Exploits in PlanetSide

[cHaM]

[Edited by Admin. Not everyone needs to cheat]

[krayons]

I agree they need to fix cheats not ignore it and have half the population using cheats and expoilts

[Hamma]

I'm going to remove this post because everyone doesent need to know about these exploits, however I will fire off some emails. If these were deleted Im sure it was for good reason, they dont need everyone and their mom using these exploits, same reason I removed them.

[Hamma]

Just sent some emails, I'm sure they will look into them if they have not already.

[cHaM]

Thanks for the support. I don't want people cheating either, I just want them fixed. I figured if everyone knew about them than they'd have to step up the pace to fix them.

-cHaM
el33t

[Phaden]

Yeh, some of them i kinda had noticed, the first ones being, but not amything substantial. But who knows, better off without them.

[DramaticFanatic]

What type of exploits were they? EXP exploits? Killing exploits?

[Veteran]

I don't know if SOE knows this or not, but exploiters are really hurting their game. Hang a few exploiters (and their accounts) out to dry and let the honest players get some small sense that there's a sheriff somewhere in town.

[DoomWarrior]

Has anyone seen the auto tank re-load one? i have had a vaneguard blow my reaver out of the sky firing shot after shot with almost no space in between each one fired

[Marsman]

Folks, if you have discovered an exploit, please do not post the specific method of achieving the exploit. Tell us about it yes, but not exactly how to do it. Please put the specifics in a PM to one of the admins and we'll be sure to forward it to SOE. As Hamma said, it doesn't help to inform the community how to achieve an exploit - it is helpful to inform the community that it exists and what it looks like so we all can be on the lookout for it. Let's spread education and information about these but not encourage their practice. :)

[infinite loop]

I don't know if SOE knows this or not, but exploiters are really hurting their game. Hang a few exploiters (and their accounts) out to dry and let the honest players get some small sense that there's a sheriff somewhere in town.

Wrong. That's exactly the wrong thing to do. The problem is alot of people are using these, like me, and don't even know or consider them to be exploits. The most trivial one listed is something that has worked in every fps game that I can remember playing. I've thought this is simply how the weapons work, and have never thought of it as an exploit. So if it truly is, it's news to me, and will be to ALOT of players. Banning them would be a surefire way to kill the population in a hurry. Don't get me wrong, mostly these things need to get fixed, but banning the people using them would pretty much kill PS.

[flypengy]

I have to disagree with the one about the MA rof increase... doing what he described causes a severe COF increase.

[Veteran]

If you're exploiting, you know it. Don't give me any crap that it's a 'harmless' exploit. The exploiters club consists of people who consider themself too elite to play by the rules, and the exact right thing to do is throw a torch in and burn it down. You're wrong if you think most players exploit. You don't think aimbot users should be banned? That's really weird.

[RagingSpeedhorn]

These are exploits that anyone can use, you dont have to employ cheatware, or modify PS in anyway.

So, how can they be cheats when all you have to to is be fast with your fingers, if you've played fsp or GTA III and VC you should have worked them out anyway.

I didn't here anyone shouting 'Nerf the poplock exploit', did you?

[Acaila]

Find a working aimbot for PS, I don't believe such an animal exists. After years of UT and Q3 I have become pretty adept at spotting them, and never can I recall coming across a player who seemed to be a botter.

[infinite loop]

If you're exploiting, you know it. Don't give me any crap that it's a 'harmless' exploit. The exploiters club consists of people who consider themself too elite to play by the rules, and the exact right thing to do is throw a torch in and burn it down. You're wrong if you think most players exploit. You don't think aimbot users should be banned? That's really weird.

No you misunderstand what I'm saying. I definitely think aimbot users should be banned, as well as any other cheater. What I'm saying is that I don't agree that one of cham's listed exploits is really an exploit. I think it's working the way it's supposed to. Single-click firing your weapon SHOULD give you better accuracy and control, and that's what it does with the MA weapons in PS. I've done this with every fps I've ever played, and don't understand why it would be considered an exploit. I'm saying that if they ban everyone who uses this particular method, that they'll be banning a large percent of the population, which would be bad.

That said, I don't think it's right to ban someone for using something that the game allows. Using a third-party piece of software or doing something to otherwise manipulate the game is cheating, and should be punished. I just don't personally see anything wrong with "exploiting" something that the game allows for. If it's such a problem, then it should be fixed, but not by punishing the people who do it.

[Hamma]

I got word back that they knew about some of the issues but not others. They have been passed on to the folks who are in charge of these things and are being looked at. And like mars said just toss a PM or Email to one of us and we will tip off SOE. I have told them about numerous expoits and I will continue to do so.

SOE cant watch every forum unfortunatly. So we do everything we can to help out with issues like this.

[Heckler01]

I just don't personally see anything wrong with "exploiting" something that the game allows for. If it's such a problem, then it should be fixed, but not by punishing the people who do it.

