Budget cuts! HAHAHA NO RIFLE FOR YOU!

[AztecWarrior]

I read that due to budget cuts, there aren't enough rifles to go around.

Stop looking at Russia on the map. This is happening in the US of A.

Captured AK-47s are being used by tank crews because there aren't enough M4s.

Some like it better, the whole spray and pray deal. However, we have people in the line of fire without fucking guns! All some tank crews have are like one M4 and an M9 (Beretta 92F) pistol.

I also have a Small Arms Review showing the New Jersey National Guard. Due to budget cuts, they are still using Vietnam-era M60s and M119 tin can troop carriers, as opposed to the new M2 Bradleys that are needed.

Dude, I just don't want to know about the poor fucker who is IN the M119 and doesn't have a rifle, just a pistol.

So please. Don't live in New Jersey, and don't just think budget increases for the military are evil democratik imperialism.

[Everay]

whats wrong with the AK47? its like one of the best assault rifles ever made. but yea, that sucks.

[AztecWarrior]

whats wrong with the AK47? its like one of the best assault rifles ever made. but yea, that sucks.

I watched this M16 (old type) vs AK-47 show on the History Channel. They are very, very different. And keep in mind that these AKs are old as hell.

[Everay]

yea, i agree, theyre different, but i saw the same show (i think) and in it i saw a AK47 round rip through concrete, and the old m16 couldnt.


old as hell....good point, though, you gotta realize, theyre pretty strong, but i dunno how the age would affect them

[Squeeky]

Also keep in mind the weapons are very different. And these men and women aren't trained to use foreign weapons. That's like being a pilot, and being trained to fly an F-18, then being expected to go up in an F-14 and fight a war. It's gonna be tough :p

[Squick]

I hate to sound like a sheep, but I am pretty sure I saw that same special... Wasn't that the one that condemned the M16 and M4 because of how often they jam... And how they are more on the "rifle" side of the assault rifle equation... Where as the AK47 was more of the machinegun type gun, and it was nearly impossible to get it to jam?

The reason I was thinking about that was Lynch said her gun jammed and no one could free it... Usefull gun...

[Zodiac]

News link or this is bullshit, and it already reaks of it.

No way would the US Army put one of our boys out there without a weapon. If any thing, the ammount of troops deployed would most likely be effected by a budget cut, not the ammount of equipment that was issued.

[Bighoss]

I saw this show as well. It says the M16 was more of a rifle and the AK47 was more of a machine gun. The AK rarely jams but stuff can still go in and effect the accuracy but they can still shoot which is good. The M16 is more a of precision gun while the AK47 is just spray and kill.

I read somewhere that the government is expiermenting with this rifle that uses magnets to speed up bullets like 10x as fast. When the bullets hit something it just fucking explodes!!! Maybe there holding out until those things are the norm.

Did anyone see the show where they explain this system that allows this computer attached to the gun and helmet of the soldier aim so perfectly that it was like able to hit an asprin like 100 yards away?

[Everay]

well, yea, i think were all talking about the same show...strange. about the magnetic rifle thing, thats a rail gun, expect to see it on tanks by the year 2012, thank god, itll be replacing the Depleted Urnaium shells we currently use.

[TekDragon]

M-16 is a precision assault rifle meant for medium to long range combat in open areas.

AK-47 is a "spray-n-pray" meant for enclosed areas where the large-ish clip can be used to saturate an area. In addition, an AK-47 is good in intence environmental areas. They can be dropped from a 2 story building, thrown into water, have the water freeze, take it out, throw it around a few more times, thaw it, then unload the full clip with no problems.

[EDIT] The point of this is (for those without reading comprehencion) that, for soldiers in the Iraq campaign where close urban combat is common - the AK-47 is preferable, even if there were enough M-16's to go around.

[Mtx]

When you go to war.. you bring your rifle with you. You're issued a weapon the moment you enter your very first station. There may not be a ton of M4s but there sure as hell are enough M16s to go around. What do you think we did with allt he M16s after Clinton reduced the military? "Well we have to kick you out but what the hell, soldier. Take the gun with you. Maybe join the post office freaks." :lol:

[arctik]

News link or this is bullshit, and it already reaks of it.

