took my guys over to Cery, to try and ensure we didn't get ANOTHER VS / NC double-team going on that cont, and with the help of Chikin and a few other folks, we managed to push them off. what were all the TR doing right about now ? SITTING ON GODDAMED ISHUNDAR, BEING DOUBLE-TEAM-REAMED.

if you want to attack enemy continents, you need a LINK. to get the link, we need to HOLD OUR HOME CONTS. (at least 2 of them, and searhus is a bonus). this much should be obvious, and this is why we try and make sure home conts get locked red and stay locked red. once the home conts are red, you have your pick of ALL the enemy territory. if we have 2 locked, we're restricted. if we have one locked, we only have two choices. if we have none locked, you ain't going ANYWHERE near the enemy ... why ? no link.

as for all of this "ooh! spitfire on ish! recall!" attitude that Morphius and his ilk are so happy to promote, and you guys seem to think is real, well, that's a load of bollocks. here's a suggestion ... Spend a little time on a locked home continent. watch just how many times it gets hacked, gens get taken down, towers get capped. watch who cleans it all up. see just how many times you get globalled. instead of believing the Morpheius bullshit, get out of the zerg once in a while and see just how much behind-the-lines work goes on to make sure you guys CAN push forwards on enemy continents, without being asked to come back.

/rant.

[Kikinchikin]

Mordith to answer your ? you gotta go to dicepoint and find your character. then you take the url for each individual lil pic and string em all together with the[img] format of course.

and main thing i was pissorzed at was i never get to go to esamir hardly, and for once there was a good fight. plus i hate zergs.

[Veteran]

pwipe

[FireZ]

Thats 1/2 the problem with the game right now is the fact that I have been on ishundar 1/2 my planetside days....this becomes VERY borring and I personally would never like to see it again. No body hardly goes to ceryshen because it sucks for anyone without air(there are some good battles but not very oftem). Forseral has a lot of good fights on it but we always seem to end up on Ishundar.

The only think that I see to solve this, because it will always happen, is SOE to employ the same rotating feature to the continents as they plan for the caverns. This way there is different home continents every day or so so one side doesn't get board of the fight. I'm sure the NC are probably as sick of Cyssor as we are of Ish.

[flypengy]

Poor poor emerald players. :'(

[InfiniteStorm]

The VS CR5's on emerald would rather find a good fight than just start recalling ever 5 minutes. Our home bases always get hacked while we are on Forseral or Hossin, but we continue to push on those continents. I would rather fight a good fight for all my planetside days and end up with 2 bases by the time I log than win the day by keeping our base count high so I can feel good about myself when I look at yesterday's winner.

If you are assualting another continent and you have bases there, guess what, you have a link. This may come as a surprise but all lattice links don't come from locked home continents. I personally don't mind many of the CR5's for the VS. They seem to just want a good fight. Most global spam is something like "If you are looking for a good fight Amerish needs some help and Hossin has spaces left open." Not "OMG, they have a base on our home continent, if we don't defend now we won't get our names up saying we won for the day." You wouldn't believe how many times a day the NC locks either Oshur or Esamir while we are on Forseral and Cyssor. We don't care all that much, you go cap your empty bases and have fun with all that, we'll continue to have a very good fight with the TR and NC elsewhere. If we start being pushed back on a continent we are assualting, then we will go back and resecure Oshur, Esamir and Amerish and then move on from there.

I also have to say fighting on the same 3 damn continents every day for a month gets real old. That is why I like assualting other continents. I know I could probably draw you a diagram of Amerish's exact contour and layout with base names and lattice links just from memory I used to go there so much.

I don't know why everyone puts so much emphasis on home continents, there are no sanc strikes so why do you care so much?

my 1.47 cents

[Hamma]

With all due respect, we should let them have it if they launch an attack like that. We have 2 other home continents with links from them plus the option to run bases neutral.

