Black Man Fights Police, Dies From Injuries

[Squeeky]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104467,00.html

Do you think this was justified? From viewing the video, and evidence, I'm gonna say FUCK YES. When a sworn peace officer tells your fat ass to get on the ground, you do it.

You don't lunge at them, or else your dumbass is gonna get beat. Doesn't matter if your black, white, blue, or fucking rainbow colored.

People don't seem to realize what kind of danger your put in when a man hyped up on PCP and Cocaine weighing 400 pounds and obviouslly pissed out of his mind lunges at you. To the NAACP Cincinatti Chapter i kindly ask that they fuck off and remove virginia beach from there vaginas. </end rant>

[Corrosion]

FUCK YES

[AztecWarrior]

The reason he died is because he had drugs in his system at the time of his arrest.

[Rayder]

Gotta love dipshits (read the full article). btw, were those two cops twins?

[Bighoss]

if there a was a giant coked up Fat ass tackling me I'd beat the shit out of him with my riot stick, hell I'd beat anyone with a riot stick if they looked at me the wrong way.

[AztecWarrior]

They should have TASERed him, if possible.

[Squeeky]

No he died from an inflamed heart. Fatass probably never excercised.

[arctik]

I can understand he was still struggling but they overdid it with the nightsticks.

[Bighoss]

you can never over do the night sticks! I think I deserve the right to randomely smack people with a night stick for my pleasure!!!

[Rayder]

350-pound fat man on crack, and you say they overdid it? They didn't do enough imo.

[Onizuka]

I watched the video several times, and to me, the idea of race should not have been brought up. He was high at the time to my knowledge, which probably led him to make the good idea to resist the police.

Those repeated jabs by that one police officer, however, seemed rather unjustified given he was on the floor. Now, as it is stated, it is standard police procedure to tell the arrestee to put his/her hands behind his/her back. This would seem rather hard to do when your being beaten, although him resisting in the first place got him beaten.

I think the policemen are not guilty of anything, and where doing their job accordingly and how they felt proper. It was in the heat of the moment, and I'm almost positive they didn't know he would die soon after.

[Hamma]

If a police officer steps ona black man's shoe they will claim excessive force. This guy was a jackass. As far as I am concerned race is a non-issue anyway the same thing would have happened if this guy was white. no doubt

ANd dont forget we cant see what happens once the guy hits the ground.. is he on his stomach? Back? is he still resisting?

[Squeeky]

Not to mention who brought up race? The fucking black guy. "You damn white redneck". And they're playing the race card? Gimme a break :mad:

[Hamma]

:lol:

[arctik]

And they're playing the race card?

Who's they?

Also, I can understand he wasn't putting his hands behind his back but continuosly jabbing and smacking someone with a stick wouldn't really help, especially if he was using a stimulant.

[Warborn]

I can understand he was still struggling but they overdid it with the nightsticks.

Oh hell no. The guy was obviously high on something, and he was really big. Excessive would have been beating the shit out of him Rodney King style after he was already down for the count. Those cops showed remarkable self-control, and even the coroner's report indicates that the cops were striking the man in non-vital areas, and with such force that, although he had bruises, the force did not damage any vital organs.

Seriously, considering the stuff that gorilla was on, the cops are lucky to be relatively unscathed (though they did recieve injuries). Had he gotten a hold of one of them, we'd have been witness to some actual excessive force, I think. The cops are trying to protect themselves, after all, and although they don't want to kill the guy, when he attacks them, they have every right to put the guy down to prevent him from harming them. The cops should be commended for not even drawing their sidearms during the entire encounter, not villified because they chose to defend themselves.

[Everay]

personaly i hate all those fucking activists, i dont care if you rob a store or punch a cop or kill someone, once you break a law like those, i think the cops should be able to hit them with a night stick a few times, each one of those crimes always ruins someones day. but ooo, the white man cant touch the black man, but see a black man break into a store and a white man kill him, fucking activists gotta get all hyped up, personaly, if theyre gonna defend someone, they should at least defend someone innocent.


BTW, im not racist, i just hate when everyone calls the race card, its so much bull shit, the only people saying that the black americans are the underdogs of a oppresive sociaty are them themselves. and notice, im not gonna call them african americans, because, i dont care if your purple, if your a american your a american

[kreeten]

Seems to be a mutual feeling. You fuck with the law, you deserve to go down. I know most of you guys are prolly American, and at least your justice system doles out the justice> In Canada unfortunately criminals almost seem to have a free reign and way too many protections under law. While i dont agree with the death penalty, I wish we would adopt more stringent legal system as your own. And ya that fat ass deserved what he got. Think about it real clear, what do you think is gonna happen when you swing at a cop? drugs or not?