No way would the US Army put one of our boys out there without a weapon. If any thing, the ammount of troops deployed would most likely be effected by a budget cut, not the ammount of equipment that was issued.

[Ait'al]

I think that may be because they havent finished getting the new guns to everyone and my have run into budget cuts that are slowing htem down. As in this is and upgrade of arms not a general lack of them. Like putting 20,000 F-22 raptors into service by 2005 and saying, ohh no, those poor F16 pilots.They just recently changed the weapons to the new ones. We havent exactly been useing hte electronic site scope shit with the veiw going to your eye peice for the last 30 years. They were stil decideing and revamping the design like a year or 2 ago. Not to mention they all cost so much damn more than the weapons we usually chose to switch too. Even the cheapend versions of then. Except maybe for some of the rifles in hte 1800's. Or so they say. lol As those in the Air force know, if we didnt over price we couldnt have new toys.

Squeeky useing training for guns is jsut learning there recoil and the where the safety is in terms of complication! Its not like learning all the shit on an F-18. There are basic designs to guns that make them easy to switch between, a thousand times easier if your just shooting htem. The F-18 and other planes in our military you have learn codes and how some idiot decided to over protect the controls for useing a sidewinder. Though there a damn good deterent. 8)IE alot of technical crap with in a system with no specific design feature to help you figure them out because it would make it easier for the enemy or other countries to figure it out. Not to mention all the other things there designed for.
There no comparison between a Fighter Bomber and a Gun.

And we dont use depleted Uranium shells! We tried it in hte first Gulf War. which has been declasified and Admitted to be the cause of Gulf War syndrome. We stopped because they cause radiation to go everywhere adn hurt us and everyone else who goes near them for the next 10,000 years. We were planning stuff for them for ever even after the gulf war but we werent going ot use them.
The versions after were either the Pentigon trying to get them into service since what the Gulf War syndrome thing wasnt declasified to cover there asses or because it had other basic design features in the tanks like it being part rail gun, which was the real design they wanted to use. But we dont use them. We just use some advanced anti armor shells not that use a physical design and faster velocity to pentrate shit, and some old fashion explosive tips or afterchages to blow the insides of tanks they hit.

[Everay]

umm, yes, we do use them, i was watching the history channel, mail call, and the gunny went out to check out tanks, and they showed two diffrent types of rounds, the plain ol hit and break the enemys tanks armor, was the depleted uranium shell, ten times as dense as iron, and the other was a incindeary shell.

[ZeusCali]

your comparying some one in the army with some on who watched the history channel
HISTORY as in they dont use em any more think boy and dont think u know more then the person IN the military

[Ait'al]

They still have rounds of the stuff to show. Crapploads of them, they dont use them though. there not neccesarily usefull anymore. If you say him hold it with his bare hands that the tip off. Used to have tons of htems not sure now.

Just think of how many science teachers have had some uranium in there class somewhere. People like samples. 8)

[Firefly]

This report is flawed or misinformed.

The M4 is a smaller version of the M16. Not every US Solder has an M4, but EVERY soldier will have an M16. Tankers would be getting the M4 because it's smaller. If you've ever been in the turret of an Abrams, you know why that would be more ideal. It's not exactly roomy in there. Think of a Yugo. Think of fifty clowns at the circus. Shrink it down and that's your turret.

What is being reported, and what is true, is that US Soldiers are collecting and using the AK47 because a) it's more widely-used there, b) there is more access to ammo for it, and c) the AK variants being seen there are "para" versions- also known as the AKSU... which are roughly the size of the M4.

http://www.airsoftextreme.com/images/aksu1.jpg

And yes, National Guard and Reserve units get hand-me-down equipment. It's been that way for the last fifty years, why all of a sudden is everyone concerned? Combat units are generally given priority IF they deploy. If a Guard unit deploys, they generally trade in their CUCV vehicles for a Humvee. If they have tracks, they trade them in for better ones.

As far as the M60 goes... all of the weapons we have in our inventories are retro-fitted. So even if the weapon was manufactured for Vietnam, it has been upgraded. And if you have any common sense (and the endurance and stamina)at all, you'll take an M60 over most other weapons. Carrying the PIG isn't something for everyone, it's not as light as a rifle. But it fires a 7.62 round as opposed to the M16 round, it's automatic, and it's a nasty motherfucker to die by. I would rather carry the -60 than a stupid rifle. I am a big boy and can adequately handle the load.