Why doesent anyone come to ish? Because they dont care about it, they dont want to spend every day defending it. They want to play offensivly not defensivly. Pulling our forces to ish ruins any offensive, those on esimir were just getting steamrolled because everyone tucked tail and ran. I was one of them because I really didnt feel like getitng owned because everyone left to ISH.

[Hamma]

And what really pisses me off is when my squad and a few others have launched an offensive say on amerish.. and some CR5 starts cont spamming "DO NOT ATTACK AMERISH!@#!@# ATTACK SEARHUS!!"

Thats bullshit, and that CR5 should be hung.

[Fingerbob]

with all due respect back Hamma, if we'd got the two squads or so that comm were asking for within the first five minutes, no recall order would have been necessary - we'd have secured and relocked without hurting the esamir attack at all. but getting people to actually *pipe up* and offer their squads is getting more and more difficult as time goes by.

when I'm on active cont comm, I'm sure you see me *all the time* asking "we need blah at blah, /tell me". I know for a fact I should be getting at least 10 possible responses, but I'm lucky if I get one, and they're nearly always from the same group of guys. I can ask till i'm blue in the face ... drop this gen, drop those tubes, repair that gen, air cover for this, gal for that. it's mostly a waste of time, because very few people bother to reply ... and I'm fairly sure there's a large bunch of CR4s on the continent, bitching about what we're trying to do. well, i'm gonna say it now. WAKE UP AND HELP.

I know you and chikin are heading for 5, and i'm looking forward to it (I like both you guys, I've played beside you before) for two reasons : one, it's gonna be a baptism of fire, and two, it'll give us a few more people to play the "i've got all the XP I need, now how can we WIN" game.

until you get there ... please talk to the cr5s. tell them what you're up to. tell them what your POV is. tell them tac and strat info from the ground. use command! that's what it's there for! because right now, I can tell you the names of 30 or so CR5s, and probably 20 or so active SLs that I work with regularly ... but I'm damned if I know for sure ANYONE who's CR4. I know this is because of the shitty way the game handles CR4 <-> CR5 comms, but it doesn't have to be like a brick wall.

and here's a bit of story from a few weeks back that might amuse you moaners ... after Morph started up his "Emerald TR CR5 are idiots" threads on the OF, we decided to let him call the shots for a day. he did exactly what all you guys seem to want ... we didn't keep any conts locked, we pushed out fast zergs thru nme territory, all for about 3 hours. by which point, VS had locked Ish, NC had locked Cery, and we were left with a couple of bases on For. and it stayed like that all night. if that's your ldea of fun, then tell me right now so I can quit in peace ;)

[Hamma]

It would be nice if that /sitrep command would work. Its such a pain in the ass to do a /tell blahalbah when your in the middle of a fight. I tested that /sitrep with a CR5 on Forseral once and he said he wasnt getting it :mad:

/me adds to interview question list

[BDMJ]

Just curious, but how long have you been cr5 fingerbob?

After the first month or so, I just stopped trying and began to just give advice to the new guys so they could bang their heads against the wall. I know of maybe 10 non-cr5/my outfit people that actively coordinate with the cr5s.

[EarlyDawn]

Sitreps work for me...

[ZionsFire]

TRCR5:OMG! SPITFIRE ON FORSERAL! ROLL THOSE PROWLERS!

[Fingerbob]

Bishop, about 2 months now ... kinda getting to the same point, for probably the same reasons. so much about this game I love, and so much about it that's driving me mental. I'm heading for that point where I just keep my mouth shut, and tell my outfit and a few personal friends where all the good fighting is, and let the empire do their thing. Kinda sucks, coz the coordinated fights are the best, hands down (two actively commanded sides against each other, lattice breaks all over, ground and air cover set up in ambush spots, etc ... LOVE it.) but this last month, it seems all the majority want to do is pick the closest AMS to lemming out of.

[Zatrais]

TRCR5:OMG! SPITFIRE ON FORSERAL! ROLL THOSE PROWLERS!

:rofl:

yep, thats the essence of it