Spys

[Fragmatic]

http://www.planetsideimages.com/uploads/pariahspy.jpg

^ Discuss...

Pariah is a well known NC char on werner, and has been the subject of many cheat accusations, now he has spys

[Rayder]

Whats your point?

[Fragmatic]

That it really pisses me off >.<

[Spee]

Spies suck, I believe.

[Rayder]

Or do they...? Hmmm.....

[Fragmatic]

The thing is, this player has been the subject of numerous cheat allegations, and yet he/she/it continues to act a twat

[Spee]

You should break his legs.


hed stop being a jerk then, trust me.

[Fragmatic]

:lol:

[Veteran]

The game encourages spying by allowing people from enemy empires to send tells to each other. It would be a true bitch to coordinate spying without tells.

[Hamma]

Spying is so gay in thsi game, Cross empire tells and empire switching on the same server should be disallowed period

[DSSurge]

i disagree. It should only be disallowed within an SOI. We tried to have a VS Outfit vs TR Outfit battle today on Cyssor but some jerkface NCs broke it up with reavers, tanks, etc.

Without tells we couldnt have arranged the Outfit battle and we couldnt have told to NC to get f*** themselves (which they didnt, we just all suicided and went elsewhere).

[321]

Yeah spys suck.

[Doppler]

Spying is so gay in thsi game, Cross empire tells and empire switching on the same server should be disallowed period

This whould serve no point, in fact additionaly i think there aughta be a sort of broadcast local that goes to all empires.

The reasons for this are two fold.

1) There are too many out of game options for communcation to make any limitations placed on game speak have any point at all.

2) The vast majority of people use the /t cross empires to some degree of legitimacy, either for planned battles, to compliment or flame or what not.

[Fragmatic]

2) The vast majority of people use the /t cross empires to some degree of legitimacy, either for planned battles, to compliment or flame or what not.

And what do we do to those people who arent in the vast majority?

[Veteran]

Squads of enemy empires shouldn't be organizing anything. They're enemies.

Hamma is right (naturally).

Spies will make Outfit Base Ownership a living nightmare for many, and have been the death of countless friendly generators and spawn rooms.

Besides, the craven little chickenshits that get a kick out of betraying and TKing their buddies don't deserve satisfaction.

[Veteran]

Squads of enemy empires shouldn't be organizing anything. They're enemies.

Hamma is right (naturally). You should only have characters of one empire per server. The way it is currently, you can switch to your other empire character instantly, and report back a world of intel to your true empire, and maybe destroy a generator or two while you're at it. Most retarded. The timer only engages when you've played both characters recently, so any griefer worth his slime can pull this trick off every day before he goes to bed/school/work.

Spies will make Outfit Base Ownership a living nightmare for many, and have been the death of countless friendly generators and spawn rooms. How about all the modules that have been destroyed by their own empire?

Besides, the craven little chickenshits that get a kick out of betraying and TKing their buddies don't deserve satisfaction.

I've played NC and TR mostly, but I absolutely refuse to play both characters so close together that I might risk killing those I had so recently been fighting alongside. In fact, I usually just quit playing for the day and come at it fresh later on.

It's always a pity to see a game warped by the worthless filth exploiters and griefers, but that's just how it goes.

[Fenrys]

Personaly, I like some of the other empire's weapons and am not above a temporary cease-fire in some remote tower to make an illicit arms trade.

[Shin1gami]

PariaH and Predator21psy are both in the same outfit as me. Predator apparently has a TR char, but from what I can tell, based on the screenie, the only thing Predator told PariaH was that you we're afraid of him - he's hardly giving away any information, Predator was probably just amused that you warned your platoon about PariaH :)

Renegade Legion is not a cheating/spying outfit, and I agree with you that spies giving away important information is a huge flaw in this game.

[shadow58]

Pariahs a right annoying f**k flying around with his noobhammer, of course most NC jackwhores are but he's one of the ones i notice the most. As for cheating I wouldn't like to say. He aint on this forum is he?... sorry mate love you really ;)

But yeh spies are pretty lame, swapping weapons and vehicles like Fenrys mentioned aint that bad, ive traded mags with prowlers before just for a laugh but spies could really mess the game up for people. I'm hearing more and more reports of spies every day just hope they get sorted out.

[Predator21]

Thanks for clearing that up shin1gami, I wouldnt spy for any empire, it sucks, and what ever empire i play as i try as hard as i can to win for that empire.

[PariaH]

please dont try and pollute people minds on this forum, he simply passed on to me a commnent that you made about me saying "dont get too close he'll rip you apart"

if thats the level of cheating going on then sue me,

nice of you to edit your screenshot removing the swearwords you were calling him,


Your sincerely

Pariah the Twat

p/s FOAD

[SecondRaven]

I agree i do hate spys but there is not much we can do about it without drymaticaly changing alot in the game.