Oh, and it's not M119- it's M113. The M119 is a towed howitzer (artillery), not an armored personnel carrier.

M119:
http://sill-www.army.mil/pao/photos/feb801/M119.JPG

M113:
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carriers/m-113/m113.jpg

[Peacemaker]

/me claps for Firefly

Excelent job shutting this down. Foolish people with their misinfo jumping to conclusions.

m4 is the equivilant of the Ak47, it has the 30 round clip and fully auto. The m16 has a 15 (maybe 16 i frgt its been a while) round clip and is alot more accurate. Infact some snipers use the M16 over any other rifle.

[NightWalker XI]

The USA out of money....teh li3!

:P

[SecondRaven]

All i know is if Clinton did not have the millitary cut we would not be in this problem....Ohwell i know my bro who is in the army has this werid ass gun (remids me of the RC-P90's on goldeneye) atleat thats what i saw in the picture. Anyone have anyclue of what it is?

[Sputty]

All i know is if Clinton did not have the millitary cut we would not be in this problem....Ohwell i know my bro who is in the army has this werid ass gun (remids me of the RPC 90 on goldeneye) atleat thats what i saw in the picture. Anyone have anyclue of what it is?
What problem? There is no problem. Some people are picking up AKs because they prefer the more automatic style of gun for urban combat. Clinton didn't give M-16A2s to everyone.
No idea what gun it is

[SecondRaven]

Clinton did a cut for the millitary...so i concider that problem...today we need that millitary

[NightWalker XI]

WTF you need the military foor?

Wait...don't tell me you are planning on global domination *gasp*

Get a grip, are you going to take on the whole of the Middle Eats, methinks not

*yes, I am war*

[Sputty]

Clinton did a cut for the millitary...so i concider that problem...today we need that millitary
Actually, the cut was because we didn't need it. The cold war's over

[SecondRaven]

But now we do need it, i mean with the North Korea thing getting out of hand..and the middle ease confict still in progress..

[Sputty]

But now we do need it, i mean with the North Korea thing getting out of hand..and the middle ease confict still in progress..
It's not like the military is tiny. And USSR had a much more powerful military than NK. The middle east is mainly an urban situation anyway.

[SecondRaven]

USSR isnt that called Russia now? (heh i hated US Class) and great Russia has a huge army...ya they are on our side...for what we know...but still i would like to see...bah i dont know my head hurts now...

[arctik]

I think our army is powerfull enough already, budget cuts wouldnt have really be a problem. We need to start putting money into making society better rather than spending it on a war. Sorry but I would like to go to school and get a good education not hear about Americans dieng and money wasted on a new gun or hover craft/plane.

[Dharkbayne]

Ak-47's are also better on Rainbow Six 3 and Americas Army, hehe

[Ait'al]

Yea like more money for schools and social secureity. If youve never worked and you are dilabled you get crap for money. We need another program. Dont wrry the proccess for geting on it now is goot enough to stop people from getting on it who dont need to. Unless Phyciatrist all go nuts and start lying constantly.

(Once again Social security is a grant system with local/state measures to hand it out. Its not socialism. :) It just seems like one with how everyone talks about it. You have to do all the same things you do in a grant you do here. Because it is a grant.)

Wait, we need more money to pay people smal amounts of money on a local lv to wathc our schools and keep htem in check. People in hte community and from a local fund with minimum pay and minimum Requirement with a place to report things to to get rid of stupid htings like the new crappy text book or bad use rules. So common sense can decide things again and not have the idiot principles out there who went took a bussiness management class and jumped to being a principle deciding everything.

:rant: Sorry. Ive been doing this alot lately.

