Spork watch: reply on surgile

[infinite loop]

This is the best news I've heard in awhile. I hated this idea from the second I heard it:

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I heard they might make Surgile so that you have to wear Rexo to use a HA weapon if they can't fix warping.
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FYI: The Design Team has pretty much ruled this suggestion out, whether the fix for warping alleviates the balance problem or not.
Victor Wachter
Community Relations Representative
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[Hamma]

Yea that was just one of the fixes, i hope they make it so you cant draw weapon at all with surge on

[infinite loop]

Yea that was just one of the fixes, i hope they make it so you cant draw weapon at all with surge on

I hated that idea the second I heard it too. :D

[Hamma]

hehe, either way we will be waiting until after they fix warping

[Rbstr]

I don't get the warping problem, but it would suck if i couldn't use my gauss while surging, make it so only MA weps have that limitation.

[WritheNC]

I wouldn't mind the "can't surge with a weapon out deal."

Surge is an extraordinarily handy defensive implant. I have little problem using it only to shoot someone then surge away from the rest.

[321]

Sweet having to get reinforced to use HA would be suck becuase it would take 9 certs to get HA.

[Neon Apocalypse]

keep surge as it is

[Rayder]

keep surge as it is

[Hamma]

uhh, no.

[Kikinchikin]

hamma hamma hamma... just because u get pwned by any n00blar around, doesn't mean you need to go on a nerfing spree for surge...

in fact, why dont u give it a try? *wink*

[Hamma]

I refuse to, i consider it an exploit not a "clever use of in game methods" or whatever the devs call it :lol:

[Sentrosi]

Not to bring T2 into this thread, but wasn't the Disk + Mine a "clever use of the game" exploit? If it was, then it led me to break my T2 disk in half.

[THrONeBeaST]

i like surge when im a cloaker and trying to run away :)

[xmodum]

I refuse to, i consider it an exploit not a "clever use of in game methods" or whatever the devs call it

[Cyanide]

I think the solution to the surge problem - aside from fixing warping - is to increase stamina drain depending on the type of weapon you're using. Rifle type weapon = 3x stamina drain. Pistol type = 2x.

That way you can still use surge with a weapon if you want to, but you're not going to own 4 people with it.

[Kikinchikin]

sigh hamma i must convert you to the dark side... muhahahahaha you shall see the light! :twisted: :father:

[Veteran]

When Surgile is gone, we can all have a good laugh at the flailing of those who milked it dry.

[MuNsTeR]

i dont really care cause i dont use HA

[Rayder]

If you havn't used surge, do not fucking say it needs to be nerfed because you get owned by people that do use it. Either you use it, say its overpowered, or don't use it and shut the fuck up.

[worldvengence]

HA is the best.....i havent found much use for surge other than getting my heavily armored arse to the other side of a cont......cant keep crosshairs on someone enough while using surge....

[Veteran]

Find your happy place, Rayder.

[Kikinchikin]

they wont nerf surge. too many people rely on it, it would upset the balance of the game (make people quit in extreme cases)

i think they will work hard on fixing the warping.

[Rbstr]

I don't care much, becasue i don't have HA, but bieng able to move fast is something that using MA weps almost requires

[Fenrys]

I've used Surge and droped it. It is cheating.

Surge makes you invisable. Not the cloaker predator-style heat-shimmer invisable, but with client-side hit detections, you are totaly invulnerable to anything but accidental damage. You can kill people before their computer tells them that you are there.

[KIAsan]

Folks, you may be missing the bigger picture here. Look at this comment closely "FYI: The Design Team has pretty much ruled this suggestion out, whether the fix for warping alleviates the balance problem or not."

If this comment is truely from the devs, then it is confirmation that they consider the Jackhammer problem a balance issue. They even go as far to call it a "balance problem".

Look to nerf bat being applied really soon.

[kreeten]

Dump the surgile......I agree, much heavier stamina drain, or unable to draw weapon while enabled.

[Kikinchikin]

jackhammer wont ever be nerfed. whiners have cried since release it aint happening.

[Rayder]

I've used Surge and droped it. It is cheating.

