The NC.

[TeraHertz]

Today I learned a lot about NC weapons. I finally went off to emerald and created an NC character. I didn�t create one on Werner, because I still don�t think you should be able to so.

The first thing I found was that the NC talks sh*t when they say their maxs are crap. I cruised around a base in my scat max blowing away TR left right and centre. One comical moment occurred when an agile tried to run from me up the stairs, seemingly forgetting maxs can run. His macros of �help help� only brought more lambs to the slaughter. Toggle run, untoggle, activate sheild, kill. That got me about 3 battle ranks in 10 mins.

After continued investigation into weapons I discovered that the gauss is amazing. It OWNS the pulsar. The pulsar needs a big buff to get anywhere near it�s prowess. Devs, give the VS the gauss, its wasted on the NC, they all play with their noobhammers. I really want a gauss. If I had one I�d probably ditch the lasher.

The NC AT weapon is also a powerful device. While it�s ammo restrictions appear to balance it, it is a lot of fun to use, and also effective. I had a great time wiping out maxs, confusing the hell out of prowlers by flying rockets upwards, then slamming them down on their roofs, and chasing reavers.

I didn�t use the jackhammer as an NC, since I already have a lot of experience with that weapon from picking them up off dead bodies. We all know the JH is insanley powered.

In conclusing, I believe the NC have the best MA. They have the best AV, and they have the best HA. Their maxs are far from useless, but until I get the certs freed up on Emerald I reserve judgement. Though at the moment I would say I have never feared another max more while in a max suit, and been so safe from infantry.
The pulsar needs something done to it, it may have an AV option that can be quickly switched too, but I think that is a throw back from the begining of PS, at a time where this kind of AV fire was worth a damn. I was owning Lasher users with the guass, don't try to tell me that should happen.

By the way, VS on Emerald, you might want to find out about this arse hole (below), and his outfit. Not that there�s probably much you can do about them spying on your CR5s though :( .
http://mysite.freeserve.com/terahertz/disgrace1.JPG

[Rarzo]

NC definitely have the best AA. They have the best HA, the best MA, ScatterCannon is awsome, but you couldn't destroy a Go-Kart with their AV MAX.

They defininetly have the advantage in alot of situations...

[Doppler]

Terra you've proved repeatedly that you do nothing but bitch about this weaposn ballance or that, why should anyone take anything you whould say as anything other thenh a steaming load of dung.

[Rarzo]

Doppler, I could belive you If you were a TR or VS, but it is hard to when you're in the NC. I have charcters on every server with different empires, and I think that the NC have the best weapons AND vehicles...

[TeraHertz]

Terra you've proved repeatedly that you do nothing but bitch about this weaposn ballance or that, why should anyone take anything you whould say as anything other thenh a steaming load of dung.


So your a fan boy eating troll are you? Well, you'd better get your steak knife out NC fanboy, because it's going to take a while to eat your self, and theres a hell of a lot of you. Just look at the size of your head for one thing. If you don't have any constructive comment to make:

http://trinity.psnw.com/~jesse/pics/misc-x2/stfu.jpg

[Doppler]

If you must know my kill count hasnt moved in a while because I have been playing terran and vanu lately rather then my main. Plus if you page back through Terra's posts its just one long series of nerf fests. But hey lets completely ignore all that, the NC max shield, is still crap, its still worthless at range, a terran AI max is still the most evil thing you can have defending a tower or CC. Is still the only max that can shoot around corners. The terrans still ahve the best MA in the game, thanks to a signifigantly tigher rate of fire, cone of fire, and a clip bigger by thirty some rounds. If you and open up on someone close range with a guass and they open up with a cycler 9 out of 10 times you will die at right around the same time, or he will kill you because he can strafe you out of ammo. Does he honestly think that "He's confusing prowler crews" a prowler crew doesnt give a fuck what angle your shooting them from, their just turning to find you so they drop a round on your head, such is the case with any AV weapon. All av sucks just about equaly, terrans are just pissed (and the vanu to a lesser extent for difrent reasons) because they used to have one that was not just decent but godlike.

[TeraHertz]

the NC max shield, is still crap, its still worthless at range

Then don't use it at range, then at range you are as much as a target as any other max. Use run, charge at the enemy activate shield and weapons, kill. I've seen 4 scat maxs charge into vs lines using this and it was devestating.

a terran AI max is still the most evil thing you can have defending a tower or CC. Is still the only max that can shoot around corners.
True. I didnt say otherwise.

The terrans still ahve the best MA in the game, thanks to a signifigantly tigher rate of fire, cone of fire, and a clip bigger by thirty some rounds.
Which is replaced with the MCG. For the NC, they have an awesome mid range weapon, to use while they close in, then whip out the JH and it's good night.

If you and open up on someone close range with a guass and they open up with a cycler 9 out of 10 times you will die at right around the same time, or he will kill you because he can strafe you out of ammo. .
You die at the same time? Sounds balanced to me. At close range NC have the advantage in the JH. However my statement was that the guass owns the pulsar, not the cycler, which is just as good, but relativley pointless if you have a MCG.

Does he honestly think that "He's confusing prowler crews" a prowler crew doesnt give a fuck what angle your shooting them from, their just turning to find you so they drop a round on your head, such is the case with any AV weapon.

