AV/Deci damage change

[DeadTeddy]

why don't they just make the deci do current AV damage against MAX's and make AV do deci damage against cars (small planes discluded) and that's it? I mean it's not like deci is a cert for itself, it comes with 2 more, and AV has better aim, so they both will still be used.

[SecondRaven]

Erm? i did not get a thing you just said...but ill try to make a statment is responce why change the decimator its fine the way it is...and AV is fine the way it is.

[Doppler]

why change the decimator its fine the way it is...and AV is fine the way it is.

Your definitely not an AV user are you?

[SecondRaven]

I am i use the Phoenix and i would rather use that over a decimator by far

[Professor Frink]

Leave the Decimator the way it is. It's called a Decimator because it is supposed to decimate. Buff ALL the av though.

[ORANGE]

I sleep with my Phoenix

[SecondRaven]

The phoenix is one of the main reasons Im in the NC....its just so much fun chasing people with it :)

[VashTheStamped]

The phoenix is one of the main reasons Im in the NC....its just so much fun chasing people with it :)

[ghost018]

I don't want to have to shoot all three decimator rockets, then swap in my second and fire three more just to kill one Max. Why couldn't they have just left the old Striker alone? At least then it took longer to kill a Max, for most people of my empire at least, and that would mean less people would be bitching now.

ghost

[SecondRaven]

All i know is when i have my phoenix i shoot one up and i scout the area to see what i have for targets and to give my squad a heads tatacial information...if i see a helpless little grunt i launch another right in his face (yes i know the phoenix does not do well agents grunts) but still its fun to scare the heck out of them.

[Neon Apocalypse]

i think they should bundle both

[SecondRaven]

So what put AV with SA? that would make super soldigers.....wait that already happend with there other cert bundles.

[Seer]

They gave vehicles more armor precisely because they were getting torn apart by massive numbers of av users. AV does its job--it drives away vehicles.

When av was overly deadly, everyone certed in it and tanks didn't last 30 seconds in light enemy fire.

[SecondRaven]

I think it took around 5 or 6 to take down a magrider which is alot but they have good distance on them so i can usally take out any tank i see if i have a good vantage point

[Fenrys]

Deci should be a common-pool AV. SA and AV are both 3 point certs, and this way they would both give access to 2 weapons.

It makes sense from a training perspective as well - operating the rocklet is very simmilar to the thumper. One shoulder-fired rocket launcher is similar to the rest.

[SecondRaven]

Ya i would agree for that, havind decimator in a AV bundle would help out alot. But i think there would be alot of yelling and complaining from the tank drivers.

[FlakMan]

I don't want to have to shoot all three decimator rockets, then swap in my second and fire three more just to kill one Max. Why couldn't they have just left the old Striker alone? At least then it took longer to kill a Max, for most people of my empire at least, and that would mean less people would be bitching now.
It usually takes me two direct hits to kill a MAX, but I take my time to aim, take cover, that sort of thing

[321]

I think that the decimator should be stronger than AV because the Decimator, though not being a cert itself as it come with the thumper and rocklet, only has 3 missiles, takes up a rifle slot, and can't be reloaded.

[Rbstr]

The pheonix is sweet but its not very effective, all av needs to do more damage to ground vechs, just not MAX or Air damage.

Also the deci should be AV thats what it is and AV rocket launcher

[Doppler]

I think it took around 5 or 6 to take down a magrider which is alot but they have good distance on them so i can usally take out any tank i see if i have a good vantage point

Takes more then 6 phoenix rockets to take out a mag, it actualy takes 7 Phoenix rockets to take out an ANT.

321
The probloem with your logic is in the same space I carry the ammo fro my Pheonix i could pack 2 additional Decimators, which if your curious packs almost triple the firepower, why reload it when you swap in a brand new one.

[Cryptica]

Nah, I don't really think it's worth the hassel. I mean, IMO Pheonix/Striker/Whatever the VS AV is are pretty powerful, you don't need a deci with them. I think the decimator is GREAT when MAXes camp CC's and Gens, where as AV's usually aren't. If you bundle the two it would have to be like 4 or 5 certs, and I wouldn't think it would be a worthwhile change.