Surge makes you invisable. Not the cloaker predator-style heat-shimmer invisable, but with client-side hit detections, you are totaly invulnerable to anything but accidental damage. You can kill people before their computer tells them that you are there.
Well then you need to get a faster connection, cuz I have no problem hitting surglings.

[Madcow]

Well then you need to get a faster connection, cuz I have no problem hitting surglings.

:rolleyes:

Right, it's everybody's connection, and you're a better shot than everybody else. Now that we've got that solved the Devs can go cure AIDs or something in their free time.

[Rayder]

Damn right they better go cure AIDs.

[flypengy]

This topic has to have generated the most ideas, flames, and critiscisms in this game.

As an NC I will explain why finding alternate solutions to warping besides fixing the crappy prediction code will create such an utterance of unhappiness and empire hopping from NC that lasher 2.0 will seem miniscule.

The first thing that must be understood about the JH is that it relies on extremely close ranges to dominate. This is why 1v1 in a tower type situation the JH will conquer. However, most combat does not involve such extreme close ranges. That is why surge is the godsend of NC HA users. Surge allows a JH user to close into the optimum range so that the JH can acheive it's maximum effectivness.

Option #1: "A weapon can not be equipped while using surge" - How am I suppose to close the gap to make my weapon effective now? A TR or VS HA user simply has to crouch at the end of a hall or strafe left to right while an NC slowly trudges with his weapon firing to try to kill him. 1v1 the JH will lose. Well, you imagine you can surge without a weapon equipped at all and destroy them once you have closed the gap... Still, the damage that will be taken while your opponent is taking none makes the distance you've gained obsolete. You're forced to perhaps get a lucky triple burst in (which people also cry to have nerfed), but most likely you might get one shot off or simply none at all.

Second option: "Must have rexo to be able to use HA" - While a better solution than the first this still has a distinct flaw... Rexo is slow as shit. The ground that is neccesary to gain on your opponent is not feasible with the speeds allowed in rexo. The even bigger problem with this is that you can still warp in rexo! One bunny hop and you will still move abnormally across the screen.

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Warping is not induced by surge, surge just makes the warping amplified. I never hear people complain about warping cloakers or warping standards (you can warp just as easily straight out of the spawn tubes). But the above fixes are not acceptable. None of you can deny that the JH requires you to get near your opponent while if given the same situation with lasher or MCG user you're better to keep your distance (the lasher doesn't even lash inside 5m!!!).

The different HA's do their jobs. An entrenched VS force is far more formiddable than entrenched NC (remember the uber pounders?). While the NC are a far more aggressive weapon that is suited for close combat and assaulting. The TR take the middle road.

VS = defensive
NC = offensive
TR = balance of the two

Hamma: The spork's comment was not about warping, but about agile/HA. Reread.

[Queensidecastle]

The answer for option #1 is really really simple: Get Rexo and use the Gauss. Getting rid of surgiles will help get the game back to more of what it is supposed to be. You are not entitled to be able to use HA under all conditions. The game just isnt setup that way and the Surgile concept totaly exploits that fact. I am personally against requiring a weapon to be holstered to use surge because that type of nerf just isnt necessary. Quickly draining the Stamina for Surging with HA is the answer. That way you still can do it, but your going to have to plan it a lot more and actually think about what you are doing as opposed to all the idiots that eject over towers and surgile for a solid minute, oneshotting everyone with Jackhammer on secondary. This will force the people that love up front ownage with HA into the Rexo suit (movement rate is quite well balanced) because trying to do what they are doing now with free armor, will just result in getting owned

[Rayder]

If I'm not mistaken, all armors move the same speed with surge on, it's just that they drain stamina differently, so it seems like the lighter ones move faster but all they're doing is moving farther.

[Firefly]

That may be- Stamina drain should be increased dramatically in agile or reinforced armor, and even MORESO if you've got a weapon in your hand.

[Kikinchikin]

If you think it's just the NC who can do surgile, then you're very very wrong. I've owned many a people using surgile and MCG. In fact I went toe to toe with 2 very skilled players and beat them both. I don't like the jackhammer. I rate it as the last of the HA weapons. Give me my MCG any day, or if not a lasher or a maelstrom will do. The jackhammer is not my style man.

