AMD XP2700+ vs XP3000+

[Sentrosi]

Looking to make a jump from my old 2200+ to a faster processor. My motherboard does support up to a 3000+(333Mhz FSB), but looking at the prices of the 3000+ and comparing that to the price of the 2700+'s out there, I just don't see the major difference.

The 3000+ is rated at 2.167Ghz while the 2700+'s are rated at 2.17Ghz. Bear in mind that these are the 333Mhz FSB processors.

Pricewise, off of pricewatch.com, the 3000+ are going for around $175.00 and the 2700+'s are going for $108.00.

So, which is the better buy?

[Fragmatic]

Get a 2500+ (or a 2800+)

The 2700+ is a Thoroughbred-B core, and thus only has 256k of L2 cache, whilst a 2500+ or 2800+ have 512k of L2 cache because they are Barton core processors, which comes in handy.

Most of the unlocked barton 2500+'s can easily reach 3000+ speeds anyway

[Rbstr]

I think i would go for the 2800+ barton, or if you want to spen the extra get the 300+ barton. Thoroughbred = Evil!

[dscytherulez]

Meh, i got the 3000+, but if you plan on overclocking or just dont want the better end of the best, id get the 2800+. Don't even bother with the 2700+.

[Smaug]

Also if you are trying to look for an unlocked 2500 don't bother you wont find one anymore. I got a 3200 and I don't know why, I'm such a tard. It is unlocked though, and my new hsf should be coming soon, I'll have a little fun.

[Rbstr]

its easy to unlock a Barton, all you have to do is cross some briges and short some pins ther are tons of tutorials THG even has one

[Fragmatic]

yes, but you have to get rid of the coating over the bridges on the bartons, and you can seriously screw it up doing that.

[Smaug]

Yeah I wouldn't bother, unless you got a really low overclock.

[Fragmatic]

Barton 2500+'s do o/c well, they're the new 1700+'s :)

[Smaug]

Yeah they're really good, wish I knew more about this shit before I bought my new comp. But still you might get very unlucky and get a bad one.

[Fragmatic]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk

[Smaug]

Yeah what I'm saying is I wish I knew what I know now before I bought my new comp.

[NoSurrender]

personally id get the 2500+ i have it and love it. heres proof of what a midly overclocked 2500+ can do http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7405293 (my comp :) )

[Squick]

I am the world's largest AMD fanboi, I even own a significant amount of AMD stock (btw, which just jumped from $3 to almost $18 a share, yay me), I own seven AMD machines in my house, ranging from K6-2s to this machine, which is an XP2200+. But god, the benchmarks are not looking good for AMD!

I know quake is ancient, but look at this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030513/athlon_xp-12.html
P4 3.0Ghz 800Hmz FSB: 402.9 FPS $266
AthlonXP3000+: 316.5 FPS $289
AthlonXP3200+: 336.9 FPS $199

The benchmarks narrow on tests that are not multithreaded, but the AMD never beats the Pentium, and the Pentium is cheaper! AMD always was cheaper!

This sucks, my next system might actually be an Intel, I gota buy whatever is the best for the price.

[Daleon]

Q3a is the stupidest benchmark on the face of the earth. I don't even look at games that use that engine anymore. Its crap. oh, 300 fps vs 400 fps. Bah, plus that engine has always screamed on Intel chips since day one. It doesn't mean it runs slow on amd's. Just look at modern bench's and not something from the last century.

[Squick]

Q3a is the stupidest benchmark on the face of the earth. I don't even look at games that use that engine anymore. Its crap. oh, 300 fps vs 400 fps. Bah, plus that engine has always screamed on Intel chips since day one. It doesn't mean it runs slow on amd's. Just look at modern bench's and not something from the last century.

True, but it still saddens me that Intel is blowing away AMD in so many things, such as Quake, and expecially MP3 encoding, something that I just got done doing a lot of, ever since I got an MP3 player head unit in my car.

I won't be upgrading my system until the next set of chips is out anyways, but I really hope AMD can slaughter Intel soon.

[Rbstr]

when 64bit comes along(its not realy out even though it is...) for the very first few months AMD will be the best (and the only) untill Intels Yamhill thing comes out then we'll see

[Daleon]

Here you go Squick if you want Q3A bench's.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1941&p=8

AMD Athlon 64 3400+ 391.5 fps = $428
Intel P4 3.2 EE 412 fps = $900-$1000

Want to pay dbl the price for that?

[NoSurrender]

wow.

[Ait'al]

yes, but you have to get rid of the coating over the bridges on the bartons, and you can seriously screw it up doing that.
does this get rid of the need to scratch stuff off: http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/tra-03.html?mv_pc=3175

And bull Daleon you little lieing peice of crap. The regular Pentium 3.2 is only 385$ Go die somewhere! 8) Whats its bench HUH HUH? Thats right bitch, if you want to make the right comparison you have to use the 1200 dollar 3200fx to the P4 3.2 EE!! :p cheap ass

You and you amd loving ass make me ssssiiiiccckkk!!!! For your lies Intel will now crush AMD and its lieing ways!

[Fragmatic]

Either way, considering the athlon runs at 2.2ghz, screw intel

[Daleon]

Ait'al, put your hands in the air and step away from the crack pipe!

The regular P4 3.2 bench's 366.7 fps. So at an entire Ghz faster its 24 fps slower for about the same price. This was just to show AMD's new 64 chip and again how they continue to improve and come down in price. Can't wait for them to go 939 and watch everyone switch over. Then you and your precious Intel will be dropped into the fires of Mount Doom where they came from and destroyed forever!