hfs....

[Everay]

http://www.missouri.edu/~bam8cd/apache.mpeg

Warning, i have seen combat footage from WW2, and normandy, and alot of other bloody things, and infact, i want to be a apache pilot, i plan on going to west point, or at least attemting to, but, after i saw this video, i really question if i can do that.

[EineBeBoP]

O_ ...wow.

is that "white" stuff on the ground around the bodies a representation of blood?
(i know its not really white, but appears to be in night-vision.)

[Everay]

not a representaion, it is whats left of him

[Jaged]

That is modern "war".

[Onizuka]

I don't want to watch these things. This leads me to say I could never fight in a war.

[Corrosion]

Wow... what gun is that?

[Spee]

JESUS. What kind of gun were they using? the 400mm deathcannon finger o' god?

[Everay]

dont think anything less of ya for it, were prolly idiots for watching it. just like i wouldnt watch any execution, like that david parry one, i was listening to a internet raido show, he watched it, and discribed it, and i know, there are some things, ill see, that others wont want to, but then, there is shit i dont ever want to see.

person im talking with on TS says that the apache primary gun, which is attached to the piolts eye, so it aims where he looks, is a 30mm recoilless chaingun.

makes you wonder really, they have been using such guns since WW1.

[Squeeky]

Holy fucking shit that was intense. Keep in mind these guys are probably fucking terrorists.

[Everay]

or iraqis, i tryed looking into it, its a video on a universitys website, im guessin that some student uploaded it, because you cant find it on the page, but its there on the index.

[Squeeky]

Man, i can't stop watching that vid. It's insane :o

[Everay]

trust me, if i give a video, and i say it affects me in anyway, and its about war, you consider twice before clicking.

and i asked the person who posted it on my outfit webpage for a lil background if he knows any, ill post what he says when he does.

[Spee]

Is it a sign of me being jaded that I get absoloutly no emotional reaction, be it entertainment or horror from that clip?


Cause its like watching a cereal commerical to me.

[Corrosion]

:huh:

[Spee]

Desensitization sucks, you dont need to tell me.

[xmodum]

Is it a sign of me being jaded that I get absoloutly no emotional reaction, be it entertainment or horror from that clip?


Cause its like watching a cereal commerical to me.
same for me , i have fears, but i dont not care for scenes of bloody or real life death situations, i want to go to the marine core when i finish high school, and i guess u could call me that crazy guy with the 50 cal running in the middle of the street yelling "die u commie bastards!!! ahahahahahahah!!!! die!!!!! die fuckers!!!!"
this was quite a humarous piece of video, plz post more :D

[worldvengence]

the reason the gun looks like Finger o' god...lmao is because Apaches are sometimes loaded with demo tiped bullets....IE boom....hahahahahaha

[Everay]

eh, i looked into it. no info, he doenst know, he just found it browseing through folders.

[ghost018]

It's too bad they died, but they probably wouldn't have considered you and your family if they had the chance to blow you away.

ghost

[Everay]

you know what i think it is, ive never seen a video now that i think about it, where they show a person getting killed, ive seen videos of the dead already, but never them getting killed.

[Seer]

It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.

[Dharkbayne]

hfs, that freaked me out, where the guy is crawling, and they just blast him

[worldvengence]

some ppl are cut out for combat...and come arent....but i bet a wk in Marine boot camp would change u ppl

[Dharkbayne]

Erm... a week in boot camp won't train you to completely BLOW UP unarmed people, crawling on the ground.

[worldvengence]

no, but the first wk of marine boot camp is constant torture from dill instructors.....it will....desensitize u.

[Squeeky]

Jan. 9 -- Graphic video footage from the gun camera of a U.S. Apache helicopter provides a window into the rules of engagement that often determine life and death in Iraq.

The video, obtained by ABCNEWS, shows grainy images of three Iraqis on the ground handling a long cylindrical object that the helicopter pilots believe is a weapon.

The pilots, from the Army's 4th Infantry Division, ask their commanders for permission to engage, then take the three men out one by one, using the Apache's devastating 30 mm cannons.

Nighttime Scene

The video opens with the helicopter tracking a man in a pickup truck north of Baghdad on Dec. 1, one day after the 4th Infantry Division engaged in the bloodiest battles with Iraqi insurgents since the end of major combat.

The pilots watch as the man pulls over and gets out to talk to another man waiting by a larger truck.

"Uh, big truck over here," one of the pilots is heard saying. "He's having a little powwow."

The pickup driver looks around, then reaches into his vehicle, takes out a tube-shaped object that appears to be about 4 or 5 feet long, and runs away from the road into a field. He drops the object in the field and heads back to the trucks.

"I got a guy running throwing a weapon," one of the pilots says. Retired Gen. Jack Keane, an ABCNEWS consultant who viewed the tape, said the object looked like a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, "or something larger than a rifle."

The pilots check in with their operational commander, who is monitoring the situation. When they tell him they are sure the man was carrying a weapon, he tells them: "Engage. Smoke him."

The pilots wait as a tractor arrives on the scene, near the spot where the pickup driver dropped the object. One of the Iraqis approaches the tractor driver.

Then, within minutes, the Apache pilots open fire with the heavy 30 mm cannon, killing first the Iraqi in the field, then the tractor driver. The pilots then fire at the large truck and wait to see if they hit the last of three men.