And I get warping sure. It frustrates me, but not enough that I want surge removed from the game or nerfed. It's not cheating, because it doesn't involve altering the game's content. (see agreement). When I kill 4 guys in a tower surging around with my MCG, I'm simply getting the better of them, while running faster (and having my stamina drain quickly). It IS a "clever use of in game methods," because the devs gave us surge, they gave us agile and they gave us heavy assault. Sooner or later they had to realize that someone would try this combo.

[flypengy]

I agree that you can do surge agile with any weapon, but surge agile with JH is better than surging with MCG and surging agile with lasher is hardly intelligent.

[shadow58]

Rayder try surging in reinforced armour, nowhere near as fast as agile and infil i'm sure. Drains stamina quicker as well.

[Kikinchikin]

Pengy what you say is opinion. And although more people probably agree with you than me, I would rather have my MCG than a JH.

[Firefly]

I'd rather kill a Jackspammer and use his Jackspammer to kill more of his buddies. Sounds more fitting that way, to die by your own empire's weapons.

[Queensidecastle]

A surging Infil can easily overtake a surging agile and a surging agile can easily overtake a surging rexo

[Ait'al]

Unless you throw a plasma grenade at them! 8\

[JFPhoenix]

I only use surge as a cloaker to catch up with guys to knife them in the back, I've heard of the surgile strategy but for some reason never tried to use it before. I guess the best way to deal with it is to make the stamina drain more when you have a HA equipped that way people can still have agile with HA.

[Gigabein]

It IS a "clever use of in game methods," because the devs gave us surge, they gave us agile and they gave us heavy assault. Sooner or later they had to realize that someone would try this combo.

The devs are not all-knowing and perfect. They did not cover every angle. This is a weak arguement. By your logic the game should have been balanced the day it was released.

[infinite loop]

I still have not seen a valid argument against surgile that doesn't mention warping. Warping is a very annoying problem, and when I get killed by someone who just warped around my screen I get pissed too. But it doesn't only happen with surge, it's a problem all on it's own. The devs have admitted multiple times that warping is a coding issue, and not caused by cshd or connection. If they can fix warping, then there is no need to nerf surge. If they can't, then they may have to take steps to reduce warping.

Veteran - why do you assume that surgile will be nerfed? I think it's pretty obvious that a large percentage of players use this, and would be equally upset by it being nerfed. Nerfs always cause people to leave the game, and this kind of nerf would be the most impactful yet. They won't do it for that reason. I can see them tweaking things, but a major nerf to surgile won't work.

pengy - I've used surgile lasher to great effect. You have to do alot more strafing than with a JH, but it still works great.

[Majik]

Using the surgile is just the players way of admitting that he sucks and has to use a known exploit to get any kills. I refuse to use surge and HA BECAUSE I know about the warping exploit. And everytime I get get 1 second killed by the noobhammer of someone that never fully appeared on my screen (usually about 20 times an hour in a good fight), I just remember that if the they were any good at the game they wouldn't have needed to vault over my head at mach 2 to kill me.

[infinite loop]

Using the surgile is just the players way of admitting that he sucks and has to use a known exploit to get any kills.

That's an incredibly ignorant stereotype. I can name plenty of players that use surgile who could kick 99% of the playerbase's collective asses with or without surge. I agree that the warping sucks, but it's not up to the players to fix it by not using surge. And not everyone who uses surge bunny-hops, because that is a bit of an exploit. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night bud.

[Queensidecastle]

That's an incredibly ignorant stereotype. I can name plenty of players that use surgile who could kick 99% of the playerbase's collective asses with or without surge.

No because when you hit them with a jammer from your thumper they are as easy to kill as an exposed infiltrator

[Madcow]

That's an incredibly ignorant stereotype. I can name plenty of players that use surgile who could kick 99% of the playerbase's collective asses with or without surge.

Then why aren't they?