Considering i was firing from about 200m away, behind a hill, they had no chance of fining me, and they didn't. I Eventaly suicided on a spitfire when iran out of ammo. The prowlers were spamming everywhere to find me, driving about, and generaly wasting their time since they had no clue where the fire was comming from. Distraction is a major contributer to any battle.

All av sucks just about equaly, terrans are just pissed (and the vanu to a lesser extent for difrent reasons) because they used to have one that was not just decent but godlike.

Personaly I believe the Terran AV to be fairly usless. It's only offset is that they can carry more ammo than an NC. Unless there is alot of Air about, they're better off with a deci any day.

[ORANGE]

I play as VS and TR and only play NC about once a month and you wanna know why because I always get owned by lashers. Probably just because I suxors.

[TeraHertz]

I play as VS and TR and only play NC about once a month and you wanna know why because I always get owned by lashers. Probably just because I suxors.


On any empire you're pretty much guarunteed to by killed by the opposing force's HA alot. With the lasher, dance about hold your fire till they need to reload, then crouch and wipe them out while they take 4 hours to change clip.

[Zatrais]

Personaly I believe the Terran AV to be fairly usless. It's only offset is that they can carry more ammo than an NC. Unless there is alot of Air about, they're better off with a deci any day.

A VS has seen the truth! Praise the republic hehe.

I pretty much agree whit the rest of your post, the NC don't have much to bitch about.

[TeraHertz]

A VS has seen the truth! Praise the republic hehe.


I'm an avid Lancer supporter. Some people say it's crap. Sure, it coudln't kill a tank even if the tank stood still, the driver got out, and handed you some more lancer ammo, but neither can any of the AV weapons. I would dump HA before I dumped AV.

[STEALTHKILLER]

NC dont complain about are maxes, we complain about are max's shield.

[Veteran]

NC has by far, hands down, without question, the best gear in the game. Wherever it's important, NC excells at it.

It's just the truth. I'm an NC after a long TR career and I'd bet my life on it.

It's not "how you use the weapons". It's not "empires have different strengths". It's "NC owns because it has by far the best tank, HA and AV in the game". Some might also say it has the best pistol and the best assault rifle.

Seriously. Don't try to protect NC by denying the obvious. It's pointless and insults our intelligence. NC rules. It also has the only positive message of the empires. TR is the "imperialist", VS is the "technological elitist" and NC is the "freedom fighter". NC has been called the "devs' pets" for a reason.

TR needs help with their equipment. VS is fine, except their MAXs are overpowered. NC owns. Why do you think NC has the numbers? It should be obvious.

[TeraHertz]

what happens if you use personal shiled along with MAX shieled? I'll need to try that...

[Eldanesh]

Ya know... MA is one of the most well-balenced aspects of this game, cycler/pulsar/gauss all have similar TTK and different strengths (eg clip size, CoF). I used AV for a long time before balence pass and up until last week when I dropped it for deci's.

AV too is fairly well balenced, striker is NOT that bad, it really can kill maxes outdoors easily while still havign the power to scare away air and harrass ground. Phoenix, I like it a lot, its almost as powerful as a deci for indoors AV and can snipe maxs ouside. (dont waste the ammo on tanks.) Lancer imo is the weaker of the 3, they should not have nerfed the AI damage, but it is still a respectible antimax direct fire weapon.

Now then... must you harp on HA balence all the time? It really is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be with all the pissing and moaning. Jackhammer? remove the secondary mode and voila! a 4 cert sweeper! but wait, it does more damage! 1-2 points a pellet really makes a ton of difference! :rolleyes: Seriously, the only thing it has going for it is the larger clip as well as a slightly lower TTK than a sweeper. That being said, it is only for the larger clip as well as the ability to use MCG+ lasher that I even bother to waste 4 certs on it.

I could care less about the strengths of our maxes, as far as I can tell, they all seem pretty balenced with other empires, although I will say, I die to VS maxes a lot more than to TR, maybe because I see VS maxs in such a higher ratio as compared to footsoldiers. :p

[Spee]

I'm an avid Lancer supporter. Some people say it's crap. Sure, it coudln't kill a tank even if the tank stood still, the driver got out, and handed you some more lancer ammo, but neither can any of the AV weapons. I would dump HA before I dumped AV.



A-men. I cant tell you how nice it is to snipe a locked-down TR MAX at 200+ meters, and they die before even knowing whats going on :D

[TeraHertz]

So tell me. Whats the pulsar's advantage? At the moment, I amen't seeing it.
Seriously. Tell me, I want to know. I would LOVE a guass over my lasher.

[Queensidecastle]

Today I learned a lot about NC weapons. I finally went off to emerald and created an NC character. I didn�t create one on Werner, because I still don�t think you should be able to so

I have been convinced since I started playing this game that a person's opinion about game balance is totally worthless unless they have spent a lot of time playing all sides

[TeraHertz]

Depends if your a slow learner or not.

[BDMJ]

Remember those posts about how the NC aircraft must have more armor.....

Slow learner.....

No more nerf/whiny bullshit please. If you need help killing with the vanu weapons I recommend support classes, that way you can be an asset to your empire. Or you could just distract the enemy and play the role of 100 hp bullet sponge.