When he rolls out from under the truck, one of the pilots says, "He's wounded."

The other pilot says, "Hit him," and the Apache opens fire again, killing the man.

The Apache fires nearly 100 30 mm cannon rounds in all.

Engagement Called Justified

A senior Army official who viewed the tape said the pilots had the legal right to kill the men because they were carrying a weapon. He said there were no ground troops in the area and if the Apache pilots had let the three Iraqis go, the men might have gone on to kill American troops.

Keane agreed. "Those weapons were obviously not being pointed at them in particular, but they [the three Iraqis] are using those weapons in their minds for lethal means and they [the Apache pilots] have a right to interfere with that," he said.

Anthony Cordesman, an ABCNEWS defense consultant who also viewed the tape, said the Apache pilots would have had a much clearer picture of the scene than what was recorded on the videotape. He also said they would have had intelligence about the identity of the men in the vehicles. "They're not getting a sort of blurred picture. They have a combination of intelligence and much better imagery than we can see."

As to whether the Apache pilots could have called in ground troops to apprehend the men, Cordesman said: "In this kind of war, wherever you find organized resistance among the insurgents, you have to act immediately. If you wait to send in ground troops almost invariably your enemy is going to be gone."

Army officials acknowledged that the 30 mm cannons used by the Apache gunners were far bigger than what was needed to kill the men, but said it is the smallest weapon the Apaches have.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/apache_video_040109-1.html

Erm... a week in boot camp won't train you to completely BLOW UP unarmed people, crawling on the ground.

Read the above article, liberal shithead.

[ghost018]

liberal shithead.

:clap:

[Rbstr]

Man those iraqis got owned.

They had this on the 5 o'clock news today, that white stuff i would assume it debris that got kicked up, with a small amout of splatered iraqi.

This stuf shouldn't be on the news, i wonder who though it was a good idea.

[worldvengence]

the camera is IR....so as someone said before....that is what is left of the iraqis....and some gas from the engines....

[Derfud]

Yeah, it's more like a shooting gallery.

[Squeeky]

on another note, this is what happens when idiots fly apaches:

http://www.rotorcraft-tech.com/apache.avi



"you think i can make it through thur?"

"nope"

"aw, yeah i can! look at how wide that is"


"OH SHIT"

"GET IT UNDER CONTROL PARTNER"

[worldvengence]

they look like that game where u shoot the moving ducks...lmfao

[Rbstr]

the tracers and bullets are hot to so thier fragmants show up, and thers alot of friction when a big bullet hits something, and they are explosive tiped

[worldvengence]

ya,...the immediate white is demo tip explosion...but the residual heat dissipation wouldnt be caused by that....that second vid. is hilarious

[Dharkbayne]

2nd vid, rofl, that guy got pwnxt

[worldvengence]

ah...this is what we have over there protecting us....a bunch of half crack morons who cant even fly the heli....hahahahaha

[Everay]

i wouldnt call Darkbayne a liberal shithead, i watched the video twice, once normal speed, and the other i slowed it down, i didnt hear too much of the audio, and i didnt see any weapons, however, i belive the artivle you gave us to read, now that i read it, i feel better about it.


BTW, how in hell did you manage to find that report sqeeky? damn, your the god of the internet...err, finding things on the internet.

WTF? i have to pay to see the video they have there on the ABCnews site.

[Squeeky]

Everay, i AM the god of the internet, your right. This must have slipped through the cracks on my cool video detection screen, thx for picking it up :)

[Everay]

apparently, the first video i posted here was cropped, the begginging wasnt there, if you could find the entire video squeeky, thatd be cool

[Neon Apocalypse]

i would probably do that

just think of it in this point of view...if they had the chance to do that to you they would...so its like trying to survive...in a way

[Firefly]

The Apache's 30mm cannon fires a high-explosive incendiary round. It's designed to burn and blow things up. That's what makes it lethal. An Apache is a vehicle killer. You don't shoot at a vehicle with standard bullets. You kill vehicles with rounds that blow up, or ignite their fuel supply. And if a couple of Iraqis were dropping off a long cylindrical thing, you're damn right they're going to get lit up.

Soldiers in Iraq are dying from weapons called "Improvised Explosive Devices". Typically, they are artillery shells with pressure detonators. An artillery shell is just this size, and if I were that pilot, I'd fuck those dudes up too.

[Squeeky]

I.E.D's (as the soldiers refer to them as) are usually placed on the side of roads in hopes of ambushing an american convoy. Similar tactics are used by Chechyian rebels.

[Firefly]

And Palestinians.

[Squeeky]

Just showed this to my mom. She is all "Holy crap the guy just exploded......sweeet"

[Firefly]

I don't think the guy exploded. The shadows you see are a combination of gronud debris (dirt), munitions "splash", and the body. There were bodies left, and I think the ammo would have simply passed through the body rather than detonate inside. The only reason I suspect this is the case is because during Somalia, US troops had problems with their ammo going through bodies- this includes Mark-19 40mm grenades. The end result is death, but explosive projectiles require something a little more harder than human flesh to detonate.

[Dharkbayne]

Ummm... If the bullets go through them, they still hit the ground, RIGHT UNDER THEM, boom

[Firefly]

That doesn't explode their bodies, brain. We're not talking about movie explosions with big fires and loud bangs and nuclear mushroom clouds.