[Black]

We as CDL dont allow multi Empire players in are outfit so thats why we are clean from spys for us at least

[Laeritides]

The game encourages spying by allowing people from enemy empires to send tells to each other. It would be a true bitch to coordinate spying without tells.

Not really, Team Speak. Stopping Tells from empire to empire. Would not slow it down much. Although I am for them cutting this out of the game. No need to talk to an nme.

[Majik]

The spying we can't do anything about, but I'd like to see a bigger penalty on the griefing. Extend the respawn time for an extra second for every grief point you have. The none griefers might learn to check there fire and the griefers would be slowed down from destroying base defenses from the inside during major battles. I'm sick of having enemies in friendly maxes blowing away people and terminals to help their "real" empire. That's right POWQ I'm talking about you if your listening.

Oh, and I have to say I enjoy the occasional tell from the enemy after a confrontation. If I have been impressed by them, I tell them and let them know.

[BadAsh]

I think spying is just part of the game and that we will just have to deal with it. How can it be prevented? It can�t. Sure you can eliminate chat amongst the empires and you can force players to play for only one empire (yes, this would mean tough decisions and character deletions for many). This, however, would not prevent cheating. No chat available? An alternate source would be found, TS comes to mind. Only one player per account? No problem, just get an extra account. My point here is that where there is a will there is a way.

Also, how effective is spying in PS anyway? Any minor skirmish in the game lights up on the main map as an instant action zone. Enemy AMS stations are easy enough to find without the effort of setting up a spy. Empire battle plans are easily determined. I don�t think I�ve ever really been surprised by a new enemy Zerg attack.

The only real threat a traitor would have is in sabotage or very small scale spying information. Sabotage would mean taking down a generator or whatnot. Small scale spying would be things like �The CC is clear for the hack� or �there is a guy at the top of the stairs with HA set to ambush you�. That kind of weak information leaks is not really worth the spy�s effort.

So who then really gives a crap if someone is wasting their time �spying�? I know I don�t. I do know I�d be annoyed if SOE forced me to delete a hard earned character by reinstating the one empire only rule. And I know it would take from the game if I were not able to chat with an �enemy�.

Maybe it�s just me, but I never really treat the other empires as an �enemy�. I think of them as more of the other �team�. This is not a war, this is a game and for me it�s about sportsmanship and having a good time. Some of my friends in this game play for another empire. After a few very challenging and fun battles a mutual respect has grown. I even have a joking chat dialogue going on with a few players from the other teams.

[Firefly]

Spying is so gay in thsi game, Cross empire tells and empire switching on the same server should be disallowed period
The I couldn't send cyber /tells to my NC/VS cybering-friends.

[Cryptica]

Squads of enemy empires shouldn't be organizing anything. They're enemies.

Nawh that's not true. Yeah they're enemies but that doesn't mean we can't organize a fun squad vs. squad battle, or something along those lines.

[NuclearSiege]

WHAT?! you guys quit complaining, this is supposed to be as real as possible. Right?

just makes it more realistic. It was bound to happen soon.

[Firefly]

WHAT?! you guys quit complaining, this is supposed to be as real as possible. Right?

just makes it more realistic. It was bound to happen soon.
This means I can cancel my second pay account that was an NC spy in an NC Emerald outfit.

[Doppler]

And what do we do to those people who arent in the vast majority?

Nothing, their worth more time to prosecute/persecute then they are worth.

[Professor Frink]

We tried to have a VS Outfit vs TR Outfit battle today on Cyssor but some jerkface NCs broke it up with reavers, tanks, etc.


Yea that sucked. The reason they found us is because some TR hacked the nearby base. We might as well have been firing signal flares to alert the NC to our presence.

OK back to the topic...

[Jagd]

Having spies around adds to the flavour of PS, just like spec ops (which some of you rah rah fair fight types hate) and arms deals. As BadAsh said it is pretty questionable how useful a spy can actually be, so what is the harm?

[KIAsan]

Spies/purposeful tkers & Gen/equipment killers are a direct result of multiple empires on a server. You do see more of this now, than before the server merger. The only way to eliminate it is to restrict folks back to 1 empire per server. But, they can't do it, so we must live with it.

Another method, and the best option, would be for the CSR to act on the /appeals in a more timely manner. I always /appeal folks for game disruption when it occurs. I really don't think the CSRs act unless there are significant numbers of players making /appeals. But it does get very annoying to have some idiot Tking you and destroying vital equipment during a major battle. Plus, I for one would not like to think that battle we just won, was because some lame ass played spy to blow their gen.

