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Firefly
2003-12-17, 06:00 PM
New facility: Prison. Maximum security, shields over the courtyard entrances, backdoor shield, maybe something like a pain module, a locked double-hack ward for prisoners.

New feature: Kill someone, take their backpack and take it to a nearby CC or AMS matrix panel, and the player is "locked up" for a short time (or maybe longer).

Just an idea. It'd make not-dying an incentive, as opposed to the Internet Rambo syndrome where you have no fear of dying because you can respawn. Flame away, flamers.

ViperGTS
2003-12-17, 06:01 PM
Thats kool Idea. POW escapes would be cool.

TheN00b
2003-12-17, 06:05 PM
I find that I am sorry to say this, because I really don't think that Rambo Syndrome is good for the game, but I think that either the prison or lock ideas would be very good for the game. It would be very discouraging to just have to sit there mindlessly, waiting for a large enough group of friendlies to notice your predicament. This is not a flame, just a disagreement.

Jagd
2003-12-17, 06:12 PM
Yeah, let's PUNISH PLAYERS for trying to HAVE FUN and accidentally GETTING KILLED in the process. You know, if I wanted to sit on my computer being bored out of my skull, I'd just watch my bittorrents downloading. :bang:

ZionsFire
2003-12-17, 06:16 PM
Indeed, I mean this would absolutely SUCK! Nobody likes to be locked up. I would just log off. If this was inplemented everyone and their mother would be going for backpacks. And most people would just lie there and not click re-spawn. :doh:

I Hate Pants
2003-12-17, 06:36 PM
I've actually been trying to think of ideas to get some sorta prisoner thing in the game. I've came up with a few ideas but im too lazy to post them right now. Maybe later. :P

Strak
2003-12-17, 06:38 PM
The idea is not totally unworkable. I agree the whole being locked up thing would suck, it would suck BAD.

So I remeber I played a game on the BBSes called Operation Overkill II, In this game you could get captured. If you couldn't do anything about it you were stuck out of the game for like 5 days. Obviously that model wouldn't work. But the part of the model that might be ok was the fact you could carry explosives and blow your way out. So all we do is add an REK panel or something on the prison door and captured prisoners can hack their way out. It would move you from battle and slow you down. Unless they had players in enough numbers to be guards the prisoners would break out and take over the facility.

We all know how much people like sitting on their asses guarding structures.

Jagd
2003-12-17, 07:24 PM
It only works on a small FPS scale with mods like jail break, where the entire friggen point is to bust your friends out of lockup. Unless people were constantly trying to break their teammates out and jail guards were kept to a manageable minimum (not really possible in a game of thousands vs a game of 16) it simply wouldn't be fun for anyone.

Imagine if you had to get to the basement of a facility to break your friends out! It's bloody hard enough trying to hack the CC in a zerg let alone watching your reinforcements steadily dwindle. Can you imagine the flood of tells (or worse, globals) from captured comrades demanding you rescue them? shudder

Hamma
2003-12-17, 07:54 PM
Nobody wants to be a prisoner in a game that is supposed to be for entertainment.

Spee
2003-12-17, 08:08 PM
Heres something that would both make it discouraging to take someones backpack to prison, and an incentive to break out.

Put the Prison in the enemy Sanc. Make it so the back-pack-er has to carry the backpack to sanc, and put it in a cell. Once there, the next time the soldier dies, he auto-respawns in the sanc. Once players spawn inside the prison, they are auto-equipped with a modified stealth suit. The suti has increase opaqueness when moving, and a small amount of visibility when completely still. If the prisoner can hack out, sneak past the hordes of enemies (Put it say, on a branch of the HART building, unlock weapons in sanc, but turn off FF) and, if successful, they can reach the VR training, and get the exp from the weapons in the training.

Also, in order to make escaping even more incentful, give a LARGE XP bonus to whomever can complete the entire 'completed' checklist on thier training.


To make escaping possible, you need either the adv hacking, or hacking certification. Uncerted hacking grunts have to rot in prison, unless a friendly unlocks them.

Now, for incentive to the captor - Say X amount of enemies are imprisoned. Then, the empire that has that x amount of prisoners would start losing benefits. Increased OS timer, basically a restriction/lack of some CR abilities. And, should the number of captors get over 100, globals and continental broadcasts are disabled, unless on a locked continent, or in sanc, thus giving even MORE icnentive to lock a continent.

Just tossing ideas around, I dont expect anyone to like them.

Kyonye
2003-12-17, 08:29 PM
being a prisoner in a game i pay for where i can't do anything but sit there. hell no. i barely have enough money to pay for this game, i don't need to be sitting there inside a base and waisting my money.

Dharkbayne
2003-12-17, 08:40 PM
Make it so you'd need someone to guard, i.e., you have a REK and a knife, but nothing else when you respawn in your cell , and you'd have to break out, and if there were no guards, it's just a hack, and run, but if there were guards, you'd hafta be a little trickyer

DoomWarrior
2003-12-17, 08:43 PM
i'd commit suicide and respawn at my base

Spee
2003-12-17, 08:58 PM
DoomWarrior, your avatars muzzle flash was in perfect time with the Bass drum in the song Im listening to.

Fenrys
2003-12-17, 09:07 PM
This already exists. There's no fancy 3-d prison, just a bar counting down the time you have to just sit there before you can respawn.

RagingSpeedhorn
2003-12-18, 05:44 AM
If you want a POW situation then you got to make it fun for the prisoner, as well as being a disincentive. So how about:

You get locked up, (the enemy has to take your backpack to a holding cell) you lose 50% exp and you get removed from your squad, making it a pain in the arse if you do become a POW.

Once there, you are equipped with a Rek, pistol and infil suit. If it's unguarded, no problem, off you go and hack your way out. If it's guarded you have to either fight or use stealth. To stop spawn killing, the guards can only kill once you are out of the compound, however, they can 'capture' you and you get put back in the cell. Make the holding cell full of corridors and hiding places, so it's a kind of Metal Gear Solid experience.

Just an idea, some good, some bad, needs work.....

Flammey
2003-12-18, 06:59 AM
I'd take this idea, but change it slightly, Instead of nme's capturing people and putting them in prision, Prision is where people in this game go when they kill too many friendlies in a row. It has to be in a row. Because acccidents do happen.

But, it's just a thought.