[Rayder]

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n.
An explosion.

Really though, exploding is different than getting blown up. When you explode, your body is getting torn apart from inside of itself. When getting blown up your ass is getting hit by explosives causing you to get knocked down, incinerated, blown apart, etc.

[Dharkbayne]

Well, I'm pretty sure the dude on the ground got blown up,

[Rayder]

They were all on the ground....

[Dharkbayne]

I mean the one who was crawling on the ground, after he got hit

[Squeeky]

Course he did. What got me with the first guy is if you watch it frame by frame the first 4-6 rounds miss hitting him directly, but i'm sure he took lots of shrapnel. And then as he is falling to the ground the gunner gets 3-4 direct hits and totally implodes him.

[EarlyDawn]

Is it a sign of me being jaded that I get absoloutly no emotional reaction, be it entertainment or horror from that clip?


Cause its like watching a cereal commerical to me.Yeah, same.

[Rayder]

Course he did. What got me with the first guy is if you watch it frame by frame the first 4-6 rounds miss hitting him directly, but i'm sure he took lots of shrapnel. And then as he is falling to the ground the gunner gets 3-4 direct hits and totally implodes him.
Totally implodes him? So, they made him collapse into himself?

[Everay]

guys, dont be grammar nazis.

[Squeeky]

Exactly!

[Rayder]

I'm not, I'm just wondering if Squeeky knows what he said. Because it makes odd sense.

[Squeeky]

He fell into himself! MAUHAHA

[Everay]

that how fuckin powerful americas army is, we have weapons that make people implode!!!

[Squick]

Hey, you gun nuts... How does the mm of a weapon compare to the calibur? They aren't they same thing are they? Because I have seen like a 1.74mm rifle, and a 50 cal rifle... I know the 50 cal rifle bullet is about five inches long and as thick as your thumb.

What does calibur and "mm" mean when talking about a bullet?

[Seer]

Caliber refers to the diameter of the bullet, not the length. A 30mm bullet, which is one huge-ass bullet, is 3 centimeters across. 3 centimeters!. You saw what it did to the truck.

1.74 mm bullets don't exist. 7.76mm is the NATO round, I think.

[Mr1337Duck]

Here's how I see it. The terrorists wouldn't think twice about killing you, your family, and every goddamn person in our nation. They want to kill us "infidels", and don't care how they do it. Law enforcement, Military, Innocent bystanders, hell, they don't care, they hate us all. Us, we eliminate the threat and don't go killing their family and friends for no reason whatsoever.

These are combatants, they expect that they can and very well may be shot and killed. Just like our guys. Difference is, we're the good guys, and they want to kill us.

[Rayder]

1.74 mm bullets don't exist. 7.76mm is the NATO round, I think.
5.56

[worldvengence]

There are 5.56 NATO Rounds...and those are comprable to a .223 Cal. Remington round....they also have 7.76...for larger weaponry...heavy assult rifles...and .50 cal is a beast

[Everay]

7.76 was used mostly by the commies, since thats what the AK47 and kalashnikov weapons use, however, china is equiping its troops with a new clunky crapy gun, that uses the 5.56 rounds now

[Ait'al]

BTW, how in hell did you manage to find that report sqeeky? damn, your the god of the internet...err, finding things on the internet.

WTF? i have to pay to see the video they have there on the ABCnews site.

He is in no way an internet god, he just has way to much time on his hands and realized every news site had hte exact same thing and done all have the thing on htem that stops you form getting it on the other site. 8\

And there not terrorists! There Iraqis, whatever that means. either way THEYRE NOT TERRORIST AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BLOW UP AMERICA YOU BRAINWASHED NITWIT. Im not saying anything about the situation but damn man, think!!! STOP WATCHING THE NEWS!! The president isnt god and the pentagon isnt filled with the angels of heaven!!!!

Sadam Hussein may have had a beard for a day but hes not Bin Laden. The terrorist are AL Queda not IRAQ!!!! Figure it out!!!

[Firefly]

Some countries use "millimeter" and others use "caliber". It's a different system of measurements. Like meters versus yards. One is metric and the other is standard (ie US). Many Russian weapons are a direct counter or knock-off of US weapons. The Russian heavy machine gun is called "12.7mm DShK" but it's the same thing as a fifty-cal. In terms of bullet size, that is.

Caliber is the U.S. (English) measurement in inches of the diameter of the bullet. A 45 caliber firearm shoots a bullet that has a diameter of .45 inches. It can also be the gun's bore measured in inches. Thus a fifty-cal round is half an inch wide. At one time caliber was a measurement of the case diameter instead of the bullet diameter as it is now.

Millimeter is the same measurement as caliber except it is expressed in metric. Here's the magic number - 1 inch equals 24.5 millimeters. For example - what caliber is a nine mil? Setting up the ratio of 1 inch is to 24.5 millimeters as "X" is to 9mm, the answer is .367 caliber. Just slightly (.01inches) larger than the .357 or .38 (which are the same size, in fact).

PS: I am not a gun nut, just a well-learned soldier who takes pride in knowing his shit.