[SecondRaven]

Your not going to have SS and retirment stuff if we lose the wars that are ahead...ya that is a guess that we are going to have wars *cough north korea cough* but i think we need to give all the money that we can able to the millitary.. so we can make sure that we will win....ill even join if it comes to it

[Cryptica]

This is a rather touchy subject, and while I wish we didn't have to fight wars and everything (why can't we all just get along?) I'm gonna side with Raven. If we're sending people out to war, they should definitely have the best equipment and weapons we can give them. I know a lotta close friends and relatives in the army that are over in Iraq now and I don't want them to be hurt or killed 'cause they don't have the best we could give them.

[Happy lil Elf]

Dont wrry the proccess for geting on it now is goot enough to stop people from getting on it who dont need to.
hahahahahahahaha......*snicker*....
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!


Ahem sorry about that.

[Mtx]

But now we do need it, i mean with the North Korea thing getting out of hand..and the middle ease confict still in progress..


You know what we learned about Korea during the Korean war? Stay the fuck out of Korea! We've already occupied one country. Our economy couldn't maintain if we tried to occupy another.. unless we started pumping a lot of oil.

[arctik]

Yes, I agree with the fact of giving the best equipment to our soldiers but I dissagree with the fact that we must constantly be at war. We should leave Korea the alone, I don't want more people dying. Frankly I used to like that the U.S.A was the all mighty but it gets old.

GBA. :usa:

[Sputty]

USSR isnt that called Russia now?
WTS? Are you 11?
I'm 17 and I remember a bit about the Cold War myself, and I read on it.

[Sputty]

You know what we learned about Korea during the Korean war? Stay the fuck out of Korea! We've already occupied one country. Our economy couldn't maintain if we tried to occupy another.. unless we started pumping a lot of oil.
Well, it was better than Vietnam, and it was backed by other countries. If it wasn't for China we would've taken over the North

[TekDragon]

Not even getting into this. The liberals took over this thread.

Actually, the cut was because we didn't need it. The cold war's over
ROFLMAO! What a fuking moron.

[EarlyDawn]

All i know is if Clinton did not have the millitary cut we would not be in this problem....Ohwell i know my bro who is in the army has this werid ass gun (remids me of the RC-P90's on goldeneye) atleat thats what i saw in the picture. Anyone have anyclue of what it is?RN P90?

[Acaila]

Important (http://www.imao.us/archives/000827.html) facts to take into consideration when dealing with NK.

[Sputty]

Not even getting into this. The liberals took over this thread.


ROFLMAO! What a fuking moron.
I'm getting tired of your idiotic posts. YOu don't know anything, you're totally ignorant, and you're blinded by Republican ideals(Many of which you break yourself with drug use)
You can never seem to listen, and even though you say "Liberals just sidestep" all you do is personally attack the poster.

[Mtx]

ROFLMAO! What a fuking moron.


Oh yeah, you're a smart. You don't argue his point at all. Instead you just insult him?!

Get out of here. Go make yourself a new bong and die.

[SecondRaven]

WTS? Are you 11?
I'm 17 and I remember a bit about the Cold War myself, and I read on it.

Dude you are the one who called it USSR, not me....It was USSR when it was a comunist nation....its not anymore...so its called Russia...Looks like i did learn something in class...so just chill sputty...no harm no foul..:)

[Sputty]

Dude you are the one who called it USSR, not me....It was USSR when it was a comunist nation....its not anymore...so its called Russia...Looks like i did learn something in class...so just chill sputty...no harm no foul..:)
Ok, I was just asking if you were young or something. I was talking about it when it WAS communist, so I said USSR. Sorry if it seemed like I was anbgry at you or something. I can't angry at you while you have that great sig

[Happy lil Elf]

You can never seem to listen, and even though you say "Liberals just sidestep" all you do is personally attack the poster.Yeah I learned this months ago. It's pretty much why I never bother to dispute him on any of the bullshit he spews on occasion. Talking to brick walls just isn't worth it. /shrug

[arctik]

Not even getting into this. The liberals took over this thread.


ROFLMAO! What a fuking moron.

Is this an example of why you were temp-banned in the first place? No one here is attacking anyone, and yet you come in and deliberately start a flame.

[SecondRaven]

Nope im not a yongen :) im 19 years young...ok im all clear now on this. oh and sputty i did not think you where getting angry well not to angry but we are cool right? :)

[Hamma]

Tek you need to chill out bro.. and these political debates in the lounge anger me very much.