Thats an Interesting way of thinking, Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok. Give me a break, I would hate to think the only way I can be good is to exploit lag or the game in some way.

[Veteran]

Infinite Loop,

Yes, a simple misunderstanding. What you're describing sounds pretty innocuous. When I talk about 'the exploiters club', I'm talking about rooms full of guys who have to impress each other by twisting the game and generally draining as much life out of the it for those who aren't jaded and faded. Aimbots and the like are the tools they use to stroke their egos while forgetting just how simple and unchallenging those programs are, and how degrading they are to the user.

No matter how much it becomes clear that major exploiters are intimidating, discouraging and otherwise cheapening the experience of honest players, I never hear about account termination, and I wonder if the few measly dollars of subscription fees that would be lost is the real obstacle. I hope it becomes clear that dirty money won't help build a truly great multiplayer experience.

I hope PlanetSide is remembered for what it did right and not who it kowtowed to, because MMOs that are known for prostituting themselves for the subscription fee are pretty common.

[Dharkbayne]

Exploiters suck. Single click firing is not an exploit, if you fired an ak47 by holding the trigger down, you would get alot more recoil, and less accuracy than if you fired 1 shot at a time, why do you think M16's aren't automatic?

[Queensidecastle]

I am sure to be in the minority here but I love it when exploits get posted. It always makes me smile because 9 times out of 10 Sony already knows about it and hasnt fixed it yet, or is ignoring it. At the end of the day I just want it fixed and whenever these things get posted, there is a fury and all the important people get involved to do damage control with the solution being that the problem is fixed. This is much more preferable than individuals exploiting for months down the road. It is basically getting things that damage the game bumped up the proirity list where they should be in the first place.

This reminds me of that guy cought in FRAPS speed hacking running behind a tank blowing it up with a jackhammer. Sometimes the community needs to set what the priorities are

[infinite loop]

Thats an Interesting way of thinking, Just because you can do something doesn't make it ok. Give me a break, I would hate to think the only way I can be good is to exploit lag or the game in some way.

I guess exploits have bounds, at least on the ones I would use. There's a border between flat-out cheating, and bending the rules to gain a slight advantage. This is a common theme in life in general, so it's nothing new. Some are obviously cheap, and others, as I stated, aren't considered exploits by some. If I don't think it's cheap to do, whether it is intended by the game or not, I'll use it. Take the corpse bug from way back when, for example. That was the most frustrating exploit I've ever come up against, and I hated people that did it. I never once used that crap. But the things I have used that some consider exploits, either I don't think are, or I don't think are more than a trivial benefit to me. I've sometimes used the reload exploit, but since I'm not a sniper, it doesn't really do much for me. That's the worst thing I've done, I'm not talking about exploting lag or speedhacking or anything like that. I don't cheat, never have, never will.

[cHaM]

For those that are still interested, my account was banned for 7 days for posting my topic on the PlanetSide Discussion, but as you can see from these links:

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I'm still fighting very hard to have the exploits I listed removed.

If you're tired of the cheating, and sick of SOE not hearing their playerbase out, support this thread on the PlanetSide discussion. Send a message to SOE that they MUST hear out their customers when bugs and exploits are found, and they MUST hear us out when we want changes.
http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/planetside/Forum8/HTML/026790.html

[Spee]

Today, I was running along and shooting, and I locked up for about half a second. Where there was once 40 cycler rounds, there was none. It wasnt used against anybody, but man, that floor did get bitch-owned.


Hooray for lag shattering the refire rate ceiling! :rolleyes:

[Jagd]

You'd have to be pretty stupid to call tap-firing an exploit. That is the basis of the COF system. Duh.

[cHaM]

E-Mail I just sent to SOE (yes I'm well aware it's about to get edited by the admin at this board, that's ok, I understand his interests and I have no issues with them):

You may have banned my account for posting the information I did, but you cannot kill the message.

[Links Removed by Admin]

Support from IRON an NC outfit on Johari (please note my character was TR)

Hello cHaM

You received the following message from: Turgenev ([email protected])



*whew* This is damned interesting. I've seen some of these on the field (notably the Surge one and the MA firing rate). I wonder what would happen if the outfit members all /appealed with this same information.

cHaM, I know what you were trying to do in the feedback forum and with /appeals. It's frankly disgraceful to see their response in that fashion. I'm moving your thread internally to take it off the public forum (frankly so no one outside can call IRON's site an exploit bar...). I'll make sure it's disseminated appropriately for us to be aware of on the field, and see what can be done with group /appeals on the same topic. One person appealing is a drop in a bucket. Dozens appealing the same issue is a hurricane.

cHaM, I'm sorry to see you leave the PS arena, but in subscription games, everyone's got their times-up date. Have fun wherever you go, and if you decide to harrass IRON in a given game, make sure you identify yourself so we can say "heya" before murdering you. ;)

Peace.