[Hezzy]

I have to agree with Ait on his second and third points. Iraq posed no threat to the world. Tony Blair spouted propaganda about there being chemical weapons in Iraq.

That's all it was. Propaganda. There are NO chemical weapons in Iraq. Scores of people died for no reason, or atleast, no reason I want to acknowledge.

[Firefly]

I have to agree with Ait on his second and third points. Iraq posed no threat to the world. Tony Blair spouted propaganda about there being chemical weapons in Iraq.

That's all it was. Propaganda. There are NO chemical weapons in Iraq. Scores of people died for no reason, or atleast, no reason I want to acknowledge.
Actually, there's some report out that Dutch soldiers have found mortar rounds that MAY (not confirmed) contain blister agents, which is a chemical weapon. And while that may or may not pan out, I might be inclined to agree that there are no MORE chemical weapons in Iraq because they USED them all already on the Kurds and second-class Iraqi citizens.

Iraq *DID* pose a threat to the world, in addition to its own people. If we'd left the Iraqi government unchecked, they could have rebuilt their armed forces and gone rolling back into Kuwait AGAIN. They could have attacked Iran AGAIN. They could have launched missiles at Israel AGAIN. They could have wiped out more Kurds AGAIN. They could have attacked Turkey, a NATO ally. They could have fought with Syria. Are you sensing a pattern here?

And furthermore, I'm guessing you've never heard the slogan "Never Again". It's the slogan that the civilized world came up with after World War Two. It means "Never again are we going to allow ethnic cleansing." Ask any *** what it means if you don't know. Compare the plight of the Kurds with that of the 40s-era European ***.

There's that Kurd thing again. YOU may not care about the Kurds, and their near-annihilation at the hands of Saddam Hussein. YOU may not care about the right to survive and prosper. YOU may not consider that a reason to acknowledge, but what that says to me is that you're a typical ignorant self-absorbed person, oblivious to the plight of the world around them. Ethnic cleansing and wholesale large-scale mass murder bordering on genocide. That's a DAMN good reason to acknowledge.

[Rayder]

Does NATO actually make the larger weapons they use?

[Everay]

i couldnt have put it better firefly.

and what do you mean by "larger weapons"?

[Mr1337Duck]

Actually, that's not really the civillized world. Mostly Israel. The **** got the crap kicked outta them in WW2, that's why they build nukes, actively kill terrorist leaders, etc. They see an enemy and a way to terminate him, they don't fuck around, they bring in a gunship and blow the shit out of him.

[Firefly]

Does NATO actually make the larger weapons they use?
NATO doesn't make anything. NATO is an "alliance" of countries. Each nation's military brings its own gear to a fight.

"NATO-Standard" means that's primarily the standard among the various nations of NATO. But since the Bulgarians and Czechs and other former Soviet-bloc countries still use Russian equipment, that's kinda old, moot, and useless.

[Rayder]

So then yes, NATO does make things.

[Firefly]

No. NATO does NOT make things. There is no "NATO manufacturing plant".

I am in the Army. I make furniture for my house. The Army does not make furniture for my house. I am in the Army. I make sharp walking sticks when I go to the field. The Army does not make walking sticks.

[kreeten]

First of all, Get with it America! You guys are the ONLY major industrialized country in the world not to accept the metric system. Secondly, although I hate to see any U.S. or coalition troops killed, it should have never happened. Yes Hussein was a threat to his own peeps and direct neighbors, but we all know why the U.S. invaded Iraq.....black gold.......there a dozen or more countries in the world where this same dictatorial regime exists. But does the U.S. intervene? nope. Lastly, seems to me that the only way the U.S. win any battles since Vietnam is by overpowering their enemies with their superior technology or by sheer numbers, not tactics.

[Rayder]

And your point is? War is about having the better equipment and more numbers. Not about tactics. Maybe back in the day when guns weren't invented yet tactics mattered, but not now, only in small squad operations.


Fly, how do you know the army doesn't make furniture and walking sticks? Hmm? If all the countries in NATO make something, that would be NATO making something wouldn't it? They have standards, they make guns to fit the NATO standard, so wouldn't NATO be making these?

[Mr1337Duck]

No shit, really? We've got tactics, but we don't have tactics like what you think of. You expecting some formations, front line coruches, second line stands? Get with it, we see the enemy base, we don't stick our guns through the windows or just march through the door, we fly a gunship in and blow the shit out of it.

Think about it this way, you're fighting some guy who's trying to kill you. You pull a beretta, he draws an MP5 and blows you away. It wasn't unfair that he had it, he had the hardware, you didn't. You lost, too bad for you.

The use of technology doesn't mean you aren't as good, it means you're better. We don't have to use the stereotypical battle methods and trench warfare. We've got gunships, we've got bombers, etc. How would you prefer it happen?

[Rayder]

From our own country launching bombs and not giving a shit what we hit.

[Acaila]

Pffft, spray and pray.

[SDM]

http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/inbefodalock.jpg

[Rayder]

What-The-Fuck

[FlakMan]

:rofl:

[Mr1337Duck]

No, ray, not before guns, think closer, like the revolution. They couldn't reload quickly, you fire like 2 shots per minute, every shot counts. That requires coordination for the soldiers to fire at just the right moment. Now, you've got assault rifles, 30 round clip, 900 rpm, reloads in like 5 seconds. You can blast away, it doesn't matter.