[infinite loop]

No because when you hit them with a jammer from your thumper they are as easy to kill as an exposed infiltrator

Uhhh I think you missed my point. I'm saying that there are plenty of players that will kill you even without surge. So no, just because you jammer them, they are not an automatic kill.

[Queensidecastle]

no, I didnt miss your point at all. In my experience the Surgiles are for the most part just medocre players using an exploit. When you take it away from them, they are like deer in headlights. Sure there are some players that are just going to own, even with standard and a supressor, but that is about 1-2% of the surgiles not the vast majority of them. In fact they tend to be the most predictable players:

Ejectovertowersurgiledownstairsbunnyhoppingoverany onetheysee
getto2ndfloorrunbackuptocchack. Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat

[Laeritides]

no, I didnt miss your point at all. In my experience the Surgiles are for the most part just medocre players using an exploit. When you take it away from them, they are like deer in headlights. Sure there are some players that are just going to own, even with standard and a supressor, but that is about 1-2% of the surgiles not the vast majority of them. In fact they tend to be the most predictable players:

Ejectovertowersurgiledownstairsbunnyhoppingoverany onetheysee
getto2ndfloorrunbackuptocchack. Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat Rinse/Repeat


In this example the surging person dosn't kill anyone. They are not using HA. How does that fit into the "exploit" That is being discussed?

Now here is an example of what happens.

Equip HA surge into tower, jump when you get on the first steep of the stairs. Other players see you go over there heads first. then they see you in there face and then they are dead. turn left or right and kill the next guy who is still trying to find you from when you warped from the bottom of the stairs. Rinse/Repeat

For a added touch straf left and right before you jump. They never see it coming.

I do see this as a problem, I don't think they will be able to fix the warping. The best fix, IMO, is to make is so you can not use surge while a weapon is out. Also you should not beable to rearm your weapon right away after using surge. There should be a 1 sec or so delay.

[Queensidecastle]

In this example the surging person dosn't kill anyone. They are not using HA. How does that fit into the "exploit" That is being discussed?
I thought that was a given in this discussion

OK, the nerfing of surge arguments are starting to piss me off. Surging in Rexo and using heavy assault is not, nor has it ever been a problem. Surging in Agile is a completely different story, but people on this forum continue to come forth with this half baked wholesale nerfing of surge argument and it is getting really tiresome. Start thinking with your heads and come up with creative ways to solve what the real issue is.

It is not just Surge. There is nothing wrong with the surge implant and using weapons. It is when you combine Surge, with Agile (or standard) and heavy assault that a problem develops. It is not an acceptable situation to move as fast as an agile can while surged, nor is it acceptable how long they can sustain surge before having to rest. That is it So lets address those problems directly. Lower the speed, and increase the drain of stamina dramatically and no one else needs to be nerfed in the process. You can still shoose to be an Agile trooper, you can still be a Rexo trooper and didnt have a whole implant nerfed as a result

[Lithpope]

I find outdoors surge monkeys humorous, see them coming drop a spitfire back up a little and watch thier punk ass get chewed up, I may not be able to get them but my "second gun" wastes them. :rofl:

[Gigabein]

Lower the speed, and increase the drain of stamina dramatically and no one else needs to be nerfed in the process.

Yes. However, this should be approached carefully. Lower the speed first and gauge the effect it has. If the problem persists, increase the stamina drain but not dramatically. The goal is to keep Surge as a balanced option, and not nerf-bat it into oblivion with a knee-jerk reaction.

[Kikinchikin]

majick i guarantee i could own you with or without surge. I will pick up reinforced again just for u if u want so we can have a showdown. I played without surge for 6 months, i can certainly do it again. ur statement is generalizing the entire playerbase using surge, and is thus absolute garbage.
edit: to gigabein- thats not even related to what im saying. surge is not a balance issue. hell surge shouldn't even be the issue, warping should be. my point is that they put the three things in the game, so they must have assumed people would use it, but what they didnt know was the warping glitch.

I didn't start using surgile for the "cheap kill." I needed free cert space for other certs for my outfit's support. However if i ever find that I have 3 free points, reinforced will not be something high on my list to get back.

