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Veteran
2003-12-20, 11:38 AM
I heard a rumor that they'd be fixing the implant balance, but where is it?

This is my boredom-inspired ranking of the implants and a comment on each.

1. Surge. Easily ten times as powerful as the others, Surge is a testament of the naivete of the devs. It has no place in a game that uses CSHD.

2. Darklight Vision. This implant makes a whole segment of the population into your potential victims. Victims with no armor, no less.

3. TIE. Audio Amp and Advanced Targetting tie for this position. Both are awesome.

4. Personal Shield. This with rexo and health kits makes you a very hard target.

6. TIE. Range Magnifier, Melee Booster, Silent Run. These are niche implants that can easily be the cherry on top of certain templates. Range Magnifier can let you spy on a base and is beloved by snipers and Flail drivers alike, Melee Booster and Silent Run can be used to lethal effect by stealthers.

7. Advanced Regeneration. The existence of health kits and Medical makes this a loser when compared with the other implants. Dying isn't such a terrible thing in PlanetSide. Sometimes, it's the best way to get from point A to point B. Your squadmates aren't going to think you're Mr. Cool for healing your health by using an entire implant slot, and it's useless until it initializes, during which time health kits are fully functional.

8. Second Wind. Unless it's gotten a stealth-buff, this is the loser of the implant world. It takes a very long time to recharge, and is beaten in functionality by a quick health kit use. Granted, it can heal your stamina (despite the description) but when you only get three implant slots, this isn't going to be one of them.

The above list is drawn from my opinion and experience. If you have an opposing view, I'd be glad to hear it.

SilverLord
2003-12-20, 12:53 PM
Agreed. Give second wind some credit though man, that implant is far better than you think. I use that, surge, and DL and i'm very good with agile.

Veteran
2003-12-20, 02:38 PM
I'm surprised that you don't use Audio Amp. or Adv. Targetting in its place. Then again, Agile doesn't have a lot of room for medpacks. No disrepect intended towards Second Wind users, I just think the reset time is very long (among the longest implant reset times in the game).

It seems to me that if you could detect the approach of your enemy with Audio, you wouldn't need to fall back on the life/stam bonus from Second Wind. That's pure speculation, though.

Firefly
2003-12-20, 02:56 PM
Range Magnifier is worthless to snipers. The Bolt Driver already has an awesome zoom capability.

My favorite implants are: darklight, surge (to get me the hell out of Jackhammer range as a stealther), and a toss-up between audio amp and advance targetting. If the developers grow a pair of balls and get a clue and make Silent Run the counter to the Interlink counter, then I'll consider taking that as well.

I don't even really need audio amp. I have no need to spot someone on radar, and I just slap on my headphones and crank up the volume if I want to hear doors opening and bootsteps. But for those times when, as a stealther, its imprudent for me to reveal my cloaked location with darklight, I'll use audio amp to find pesky wanna-be infiltrators.

BDMJ
2003-12-20, 03:38 PM
If used properly, second wind is one of the best implants for rexo grunts. I think that the positions of second wind and personal shield should be switched. Stamina is key in this game because an immobile grunt is a dead grunt. Personal shield hits stamina directly, while second wind adds to it. Also medkits have a timer per use, second wind doesn't. With the right timing, it's like using two medkits simultaniously.

Audio implant is good, but with the right amount of situational awareness, it is worthless.

Acaila
2003-12-20, 04:01 PM
I am glad you give a bit of credit to Personal Shield. I have always felt it is the most underrated implant in the game. When used effectively, Personal Shield = win.

ZionsFire
2003-12-20, 04:42 PM
Personal shield+NC max shield=ownage

SilverLord
2003-12-20, 06:05 PM
I don't think you can use personal shield with a MAX, that would be uber hard to kill.

Unknown
2003-12-20, 06:08 PM
Second wind is not a bad compliment to Personal Shield. Personal shield drains all your stamina, second wind gives some back if it activates. The 2 biggest problems with it are the charge time, and the activation point, it doesn't trigger till you drop to 9 health. The trigger point isn't too bad, unless you are up against heavy hitters (jackhammer mainly) but the recharge time is just plain insane. Give it a 2 minute charge time and 1 minute recharge time between activations (30 seconds would be nice, if not a tad overpowered) and I'll be happy.

1024
2003-12-20, 06:10 PM
DL needs to be major nerfed. Make it so it has like a 5 second fade-on time, along with bring the down the brightness of the infiltrators. I feel so sorry when i can just flick on my DL and waste a victim with no armor and a pistol, with so little skill involved.

Lonehunter
2003-12-20, 06:34 PM
Advanced Regeneration is VERY usefull. Especially when you turn it on against a Jackhammer "WTF? I hit you 4 times! You should be dead!" Not today bitch. It's also very good for cloakers, you get shot and then find a place to hide, adv regen heals you up. Run out of med kits? Adv Regen. Friend hurt? give him you med and use adv regen. As a cloaker I have Adv regen, Silent run, and DL.

Lithpope
2003-12-20, 06:41 PM
Gotta agree, you are underating Adv Regen. Superbe for cloaks who catch a little friendly or enemy fire. Not bad in the field either, drop behind a rock, crouch regen and break out the BANK and you good as new. Granted, it has limited use in a base fight.

