Lancer Pwnz

[Spee]

Everyone bitched, whined and moaned about the lancer sucking. So, being myself, I certed AV, grabbed one, and went out into the field.


And I figured out WHY people hate the lancer - Its infinitly more situational than either of the other two AV weapons. If you're running around indoors with a lancer you're meat. However, outside, they ph33r my lancer.


Flail? 3 clips.
Lightning? 2 clips

Yes, that is a clip. But, considering the ROF and the indistinct sound it makes, the driver has no idea whats going on until its too late. Combine this with even mediocre skill with the bolt driver, and you can hit vehicle moving at top speed, and aircraft, as well.


I dont see what all the bitchings about. I think the lancer has the shortest TTK of all AV weapons.

[TeraHertz]

I've said it many times.
Fear my lancer.
:D

[Queensidecastle]

The lancer sucks. Flails are planted in the ground and Lightnings are easy to kill with anything. Currently the best AV is the Phoenix, followed by the Striker and I dont consider any of them actually good at blowing up vehicles. Good at chasing them away? you bet, but its the Decimators and other vehicles that steal your kills :mad:

[Spee]

Phoe is very fun to use, but has a shitty TTK. 3 reloads to kill a MAX, 1 clip of lancer to do the same thing.


Dont get me wrong. I love all AV weaponry, and am good at killing VEHICLES (read: not tanks) with them. However, I just <3 the lancer as it pwnz.

[Rayder]

Get a MAX outdoors with a straight line of sight, and the Lancer will beat the Phoenix. Sure, Phoenix can go over walls, but those rockets do take time to get to their destination, and what happens when your target moves? At least with the Lancer you get to laugh at them when they die.

[Rbstr]

Yeah i'f i can i try to pick up lancers if i don't have to go around or over something, it just does so much more damage in a shorter time. If i only have one shot of the three wepons its the pheonix because i'm almost assured a hit and it does the most damage in one shot.
They all still need more AV damage now that the vehicles are so uber.
(phoenix kills should be reffered to in clips too becsaue one shot is one clip i think some people don't realy get it)

[EVILoHOMER]

and after u shot 1 clip of the lancer ur dead so it sucks

[Rbstr]

if your stupid and try to get rite up next to the vehicle or max, if your at a decent range nobody but snipers and the few people that take MA can take you

[AztecWarrior]

Personally, never been hit with one as I'm a Reaver pilot. However, I wouldn't doubt that if you can sneak up on a vehicle, you can nail it. I took down a VS MAX once with Agile Armor and a Sweeper. He was at full health, too- the base was taken, and everyone was dead except me.

Skill can make you do anything. Except that guy with perfect aim, permanent surge, and the full-auto Bolt Driver. That's a hacker.

[noxious]

I agree the lancer is quite a good gun. However, it essentially costs me six certs to use (because I consider Rexo useless except when coupled with AV cert) and so, after they nerfed it's anti-infantry ability I dropped both certs for SA.

[Spee]

and after u shot 1 clip of the lancer ur dead so it sucks



Yeah. i dont call it the "AV sniper rifle of doom" because I get up close. 90% of the time when I use lancer, Im either engaging from the roof, or 200+ meters.

[MuNsTeR]

yeah i like it, when i go on my vs im either a grunt or a steatlh but i wub my lancer

[Seer]

Lancer is pretty delicate to use properly. Landing all 6 shots against a fast moving target at range is no small feat.

If you can do that, though, it's a wonderful weapon. You're also probably in the minority, since the majority of VS can barely point it in the right direction.

[Fenrys]

and after u shot 1 clip of the lancer ur dead so it sucks




Beautifully put.

The "Real Truth" is that TTK is not all important, but rather is simply an indicator of kills per death (how many people can you kill before you die?).


Death = downtime. The less often you die, the more time you spend in actual combat, wich means you will actualy do more DoT with a pheonix.

[Spee]

The "Real Truth" is that TTK is not all important, but rather is simply an indicator of kills per death (how many people can you kill before you die?).



Um, not really. TTK indicates how much time must elapse, if all your shots land, to kill the target. In close-quarters, pheonix in dumb-fire mode has a MUCH lower TTK than the lancer, simply because its soe asy to miss with it while running. However, at long distance, lancer will pwn the phoe in TTK, due to travel time of the missile.

[Katanaboy]

I think his point was that you die much less with a phoenix than with a lancer. Regardless of how far away you are, you'd statistically die more when using a lancer than a phoenix. With a line of sight to your enemy, it means they have a line of sight to you, thus you can get shot. Probably not gonna happen at that sort of range, but possible. With the phoenix, you can hide behind a base wall and still land shots onto your target, and even though it takes long to kill/reload, you can do so in the relative safety that none of the other weapons gives you.