[Majik]

majick i guarantee i could own you with or without surge. I will pick up reinforced again just for u if u want so we can have a showdown. I played without surge for 6 months, i can certainly do it again.

Ok, good for you. There are alot of players who own me without using surgile. My question isn't can you own me without using the exploit, it is why don't you? Why cheat when you say you don't need to? Why not play straight against everyone, instead of doing it to prove a point to one player? If you don't need to use a "Tactic" that allows you to get more kills then you should based on a known video glitch why not play the game without using the exploit and show what a good player you are with out it always?

That was my point, and I stand by my assertion that MOST players who surgile are doing it BECAUSE they know it will get them cheap kills.

[infinite loop]

Ok, good for you. There are alot of players who own me without using surgile. My question isn't can you own me without using the exploit, it is why don't you? Why cheat when you say you don't need to? Why not play straight against everyone, instead of doing it to prove a point to one player? If you don't need to use a "Tactic" that allows you to get more kills then you should based on a known video glitch why not play the game without using the exploit and show what a good player you are with out it always?

That was my point, and I stand by my assertion that MOST players who surgile are doing it BECAUSE they know it will get them cheap kills.

I honestly don't believe the majority of surgile users do it to exploit warping knowingly. The primary reason for surge + HA is to close the gap between you and an enemy. Combine this with the element of surprise, and it usually equals a win in your favor, regardless of warping. As far as why don't we just give up surge until they fix the warping? That's the devs job, not mine. I pay to use any elements of the game I want, in whatever form is provided. If it's buggy, not my problem.

[Madcow]

I honestly don't believe the majority of surgile users do it to exploit warping knowingly. The primary reason for surge + HA is to close the gap between you and an enemy. Combine this with the element of surprise, and it usually equals a win in your favor, regardless of warping. As far as why don't we just give up surge until they fix the warping? That's the devs job, not mine. I pay to use any elements of the game I want, in whatever form is provided. If it's buggy, not my problem.

:rolleyes:

How about I believe how 'innocent' all of these warpers are when I'm in a tower that is being rushed and nobody hits jump on the stairs, mmmkay? How about when I actually send tells to them asking if they really need to purposely warp in order to survive they didn't send tells back that the devs know about it and aren't fixing it, so they're going to use it? Oh wait, that does sound familiar. Interesting.
Really, a lot of it comes down to people's feelings of inadequacy and cries for attention. When you think about it, it's no different than smoking in public in a large group of people who aren't smoking. Sure, it's your right to smoke there but it's common courtesy to find someplace that it wouldn't bother others. So your choices are: a) "Screw them, it's all about me." or b) Behave like a courteous human being.
The game is the same thing. Yes, you pay money to play. So do the people that you're purposely cheating in order to kill in the game. Why are you expected to have more right for your monthly fee than they are? The fact that they aren't exploiting doesn't mean they suck, it just means that they have more respect for other people than you do. Pretty simple, really.

[infinite loop]

Well, seeing as how I don't bunny-hop or do anything that I know causes the warping, I can't answer your questions. I'm just here to tell you I play with and and know plenty of surgile users that don't exploit the warp. I think it's cheap too, but I don't feel it warrants giving up surge altogether. You can warp w/o even having surge by the way, so let's not fool ourselves there. And I have no idea why I'm even discussing this anymore, I'm done.

[Madcow]

Straight up using surge while in agile isn't what people are having real issues with. You're defending a point which really isn't being attacked. The problem is that in game it appears that a majority of surge/agile users are purposely exploiting the warping for an advantage. Obviously there is warping without surge, and warping without jumping. Those warps are a fraction of the warps when combining surge and jumping, and more importantly nobody is trying to cheat in those scenarios. If the exploit is removed from the game, everybody is on a level playing field and everybody is experiencing the warping fairly evenly. Sure, it might suck to have somebody warp past you but just knowing it wasn't done on purpose would be enough to not really bother me so much.
Unfortunately, you are going to have the lameasses who are exploiting it which makes the game worse for everybody (except themselves, of course). So far SOE has been unable to fix the warping, and I'm pretty convinced that it's something beyond them to actually remedy. If they can't fix the problem, they can't fix the exploit. If they can't fix the exploit, we're left with people purposely using an exploit to gain an upper hand. In a game that is supposed to be priding itself on a level playing field and little to no cheating, that doesn't fly. If that means the removal of surge (which I use often with my infil) then do it. Whether it's temporary or permanent, whether it's just a change to the way surge works, whatever. They need to fix the loophole.