[Firefly]

m4 is the equivilant of the Ak47, it has the 30 round clip and fully auto. The m16 has a 15 (maybe 16 i frgt its been a while) round clip and is alot more accurate. Infact some snipers use the M16 over any other rifle.
I hate to bust on you, but this is also false.

The M4 is not the equivalent of the AK. It may be roughly the same size, but hardly anyone uses the 15-rounds magazines anymore. I would estimate myself (unprofessionally without any empirical proof) that 99.9% of the Army uses standard 30-rounds magazines. The M4 is a shorter, lighter version of the M16. The M4 is not fully automatic. The M4 is only slightly less accurate than the M16, because the barrel is a bit shorter. In terms of accuracy, I mean range. The M4 is good for CQB and long-range, and by long range I mean at ranges longer than the AK47.

The M16 is definitely not a sniper's tool of choice. The only snipers who use it in the military are unofficial snipers, and that frigging idiot John Mohammed and his butt-boy Lee Malvo. The reason for the lack of use by "real" snipers is because a sniper is nailing targets far off, and the effective range of the M16 is not as great. At distance, its stopping power is greatly reduced, and that's a product of it being 5.56 instead of 7.62. While some snipers may actually use the M16 or a version of the M16, those who are professional well-trained snipers who take pride in their job and want the best tool for the job would never use anything less than 7.62.

A real sniper will use either the M24 or the Barrett .50-cal. And the Barrett is primarily the property of special operations. The M24 is more widely-used due to the above reason. The M24 is bolt-action 7.62, and based on the Remington 700, which is a favorite of SWAT, Police, and Emergency Response teams. And I'm sure everyone knows what the Barrett-Fifty is, it's one of the most widely-mentioned sniper systems in existence (although more hyped than used).

[arctik]

Somebody knows their stuff.

[Zodiac]

Where's my news link?

[AztecWarrior]

Where's my news link?

I had it on my mobile phone awhile ago. It was on CNN. Searching...

[AztecWarrior]

Here's a dead link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=1776&e=1&u=/ap/iraq_ak_47_heaven

Maybe it will come live.

BINGO!

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/5593388.htm
http://www.iraqwar.info/print.php?sid=631
http://www.socialistappeal.org/usa/between_iraq_and_a_hard_place.html

It was also on CNN somewhere, but CNN doesn't have it anymore.

[Zodiac]

Here's a dead link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=1776&e=1&u=/ap/iraq_ak_47_heaven

Maybe it will come live.

BINGO!

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/5593388.htm
http://www.iraqwar.info/print.php?sid=631
http://www.socialistappeal.org/usa/between_iraq_and_a_hard_place.html

It was also on CNN somewhere, but CNN doesn't have it anymore.

:rofl: :rofl: just look at the links that this crap is coming from.

Yahoo has a story about how a number of US armored units, heavy with tanks and artillery, but short on rifles, have started to use captured Iraqi AK-47s. Now that US forces have switched to a more guerilla-style battle, US soldiers are all clamoring for rifles and there just aren't that many to go around.

[JuSTCHiLLiN]

Some like it better, the whole spray and pray deal. However, we have people in the line of fire without fucking guns! All some tank crews have are like one M4 and an M9 (Beretta 92F) pistol.

I find it funny that, while it sounds like the tank crews are in trouble with small arms, they still have a fucking tank to drive around in.

VANGAURD/PROWLER/MAGRIDER > AMP/REPEATER/BEAMER

[Acaila]

planetside != real life

Buy ya, a tank is better than no tank. Plus they could definately pick up chicks in it, probably 2 or 3 a peice.

[Firefly]

US soldiers are all clamoring for rifles and there just aren't that many to go around.
Uh... what this means is that they are clamoring for the AK47 rifles and there aren't that many [of the AK47 rifles] to go around.

[Setari]

This really doesn't have much to do with the topic. The Mre's soldiers eat are actually kinda good.

On topic, Some people REALLY know their stuff. I...actually learned something. That's cool.

[Firefly]

I have made it a personal matter of pride to learn as much as I can about the job I do. I have done so for over nine years of military service and the formative years of my youth before that.