Turgenev, the IRON Brigade

There are many more. Several people including myself are spreading this message to every PlanetSide website they can find. You can delete my post, edit it out and even ban my account, but I�m going to do everything in my power to make PlanetSide a better game (something YOU should be doing, not me) by having these exploits removed from the game.

You can expect your CSR�s to be flooded with appeals in game and bug reports to have these issues fixed, as well as the mass populace of the players using these exploits since they all know about them now. Please understand that my actions aren�t out of hate or spite for SOE or PlanetSide, I�m merely tired of your company treating it�s playerbase like crap and not listening to us when we want changes.

If at all possible, forward this E-mail to Sporkfire (as I could not find his E-Mail address anywhere) and anyone else it pertains too.

Thanks,

-cHaM
el33t
[Link removed by Admin]

Tap firing any weapon is an exploit when it allows you to fire faster than normal, this is proven and it is exploitable and it needs to be fixed.

[Hamma]

Now I am starting to get pissed, we were patient with you for the first few times now it is getting rediculous. I have talked to some of the dev team and they know of these issues and they know they are widly known, they will fix them. However you must understand how much they have non their plate. Posting this everywhere will not get it fixed faster, it will just make it so EVERYONE IS CHEATING.

If you post these links again you will be banned.

[cHaM]

They've been "widly known" since beta. The issue isn't them not knowing, the issue is them not doing anything about it. Please understand that I was merely copying and pasting the E-mail I just fired off to SOE, and I have no issues with you editing your posts, but I will continue to post them (obviously not on your website) and let people know about them so that SOE will wake up and understand that when players want issues in the game fixed, they need to be addressed as quickly as possible, not 6 months from now.

You're assuming I'm alone in this, but if you were to actually read those links you removed, you'd understand there are now literally hundreds of people that support me and this move that I'm making.

[Hamma]

Its easy to say that when you arent on the dev team. You have no idea what happens within SOE. They will fix it as they always fix exploits. Just understand I HAVE talked to them and I KNOW they will look into fixes.

[cHaM]

Hamma, I E-mailed the information I've been posting MONTHS ago shortly after the game went live and the changes have still not been fixed. Once again, the issue isn't them not knowing about them, I know they know about them because I've told them personally. The issue is them not doing anything about it. Letting these exploits stay in the game several months now after retail is not acceptable.

I know people are tired of the buggy patches and the sloppy code, so this is my little way of telling SOE that we're no longer going to take it.

Edit: Hamma you can ban me from your board if you want, but you're only facilitating SOE's lacking attitude towards their game, besides there are literally 100's of other messageboards I could (and have) go to in order to get my message across.

I understand why you removed the links, I have no issues with that, but comming down on what is supposed to be an open community board is not the way to handle this issue.

Next time if I choose to make another post about my task, I'll be sure to remove the links myself in order to save you the trouble.

[Jagd]

Quick tip Hamma, the link to his outfit's website contains all of the exploits on the front page if you scroll down a little. Might want to kill those as well if you're going to be a stick-in-the-mud about dissemination. :p

[cHaM]

I edited it for him, he doesn't need to babysit my posts, thats not what I'm here for.

[Jagd]

I was being sarcastic. Those exploits work in pretty much every FPS ever released, and are hardly enough to unbalance gameplay let alone be called cheats. Show me a wallhack or an aimbot and I'll start worrying, but if you can't kill me with your first Cycler clip then I've got nothing to fear from you anyways.

EDIT: Just reread the exploits, and actually the reaver/van/lightning reload could be pretty formidable. The other ones are still pretty benign though.

[cHaM]

A reaver that can spam rockets with no reload time isn't unbalancing? Or a Vanguard that can continously shell with its main gun doesn't grossly affect gameplay or balance? Or being able to run at NEAR surge speed with no penalty doesn't hinder gameplay?

I know players that sit on the Leaderboard across all servers that have used these exploits to gain the unfair advantages they provide. I'm sick of it and they need to be fixed. They may not seem like that big of a deal until you consider a couple of milliseconds difference is a big deal when talking about weapon balance (remember how the increase to the RoF to the MCG makes it godly now? It was a small increase (5ms between each bullet if I remember correctly). These ARE a big deal and they need to be addressed.

These small differences between the players that know about these exploits and those that don't provide a major advantage. The only thing I ever want and still want is for these issues to be fixed. Had SOE acknowledged to me on Test that a fix was in the works, and didn't ignore me, or worse yet, treat me like some newbie and attempt to get me to ALT-F4 (I have chat logs and screenshots of the conversations I had with the QA team during the other night's playtest) I wouldn't of made a big deal about it.