[SandTrout]

Phoenix leaves you vunerable to many things that the lancer does not. You have absolutely no connection with your boddy while in flight with the missile, meaing you dont know you're geting shot, or have any idea what's around you.

In addition, the phoenix does not have the handleing of even a mosquito. You need some clearance to be able to turn towards your target if you're right up against a wall.

The lancer forces you to have LOS, but allows you to react to changeing conditions, like that guy comeing toward you with an MCG, or the infiltrator placeing a boomer under your ass.

[Veteran]

N3rf teh Lancare!11


j/k.. It's good to see someone praise a piece of tech.

[Krinsath]

The lancer is probably the best of the AV weaponry, even after getting it's AI damage taken away (back then, it was the only weapon you'd use). It requires a bit of skill to get the shots to hit right, but I think all the AV weapons require that to an extent. As the original poster mentions though, it's not all that great indoors.

I don't understand why people think the Lancer sucks though. Everything on it works just like it's supposed to. Not like the Striker that can't get a lock on the tank that's twenty feet away and not moving (which we keep hearing will be fixed...) or the Phoenix that makes you sniper bait (Trust me, I know...I look for Phoenix users when I'm sniping :D ). The weapon is lethal, and when combined with a range magnifier is quite good at clearing off any MAX suit that's foolish enough to set foot outside. Takes down wall turrets rather quickly on it's own and can even do a decent amount of damage to the tanks with it's quick time to target.

The only thing it DOESN'T do well is close quarters battle...and the Phoenix blows chunks just as badly in that one. So take your pulsar or what have you and rely on agility to get behind the MAX and take them out...you're probably VS if you're using a lancer so you really don't have to worry about the manueverability of the enemy MAX.

[TeraHertz]

and after u shot 1 clip of the lancer ur dead so it sucks

Favoutire:

Extended AV.
Dual Lancer, rexo, med tool (adv med) Pulsar. The rest is Lancer ammo.


Welcome to a whole new world of pain :p

12 shots, no reload >:)

[Madcow]

Phoenix leaves you vunerable to many things that the lancer does not. You have absolutely no connection with your boddy while in flight with the missile, meaing you dont know you're geting shot, or have any idea what's around you.

In addition, the phoenix does not have the handleing of even a mosquito. You need some clearance to be able to turn towards your target if you're right up against a wall.

The lancer forces you to have LOS, but allows you to react to changeing conditions, like that guy comeing toward you with an MCG, or the infiltrator placeing a boomer under your ass.

I started up an NC Emerald character specifically to try out the Phoenix, and in the right situations the danger level is almost zero. At one point I was alive about an hour just pounding Phoenix missiles outside the base we were defending and wiping VS MAXs off of a neighboring mountain.
When those situations don't arise, the Phoenix user is vulnerable but in larger groups of Phoenix users and snipers they still have pretty good odds statistically of surviving. My VS MAX got wasted by Phoenix users so many times I now go out of my way to watch the HUD and pinpoint where the red lines are coming from. The alt mode on the knife was made for the Phoenix user.

[TheRagingGerbil]

I have seen an increased usage of the Lancer over the last week or so. Used to be I could rocket spam to my hearts content when there were no Starfires around...not anymore.

I have even seen enough that I have started looting them again. O_

[_-Gunslinger-_]

A weapon is only good if it fits your playstyle. So if sitting back and sniping is your play style you would probably have the Boltdriver. However if you want to kill the vehicles you use a lancer in the same fassion. If your a grunt who likes the front lines you prolly have the pulsar or lasher. If you were to cert AV and play it like HA your are going to suck. So its not a question of wether or not a weapon is good its a question of "Does it fit your play style?"

[Lithpope]

I like the Lancer almost as much as my Stirker and is some situations, better ( great for sniping turrets). It is a good weapon, too bad it is not carried much, I would loot more of them and thier ammo if it was.

[Mudflap]

I had a VS character with lancer, AMS, CE, and sniper certs. I'd deploy an AMS in a good sniper position, set up deployables, and start the lightshow. If I had 2-3 more people with sniper and AV certs, we'd be tearing everything apart. If you like long range, get AV as VS. I could turn back troops with sniper and deployables, and turn back most vehicles, mainly by being on a steep hill with deployables everywhere, and by shooting them. You are vulnerable to the long range missile barage from a reaver of course, but who isn't?

[dscytherulez]

A weapon is only good if it fits your playstyle. So if sitting back and sniping is your play style you would probably have the Boltdriver. However if you want to kill the vehicles you use a lancer in the same fassion. If your a grunt who likes the front lines you prolly have the pulsar or lasher. If you were to cert AV and play it like HA your are going to suck. So its not a question of wether or not a weapon is good its a question of "Does it fit your play style?"

Heh, well said.