[I Hate Pants]

I have no sympathy for terrorists at all.

Altohugh its a damn shame that some of you guys are sucking this video in as pure enjoyment. I wish they had a coloured and closer view of the carnage that went on the ground. You guys would start to piss your pants and cry once you saw the red blood and organs flying in the air.

I wonder if you guys even bother to wonder how loud that guy who was wounded on the ground was sreaming?

Alot fo you guys say "war is hell". But know nothing about it.

[SDM]

Alot fo you guys say "war is hell". But know nothing about it.
No. I'm not an actual soldier, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[Squeeky]

I wonder if you guys even bother to wonder how loud that guy who was wounded on the ground was sreaming?


Who the fuck cares? I hope that stupid asshole was screaming bloody murder. He is an iraqi soldier handling weapons that would have been used against US Soldiers had he not been killed. So suck my nuts, here, i'll even dip them in marinara for some flavor.

[SkunkPunk]

:boohoo:

*edit* hey isnt tekdragon over in iraq or something like that?

[Rayder]

No, ray, not before guns, think closer, like the revolution. They couldn't reload quickly, you fire like 2 shots per minute, every shot counts. That requires coordination for the soldiers to fire at just the right moment. Now, you've got assault rifles, 30 round clip, 900 rpm, reloads in like 5 seconds. You can blast away, it doesn't matter.
If by revolution, you mean the American Revolution, then no. The Colonial side just got behind as much cover as possible (because they were smart), shot and ducked. The British lined up. First line! Fire! Down! Second line! Fire! Down! etc.

[SDM]

If by revolution, you mean the American Revolution, then no. The Colonial side just got behind as much cover as possible (because they were smart), shot and ducked. The British lined up. First line! Fire! Down! Second line! Fire! Down! etc.
*fade in* It's called guerilla tactics *fade out*

[I Hate Pants]

Who the fuck cares? I hope that stupid asshole was screaming bloody murder. He is an iraqi soldier handling weapons that would have been used against US Soldiers had he not been killed. So suck my nuts, here, i'll even dip them in marinara for some flavor.

Quit flapping your political dick in my face. Your missing my point. I don't care who he is. But the fact that you guys get enjoyment outta watching these guys gets blown to shit. Forget the fact that thier Iraqi's here. Forget about which war it is. Just the fact that some people go "oh lol! He got blown to shit!" is what sickens me. You guys talk as if the soldiers enjoy doing that sorta stuff.

[SDM]

Oh! LOL HE got blown to SHIT!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[I Hate Pants]

Fuck you! Alot of you've guys have never had family members come back from war. So you really shouldn't be talking asshole.

[SDM]

Fuck you! Alot of you've guys have never had family members come back from war. So you really shouldn't be talking asshole.
My brother. He thinks you are queer.

[I Hate Pants]

Whatever... Go ahead and giggle. Im glad to see you think war is such a laughing matter.

[SDM]

I should clarify, before this turns into a flamefest.

My brother was on the USS Stark. So, yeah, he thinks it's pretty funny.

http://usresolve.org/uss-stark-ffg31.php

__________________________________________________ ______________

At 8:00 PM on 17 March 1987, a Mirage F-1 fighter plane took off from Iraq's Shaibah military airport and headed south into the Persian Gulf, flying along the Saudi Arabian coast. An Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) plane, in the air over Saudi Arabia and manned by a joint American-Saudi crew, detected the aircraft. Aboard the USS Stark, a Perry-class frigate on duty in the gulf, radar operators picked up the Mirage when it was some 200 miles away; it was flying at 5,000 feet and traveling at 550 mph. Captain Glenn Brindel, 43, commander of the Stark, was not particularly alarmed. He knew it was fairly common for Iraqi and Iranian warplanes to fly over the gulf. Earlier in the day, Iraqi jets had fired missiles into a Cypriot tanker, disabling the vessel. But no American vessel had been attacked.

In keeping with standard procedure, Captain Brindel ordered a radio message flashed at 10:09 PM: "Unknown aircraft, this is U.S. Navy warship on your 078 for twelve miles. Request you identify yourself." There was no reply. A second request was sent. Still no answer. Brindel noted that the aircraft's pilot had not locked his targeting radar on the Stark, so he expected it to veer away.
At 10:10 PM, the AWACS crew noticed that the Mirage had banked suddenly and then turned northward, as though heading for home. What they failed to detect was the launching by the Iraqi pilot of two Exocet AM39 air-to-surface missiles. The Exocets had a range of 40 miles and each carried a 352 lb. warhead. For some reason, the sea-skimming missiles were not detected by the Stark's sophisticated monitoring equipment. A lookout spotted the first Exocet just seconds before the missile struck, tearing a ten-by-fifteen-foot hole in the warship's steel hull on the port side before ripping through the crew's quarters. The resulting fire rushed upward into the vessel's combat information center, disabling the electrical systems. The second missile plowed into the frigate's superstructure.

http://imageshack.us/files/uss-stark-1987.jpeg
US warship USS Stark (FFG-31), 17 March 1987.
35 United States Navy personnel lost their ]
lives in an unprovoked attack by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

A crewman sent a distress signal with a hand-held radio that was picked up by the USS Waddell, a destroyer on patrol nearby. Meanwhile, the AWACS crew requested that two airborne Saudi F-15s pursue the Iraqi Mirage. But ground controllers at Dhahran airbase said they lacked the authority to embark on such a mission, and the Mirage was safely back in Iraqi airspace before approval could be obtained.