It's SOE's QA department's gross negligence towards bugs in the game that are easily identifiable if these asshats actually TESTED the game instead of using the playtests as a platform to use their "super powers" to kill paying customers all the while ignoring the constant stream of bug and exploit reports comming from myself and everyone at the playtest (please note I've participated in every playtest ever held except the first one.)

Simple bugs like the graphical glitch when on a zipline are getting through the QA department and it's due to one of the two reasons. 1.) QA is testing properly and reporting these bugs as they should, and SOE is releasing the patches anyways. OR 2.) QA isn't properly testing the game (this is evident at all the playtests I've been too) and not reporting bugs as they should. This in turn results in shitty performance on computers, stupid bugs that should of been fixed before the patch went live and exploits that are allowing players that know about them to run around with an advantage over those that do not pocess the knowledge.

The only thing I want SOE to do is make the game better. I'm not asking players to exploit the game or to willfully cheat. I desperatly want PlanetSide to improve so that others can enjoy it, and if they change things for the good, I may decide to start paying them again to entertain me. Right now as it stands, I'm not being entertained hence my reasoning for canceling my account and recently being banned for trying to change things for the better.

I will not continue to pay SOE $13 some-odd dollars a month to test their game for them. I'll be more than happy to QA their game free of charge and report all the bugs and exploits I find (as I've done in the past) IF THEY WERE TO ACTUALLY FIX THE BUGS ONCE REPORTED. There is absolutly no reason for these explots and bugs to STILL be in the game if their QA and testing department was functioning correctly. I E-Mailed and /bug reported these same exact issues on a consistant basis (sometimes mulitple times a day, and please note I used to play PlanetSide almost every day on a regular basis) FOR MONTHS, and they're still in the game being exploited.

Now, reading all that you can understand my disguest with the way the game is being handled and why I'm outraged at SOE's actions.

[kidriot]

these have been widely known for awhile. or atleast I thought they had.

there are also a couple others that I'll refrain from mentioning ;)

[Hamma]

Say waht you want, you already cancelled the game lets not make it a shittier enviroment for those of us still playing. Leave the game and make us all happy. Posting the cheats on every known web board on the internet DOES NOT HELP THE PROBLEM.

If you even understood the magnatude of what this dev team has to deal with you would realise why things like this take time to find and fix.

[Duffman]

Hamma i have to disagree with you here... your right he shouldnt be posting how to do the exploits but he is not trying to ruin the game he is only trying to make it better. Arent you sick of our whole squad getting owned by one guy...

I have personally never used these exploits or knew about them, i knew there were weird things going on and this could be the reason. The wider the knowledge the faster it gets fixed. Hopefully

People should not crave on the importance of the messenger - in this case, cHaM. He is not here to seek attention but to bring out the truth.
I don't care the person who posted the information is CR5 or a BR1 stumbled onto the exploits. I am not a fan of cHaM, and I especially don't like him / people in his outfit for some of their biased views, but he posted many cheaters's "secret." Those schemes were known as Planetside myths until he posted it, and I am grateful for his action.

For those that flames cHaM should take a look at the seriousness of the issues he brought into the open, instead of questioning his motive. He would have gotten all the attention he wants by just posting on the Johari board, and he posted here for the good of the PS community.

[Duffman]

This guy claims there are aimbots and speedhacks - notice he said team god used them hmmmmmm... not surprising

Well, personally, I think tnto having the 1 stamina decriment per use to stop the surging is a no-brainer and its horrifically sad it hasn't been put into place. The aforementioned bugs are annoying, granted, (and if you dont think so, well .. wtfe dude) but definately top of the priority list of fubar's to the game's balance are:
1- SpeedhackerXP still works with planetside w/out insta-banning you (I know how its done, but im not gonna go thru the bother of pissing off SOE telling you -- Too bad *******.net removed their lengthy forum topic explaining how to use it and laffing at how it owned everyone :-/ owell -- speeding u up makes you go FAST -- slowing you to hell auto-lags you and lets you pick people off unfairly

2- Theres a auto-fire bot out there that only allows you to fire when you'll hit (keep fire button down n just movvvve around like mad n u only fire hits)

3- Theresa wacky zoning bug that launches players around for quick bursts of speed (making it crazy to try and hit them


These bugs allow High BR people to fly around at super-surge speed with their fire button depressed always. They're like shooting mosquitoes, but they rack kills up BAD. They can get into-and out of -- fights with relative ease to repair/heal. The Reload bug simply makes this problem worse (they also fire stupidly fast)

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Check your local leaderboard and memorize the names on the other teams. When you see these players --> just look for odd things: IE-

1- Dying in an instant even with high FPS (ROF for his gun seems too fast)

2- He's 50 yards in front of you then POOF he's behind you nailing you

3- He's in Rexo w surge (obviously) but he's surging ALWAYS (and even moving Faster than surge)

4- None of his shots seem to miss.