[Warborn]

News: Black man was beaten to death by cops, apparently.

Black Activists: How many innocent black people need to die before the MURDERING WHITE PIGS are revealed for the evil bastards they are?!

News: Also, the black guy was full of cocaine and PCP's, did not sustain any life-threatening wounds as a result of being struck in return by the police, had an enlarged heart which likely lead to a heart attack, oh, and attacked the cops in the first place.

Black Activists: oh shi

[Doppler]

Who's they?

Also, I can understand he wasn't putting his hands behind his back but continuosly jabbing and smacking someone with a stick wouldn't really help, especially if he was using a stimulant.

You my friend dont understand one of the cardinal rules. People respond to pain, this is the basic principle of a riot stick/night stick, if it comes to the issue where you have to use your riot stick you are now in the business of applying controlled amounts of pain. If you look closely they are striking very carefully to get non vital areas, both to hurt, and cause muscle fatigue, even the most hyped up trooper will eventualy respond to the muscle fatigued caused by blunt trauma.

[kreeten]

Though i agree with the police being hard enough to take the guy down, non vital areas like the kidneys? hehe.

[Warborn]

Though i agree with the police being hard enough to take the guy down, non vital areas like the kidneys? hehe.

You're not going to kill someone by hitting them in the kidneys. A bruised kidney, even, is not anything close to life threatening. Hurts like a bitch though, which is the whole point.

Seriously, the way the cops handled it is completely acceptable. Nothing unnecessary was done to the guy.

[WickedDeus]

Who's they?

NAACP, Race Warlords like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and Liberal Media.

Also, I can understand he wasn't putting his hands behind his back but continuosly jabbing and smacking someone with a stick wouldn't really help, especially if he was using a stimulant.

So what should they have done while this guy was resisting arrest? This guy was 350 pounds(closer to 400 from what I understand). Cops already told him to put his hands behind him and the guy resisted and attacked the cop? Now him being 350 pounds what do you want them to do? Wrestle with him?

[1024]

News: Black man was beaten to death by cops, apparently.

Black Activists: How many innocent black people need to die before the MURDERING WHITE PIGS are revealed for the evil bastards they are?!

News: Also, the black guy was full of cocaine and PCP's, did not sustain any life-threatening wounds as a result of being struck in return by the police, had an enlarged heart which likely lead to a heart attack, oh, and attacked the cops in the first place.

Black Activists: oh shi

:lol:! nice.

[Indecisive]

Why the hell do some blacks think that they can get away with anything just cause they are black?

There are some other points..but they dont belong in this thread...ill just leave it at this...

what happened to equal treatment? If a 400 pound white guy hopped up on crack lunged at a police officer, they wouldnt have cared if he got shot.

[Dharkbayne]

I hate all this racial bullshit, the fucking black ppl HAVE MORE RIGHT's than us now, cuz if you don't hire a black guy for a job, They say its discrimination, you arrest them, discrimination, yet, they can walk around make fun of white ppl all the fucking time, cracka this, cracka that,white ppl cant do this or that, blah blah blah, and yet, noone ever thinks about defending themselves or saying something about them, because it would be RACIST, I'm sick of all this bullshit,

[Everay]

yea, and if a white guy says what you just said, hes called racist...

[Mr1337Duck]

Yeah, most blacks I don't have a problem with, but if they play the race card, that pisses me off more than anything. Let's say you get two guys, each applying for a job with a white employer, that they don't get. And there's a crowd looking on, they are all black.

Black scenario
Boss:I'm sorry sir, you didn't get the job.
Black guy:Ah...
Crowd, and then shortly after black joins in: Discrimination, you black-hating racist!

White Scenario
Boss:I'm sorry sir, you didn't get the job.
White guy: Ah...
*Crowd walks off, a couple people say "Tough shit", but nothing else.



With cops, if a black guy walks into a store with a .50 and takes the customers hostage, then he walks out to shoot at police and one of them comes up behind him, grabs him, knocks the gun away and starts wailing on him as he's fighting, these NAACP pussies will scream about police brutality.

They have to realize that racism and dislike for them won't go away because they won't let it go away. If they scream racism about everything, nobody ever looks beyond race. Employers begin to dislike blacks because some idiot who happened to be black sued him for discrimination, this is just increasing tension.

[Navaron]

http://www.local6.com/news/2672416/detail.html

The unedited video is there. They must tell the guy to put his hands behind his back 30+ times.