Many soldiers who serve with me do not know what an Abrams is, or why it's different from a Bradley. They don't understand the practical application of either vehicle. They could not identify a -113 from a -577. They know what an M16 is and they know what a Humvee is, that's about it. When I go to the field, or to war, I like to know what my allies are using so I don't shoot it. I like to know what my enemies are using, so I can kill it or steal it and use it. This world I live in would be so much better if people who worked/lived it would take a little freaking time to learn about these things.

I have spent many years reading all I can find about weapons, ground vehicles, aircraft, combat support vehicles, and other assorted military knowledge topics, including branching out into non-standard military hardware that might be used by special operations, paramilitary organizations, mercenaries, law enforcement, or gun freaks. I have served as a military consultant for many writers, and if there is information that I don't know, I know where to find it. Feel free to ask me any other questions.

PS: MREs suck if you don't prepare them right- all the things they give you, like salt and pepper and tobasco sauce- dump them in there and heat it up. Yum.

[Zodiac]

Uh... what this means is that they are clamoring for the AK47 rifles and there aren't that many [of the AK47 rifles] to go around.

edit: nvm I see what you mean. :p

[arctik]

"Cooper also reported that tank and Bradley crews have started using captured enemy AK-47 rifles as crew protection weapons in close range fights in the reduced visibility of sandstorms. The crews are armed with 9 mm pistols, but the AK-47s work a lot better."

Is that the statement that gives you the impression that we dont have enough rifles? I looked through the bayarea.com article and it didnt say anything about running short unless I missed something. Mostly it said how some weapons were working very fine and other had some problems. Anyway correct me if I'm wrong but the articles say nothing about rifle shortage, only that Tank and Bradly crews prefer AK's over a pistol.

[Squeeky]

I am gonna fly to Iraq with a Daisy Deluxe BB Gun. FUCKING KILL TEH TOWELHEADS


POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW

[Zodiac]

"Cooper also reported that tank and Bradley crews have started using captured enemy AK-47 rifles as crew protection weapons in close range fights in the reduced visibility of sandstorms. The crews are armed with 9 mm pistols, but the AK-47s work a lot better."

Is that the statement that gives you the impression that we dont have enough rifles? I looked through the bayarea.com article and it didnt say anything about running short unless I missed something. Mostly it said how some weapons were working very fine and other had some problems. Anyway correct me if I'm wrong but the articles say nothing about rifle shortage, only that Tank and Bradly crews prefer AK's over a pistol.

You're right, its only the other two "news" sites ( :rolleyes: ) that are trying to pass that bullshit off as a legit story.

Beats me how this thread even made it past page one. *shrugs*

[EineBeBoP]

I am gonna fly to Iraq with a Daisy Deluxe BB Gun. FUCKING KILL TEH TOWELHEADS


POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW POW ...etc.

holy shit you sound like my friend.

....not sure if thats a good or bad thing.

[SecondRaven]

Hey squeeky join me when i go join the army in a few years...101st Airborne Rangers all the way....

[arctik]

Ill come too as long as I get the biggest gun.

[Sputty]

Hey squeeky join me when i go join the army in a few years...101st Airborne Rangers all the way....
I'm joining the 666th random murderers in the name of Satan

[Ait'al]

Not even getting into this. The liberals took over this thread.


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Actually, the cut was because we didn't need it. The cold war's over
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ROFLMAO! What a fuking moron.

The cut was because of the End of the cold War. The mindset was back then that we werent giong to need our forces for a long time so they happily cut it. And that was because fo the end of hte cold war. Everyone just thinks differently now because off all the stuff about iraq and nukes and the UN inspedtors etc for the last 8 years and the millenium crap etc.

That was just everyones mindset at the time. its not really a liberal thing.

[Cryptica]

I jus' wanna say that I think it's a shame that our army doesn't have the equipment it needs (if the articles are true?) I really have great respect for everyone who risks their life daily to defend our country and defend total strangers as well! Regardless of whether those articles are true, I just wanna give a hurah to everyone who is currently in or has ever served in our countries armed forces!!

HURAH!!

[SecondRaven]

Just give me a m14 with a m20 and ill conicder that my homeland defence...:)

[NoSurrender]

... I don't want to start a agrument so ill shut up.