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Unfortunately, there ARE non-cheating ways that most of these things can occur --> but those of us who have high-end systems with excellent connections to the game know better. We can tell when things are lagging/ the other player has a bad connect, and when they're just flat using an advantage.

--> You'll notice I didn't name any names (well, mostly) --> and thats because I dont have video of this smack occuring. However, for players to think this crap doesnt go on is intensely immature and naieve behavior.

[Phaden]

not to be ass, but since i read cham's rig unedidted post, the top part of last post should be edited for content. I know at least Hamma knows what im talkin about.

[Jagd]

Well it sounds to me like ChAm got banned for launching a major smear campaign against SOE more than anything cheat-like.

[cHaM]

No, I was banned for violating Rule 12 of the EULA, which I'll quote for you in the e-mail Sony sent to me notifying me that my account had been suspended for 7 days:

Rule #12 states:
You will not exploit any bug in PlanetSide and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (including bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits in game), either directly or through public posting, to any other user of PlanetSide. You will promptly report any such bug via the in-game "bug" reporting function.

The problem with this rule is that it assumes I havn't been /bug'ing these exploits in-game for months now, which I have. Had they actually fixed these bugs and exploits in a timely fashion (6 months is not timely), I would not have canceled my account, nor made my post.

SOE is angry at me because I let the cat out of the bag and let the entire community know about the exploits they refused to fix. I can literally log onto any server, watch people play, and point out the people using these exploits because it's so visually obvious once you look for the key signature moves.

The reason I canceled my account and the reason I made my original post are the same. 1.) I'm tired of the exploiting by alot of players, and 2.) Tired of SOE not fixing these issues, so I canceled my account and made my post.

Do I care that my account was banned? No, I no longer wish to play the game. I merely want everyone to be aware of these cheats and exploits in PlanetSide and SOE's lacking attitude towards them. The players and customers must hold SOE responsible for the service and product YOU are paying for.

You say the dev's have alot to deal with, yet these exploits are incrediably simple to fix from a programming standpoint. Had this entire thing occured over a few weeks, I would not be as angry, but you must realize these exploits have been in the game since beta and retail. When you operate any type of MMO (massivly-multiplayer online) game cheating and exploits should be (and are for some other companies) PRIORITY 1.

Why more aren't outraged that every patch that comes out contains more bugs because SOE's testing department doesn't actually "TEST" the game properly (They play it, they don't test it, there's a huge differance as any paid game tester for ANY game company will tell you. Playing is fun, testing is not), and that these exploits have been in the game since it was practically coded is beyond me.

I've basically handed you all the keys to making SOE provide a better product, so I suggest that you take advantage of what I have done and press for SOE to fix these issues and to pay attention to it's customers when they want something fixed or changed.

I've given SOE all the information they could ever need to fix these exploits in several bug reports, /appeals, conversations to QA reps (if you'd call them that) during playtests, E-Mails sent to SOE. I even offered to demo and answer any questions anyone from SOE had about these exploits, even walk them through reproducing each and everyone step-by-step so that they could be fixed. My response from SOE you might ask? There's a playtest today a 5pm, a QA rep will meet with you and discuss these exploits. What happen at the Playtest? I sent tells to all three of the QA reps for EACH empire telling them I had a list of bugs and exploits that need to be looked at and that I'd be happy to provide any information they needed. Their response? Not a single one.

I finally managed to get into a squad with a couple of QA reps, when I started telling people how to do the exploits over platoon chat, a QA Rep chimed in "There's a known cheat where if you press ALT-F4 you'll automatically capture the base" as if he expected me to think "Ok! I'll try that!". This is a paid employee that gets his paycheck from OUR monthly fee's, least bit interested in the exploits that adversly affect PlanetSide. Even another member of the squad tried to report some bugs to the QA reps and was ignored by all of them (there were 3 of them in the platoon with us). One member even brought up the fact that the down angle on the flail on the current test build was not actually there as stated in the test server's patch notes. None of this was acknowledged by anyone in the QA team, they were too busy running around killing players to even bother reading what the playerbase was reporting.

Are you starting to see a disturbing pattern? QA team holds a playtest, yet instead of testing and recieving feedback they're playing the game as if they aren't working but enjoying the game at their house with their own leisure time. I don't know about you, but when I pay someone for a service, they better fucking provide that service or I'm going to be pissed off.

Now you may say "well it's difficult to reply to all those tells", which is utter bullshit. I've led entire zerg forces with hundreds of tells streaming in all the time, and I've still managed to answer all their tells, relay the information to the rest of the force and still kill VS and NC in the process, and I'm not even PAID too.

I don't want to smear SOE or PlanetSide, I just want the exploits and cheats to stop. I told SOE in an E-Mail (several that they have yet to reply too) that what I'm doing isn't out of hate or spite for their company or game, but it's because they need to take responsibility and provide the customers with the service they pay for, and that they can't get away with shoddy patches or a half-assed exscuse of an exspansion and expect people to fork over their hard-earned money and feel cheated for it.