[Doppler]

Actualy this stuff definitely happened pre merge so it cant be a direct result.

[KIAsan]

Ok, add "The increased incidences of..." to the front of the sentence containing "a direct result" and you have the proper wording. I meant to point out that there is a lot more of this going on now, than before. Prior to the merger, you saw some of this stuff (dudes with 7-day trials or just a lamer), but not nearly at the levels you do now.

[AztecWarrior]

In Platoons, Squads, and Outfits, the commanding officer sees all /tells to other Empires. This change should be kept secret.

[BadAsh]

Perhaps it's just me, but I'm not seeing this. Most TK's are a result of 500,000 people hanging around in a base after a hack that are bored so they start knifing or OSing everything in sight.

Paranoia about spying is on the rise, and that is for sure. Now everytime the enemy anticipates our obvious move someone has to make the spy claim... um... yeah... It does not take Einstein to figure out out what continent we decided to target after locking the last continent we zerged...

Hmmm, let's see a massize ZERG just locked a continent; you now have "massive enemy force" warning on 2 bases on a new continent; and the global alerts to tower captures, module installs/thefts, base hacks, etc. are going off... Geee, might the Zerg be here now? This assumes no one saw the ZERG at the Warp Gate... All it takes is 1 command chat capable player or one player to report to command that they just spotted a freaking army and your "surprise" Zerg is over.

Also, even without the easy give aways above... how much rocket science calculations must be done to determine what continents and bases that said enemy has links to now? So even without the suprise proofing built into the game an IQ above 4 still comes in handy for enemy troop movement prediction...

After the merger every time some newbie does the wrong thing or some bored idiot decides to TK the accusations of spying come up with no proof or thought of the obvious... um, more people = more newbies and more TK morons. And anytime a commander uses common sense these accusations come up too. Was he tipped off? Let's see the enemy is attacking an Amp station (the only base they have a link to... gosh how could we know to defend that base?!? lol) and we are fending them off with tanks, reavers, etc. You think the enemy might try for the gen of the tech facility to the rear at some point? So if that spec ops team gets owned by a defending squad it only means the enemy is not an idiot. It does not mean they have a spy or psychic powers.

I'm not saying that spying does not happen. I just don't think its nearly as frequent or effective as some here think.

[Doppler]

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Gotta Go With Ash on this one.

[Veteran]

A lot of people see their Grief Points as a kind of commodity. "Hey, I'm at zero grief, I have the right to go kill some people now".

No. I've seen the combined efforts of twenty guys ruined because of one griefer.

Which is more important, a lone jackoff or twenty paying customers?

[KIAsan]

Well, here is a good case of spying. We were planning a raid in sanctuary (pickup group so it took sometime to get everything rolling). Platoon set the drop waypoint on a isolated area, so we could drop, then attack after we regroup. Took about 30 minutes to populate the platoon and get everyone coordinated on the HART. Figure we would hit the tower, then the base with no problem (the war was on the opposite side of the map). We all drop in on the HART (that was nice seeing 20+ pods hitting at once). Only, we land in the middle of mines, spits, reavers and tanks. All waiting for us (since there was NOONE else there before us and it truely was way out of the way). Obviously we got seriously owned. Now, it is totally possible that was coincidental, however in my book, it is HIGHLY suspicious.

As to increased t/ks and gen/tube killing. Yes, that generally happens at enemy bases that you cap'd and the zerg is bored. The stuff I have seen is during big battles, at a friendly base, where several individuals attacked the facility gen and purposfully shot folks (including myself) that went to repair. That cost us the battle and ruined the war for 30 or 40 of us.

So, I may be a bit paranoid, but I never saw this stuff before the server merger. So, naturally, I blame it on the merger. Is is so unrealistic to believe that a couple of lamers from the other side, switched over to our side just to cause as much damage as possible? Knowing people are people, yup, I bet there are. Is it an outfit coordinated effort, no, I don't believe that. But it does cause problems, so it needs to be addressed. Thats all I am asking for. And, yes, I did a /appeal.

[Predator21]

Fragmatic called me a bad name :(((( *crys*

:/

[TeraHertz]

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^ Discuss...

Pariah is a well known NC char on werner, and has been the subject of many cheat accusations, now he has spys



Fragmatic, as hard as it is to accept, I have to say that Pariah isnt a cheat (unless he's changed). He got called a cheat alot, by me in particular, becasue he used to warp around. He no longer does this since the warp fix. He's as easy to kill as any wall bouncing jackasshammer dude. When he's on TR he's gunbait, and no better than any other decent player.
Some respected guys in my outfit used to play with him in another game, and they say he's a good guy and wouldn't cheat on purpose. As for spying, probably. Most empires do it. Its annoying. The moral of the story is know who's in your outfit.