[infinite loop]

Yeah I have no idea why I felt like blanket defending surge, that's not my original reason for the thread. I'm defending the average surge user who doesn't want to see it nerfed. If they fix the warping, all is well. But if they remove surge altogether, I just think that will make people quit the game in droves. There has to be a better solution.

[Madcow]

I'm of the opinion that when things can be used to such a detriment to game play, then they should remove them. Maybe not permanently, but until they're comfortable with a fix. Pandering to the masses by keeping something ripe for exploitation in the game is just a bad idea. If the removal of surge would actually make any real impact on the player base, I'd be shocked. People might have to adjust their play styles, but there are constant game changes that make you do that. C'est la vie.

[dscytherulez]

Well then you need to get a faster connection, cuz I have no problem hitting surglings.

Actually, for once in my life, I have to agree with rayder about this subject. I don't have any problems with surgiles. I play all 3 empires, and I'm not biased towards NC either. Fixing the warping would be great, then less people could whine so much about it cuz theyre comp sux balls and they shouldn't even be playing PS in the first place. But stop there...no nerfing of weapons or implants should be done. I find it pretty stupid that to fix a problem that people with shitty comps have, the solution has to be ruin it for the people that never had the problem to begin with. Find the god damn middleman.

Fix the warping, stop the whining.

[Madcow]

People warp on my screen while I'm getting 30 fps in a battle, or while I'm getting 90 in a tower with few people in it. It ain't the comp. Good for you if you don't have the issue, or haven't noticed the issue, but that doesn't mean it's a shitty comp problem. It's not.

[Gigabein]

Actually, for once in my life, I have to agree with rayder about this subject. I don't have any problems with surgiles. I play all 3 empires, and I'm not biased towards NC either. Fixing the warping would be great, then less people could whine so much about it cuz theyre comp sux balls and they shouldn't even be playing PS in the first place. But stop there...no nerfing of weapons or implants should be done. I find it pretty stupid that to fix a problem that people with shitty comps have, the solution has to be ruin it for the people that never had the problem to begin with. Find the god damn middleman.

YOU don't have this problem, so it doesn't exist. Nice debate tactic. Stay out of the Political Debate forum please. People with good comps experience the problem too... or didn't you know that?

Fix the warping,
Agreed.

stop the whining.
No. The "whining" is actually called "player feedback". It is what the Devs use to improve their game.

[Kikinchikin]

Majick i already answered this quesiton in a previous post. I did not get rid of reinforced so i could get cheap kills with agile/surge. I did it to make room for support certs for my outfit. I used reinforced for 6 months. Read the rest of the post before posting next time.

[Jagd]

Yeah, a lot of people wind up dropping ReXo at higher levels when they start to realize how handy the equipment skills and support vehicle certs are. It's not just because we like to surge in agile, but because if you carry a sweeper, there is still room for plenty of shotgun and repair ammo, as well as a couple of decimators in the backpack.

[Riyu]

Yeah...

I'm one of those people that dropped Rexo... I used to primarily only use Rexo for the 2nd rifle slot. But then I realized that for the cost of armor, I can get Special Assault, I ended up doing that and learned to switch weapons from inventory...

[dscytherulez]

YOU don't have this problem, so it doesn't exist. Nice debate tactic. Stay out of the Political Debate forum please. People with good comps experience the problem too... or didn't you know that?


Agreed.


No. The "whining" is actually called "player feedback". It is what the Devs use to improve their game.

I don't partake in political debates because I hate politics...why would I want to? I guess my comp has magical powers...seeing as how it in itself can just make this whole "warping" problem invisible to my eyes. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I'm just blind. I dunno...