[Veteran]

Exploiters who use high-level cheats like aimbots cannot, by their own self-imposed definition of elitism, remain in the same game for long. There's always a new game to impose one's mediocre programming skills on, to fixate upon the obvious flaws of, and to 'prove' one's 'superiority' at.

Basically, adopt the 'video poker' attitude and treat each spawn like a gamble. If someone's stacking the deck, find a new table. Nobody deserves to do well at this game, and those who think they do and try to make it happen by means other than practice and teamwork usually wind up losing everything by becoming exploiters.

If financial institutions and major corporations can be brought to their knees by exploitation, what makes you think a humble video game will be clear of it? Collusion is almost instinctual in humans. It's still completely possible to have a fun play session. Idealism isn't going to force the devs' hands. They have enough work as it is. Remember, those guys work a full-time job making this game the best online combat game on the market. I doubt they appreciate someone trying to ram the well-known fact of exploitation down their throats while they're busy reading through a stack of code or proofreading the new guy's scripts or a myriad of other dull tasks that fill their day while they'd rather be ocean fishing, strip-club hopping or even, rare though it may be, playing some PlanetSide with their friends.

It's a noble effort to increase awareness about exploitation, but only to a point. After that, people will start hitting you with the age old quote... "A cynic is one who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing". Don't be the guy who doesn't know PlanetSide's value, because it is considerable.

[Madcow]

I'm not sure about cHaM's methods, although I'm not sure what else he could have done. I can tell you from playing TR on Johari that cHaM is one of the good guys, though, and one of probably 2 CR5's worth anything. He does seem right about what captures SOE's attention as well. Remember the kudos we were handing out when they got the Speedhack out of the game so quickly? Why did they? It had gone mainstream, and it was impossible to play the game without seeing it. It got to the point that all of the players knew about it, and it was egg on their face if they didn't fix it. So fix it they did, in record time.
The rest of these items have been in use, but not in widespread use. SOE is comfortable ignoring these things because the majority of the player base doesn't know about them, and cHaM is doing the only thing he can see to try and change that. If the majority of the player base is informed of these cheats, SOE will address them. Sad as it sounds, that seems to be the truth.

[infinite loop]

Can someone else who's tried the surge trick tell me if it actually works? Because I tried this along time ago when I first heard about it, and it doesn't work for me. I just get small speed bursts, then regular speed, then speed burst, etc. I guess it drains less stamina, but I certainly wasn't running as fast as if I was using surge normally. I guess I just suck at exploiting ;)

Oh and, I want to reiterate that I don't think it's fair to call people that use the tap-fire method with MA exploiters. I've always done this to gain accuracy, and it's not my fault if it makes the gun fire faster than it should. It's part of my play style, and I'm not going to change because people think it's exploiting. Not my problem.

[Queensidecastle]

The exploit isnt tapping it. It is making a macro that "taps" it.

After playing MMOs for 5 or so years, experience has taught me that whistleblowers are just necessary to get things done sometimes. The companies like to sweep stuff under the rug and they want it to stay there. That is why it is against the EULA for you to take stuff out from under thier rug. Sometimes that is just not acceptable so the community must instruct the company on how to conduct itself. I have seen it happen in EQ many times and each time it has been a benifit to the players.

lots of dupe bugs would not be fixed untill exposed. Lots of mob pathing exploits were not fixed untill exposed. Just one of many examples: There was a Necromancer exploit where they would find a static spawn, kill it, then FeignDeath and park the pet at that spot. The pet would have sufficient power to kill the mob on its own and the person gould go AFK for a whole day and come back to large ammounts of XP gain. This was in the game for months before someone posted how to do it. 2 days later it was fixed

[Hamma]

In the immortal words of Sporkfire, posting teh exploits and cheats makes you a part of the problem. Not a hero. Cheats will not be posted on PSU for public consumption. Thats just the way it is

[kidriot]

I don't consider these cheats or exploits. do I need them? no.

I consider them part of the game called Planetside. just like I also consider shit-ass client-side detection part of Planetside. warping is a part of Planetside and will be for who knows how long. do I know how to use warping to my advantage? yes. and I use it everytime I play.

there's a thin line between cheat/exploit and these things that are just part of the game Planetside. maybe one day they'll be "fixed." so what.

I don't play the game for kill count. I play for my outfit and for the challenge. however, I will use continue to use what Planetside has given me. the ability to do things that elevate my game to new heights when I decide to push myself.

Planetside is watered down FPS. what it does force a great player to do, is adapt and comprehend situations that will give him the best possible position to do something.

ultimately it's game wisdom that makes a good player great. after that, it's consistency of greatness that makes a great player leet.

