Special Assault Must Go

[Veteran]

I'll make this brief. Decimator moves to AV and has its damage reduced to 350. Thumper and Rocklet Rifle move to Heavy Assault.

Problem solved.

[Vick]

What problem does this solve?

[Veteran]

Decimator's completely inappropriate placement outside of AV, for one.

Also, a 3 cert skill that nets you 4 weapons is a bit... odd.

edit: this change would drive the number of vehicles way up, also. The killer NC template, at present, has no room for vehicles.

[Eldanesh]

Decimator's completely inappropriate placement outside of AV, for one.

Also, a 3 cert skill that nets you 4 weapons is a bit... odd.

edit: this change would drive the number of vehicles way up, also. The killer NC template, at present, has no room for vehicles.

What "killer NC template"?
:doh:

[BadAsh]

Decimator's completely inappropriate placement outside of AV, for one.

Also, a 3 cert skill that nets you 4 weapons is a bit... odd.

edit: this change would drive the number of vehicles way up, also. The killer NC template, at present, has no room for vehicles.

I disagree. I like the Decimator being moved to AV idea but the thumper, radiator, and rocket rifle should remain special assault. Otherwise, what you basically got for 7 certs you now get for 4. HA is powerful enough without throwing in a few other powerful weapons into the mix.

Just MHO.

[Doppler]

I agree with moving the deci, I dont think it needs a damage change however and I think other then that SA is fine.

[ORANGE]

I think things are fine the way they are except for the deci being just a tad bit too powerful against maxes.

[TeraHertz]

yeah, all three decis should have to directly hit a max to kill it.

[Vick]

Yeah, what is this "killer NC template"?

[VashTheStamped]

i :love: Spec Assault tho

[MuNsTeR]

yeah move the deci to AV cause i dont wanna forget my phoenix :love: by i also like deci

[sandmtrailboss]

Its called special assault for a reason, there not eveyday weapons you would think of. When you think of a game involving vehicles both land and air along with infantry what pops into your head is a basic anti-vehicle weapon and a basic heavy infantry gun will be included. The thumper for example combines all those uses, why not put it in the av catagorie then? Or better yet leave it as it is becuse it is a combined assault weapon for "special" purposes.

[Sentrosi]

No

No

No

No

The Decimator is the balance to the MAX unit in game. If I can go get a MAX cert for 3 points, why the hell can't I get a Decimator for 3 points?

[Cauldron Borne]

All those SA guys (me!) will be angry if they move deci's to AV. SA provides a good round mix of weapons, you got an AP weapon (Thumper), an AV weapon (Deci), and a scarier than shit gun (Rocklet) (how many times have you flyboys run from a barage of rocklet fire, not knowing what the hell it was? c'mon, admit it). SA is a Jack-of-all-trades cert, is can do everything, but excells at nothin', without practice. If you take away the deci's it looses that jack-of-all-trades appeal.

[sandmtrailboss]

SA is a Jack-of-all-trades cert, is can do everything, but excells at nothin', without practice. If you take away the deci's it looses that jack-of-all-trades appeal.

Exactly

[dscytherulez]

I disagree with this, SA is fine. Its supposed to have something for every situation. Even though i get pwned in my maxes by decis 24/7 i still think SA is fine just the way it is.

[BDMJ]

SA is fine. The AV weapons need to be ungimped so they are a superior alternative to the Deci. The maxes are balanced with the deci as it stands.

The rest of the ideas are silly as well. How about we take one of the most abusive certs in the game and make it better! So instead of having to make a decision with HA and SA we give them both! For the next set of revisions lets just take every cert and lump them together in one fucking gigantic bundle for 23 cert points! That way all uniqueness on the battlefield is completely lost.

[delta]

They are fine and realistic the way they currently are.

[Doppler]

SA is not meant to be "Jack of all trades" it's meant to be the weapons that dont fit into other chatagories. The decimator is by definition an antiarmor weapon. Therefore it should go in antivehicle. By your logic, why should you be able to spend 3 points, get a weapon thats great against maxs/vehicles one thats great for launching off walls and down corridors around walls. The only weapon capable of killing troops inside vehicles as well as pacifying areas. A weapon that is decent against armor and gives a nice closs range splatting power. Where as if i spend three difrent points I get one singular empire specific weapon that is mostly worthless indoors.

[Doppler]

They are fine and realistic the way they currently are.

The R word is a bad word on this forum, seriously how can you say that a cert loadout is "REALISTIC" honestly what do those weapons have in common for training purposes. What magical quality does the deci have that makes a guy used to firing strikers or phoenix's unable to point click boom on a difrent rocketlauncher, yet relates it to a gernade launcher.