[DeadTeddy]

I just wanna say that from what I heard NC pwnz Emerald so it's not really the best place to test it :)
try it on the same server as you always play.
as for the MAXs, they're not too bad but I wouldn't call them 1337. the phoenix is so popular despite it's sane TTK for the simple reason the once you heard the "UMPH!" the max makes when you hit it, you can't de-cert it! it's too fun. yeah NC has a small advantage in CQB but outdoors it has a harder time. again, the differences are tiny.

[WritheNC]

I'll agree about the gauss. I will screw up anyone with that thing.

I do think that NC does have the best weaponry for infantry. If you want to be a grunt, NC is the place to be. However, 1 Magrider versus 10 infantry equals 10 dead infantry. Having the most advantageous infantry doesn't mean much in a war where you can get 2 vehicles for 3 cert points.

I don't think the VS have much to complain about. I think the magrider is the best tank, and they definitely have the best MAX's. The only thing holding them back is they have less people than the NC(which if they did have equal numbers, the Emeried NC would get owned daily).

By the way, VS on Emerald, you might want to find out about this arse hole (below), and his outfit. Not that there?s probably much you can do about them spying on your CR5s though .

How do you know he's spying on VS cr5's? Its not hard to anticipate, or use reveal enemies, look at hotspots, or have people report to you situations(I report things an average of every 10 minutes, if I find an AMS, etc). Saying they called in reinforcements doesn't mean much, since once or twice I've talked to the enemy, and they say, "Oh we've got more coming. You'll see." Nothing wrong with that. When its slow and empires want to fight, its easy to see that happen.

As for the pulsar, its good for running and gunning. You can't run and shoot with the gauss very well. I'll admit running and gunning isn't as advantageous though.

[Doppler]

The pulsar is nice because its cone is super tight, which allows a lot more movement while gunning, and the dual ammo is awesome, and I'd much rather have your max's over mine.

[TeraHertz]

Remember those posts about how the NC aircraft must have more armor.....

Slow learner.....

No more nerf/whiny bullshit please. If you need help killing with the vanu weapons I recommend support classes, that way you can be an asset to your empire. Or you could just distract the enemy and play the role of 100 hp bullet sponge.


Oh you mean this one posted on the 11th of November eight days after I started playing?
My squad see and engage many aircraft of all types belonging to the TR. I don't see so many NC aircraft, but is it me or are NC aircraft more heavily armoured? Maybe its just my imagination.
That post was a question, not a statment, to which you replied

Ok, for the record:

COMMON POOL VEHICLES ARE IDENTICAL, REGARDLESS OF WHICH EMPIRE FIELDS THEM!

Considering I was in a shit Outfit at the time, who gave me bad info, including (but not only) "be careful of the NC, their infantry move faster" they it did kind of fuck up my understanding of empire differences while I was with them, yes.

[TeraHertz]

I just wanna say that from what I heard NC pwnz Emerald so it's not really the best place to test it :)


I agree it wasnt a scientific test, but like I said, I don't agree with the multiple empires per server, so I'd be a hypocrite doing it myself :D

[Kikinchikin]

All factions-fine

nuff said quit bitching

[TeraHertz]

The pulsar is nice because its cone is super tight, which allows a lot more movement while gunning, and the dual ammo is awesome, and I'd much rather have your max's over mine.


The cone isn't super tight. maybe they changed it since youused it last. It's tight if you fire one shot bursts while crouched, other than that...

[Black]

Ok since i have been playing VS,NC,TR since beta ill tell you guys what weapons are the best
Medium: TR cycler owns, Gauss is second, Pulsar i find is very hard to kill anything with (but thats jus me)
Heavy : NC jackhammer is still best weapon, and i think theres a tie for 2nd place between the Lasher and MCG both good weapons
Tank: Magrider can kill anything from air to ground,Vanguard is second for its truely devestating main gun, and prowlers are still great so i think they are tied with vanguard for its ability to mow down jus about anything
Buggy: TR marauder is 1st for its a great transport/Attack buggy, NC enforcer is 2nd for it can kill any land veh fairly well other then heavy tanks, 3rd is the VS thresher with i found to be ok but not the best buggy in the Auraxis world
AV weapon: VS lancer i love it can take out anything from air to land, NC phoniex great for taking out TR anchered Maxs at a distance, TR striker is the worst AV weapon ever witch i think all empires think is shit (for now)
Maxs: VS maxs OWN ALL they have great speed and can kill anything, NC maxs is great for indoors for scatter and falcon and can own all aircraft out there, TR maxs arent the best anymore but can get the job done i find that the Burster MAX is great since it can take out a mosq and a reaver in a clip (that is if you get all of the shots in)

so thats my thoughts on all of the empire specific weaponary

[Spee]

So tell me. Whats the pulsar's advantage? At the moment, I amen't seeing it.
Seriously. Tell me, I want to know. I would LOVE a guass over my lasher.


I myself prefer the pulsar over the lasher. Bigger clip, does more damage to AV in AV mode than the lasher sstandard shots*, And good projectile speed. I'm a support class at the moment, and wouldnt give my pulsar for anything. It's versatility in combat situations is unmatched. Im not saying that you can galavant about in agile armor and take out tanks with it, but its the best non-AV MA weapon out there, as in the time it takes for a TR or NC to change thier clip to AV ammo, a pulsar has already empties half of its clip in AV mode. True, you dont get much supression with it (lashing) but in those situations where you turn a corner, and theres an enemy with his gun drawn and surprised, you will pwnz him.


Same thing with the beamer. Best sniper-pistol ever.