[cHaM]

SOE has yet to reply to a single e-mail I've sent them. I fully believe they're avoiding me now because I'm forcing them to fix the issues that are plaguing this game. Posting those exploits to the public was necessary despite what anyone else says because they were being abused and SOE was not fixing them. By making them public and everyone knowing about them, they'll be forced to fix them since they're mainstream now. They'll be pushed to the top of the "Things to fix" list for the dev team, which is what I wanted. I found exploits and loops in their code that people were exploiting, tried to go through the normal channels of communication to let SOE know about them, and they did nothing. So I took a stand, canceled my account and made the knowledge public (if anyone is still looking for the information, they can be found in cleverly hidden replies throughout the PlanetSide message board, I posted the exploits 20+ times and only a handful of them got deleted, this just goes to show you the incomphetance of SOE's employee's that they cannot use a simple messageboard admin feature that allows you to search for posts made by a user).

I knew I was going to get banned for what I did, that was the point. Sometimes rules need to be broken to get the message across, I didn't hack the game or cause grief to anyone by posting my message. I merely called SOE on it's lack of attention it was giving to important issues in the game.

It truely saddens me that instead of working with its customers (what I originally wanted) SOE has to work against them by banning them for trying to have these exploits fixed. I've stated in an E-Mail, several appeals and bug reports in game that if SOE's QA team needs any help at all reproducing these exploits, I'll be more than happy to log in any time day or night on any faction / server they want (even delete several of my br 20 characters to meet their needs) and walk them through each exploit step-by-step in order to help reproduce them reliably. The offer still stands provided the unbanning of my account for the time period it takes to help them.

[Hamma]

Just because they dont reply doesent mean they dont read them.

[cHaM]

That's what I thought too, until my list of exploits that I've e-mailed to SOE several times the last few months went unfixed. So yes it's evident that unless they reply, I have no way of verifying that they actually read it.

Had they replied and said "thanks for the list, we'll look into these" I would of been happy. But I didn't get a reply, not even a tell in-game from a CSR when I asked for one. The only thing I got was a message via the /appeal in-game that a QA rep would talk to me during the playtest (which I attended) today at 5pm. I was at the playtest, I sent tells to every QA rep that I could find and didn't get a single reply back from any of them. The only thing I saw them ask for was a squad invite and one tried to get me to ALT-F4 out of the game like I was some newb who didn't know what I was doing, which rather insulted me (3 BR 20's, one for every faction, and a CR 5, been playing since exsclusive beta), I'm paying these people for their time to report bugs and exploits, which they're not allowing me to do. So I took action and broke their rules to get my point across.

[Hamma]

Why are you so upset now if you have already cancelled :lol:

[cHaM]

Because this isn't about me, this is about you and the thousands of subscribers to SOE's PlanetSide. I could of very easily kept those exploits secret and not informed anyone and exploited them myself to gain the advantages they offer. But you see I'm not that type of person. I canceled my subscription because of the very exploits I'm trying to get rid of and SOE's lax attitude towards them.

[Veteran]

Using warping to your benefit may or may not be exploitation, but it's not good form or an example of an honorable playstyle. Removal of Surge, the primary offender in this matter, seems long overdue at this point.

Client-side hit-detection may be easy to criticize, but server-side hit-detection is quite a ways off with current technology. Just because a system is limited is no invitation to exploit or pervert it.

[infinite loop]

What started off as a post I found to be not such a big deal, has turned into a whine-laiden campaign by cham, that I find no better than any of the "N3RF tEh JH" threads. I have to agree with kidRiot here, none of the things listed are that big of a deal. If they were, then they would have been fixed by now. You can't convince me that any one of those "exploits" gives someone an extreme advantage over anyone else. They may be bugs, but it's not even close to the same level as someone using an aimbot or speedhack. Just fucking give up already. If you don't like it, quit. Just stop whining about it already. Unless you are a software developer yourself, and know what it takes to make and maintain a product, shut your piehole. It's not easy to make a good product, and manage the maintenance of it effectively, especially with such a large user base. Maybe SOE is flawed, but at least they're still trying.

[flypengy]

Sorry. After reading that Cham had is account banned and that he is still "fighting the good fight" for us smells like a lot of bs to me. Sorry cham... you're what we call an attention whore.

People talk of a bot that you just hold the mouse down and it will only shoot when it will hit? Bs... sorry... I've never heard an MCG fire and stop firing repeatedly as I move around, same with lasher, same with JH. That is BS.

All of those exploits Cham is so worked up about give sucha minute amount of an advantage (and none of them direct) that they are far from significant.

None of you have the skill to move around and repeatedly click your mouse while repeatedly clicking your surge on to kill someone. Sorry, you're just not skilled enough.

Cham seems like he has been owned one too many times and got pissed about it and posted the exploits thinking a reload trick was how he kept losing... after his ass got booted he's on a crusade against sony now...