AND YES...there is a HUGE difference between player feedback and whining. Player feedback should, and usually does, come in the form of a question or well formed, non angry comment involving personal experience and dissapointment. Such as: "I've seem to have been having problems with such and such. Is this happening on a wide scale, and if it is, when can we expect it to be fixed?"

Whining however, usually and almost ALWAYS, comes in the form of "IT DUZNT WORK ON MY COMPUTER, FIX IT YOU Fing RETARDS!" or "N3RF THIS CUZ I SUCK WHENEVER I USE/SEE/AM AROUND IT!!!!1111oneoneone"

There are some honest people on here that I definately believe have been having this problem REGARDLESS of their system. There are also some idiot smacktards, roughly 1/2 or more of this argument, who either jumped on the bandwagon because they get killed by surgiles a lot, or just plain hate the NC alltogether and wish to see them nerfed the most, and just never even used surge so it won't affect them in the least.

This is why I again reach my conclusion:

Fix the warping, stop the whining.

[xmodum]

i didnt read all the posts , so i dont know if any1 said this ....
they should make it where u can only use it while ur gun is hostlered , if u pull anything out then it automaticly turns off, if u hit the surge button ur weapon has to be hostlered to use this would help from the shooting while warping behind some1 , but also give the guys that see them warping a chance to turn around while the surgiles warp behind them and pull their weapon out , also would be good for infills

[Queensidecastle]

Just to pipe in here since its been brought up. I havent seen 1 single warp since the patch where the Devs said they Fixed some of it. I dont doubt it is still happening to some people, but it sure isnt happening to me. So whatever the Devs did certainly fixed it for some people

[Lonehunter]

I'm totally agreeing with Hamma on this one. Right now, you need 6 certs to own HA, once you get a couple more BR's you have surge. With this addition, you will have to have 9 certs. Technicly this is a good thing for the NC, becouse then nobody can call them n00bhammers.

[Rayder]

Really though, what the hell does warping look like now? It used to be going up a flight of stairs and *POOF!* he's next to you. Now it's he goes up a flight of stairs and he's still going up it.

[Heavygain]

I dont think surge is the main problem, its quite easy to counter. Simply turn on your surge and backpedal and unload with a medium range weapon. but i do think the jackhammer take the surge a step too far.

[Rayder]

Surge doesn't work going backwards.

[infinite loop]

i didnt read all the posts , so i dont know if any1 said this ....
they should make it where u can only use it while ur gun is hostlered , if u pull anything out then it automaticly turns off, if u hit the surge button ur weapon has to be hostlered to use this would help from the shooting while warping behind some1 , but also give the guys that see them warping a chance to turn around while the surgiles warp behind them and pull their weapon out , also would be good for infills

No.

[infinite loop]

I dont think surge is the main problem, its quite easy to counter. Simply turn on your surge and backpedal and unload with a medium range weapon. but i do think the jackhammer take the surge a step too far.

FYI - Surge doesn't work while backpedaling (sp?). It only works going forward, or forward diagonally.

[Kikinchikin]

lonehunter, do you know something I don't? Cuz by the way you were talking, it sounded like they were definitely implementing the "youhavetohaverexotohavesurge" thing. can u clarify please?

*please God don't nerf my surge* :scared:

[JakeLogan]

I have a simple solution to all of this. AXE Heavy assault Jackhammer, Mini Chain-gun and lasher throw them out I know I would be happy :D

[Kikinchikin]

:banplz:

:D

[JakeLogan]

:stoppost:

[Kikinchikin]

lol im kidding b00n :)

[Veteran]

Removing Surge would be a direct parallel to the implementation of the 24 second clock in basketball.

You shoulda seen 'em whine when they made the rule that you have to carry the ball up-court in a given time. Before that, the game degenerated into a stupid form of keep-away. Banning that improved the game to what you see today. It's just like the pro-Surge faction's love of their ludicrously broken asset.

[JakeLogan]

as was I

[Ait'al]

You guys realize this warping things happens in other games too But in them its a lag issue, like in diablo2 when you dont have the system requirments. Either way i has to do with the graphics/code combo. The thing that sets it off is not the problem. Its just something in hte game that can set it off.