As fires raged aboard the Stark, Brindel ordered the starboard side blooded to keep the gaping hole on the port side above the waterline. All through the night the fate of the stricken frigate was in doubt. Once the inferno was finally under control, the Stark limped back to port. The Navy immediately launched an investigation into an incident that had cost 37 American seamen their lives. The Stark was endowed with an impressive array of defenses -- an MK92 fire control system that could intercept incoming aircraft at a range of 90 miles; an OTO gun that could fire three-inch anti-aircraft shells at a rate of 90 per minute; electronic defenses that could produce bogus radar images to deceive attackers; and the Phalanx, a six-barreled gun that could fire 3,000 uranium rounds a minute at incoming missiles. Brindel insisted that his ship's combat system was fully operational, but Navy technicians in Bahrain said the Stark's Phalanx system had not been working properly when the frigate put out to sea. (Brindel was relieved of duty and later forced to retire.)

A C141B Starlifter carried 35 flag-draped caskets to the Stark's home base at Mayport, Florida. (Two of the crewmen were lost at sea during the attack.) President Reagan and the First Lady were on hand to extend condolences to grieving families. Reagan was under fire from Congress and the press for putting American servicemen in harm's way on a vaguely defined mission. "We need to rethink exactly what we are doing in the Persian Gulf," said Republican Senator Robert Dole. The Senate overwhelmingly passed a resolution, sponsored by Dole and Democratic Senator Robert Byrd, that demanded the president explain to Congress the strategy and goals of the Persian Gulf mission -- and the risks involved. Congress was also unhappy with Saudi Arabia for what it viewed as a lackadaisical response to the request to pursue the Iraqi Mirage -- so unhappy, in fact, that the administration thought it wise to delay submission of a proposal to sell new F-15 fighter jets to the Saudis.

[Squeeky]

Plain and simple - this is a war between good and evil. There is no harm in cheering for the good guys. There is no wrong in being gleeful about victory over evil, even the small wins, like the elimination of these three. In fact, to impugn or besmirch those who are rightfully joyous at the sight of good triumphing over evil is itself an acquiescence to evil. Make no mistake, the war against terrorism is a war of attrition - the victor will be determined by who has the staying power. I fear that our civilized world has become so "righteous" in their distaste for violence, even justified violence, our ability to stay the course and prevail over this evil menace to mankind is in jeopardy.

So to the Apache pilots I add my "Yeehaw+Bitchowned" and to those who are castigating our military for the use of "too much" force - I spit in your eye.

[Firefly]

Yes Hussein was a threat to his own peeps and direct neighbors, but we all know why the U.S. invaded Iraq.....black gold.......
Spare me the fucking boo-hooing. You act like no other country went to war over resources. Hi, read a fucking history book. MOST of the wars on this planet since the dawn of time have been fought over economics, territory, and the resources within those territories. And let me assure you, Spankenstein, the reasons we invaded were simple- we said "Fall in line with the UN resolutions and stop being a jackass" and he ignored them. Sodom thought we'd cave to international scrutiny. And now look at him.

Lastly, seems to me that the only way the U.S. win any battles since Vietnam is by overpowering their enemies with their superior technology or by sheer numbers, not tactics.
Our technology defeats your sheer numbers. This is how wars are SUPPOSED to be fought, brain. Again- read your history book. War brings about technological changes, to continue to one-up your foe. So what the fuck are you talking about? Hi, the missile. Designed to level the playing field among aircraft. Hi, the atom bomb. Designed to wipe cities out and create a huge fear among the populace, and preclude the need for a costly invasion. Hi, the tank. Designed to mow over infantry, shrug off their machine gun fire, protect cavalrymen and take the place of horseback charges. Hi, the Gatling gun. Designed to take out massive amounts of charging men in a fell swoop. Hi, the bow and arrow, designed to reduce enemy combat formations to pure shit with two salvos, and allow your own men to waltz into their lines and hack them apart.

Fly, how do you know the army doesn't make furniture and walking sticks? Hmm? If all the countries in NATO make something, that would be NATO making something wouldn't it? They have standards, they make guns to fit the NATO standard, so wouldn't NATO be making these?
The Army doesn't have a furniture-making MOS. It's called UNICORPS, it's the prisoners in Leavenworth who make stuff for us. I'd know better than you, because I'm *IN* the Army and know it very well. NATO countries don't make shit for other NATO countries. They don't make them to NATO standard, they make them to what works best and is most economically-efficient. Most of the times. We don't use British Challenger tanks, or German rifles. The NATO bullet is "standard" because NATO troops don't have time to fuck around and say "Oh sheet, zis is de wrong bullet! Go to zee Franch armorrrrrie and get zeer bullet!" But again- that's kinda old since other countries use different weapons.