This is the "Victim". Someone should have told the cops they can only enforce laws on white people. Duh :rolleyes: .

http://www.glennbeck.com/leadstories/12-02-03/12-02-03-1.jpg

Fat ass + drugs+ White Castle food= dead fat fucker = world better place.










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Coroner: Drugs Found In Man Who Died In Police Altercation
Footage Shows 6 Officers Subduing 400-Pound Man Who Attacked Them

POSTED: 7:30 a.m. EST December 1, 2003
UPDATED: 5:07 p.m. EST December 1, 2003

CINCINNATI -- A nearly 400-pound man who died Sunday after struggling with Cincinnati police officers had drugs in his system and suffered from health problems, according to a coroner's report.



Police were called to the White Castle restaurant on Mitchell Avenue in Avondale just before 6 a.m. after employees reported a disorderly person outside the restaurant, Cincinnati TV station WLWT-TV reported.

The two officers who arrived first at the restaurant called for backup because Nathaniel Jones, 41, began to get violent, police said.

After Jones was restrained, officers realized something was wrong and called firefighters for help, police spokesman Lt. Kurt Byrd said.

Jones was taken to University Hospital, where he died a short time later, WLWT reported.

According to a statement from the Hamilton County coroner, Jones had a cocaine and PCP in his system at the time of his death.


Also, Jones had a "markedly enlarged heart, consistent with hypertensive heart disease," the coroner said.

The investigation revealed that Jones "had linear bruises on his right calf, right thigh, right buttock and right flank, but there was no evidence of transmission of force to internal organs," the coroner said.

An official cause of death has not been determined, WLWT reported.

Firefighters Called Back After Leaving

Before police arrived at the scene, a rescue crew from the Cincinnati Fire Department arrived, according to videotape captured from an in-car camera in a police cruiser.

However, the videotape showed the rescue workers leaving during the officers' confrontation with Jones, according to WLWT.

After the scuffle subsided, the videotape showed officers wondering aloud where the paramedics had gone. An officer called for help, and the paramedics returned several minutes later, WLWT reported.



Six Officers Placed On Leave

The two officers involved in the initial confrontation, James Pike and Baron Osterman, were placed on administrative leave. Four others officers who arrived after Pike and Osterman and began struggling with Jones -- Thomas Slade, Guy Abrams, Jay Johnstone and Joehonny Reese -- were placed on administrative leave as well.


A police cruiser camera recorded the entire confrontation on videotape. A portion of the tape showed one of the officers using his baton multiple times to try to restrain Jones.


Cincinnati police Lt. Col. Rick Janke said the amount of force used was consistent with protocol.


"Taking into consideration everything we've seen on the videotape, the officers did what they were trained to do," he said. "It was a very violent assault by a large man on two of our officers."



Placing the officers on leave is standard, but the way the officers were treated was unprofessional, according to Cincinnati Fraternal Order of Police President Roger Webster.

The officers were read their rights, allowed one phone call, and permitted to talk only to their attorneys and a minister, according to Webster.

"The people who witnessed this offense were sent on their way, and our officers were sat down for eight hours," he said. "Then they're interviewed. That's wrong. That's ridiculous."


The FOP asked the police chief to give the officers a 48-hour cooling-off period, but Webster said the request was denied.


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"And you wonder why they don't want to work," he said. "That's exactly why they don't want to work, because they're treated worse than the criminals they arrest, and that's crap."

Pike and Osterman suffered cuts and scrapes during the confrontation.

Jones had been in trouble with the law before. He was arrested for cocaine possession in 1998. Instead of jail time, he was sentenced to a treatment program, but he violated his probation repeatedly, according to WLWT, and was sentenced in August 1998 to one year in prison.



Mayor Defends Police Action

Black activists say the death Sunday of Nathaniel Jones, 41, was another example of police doing little or nothing to stop deaths of black men in encounters with police in recent years. The fatal shooting of an unarmed black man by a white police officer in April 2001 prompted three nights of rioting in Cincinnati.


Cincinnati Mayor Charlie Luken rejected black activists' demand Monday that he force police Chief Thomas Streicher Jr. to resign.


"What I saw was a 400-pound man violently attacking a police officer in a manner that put the lives of police officers at risk," Luken said after viewing the videotape, which police released to the media. "While the investigations will continue, there is nothing on those tapes to suggest that the police did anything wrong."


Luken said he agreed with the initial police assessment that the officers who struggled with Jones defended themselves as they were trained to do when attacked. The mayor has rejected previous calls by the activists for Streicher's firing or resignation.