*Im pretty sure, anyways.

[Doppler]

Terra it looks to me like you've done nothing but the get go since starting to play and coming to the boards then bitch about weapons balance, it's a chronic problem with you. Maybe you should go to the OF forums, you'd fit in better there.

[SpunkyKuma]

I have to agree the Gauss and Scatter MAX are quite good, the Gauss is very accurate in distance but really sucks up close. The Scatter is really quite scary up close and indoors.

About the VS, the Quasar and Pulsar are awesome, the Pulsar DOES have a tight COF but the dropoff damage hurts, and the dual ammo feature is great since I can shoot grunts and MAXs at the same time with instant switching. A couple of my VS outfit members complained about the Pulsar until I told them how to properly use it and they change their mind to "hey it's not a bad gun after all". :)

[Nimbus]

The pulsar is an all around mediocre weapon. Being able to use the same ammo for regular and armor piercing is very nice and allows the character to be more versatile because it frees up a little inventory space. Thats not really something many people are looking for in a character though. I found it great for sniping. You could carry a decent assault rifle and pistol along with your rifle without having to use up too much space for your precious sniper rounds. *shrugs* just my two cents. While the other empires have a good stable assault weapon, the pulsar seems to serve more as a backup to a specialty weapon. Also, if I remember correctly the pulsar shots aren't supposed to have as much damage degredation over distance.

[Cauldron Borne]

The Cycler owns all. I wipe the floor w/ JHers at range. I then proceed to own them with the just as good Sweeper. My Shoty can kick yer shoty's ass any day! Also there is nothin' like the Burster to lay down supressive fire, or shoot down unsuspecting fly boys. The thing gives no warning, and I can usually empty an entire clip before the first round hits the plane. MUAHAHAHA!

[ZjinPS]

I play as VS and TR and only play NC about once a month and you wanna know why because I always get owned by lashers. Probably just because I suxors.


Just keep a little distance between you and the lasher and move laterally. Your cycler or Gauss will eat him up.

And, what marker do you shoot?

[Rbstr]

The Scatter is quite good, but the NC shield is broken, the only times its usefull is when your not firing so its useless if you have to shoot at stuff, you still die in two hits from a deci anyway. I agree that the VS lancer need some more AV punch. And both NC and VS Ma's are broken. the Guass less so, but it should have far more punch, slower fire rate, and be more accurate. The pulsar should do stacking plasma damage like the Starfire to make it more worthwhile

[TeraHertz]

Terra it looks to me like you've done nothing but the get go since starting to play and coming to the boards then bitch about weapons balance, it's a chronic problem with you. Maybe you should go to the OF forums, you'd fit in better there.

I've already told you once, Im not going to tell you again, if you dont have something CONSTRUCTIVE to say, stfu. If you really wan't to say something like that, pm me. Just don't expect a response, or for me to read it.

[edit]
No-one is asking you to ready my threads. I believe there is an "ignore" option. Perhaps you should find it?

[BDMJ]

Balance posts aren't constructive.

[Zatrais]

Buggy: TR marauder is 1st for its a great transport/Attack buggy, NC enforcer is 2nd for it can kill any land veh fairly well other then heavy tanks, 3rd is the VS thresher with i found to be ok but not the best buggy in the Auraxis world


Best weapon on the marauder is the 12mm chaingun imo. Second best thing is that it can carry 3, the Ground Pounder on it is just horrible. 1/3rd the damage, 3 times the ROF, significantly reduced splash, no clip increase to compensate or ammo capacity.

I wish they would bring back the old marauder, that was a nice assault buggy worth 3 certs. I still don't get why they changed it, was probably the only vehicle no one bitched bout or wanted nerfed hehe.

[TeraHertz]

The Cycler owns all. I wipe the floor w/ JHers at range. I then proceed to own them with the just as good Sweeper. My Shoty can kick yer shoty's ass any day! Also there is nothin' like the Burster to lay down supressive fire, or shoot down unsuspecting fly boys. The thing gives no warning, and I can usually empty an entire clip before the first round hits the plane. MUAHAHAHA!


!

A TR who doesn't think they're pissed upon :scared:

So, in your opinion, what would you say is the one weapon improvement you would make, for any empire. (if any)

[1024]

I have one question:

If the NC are as powerful as you say, Tera, than why aren't we having half of the world locked?

[TeraHertz]

Lack of team play?

[1024]

My ass. The alliance my outfit is in is the biggest on on Markov, not to mention being extremely effiecent. We work together, trust me.

[TeraHertz]

Hmm, then maybe you're shit.

;)


Joking.
I don't know. Maybe there is some kink in the NC armour. What I've noticed is that if the NC can be held at arms length, i.e. stop them getting ams's near you, you can pretty much hold them off for ever. As long as the usualy simultaneous 6 vanguards doesn't roll in, you're sorted.
The guass isn't much use if the folk inside the base keep their heads down.
The NC doesnt seem to have many AMS drivers as well.

Another thing is this, put 5 lasher uses in a corridor, you can surge own it all your want, you're still going to die. The same could be said of the MCG. Try to do the same with a JH, and you'd have to sit closer to the door, leaving you vulnerable to grenades. Door protection (especialy the back door) is a major part of a battle.