[Veteran]

Deci should indeed be common-pool AV, and should do 350 instead of 400 damage.

Just my opinion.

[ghost018]

It usually takes me two direct hits to kill a MAX, but I take my time to aim, take cover, that sort of thing

With the current Decimator, yes. But the other guy was suggesting making it as strong as the current AV weapons. If they did change things so it did as much damage as the Striker than that's what the TR players would have to do. Ghey idea, if you ask me.

ghost

[noxious]

I don't think AV needs a buff. They scare vehicles away, but unless there are more than one, that's all they do. This is how it should be.

As for decimators packing more firepower, I agree. The inherent problem is that they cannot reasonable hit any targets at range that are not stationary, this is what AV is for.

[Rbstr]

I don't get scared by AV, unless i'm in a basilisk, and i drive lightning, Reaver, Skeeter, and Harraser(droped ATV just a few days ago) but i fear decis becuse a deci is enough to take out all of my vechs in one wepon. The only time try to get away from one is the striker, but thats becsaue it can track my reaver and hit it unlike the other two, and if i get hit it makes it harder to get away from AA maxes withough dieing.

AV needs to do mode damage to things like tanks (not Air because they aren't suposed to take out those, except in rare occasions, and not maxes because the do enough to those)

[DeadTeddy]

I did some thinkink, the real problem with AV is not with AV.
after saying such a weird sentence I'll explain. AV is fine, tanks are fine, deci's are fine. uniforms suck. there is no camo, NC uniforms scream out HEAR I AM! SHOOT ME! and the VS and TR aren't so far from it either, especially in higher ranks. in real combat, AV soldiers are hidden and therefor better protected. only thing I can think of is maybe giving snipers and AV the ability to be 80% cloacked if they crouch and don't walk for over 5 seconds, turning is ok since they need to shoot. it would be a sort of cammo.

[Doppler]

I don't think AV needs a buff. They scare vehicles away, but unless there are more than one, that's all they do. This is how it should be.

As for decimators packing more firepower, I agree. The inherent problem is that they cannot reasonable hit any targets at range that are not stationary, this is what AV is for.

Tanks are not scared off by AV, an av soldier in the open field firing at the tank is a dead AV soldier.

[KIAsan]

I gave up AV and certed SA. It is the perfect AV combination. Just hit them with a jammer nade using the thumper, then switch to your deci. THAT does scare off armor. Don't expect to kill that tank all on your own, but if you use tactics, team work and combined arms, then yes, an infantry sqaud can rule a LONE tank (and yes, a good driver will counter, but thats what makes it a fun battle). Does AV need some love? Not really, just rename it to Anit-max and your done. As for Anit-air, your infantry squad just needs to take some anti-air maxes with it.

[Doppler]

Ok so for three certs you get anti-max, where as 3 certs SA guys get to be good against everything, I have an idea how about we make SA worth 4-5 cert points. Then you can tell me AV needs no love.

Especialy considering the fact if you try and use AV against a Max indoors your about to be owned as all AVs advantages indoors are neutralized, their like a slower firing weaker vesrion of the decimator.

[KIAsan]

Ok, you got a point, rename AV - OUTDOORS anti-max. There, we have a solution. Deci becomes the new AV (just don't call it that, and leave it in SA) and we are all happy. Oh, BTW, if you are tired of AV being so weak, decert and use the 3 points somewhere else (by a mossy and go AV hunting, they are easy targets now :groovy: ).

Remember, this is vehicleside. If the devs meant for you to kill a vehicle, they would have given you decent AV. :D

[Veteran]

Decimator is like Surge. An obviously overpowered battlefield asset that has a strong fan-base. Powerful weapons make their own friends.

[Doppler]

Ok, you got a point, rename AV - OUTDOORS anti-max. There, we have a solution. Deci becomes the new AV (just don't call it that, and leave it in SA) and we are all happy. Oh, BTW, if you are tired of AV being so weak, decert and use the 3 points somewhere else (by a mossy and go AV hunting, they are easy targets now :groovy: ).

Remember, this is vehicleside. If the devs meant for you to kill a vehicle, they would have given you decent AV. :D

Hmmmm the truth hurts. But no ill stick by my AV, for now at least.