They obviously read your post moron if they deleted it.

End of story.

[Ait'al]

what has happened to you people it used to be encouraged to use a games exploit so there easier to figure out how to fix them? It helps you hyper Debug hte game. It was so much better like that. Not ot mention all player are then thinking more about hta game design and playing likewise.

I swear for gamers your all a bunch of cowering pansies!? Theres a difference between people who use game cheats to abuse hte game and ones who use it to find the natural boundries of the game to makeit better(not refering to or supporting anyone in these posts just in general.) You only have to get rid of those people who dont know hte difference. And they stick out like a sore thumb!


That distinction was why there used to be so much more order in games and all communities in general!

[Ait'al]

That how much do we use game design to make a game playable or depend on player perception is th oldest part of game design and not allowing people to be a part of the design anymnore(those who can amke that distiction/arent being malicious. IE not discouraging the community to use it) is what is stoping the games of today not to be fixed.(have that balanced fixed). not to mention it doesnt leave anything for the players go grasp onto to to have any veiw of hte Creators intent for the game!(A real idea and an idea from a programming point of veiw!)

[Jagd]

I'm not sure how with SOE's track record you would give them the benefit of the doubt here. It is widely known that Everquest and SWGalaxies (and now, Planetside) have been filled with bugs and exploits and that SOE prefers to sweep them under the rug unless somebody makes a point of publically embarassing them about it.

[Happy lil Elf]

None of you have the skill to move around and repeatedly click your mouse while repeatedly clicking your surge on to kill someone. Sorry, you're just not skilled enough.Yeah, because that would take a lot of skill. Bind surge to thumb button. Click thumb and pointer finger. Yeah, that's tough all right. :rolleyes:

[Jagd]

How do you bind surge to the thumb button? I thought implants had to be F-keys.

[infinite loop]

How do you bind surge to the thumb button? I thought implants had to be F-keys.

Just go to your keymappings, under HUD I believe. There's a list of your hotkeys, which default to the F-keys. You can assign a secondary key to any mouse button. I've got 2 of my implants on the up and down of my scroll wheel actually. Makes it a lot easier to use. I hate F-keys.

[Queensidecastle]

I have surge on mouse wheel up and darklight on mouse wheel down. Nasty, nasty configuration indeed :D

[infinite loop]

I have surge on mouse wheel up and darklight on mouse wheel down. Nasty, nasty configuration indeed :D

Heh exactly my configuration too. Nice.

[BadAsh]

Heh exactly my configuration too. Nice.

That is exactly my config too :) Apparently great minds think alike... lol :) Mouse wheel implants are nice...

Also of note here... I use the intellimouse explorer 3.0 mouse and I was having trouble getting PS to recognize the thumb buttons. PS did not seem to want to accept the default "forward" and "back" inputs from the mouse. So I went into my mouse configuration and changed the #4 and #5 mouse buttons from default to a "keystroke" of F7 and F8. Keystroke can be any key on your keyboard.

BadAsh

[DraygoKorvan]

cHam they dont entirly ignore you.

Sometimes it just takes them a while to fix it.

A while ago I had discovered an exploit that allowed you to shoot through glass. Yes, not a very serious one, but if everyone knew about it, it would give the NC a serious advantage in techplants.

It worked with every gun, but you had to be in a certain position to do it. So it was pretty useless except for one weapon. The Pheonix. Only because you can aim it after you shoot. Basically I could sit inside the techplant in complete safty and pick off maxes and armored targets without revealing myself to danger in any way. I directly told, and showed a QA member this bug. They said they knew about it, but didnt think it was serious, except when I showed the problem with the pheonix. Three weeks later, I look in the patch notes and BOOM 'You will no longer be able to shoot through glass (bugfix)'.

The do listen, and they will fix it. But I believe the devs have a priority tree relating to what they are working on at the time. Just give them their time, dont tell anyone except the QA's and devs once in a while, and It will get fixed.

[321]

/bug!!!!!

[cHaM]

I win! http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/planetside/Forum16/HTML/000140.html

I'm removing all the lists of exploits of posted as per my promise to SOE that I'd bring them down once it was publicy stated that a fix was in the works.

Thanks much SOE for addressing this issue.

[Jagd]

/me gives a hero cookie to cHaM :thumbsup:

Thanks for your help getting this stuff cleaned up cham! Too bad you had to pay such an unfair price for it.

[cHaM]

Nah, my suspension ends tommorow. Hopefully if they don't ban me for good, I'll be back playing now that I lit a fire under their ass and got them fixing this stuff.

I think it was rather cute how Spork posted what was upcomming right before I would be able to post on the boards again. I think I scared them a little. :D

[kreeten]

WTG cHaM!!! I must say, with the number of posts you were putting out and the repetition.....I was leaning towards the SOE side of things, but you proved yourself....Thumbs up!