[Queensidecastle]

Seriously, you have to play for days and days and days in a given empire before you can even begin to contemplate what it is like. Learn the CR5s, learn each weapon intamately and learn how it all operates on a grander scale. Learn the types of offensives that work and what doesnt from infiltration, and Vehicles, to MAX suits. It all takes a new flavor and life of its own on the other sides and you just cannot understand balance until you have walked miles in the other's shoes.

A WHOLE lot of shit was fixed in the last balance pass and for that I am gratefull. I think the Devs that read this forum knows whos got the score and who doesnt. Right now, Balance is about as good as could be expected from a game with as many dynamics as Planetside has and still remain fun. They are tossing out free trials like candy cause they know its a hell of a lot more fun than it ever has been. There really isnt a lot to complain about right now. After all, they have already stated they are working on the Implants and we can expect some type of Surge/Agile/HA nerf soon

[Cauldron Borne]

In responce to Tera's question directeed my way:

The reason I don't fell like I got the but end of the shit stick is because I know how to use what is given me to its best extent. Our max's shoot faster and have larger clips, so I make sure I spit out the most shells I can, as fast as I can before I die. Our mcg is good at range and gets better as the target closes. So, I use short bursts as I am at range, and use longer and longer bursts as the target closes.

To answer the other question: I don't believe that any weapon should be nerfed. PERIOD! The maurader could use some lovin', but only in ammo capacity. The pulsar could use some damage love. and the Inf should get some love. but that is really it. The JH is not the uber weapon you all think it is. The bloody thing is a pain in the ass really, you have to get RIGHT UP TO the other guy for the stupid thing to be effective, the sweeper actually has better range.

[WritheNC]

VS gives the NC a major headache all the time. The problem is in the open field.

Because of the VS MAXes and Magriders, they are easily the best empire for field skirmishes, bridge battles, and all that crap.

The vanguard/prowler vs magrider is something of a mismatch. Mobility is the key factor. Got that magrider down to 30% health? Too bad you can't catch it as it goes off to repair. One hill, and it skirts over it at 30-50kph, and your vanguard/prowler climbs it in 12 seconds. Did a magrider get the jump on your tank? Well you can't run away; the magrider is faster and more mobile. Sure, a few shots will take it out, but a magrider can get off 3-4 shots before you can even turn the turret in their direction.

Personally, the magrider is my #1 frustration in the game. Its just too good compared to the other 2 tanks. You don't have to lead your shots, you don't have to compensate for arc, you don't have to worry so much about aircraft, you don't have to worry about getting choked on a bridge, and you glide over hills and water.

I don't think they should change it though; its the epitome of VS versatility, but I don't think anyone realizes how much better it is than the other tanks. Sure, the other empires talk about what happens when 6+ vanguards come around, but almost every night you could find 7-12 Magriders there to stop them.

I think all 3 tanks should move the same speed; it wouldn't change much because of the terrain on nearly any continent the magrider will still always have a higher average speed.

That's my whine for the day. :)

[JuSTCHiLLiN]

Tera is a whining troll. Please post these useless topics on the official forums as you do nothing here except make people angry with your exceeding dumb posts. Giving an opinion on an empire while playing for a hour is completely absurd. I have a BR 11 vanu character on Markov so that means I'm a vanu expert by your standards. I looked at your Emerald NC character (http://myplanetside.station.sony.com/character.jsp?charId=712063&worldId=15) and I'm sure your 18 kills give you a fascinating insight to how NC weapons own.

As for your moronic statement of "lack of team play" it is by far the best proof that you were dropped on your head as a child.

As for weapons:

The guass is a good weapon, too bad it only has a clip of 30 compared to the pulsar's 40 and cycler's 50. A fact commonly over looked.

I feel the heavy assault weapons are moderately balanaced with the exception of the MCG. Not that I think the MCG isn't a decent weapon but the crouching pisses me off when I use it. Don't even get me started on the lasher, any vanu whine about it obviously hasn't gone up against it.

Why does every vanu just ignore the fact that the magrider has some extreme advantages. Direct fire makes it just as good against enemy air as it is at range vs land vehicles. It can cross water (where it is basically untouchable by splash damage) and climb serious steep angles.

The VS max jumping ability is the best in the game. This is not open to debate. It lets a VS max escape and dodge, and gives a great ability to attack from unique positions.

Ugh, I'm tired of replying to this troll post.

[1024]

Another thing is this, put 5 lasher uses in a corridor, you can surge own it all your want, you're still going to die. The same could be said of the MCG. Try to do the same with a JH, and you'd have to sit closer to the door, leaving you vulnerable to grenades. Door protection (especialy the back door) is a major part of a battle.

You realize you just contradicted your own argument?

[_-Gunslinger-_]

The empires break down rather evenly. They infact do reflect thier Direct strengths and weaknesses.


The NC: When they are approching a battle they are at thier weakest. With this in mind a Smart commander would force a longer range battle. Concordently (Just love that word) a smart NC commander would understand this and use gorilla tactics to get up close. However if a NC force gets into a base thats when the battle turns to thier favor. They have the power to take a base easily because of thier JH (the most used weapon by the NC). The main issue is that the NC have the numbers but not the skill. This isnt a blanket statement, there are skilled NC, but when the grey zone of winning or loseing is so shallow is more of a coin toss than a fight. Wielding this epiphany you will find that there is less of a challenge yielding less of a battle hardened grunt.