For those asking for a DL nerf, nuh uh, no way. You get jumped by a cloak with an amp you don't have much time to live unless you move, pop DL and start laying down some directed fire.


I regularly carry Adv. Regen, DL and Audio Amp as a grunt.

ZionsFire
2003-12-20, 06:50 PM
Last time I checked you could use personal shield with the MAX shield...

Searo
2003-12-20, 07:06 PM
Adv regen is extremely useful to snipers, roughly twenty times better than zoom. My (old) comp wasn't near good enough to have a draw distance of 12x. 8x was the extreme limits, so why do I need more zoom?

Bolts are so huge that you can't just carry 5 medkits, you need something to heal with. Adv regen heals you quickly and lets you take a second enemy sniper shot.

Warborn
2003-12-20, 07:07 PM
1. Surge. Easily ten times as powerful as the others, Surge is a testament of the naivete of the devs. It has no place in a game that uses CSHD.

Couldn't agree more. I wish they'd just get rid of the goddamn thing. Even if they make it so you can't Surge and gun, it still doesn't contribute anything good to the game.

Fenrys
2003-12-20, 07:11 PM
I've found the range magnifier to be most usefull while gunning a Magrider.

BadAsh
2003-12-20, 07:31 PM
DL needs to be major nerfed. Make it so it has like a 5 second fade-on time, along with bring the down the brightness of the infiltrators. I feel so sorry when i can just flick on my DL and waste a victim with no armor and a pistol, with so little skill involved.

I don't think this is such a game of skill that people think. In your example if you had not flicked on DL Mr. Naked/Defenseless would have planted a boomer on your ass and flicked a switch. That's pretty lame too... and neither the naked kill or the boomer kill display much skill IMHO.

PS is a game of rock-paper-sissors. Vistory depands on your current equipment lay out, vehicle, and the element of surprise.

1024
2003-12-20, 08:13 PM
I don't think this is such a game of skill that people think. In your example if you had not flicked on DL Mr. Naked/Defenseless would have planted a boomer on your ass and flicked a switch. That's pretty lame too... and neither the naked kill or the boomer kill display much skill IMHO.

You're telling me that placing a boomer behind someone, which alerts anyone near them to your precense, having to wait the 2-or-so seconds to get the trigger out, and the extra second to push the button, all while the your victim is stadning perfectly still, while you have no armor at all, takes no skill?

Plus if you get jumped by an infiltrator you can immedietly hit DL and turn around, spraying fire and dodging. It works, i barely ever use my DL when an infiltrator jumps me, no need.

Fenrys
2003-12-20, 08:42 PM
You're telling me that placing a boomer behind someone, which alerts anyone near them to your precense, having to wait the 2-or-so seconds to get the trigger out, and the extra second to push the button, all while the your victim is stadning perfectly still, while you have no armor at all, takes no skill?


Exactly. It takes luck and distraction. But it's still hella fun to do :p

BadAsh
2003-12-20, 08:44 PM
You're telling me that placing a boomer behind someone, which alerts anyone near them to your precense, having to wait the 2-or-so seconds to get the trigger out, and the extra second to push the button, all while the your victim is stadning perfectly still, while you have no armor at all, takes no skill?

Plus if you get jumped by an infiltrator you can immedietly hit DL and turn around, spraying fire and dodging. It works, i barely ever use my DL when an infiltrator jumps me, no need.

Well, when I play Infiltrator I either kill from behind or I get cold busted and ripped apart by HA and DL. Most MA and DL guys I can surge away from. A few times Rexos with personal shield have turned around after my back attack to kill me. That's pretty rare though.

And yes, placing boomers behind snipers, in spawn rooms, or in a doorway is about as talentless as it gets... that's almost as "skilled" as a Flail that just keeps spamming shots into a CY or a AMS mowing infantry or a Reaver owing snipers on a mountain top...

Rock-paper-sissors? Yes. Skill? No.

1024
2003-12-20, 08:45 PM
It takes...distraction.

But if they get distracted they run away...

Chaaos
2003-12-20, 08:53 PM
Well, I wouldn't call it skill... but an infl has to have alot of patience. I tried the infl suit and boomer line-up. Creap up on some mark... takes about 20 minutes to do :P then set down a boomer... run away and set it off.

1 kill for a hell of alot of work.

1024
2003-12-20, 08:55 PM
Exactly. Don't these guys need some lovin'?

BadAsh
2003-12-20, 09:34 PM
Exactly. Don't these guys need some lovin'?

I agree with that statement... SOE needs to fix that LL Radar bug ASAP and make silent run and crouch walking let you slip past deployables even if they have a LL Radar.

Speaking of LL Radar... personally I think it should only see heavy vehicles... not every freaking invantry, wraith, and infiltrator in your SOI... that's a bit much...

Rayder
2003-12-20, 10:05 PM
Personal shield can be used with MAXs, granted it's not useful against heavy fire, but it comes in handy in 1v1 situations, or when your assaulting a base and you don't want to take any damage.