I wish they had a coloured and closer view of the carnage that went on the ground. You guys would start to piss your pants and cry once you saw the red blood and organs flying in the air. I wonder if you guys even bother to wonder how loud that guy who was wounded on the ground was sreaming? Alot fo you guys say "war is hell". But know nothing about it.
I didn't wonder how loud he screamed. I know how loud he screamed, because I've seen it in real life. I don't need to say "war is hell". I fucking KNOW it's hell. And I know all about it. I wouldn't piss my pants at seeing gore- that's what training is for. Training overrides your body's natural tendencies to puss out. Adrenaline kicks in, but your brain bumps the training on, and you naturally react. This is why well-trained armies win the day. Training will force you and guide you. That, and once you've been through it a few times, you stop reacting and start acting.

You guys talk as if the soldiers enjoy doing that sorta stuff.
Most soldiers don't. But it's our job to do it nonetheless. For the record, I watched the video with a dispassionate, detached sense of curiosity. I neither rooted/cheered nor shit my pants and cried.

[Spee]

You guys would start to piss your pants and cry once you saw the red blood and organs flying in the air.



:lol:


While im not laughing at the fact he got pwnd like a dirty little n00b, I AM laughing at the fact that you think the people who are laughing at it are sensitive to the thing.


I've seen Akira. In tha movie, a guy gets torn apart (organs, blood included, with lovely, lovely accuracy in the anatomy) a guy gets so many assault rifle rounds put into him, hes liquified, A girl gets raped, and then later on, crushed while screaming for her life.


So, no, not really. Id just be like "Hm. He has an interestingly colored spleen."

[I Hate Pants]

OMFG!!!! Im not here to argue about the war in Iraq. Im arguing about the fact that you guys laugh at war. But at the same time know nothing aobut it. Except FireFly

Try digesting down a video of an African Rebel throwing a mother's baby into a hungry pack of hounds. My dad saw horrible shit while he was stationed in Bosnia.

And Spee. I've seen anime like that before (Kite, etc.) But someone who is obssesed with anime that much probably is a 500 lb linux server administraitor who enjoys beating off to hentai tentacle porn. Using a ratty old sock for a jizz rag.

[Squeeky]

Right, cause you know everything about War right Pants? Sit down, and refer to my previous post.

[I Hate Pants]

Funny you say that I Hate Pants. Exactly how much do you know about more? And don't feed me this shit about your dad. Do you somehow know "anything" about war through some kind of osmosis from your dad?

Perhaps not. But ive been told worst stories about war than you've ever heard. Ive live in a family where alot of generations have dealt with war.

Its changed my views in life. For worst? For better? I don't know. But I try and get 2 sides to every story now.

[Spee]

And Spee. I've seen anime like that before (Kite, etc.) But someone who is obssesed with anime that much probably is a 500 lb linux server administraitor who enjoys beating off to hentai tentacle porn. Using a ratty old sock for a jizz rag.


Yes, because viewing a classic movie thats been around since the eighhties, has been translated into almost every language on earth, has a 6-volume manga series that has been given the same treatment, is obviously only for fat tubby losers.


And note, Im not saying that I like anime like a fat kid loves cake; Rather, Im just stating how desensitized America, and the world, for that matter, has become.



I forsee the advent of bloodsports within the next 40 years.


Edit: Because I was flaunting my big fat e-American Penis.

[Firefly]

Try digesting down a video of an African Rebel throwing a mother's baby into a hungry pack of hounds. My dad saw horrible shit while he was stationed in Bosnia.
I'd be happy to copy my home videos of the destruction that is still evident and highly visible in Bosnia. That's footage taken eight, nine years after the conflict "ended". It's not graphic, but it shows what those bastard fuckers did to some of the cities.

How about mentioning the videos of Rwanda's slaughter? Nearly a million dead in a week, because they were of a different ethnicity.

[FlakMan]

Enemies of political correctness, watch out!

[Everay]

I Hate pants, i know your pissed off that alot of the people here are "laughing at this" or rather "geting enjoyment from it" but, these are the times, no most likely none of them have ever seen the horrors of war, and neither have you, for that matter, but its not really right to get mad at a person for their instinct reaction to anything, its just the way they are.

[ghost018]

My brother. He thinks you are queer.

:stupid:

My brother just got back before Christmas, and guess what? He's leaving for Iraq again in a month.

ghost

[AztecWarrior]

How the hell does this shit get onto the Internet, anyway?

Although I will say that this is not a laughing matter. BOLOLOL HEADSHOT! is not the right reaction. However, I wouldn't go as far as I Hate Pants. They are evil and deserved it.

[Spee]

How the hell does this shit get onto the Internet, anyway?



Hax.

[Glaynor]

Squeeky and everyone else who thinks this is funny to watch.

Remember how you felt after various foreigners paraded in the streets on 9/11? I don't know about you, but I was furious. By getting enjoyment out of seeing this video you are acting the same way - finding death enjoyable. This is nothing fun about seeing men die. Is it a necessity? Yes ... is it fun? No.

It is easy for you all to sit back, behind the computers that your parents probably bought, and to claim in your 17 years of life experiences that seeing death is funny. Its not funny. Somebody is never going to take another breath of life, never wake up in the morning, never see another sun because another person ended their life. Imagine that for a second ... their existence is over.

Now, I'm not saying that they shouldn't have been killed - this is a war after all. But don't laugh about it. That makes you as bad as those who laughed when 9/11 happened.