The TR: They have no huge ***** in thier armor, no massive weakness. Thier only "weakness" is the fact that they excell at nothing. But interestingly enough that only makes them a tougher opponent. For the rare PS player who sticks with TR, they reap the reward of getting increadably good. And because they have no "specialty" they dont have a good chunk of thier force weilding the same thing. In effect the TR have ballanced forces.

The VS: By far have the best tactical advantage in the game. The ability to move faster and ignore terrain (for the most part) is so blaringly superior to the other two that it is only balanced by one simple fact. Thier weapons are hard to use. A steep learning curve keeps your newbloods to a minimum. So you may ask why they get a pop advantage now? The thing is that since the server merger alot of people are trying different factions. So since the VS have the coolfactor goin for them, it follows that people are going to switchhit on over to them.

Now for the changes: Dont stop reading assuming that this is a nerf/buff rant.

NC ok you need to recognize your weakness, RANGE! So think of some ways to for CQB's. Like a galaxy drop on the roof. Or put something inbetween your enemies.

TR you guys scare the shit out of me somethimes. I know how the NC are gonna try to kill me, so I have no problem keeping an eye out for the surge+JH combo. But you guys have a plethra of options for killing me, thus making you a volitile enemy.

VS im tired and need to finish my Paper for the final. Just umm do better? Whatever.

[Vick]

Everyone shhh, its balanced...

I dunno why people keep going "noe!!11 my empirer weaker!!13". Really, just shut the fuck up, it is balanced.

The only thing that is out of balance is HA vs MA across all empires, and maybe AA/AV/Anti-MAX.

[Vick]

Tera is a whining troll. Please post these useless topics on the official forums as you do nothing here except make people angry with your exceeding dumb posts. Giving an opinion on an empire while playing for a hour is completely absurd. I have a BR 11 vanu character on Markov so that means I'm a vanu expert by your standards. I looked at your Emerald NC character (http://myplanetside.station.sony.com/character.jsp?charId=712063&worldId=15) and I'm sure your 18 kills give you a fascinating insight to how NC weapons own.


Just because I am tired of the whining:

Justchillin is a whining troll, with a fucking stupid name. Go post your dumb shit on the official forums. Your opinions are completly absurd. I looked at your little stats. I bet those 6000 kills gave you a ton of insight into how to whine on the forums about how your empire sucks, like it makes you a better player. My stats are better then yours, so my opinion is more valid. You suck at life, your a newb.

lalallalala....

[EarlyDawn]

Today I learned a lot about NC weapons. I finally went off to emerald and created an NC character. I didn�t create one on Werner, because I still don�t think you should be able to so.

The first thing I found was that the NC talks sh*t when they say their maxs are crap. I cruised around a base in my scat max blowing away TR left right and centre. One comical moment occurred when an agile tried to run from me up the stairs, seemingly forgetting maxs can run. His macros of �help help� only brought more lambs to the slaughter. Toggle run, untoggle, activate sheild, kill. That got me about 3 battle ranks in 10 mins.

After continued investigation into weapons I discovered that the gauss is amazing. It OWNS the pulsar. The pulsar needs a big buff to get anywhere near it�s prowess. Devs, give the VS the gauss, its wasted on the NC, they all play with their noobhammers. I really want a gauss. If I had one I�d probably ditch the lasher.

The NC AT weapon is also a powerful device. While it�s ammo restrictions appear to balance it, it is a lot of fun to use, and also effective. I had a great time wiping out maxs, confusing the hell out of prowlers by flying rockets upwards, then slamming them down on their roofs, and chasing reavers.

I didn�t use the jackhammer as an NC, since I already have a lot of experience with that weapon from picking them up off dead bodies. We all know the JH is insanley powered.

In conclusing, I believe the NC have the best MA. They have the best AV, and they have the best HA. Their maxs are far from useless, but until I get the certs freed up on Emerald I reserve judgement. Though at the moment I would say I have never feared another max more while in a max suit, and been so safe from infantry.
The pulsar needs something done to it, it may have an AV option that can be quickly switched too, but I think that is a throw back from the begining of PS, at a time where this kind of AV fire was worth a damn. I was owning Lasher users with the guass, don't try to tell me that should happen.

By the way, VS on Emerald, you might want to find out about this arse hole (below), and his outfit. Not that there�s probably much you can do about them spying on your CR5s though :( .
http://mysite.freeserve.com/terahertz/disgrace1.JPGhttp://www.justsaywow.com/sad_lg_clr.gif

[Rbstr]

The only things a would do right now to the Game is give the pulsar stacking plasma damage, up the gauss damage, lower its fire rate, make it more accurate. Give the striker a 5 shot box of ammo, the pheonix a 2 shot clip, more AV and a 4 shot box, and let the Lancer use regular ammo at 15 per shot(as said in a different post), then up the AV damage, but not the A-max or AA, becasue we don't another stiker AA uberness problem.

[Flammey]

All factions-fine

nuff said quit bitching

My thoughts too. I have used every empire, every weapon, every vehicle, and every MAX. Each side as an advantage, and a disadvantage. Personally, I'd take a mAgrider gun over a Vanguard or Prowler anyday. I'll hoof around with a JH, Gauss, Lasher, or Sniper rifle anyday, I'll use a Sparrow, Starfire, or Burster over any other MAX. BTW, when I play an Empire, I hate all other empires. *Winks* LOL* But damn, that Sparrow, I wish I could use it on any empire. Us Vanu call it the 3 mile MAX. And for good reason. It's a little broken. Once those missles lock-on, they never stop. Or they don't seem to.