[BadAsh]

SA is fine. The AV weapons need to be ungimped so they are a superior alternative to the Deci. The maxes are balanced with the deci as it stands.

The rest of the ideas are silly as well. How about we take one of the most abusive certs in the game and make it better! So instead of having to make a decision with HA and SA we give them both! For the next set of revisions lets just take every cert and lump them together in one fucking gigantic bundle for 23 cert points! That way all uniqueness on the battlefield is completely lost.

Actually, not that I disagree with you, but the uniqueness in the battle field would still be dictated by available equipment (Got a tech base? Got equipment or vehicle modules?), empire specific equipment, and inventroy limitations (just because you would be certed in everything does not mean you are equiped/diving/gunning everything at the same time. choices choices...).

So the variety would be in what gear/vehicle you choose... the certs are player limitations to help encourage teamwork... a squad of 10 only needs 1 advanced hacker... so that frees up (in theory) 5 cert points for everyone else... only 1 person can purchase/drive a tank so the gunner(s) have 3 certs free... etc...

[BDMJ]

I know people would still get different loadouts, but it would enable any player to play any role. There have to be decisions for the game to be interesting

[Kikinchikin]

you move the deci to AV- i quit

lol jk. Seriously that would suck balls, because now you can have all 3 maxs for 5 points. There are more vanu maxes than grunts! the Deci is the only way we have a chance, because striker and lancer and even phoenix are too gimped.

[Lonehunter]

Decimator's completely inappropriate placement outside of AV, for one.

Also, a 3 cert skill that nets you 4 weapons is a bit... odd.

edit: this change would drive the number of vehicles way up, also. The killer NC template, at present, has no room for vehicles.
So, making it easier to get more AV weapons will make the vehicle population rise?

[SilverLord]

Decimater to AV, Leave the Radiator, Rocklet Rifle, and Thumper to SA but make it 4 points.

[Flammey]

Blah blah blah.

"She goes in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out,
Cause she's playing all night,
and the music's alright,
Momma's got a squeeze box, daddy never sleeps at night."

There, that's my one cent towards this conversation.

[Jagd]

Leave Special Assault alone! With Medium Assault, you have an extremely versatile 5 cert self defense combo. If anything, why not allow Anti-Vehicular players to use the Decimator as well?

[FightForFreedom]

Originally posted by Cauldren Borne
All those SA guys (me!) will be angry if they move deci's to AV. SA provides a good round mix of weapons, you got an AP weapon (Thumper), an AV weapon (Deci), and a scarier than shit gun (Rocklet) (how many times have you flyboys run from a barage of rocklet fire, not knowing what the hell it was? c'mon, admit it). SA is a Jack-of-all-trades cert, is can do everything, but excells at nothin', without practice. If you take away the deci's it looses that jack-of-all-trades appeal.

EXACTLY. That's exactly how I would put it.

[TeraHertz]

The Decimator is the balance to the MAX unit in game. If I can go get a MAX cert for 3 points, why the hell can't I get a Decimator for 3 points?

if it was moved to HA as he suggests, you would still get a deci for 3 points.
The point is, 3 points for two mss kill weapons, a serious anti armour weapon, and a strategic weapon (radiator) is a pretty damn good deal.

[Veteran]

SA excells at nothing? That's hard to believe when the best AV weapon in the game isn't in the AV category. Decimator is also the best anti-MAX and anti-generator weapon. It also kills spawn tubes fastest. And base turrets. It's 1200 damage for crying out loud. It takes two boxes of Striker ammo to equal that, and you know how big those are. You also know how long it takes to fire them, reload, and fire some more. Way longer than three shots with the Decimator.

Decimator bleaches the empire flavors. It's ubiquitous at this point, and forces people to choose it over their empire AV. Any skill that makes you a gimp for not taking it is overpowered or undercosted.

[BDMJ]

I personally think that AV should be buffed so it is superior to the deci, rather than move the deci to AV. That way a jack of all trades cert remains, but a true AV specialist cert exists as well.

[ghost018]

No. I think a lot of us Terran certed Special Assault after the Striker was nerfed, with good reason I might add. We need the Decimators now that our Anti-Vehicular gun is the worst in the game. The last thing we need is to have it altered now.

ghost

[Zatrais]

I'd be fine whit a deci move to AV, i'd just recert AV to get the deci again hehe. The deci is the only AV weapon i can field that lets me kill MAXs where i need to kill them the most.

[Doppler]

I guess i'm just amazed I see all these people bitching about cert costs when both certs cost 3, maybe its because they know SA is a stupidly sweet deal and are afraid of loosing that.