[Squeeky]

Holy Shit Gaynor! Wtf man....the people who died on 9-11 were innocent hard working american citizens. These are Iraqi fucking soldiers, preparing weapons that are gonna be used to KILL our men and woman of the armed forces. The fact that you would even compare 9-11 to the death of these scumbags disgusts me to no end. Now where in this thread did i say it was FUNNY that these people died? Like i said in a previous post, i am happy that theres 3 less Iraqi asshats walking the earth. Theres a difference between Gleefulness and Hillarity. Take a seat...

[Spee]

i am happy that theres 3 less Iraqi asshats walking the earth.



Iraqi != Terrorist.


Sorry, broad sweeping generalizations suck. I know a few really nice people of iraqi descent/nativity.

[FlakMan]

http://swiki.cc.gatech.edu:8888/uploads/dvfx2000/57/Shut%20The%20Fuck%20Up.jpg
And the hits just keep coming...

[SDM]

And the hits just keep coming...

http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/assclownaward.jpg

:rofl:

[Rayder]

Hey Glaynor, ever think about an afterlife? What if it exists? Maybe THIS is the afterlife, and when we die here we go back to living in the real life, hmm? Ever think about that? I didn't think so.

[Squeeky]

Rayder that is the stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard.

[Rayder]

Oh really? Come by my school for 1 day.

[Setari]

y'know what...what Rayder said isnt really all that stupid....just one of those things you can sit and think about for a while :rolleyes: specially during boring classes...

On topic, well, the enemy soldiers are dead, it's war, that's what happens, 3 less enemies to worry about, probably even saved American lives so...

[Everay]

NO NO! BUT WHAT IF THIS IS PURGITORY!?! AND WERE TRYING TO GET INTO HEAVEN!?! AND WHEN W EDIE WE COME BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER GO!?!?111oneone!!

[/sarcasm]

and yea, they prolly save lives, so its okay, but i dont think anyone is disputing that, i think the matter is over how you take this video, but to be upset with anyone over how they deal with things, or how they take it, is stupid, because noone really has control over that.

[Hamma]

This thread sucks, stop posting :p

[Rayder]

And maybe Hamma's really an alien who plans on taking over the Earth with his race of super-human aliens bent on eliminating the Zurblops.

[SDM]

And maybe Hamma's really an alien who plans on taking over the Earth with his race of super-human aliens bent on eliminating the Zurblops.No. That would be me.

http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/a_shattered_nation_t.jpg

[Ait'al]

I wasnt saying earlier that we shouldnt have gone to war. I was refering to the pentagon/governments spin and trying to make people automaticlly connect terrorism related things and things pertaining to Iraq and suddom hussein in this insane extreme of, dare i say, logic. I wasnt actually saying anything about wether we should have gone to war or not and dont want to because what i think is to complicated and goes into way to many veiws on war and politics.

[Glaynor]

I am not comparing the civilians who died on 9/11 to these Iraqis. I may not have explained myself well.

My point is that by getting pleasure from watching this and saying it is enjoyable to see is the same thing as those people who were cheering Americans dying on 9/11.

And many people did get glee out of watching this video. Here are some of the quotes: �They look like that game where they shoot the moving ducks ... lmao�; �this was quite a humorous piece of video, plz post more�; "My mother watched this and she is all "Holy crap the guy just exploded......sweeet"; "My brother was on the USS Stark. So, yeah, he thinks it's pretty funny"

... And when I Hate Pants makes similar criticsms he�s told by a poster, �My brother thinks your queer�.

Death is never funny. Becoming desensitized to it is understandable, but no where is it funny. Lots of times I disagree with I Hate Pants, but on this one I have to agree with him.

[Acaila]

Obviously he is unpatriotic and against freedom, he is also clearly anti-anericen for not enjoying the subtle humour of that video. He should be taken out and shot for not cackling in glee when the Iraqis were, haha, blown, hah, to, heh, heehe, peices, or when the Iraqi was rolling around in pain on the ground (that was the good bit). </sarcasm>

In a slightly relevant note, it is a scary day when people are persecuted for criticising their government.

[Firefly]

In a slightly relevant note, it is a scary day when people are persecuted for criticising their government.
Only in America, where you have the freedom to criticize and the freedom to persecute.

[Squeeky]

http://media.studio31.org/apache_mission_in_iraq.avi
http://home.comcast.net/~antman01/apache_mission_in_iraq.avi

Those are the extended versions. It shows the soldiers dropping the weapon, that SURE as hell looks like an RPG to me. These fuckers were definetly handling weapons.

[Firefly]

I don't think anyone is in doubt of that.

And if they are, I can assure you that the commanding officers of every soldier in the US military is so anally-retentive and ramrod-straight on Rules of Engagement, that there is NO way in HELL that they'd allow any soldier to fire on unarmed civilians.

It's inconceivable, although yes soldiers do on rare rare extreme occasions freak out. The reason it's so serious is because nobody wants to be the next highly-publicized fuck-up, relieved of command or court martialed and faced with a life of Burger King servitude. That, and we get Rules of Engagement, RAMP, and Force Protection training out the wazoo. Commanders are almost afraid to fight battles, that's literally how serious the high-brass is about not wanting bad publicity.

Although conspiracy wonks and time-trapped hippy protesting beatniks are still under the impression that we're fighting wars in Vietnam.