As for what good is a Pulsar? One, I don't have to carry two types of ammo, and two, I don't have to change ammo types in combat. Two good reasons for me.

[Flammey]

The only things a would do right now to the Game is give the pulsar stacking plasma damage, up the gauss damage, lower its fire rate, make it more accurate. Give the striker a 5 shot box of ammo, the pheonix a 2 shot clip, more AV and a 4 shot box, and let the Lancer use regular ammo at 15 per shot(as said in a different post), then up the AV damage, but not the A-max or AA, becasue we don't another stiker AA uberness problem.

WTF? Pulsar doesn't do plasma damage. It's a Laser weapon.

[Spee]

I started playing this game in September. During that time, I've gotten to know all three empires pretty well, save for Terran - For some reason I cant play them beyond a low level. *shrug*


I liked the NC for thier "PWNZ THEM THROUGH THE EYES" philosophy. I liked terran simply because thier guns are on crack, speed-wise. And, I <3 the VS, simply because Im in the most awesome outfit evar, aside from IV. So much lovely, lovely teamwork.

[Veteran]

NC=win
VS=win
TR=need help, call police

[BDMJ]

Dammit! Take this to the OF.

[SandTrout]

Dammit! Take this to the OF. :stupid: ;)

I've used every weapon and vehicle in the game extensively with the exceptions of the TR and VS empire specific vehicles post balance pass.

MA= My conclusion is they are just about ballanced. The Pusar has a smaller COF when fireing automatic than the Gauss, and better per-shot damage than the cycler. The secondary mode is highly underrated.

HA= All of them are good, with the MCG being a little too powerfull due to its effectiveness at range. I don't sudgest screwing with it however, it will just become more fucked up.

AV= Quit your bitching about one empire being overpowered, realy. This cert in general could use a boost. The Lancer's COF is a little too big, the Striker could stand to have faster moveing rockets(so you don't have to hold lock as long) and the phoenix has the worst TTK of the 3. Not to mention that the Deci should be in this cert, dumbass SOE.

The Vanu MAXes' special ability is by far the most useful, and it's weapons are argurably better. Sparrow is a fire-and-forget weapons system. This is to make up for the reletively crapy TTK. the Starfire has the highest likelyhood of killing an aircraft from what I've seen, though suppriseingly few TR seem to use the burster. Burster could use a magazine boost IMO. Note to aircraft, if you get a lock-on while fighting VS or TR, run and swerve, if vs the NC, just run.

Vehicles I have less expirence with on the giveing end, but plenty on the recieveing. I'll provide what I can.

Buggies= They never should have fucked with the ground pounder.

Tanks= Mag is a little too good, mainly because they increased the infantry damage on the Rail gun(wtf were they thinking?) and the good armor damage on the driver's gun. IMHO, Prowler's main-guns shouldnt be one shot like the Vangaurd's because it has a signifiganly higher ROF and the chainguns on top for infantry and Air. Vangaurd is the most vunerable of the tanks against Air, but that gun is death to light vehicles that are stupid enough to get close.

OF the empire specific pistols, Repeater is the best infil-assassin pistol, Magscatter is the best infil-defence pistol, and beamer is the best anti-CE pistol. If you can, grab a spiker though.

[Hamma]

This thread sucks, lets all just chill out and spread some :love:

[Katanaboy]

Tanks= Mag is a little too good, mainly because they increased the infantry damage on the Rail gun(wtf were they thinking?)
HRB = 2-3 shots to kill infantry
100 mm = 1 shot
150 mm = 1 shot

good point, wtf were they thinking?

[Flammey]

This thread sucks, lets all just chill out and spread some :love:

Any love that I spread is with M80's and Chainguns. Then the love gets spread REAL good. All over the walls, ground, ceiling, and everything inbetween.

[TeraHertz]

Ugh, I'm tired of replying to this troll post.


:lol: Another one who I'm going to tell the same thing, stfu, and if you dont like my threads don't read them. Do you even realise that YOU are the troll is this picture?

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Well done to all of you who managed to put in a valid argument without feeling the need to btich about someone's opinion. Maybe some people like to flame, maybe they are scared threads like this will get their empire nerfed.

All in all I've learned some things, which was the purpose of the thread. The NC's weakness, straight from the horses mouth for on thing. It's usualy hard to get people to express weaknesses without first tugging on the "you're overpowered" strings.

pimp:

[DeadTeddy]

You're TR right? guess what, yesterday we fought you guys on forseral and I couldn't run from the dropship center's tower to the nearest tower in a MAX suit! shield on it never took more then 3 prowler shots to take me out. I had to fight without my squad for over an hour! if it isn't a base the TR own it, those prowlers are awesome.

I'll Tell you what, overall, the empires are all sort of balanced. the thing I'm guessing that ticks you all off about the NC is that non of our weapons suck. we don't have any superweapons except for the JH that if you ask me should be a 1 shot kill, not cause I'm NC, just because nobody can withstand 3 shots from a shotgun.
anyhow, the thing is the TR for example have the Prowler, the MCG, and the pounder who pretty much send me running whenever I see them. you don't see much variety on the battlfefield with them but the total firepower is huge.
I haven't really gotten into the vanu, but like all HA weapons they have a superweapon too, maxes are nice, especially that orb shooting AA thing, magrider doesn't mow as much but now that they actually have gunners it's really nice :D

summary:
NC - all weapons are nice, can hold their own in every battlefield, no weakpoints but no real strong points.
TR - have one great weapon of each kind. Max, infantry, and tank. most of their other weapons aren't too good but they don't really need them.
VS - haven't really looked into it lately, they take a cont and run away, you only get big battles with the TR.

[Madcow]

we don't have any superweapons except for the JH that if you ask me should be a 1 shot kill, not cause I'm NC, just because nobody can withstand 3 shots from a shotgun.

Sorry, I only read this far into your post before I realized it was impossible to take anything you say seriously.

[TeraHertz]

Come on guys, please keep the posts non offensive?
There's no need to try and get one up on people. Just discuss things and don't be affraid to be shown an alternate way of thinking.

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deadteddy
mags are cool, as long as they arent moving.

hard suspension in a hover craft? wtf :lol:

[shadowseed]

I always find it a pleasure to read the whine posts of people who say "yeah, ive tried those weapons and wow, they are amazing, so much better then everyone elses!!"

Your so full of it. What did you say about maxs ?, toggle shield on, start shooting is it ?, what good does that do, the bloodly sheild dont work while the gun is being fired, moron, if you HAD used the MAX's, you whould know that. The shield on has one use, to allow you a coulpe of seconds to turn around while being shot at. It does not stay up while you shoot back, and there is a sizable delay between it coming back up after you start shooting. Its really not that helpful in a firefight.

Dont get me wrong, i think the scatter MAX is the best Anti-infintry max there is. But the anti air max is sooo not the best one, its way to slow, and the only kills you get from it are if the target is eaither damaged by something else, or it just hangs around while you shoot at it.
As for the anti-armor max, dont make me laugh, the only think its any good at is taking out maxs, other than that, you try shooting a vechical, it will do one of 2 things, run away wayyy before you can destroy it, or run you over.

The AT missile is fun, but not really much use. It takes far to long to reload, by which time your target has dissapered.

Im really sorry your pulsar cant blow up tanks with one shot, or your lasher cant lock on and home in on targets.

I am a firm beleiver that the empire are more or less even. Every empire has its +/-.

[Veteran]

Activate shield, let opponent drain their clip, fire when they reload, win.

It works so often there should be a law.

NC MAX shield owns. That's just how it is.

[BDMJ]

How about this law?

If you are carrying a full deci, any max you see is dead. The only max that has a single shot at dodging a deci is the VS max, and even then it's iffy.

[Madcow]

How about this law?

If you are carrying a full deci, any max you see is dead. The only max that has a single shot at dodging a deci is the VS max, and even then it's iffy.

With client side hit detection, it can be damned near impossible. I've watched a deci shot at me and hit my jump jets, been at the top of my jump (exhausting all jump jets) and had the deci still hit me. Deci is teh evil.

[Vis Armata]

NC MAXes are great, but they don't fly, inflict plasma damage on airplanes...The Vanu have some good man-powered heavy armor there. Note the incredible number of Vanu MAXes that fly over walls and into structures.

The Gauss is a great longer range gun. It is inadvisable to engage Vanu at close range, however, given how many Lashers you'll run into - but that's a problem that spans all the empires. When I play Vanu (hardly ever), I do use the Pulsar. It's pretty good at range, and I can run and shoot a little better with it than other weapons.

Really, though, weapon balance thoughts are all a matter of perspective.

[Tavin]

I just started a Vanu on Emerald and I am loving it. The MAXs are far more fun than the NC versions and while I miss my gauss-- the pulsar works just fine when crouched.

[Dharkbayne]

Ahem, excerpt from the PSU IRC server about 10 min ago [12:00] <SporkfirePS> @8ball Will the VS ever be satisfied with their weapons?
[12:00] <Peacemaker> �SporkfirePS� The 8ball says: 100% POSITIVE NO!!!!!!

[TeraHertz]

Ahem, excerpt from the PSU IRC server about 10 min ago [12:00] <SporkfirePS> @8ball Will the VS ever be satisfied with their weapons?
[12:00] <Peacemaker> �SporkfirePS� The 8ball says: 100% POSITIVE NO!!!!!!

And you put alot of merit into the word of 8balls do you?

balls to the power 8 more like.

[JuSTCHiLLiN]

Just because I am tired of the whining:

Justchillin is a whining troll, with a fucking stupid name. Go post your dumb shit on the official forums. Your opinions are completly absurd. I looked at your little stats. I bet those 6000 kills gave you a ton of insight into how to whine on the forums about how your empire sucks, like it makes you a better player. My stats are better then yours, so my opinion is more valid. You suck at life, your a newb.

lalallalala....

Go post my dumb shit on the OF forums? Why would I, I don't whine about other empires. You should also notice that in my sig I have three NC characters with over 11,000 combined kills. One is a support character with Special Assualt, one is a MAX and vehicle character, and the latest is my heavy assualt character. Let's not forget my 4000 kills as my VS and TR characters. If you want to compare ePenis size feel free, mine is quite large.

In closing:

YOU'RE NOT YOUR YOU TARD

lololomglol!!!!!!!111

[Hamma]

This thread has run its course.