Phoenix range = 250m

[Veteran]

I may be totally wrong, but wasn't Phoenix's range longer than 250 meters recently?

It is 250m now.

I just seem to recall it being longer.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[GreyFlcn]

Hrmm well all of retail I think it's been around 200m

In BETA... well geeze, that used to have somewhere like 1000m range

[sutserikeru]

it should get boosted up to about 350m im getting pissed that when im tailing a prowler and am 2 feet away from hitting it, the damn thing explodes >.<

[Batousai]

I sleep with my Phoenix every night before i go to bed. I love my Phoenix, I named her Jill. Jill Phoenix what a catche name. :love: But if its supposed to be a ANTI-VECH. weapon then it should do more damage to vechs. right. I just hate going one on one with a LIGHTING and losing. :confused: i just want my Phoenix to do about 25% more damage then i would be happy. :D

[JakeLogan]

The range doesn't need to be increased that damn thing is good enough.........the striker needs help though....If they don't increase the range on the striker I hope they make it so I can't lock on to a liberator at flight ceiling then fire a missle have it get close then blow up....

[Mudflap]

Each empire has their own abilities. If the Pheonix did more damage, it would be, by a longshot, the best AV weapon out there. As it is, it's horrible against air units, it takes a bit of time to fire off multiple shots, but it totally rocks at hitting hidden targets. It also allows the wielder to remain safe behind obstacles or even in a building.

Everyone wants their empires weapons to be the best, but I'd rather see equality among the empires. Keep in mind that this doesnt mean that each empires AV weapon is roughly equivelant, but that the empire as a whole is equivelant. For instance, the NC have the best tank, but the TR have better AV than the NC(because they can lock onto air and vehicles and fire quickly).

[Veteran]

I didn't mean to turn this into a partisan sparring-match, but Phoenix is, without question, the best empire AV out there.

Meta-game. Learn it, love it. It's as hard to define as irony or humor, but an integral aspect of PlanetSide that can never be trivialized.

If I could have only one AV weapon until the end of time, it would be Phoenix. Many will agree with me.

As for the Lancer pimps: props, my brothers. May your purple felt hats rest forever straight upon your shizzy skizzies.

[Mudflap]

Sorry Vet, I have to disagree.....sorta. The Pheonix totally rocks, but as for being the best AV weapon, that depends on what you're using it for.

The Striker does tons of damage quickly. 3 Striker or Lancer users will take out a vehicle(in sight of course) far faster than 3 Pheonix users. Also, the striker and Lancer are both better AA, because Damage Over Time is important. If an air vehicle has a chance to run, it will. Also, Pheonix users are cloaker bait.

I prefer the Pheonix myself, but I don't discount the other AV weapons as useless. My vanu has the AV cert, and the Lancer is awesome.

[Veteran]

The thing about the Phoenix is that you can fire it, scout the terrain, and casually select a target mid-flight. If your initial target is dead before your missile arrives, simply pick a new target.

What other missile system can pick a new target with a human intelligence long after it is fired?

Phoenix owns. I don't blame anyone for preferring the Phoenix.

[Mudflap]

Yes, you can select a new target, but if you select a soft taret, you might tickle him. And the rate of fire makes killing soft targets worthless. It has its advantages, just like the other AV weapons. I don't think of it as being vastly superior to the others. just like the Jackhammer isn't vastly superior to the thumper. They both have their uses.

One of my NC guys is a pheonix user, and I'll tell you that against air, it's almost wothless. Air swoops in, fires, then leaves. If a reaver comes against me solo, I'd be lucky to hit it once, whereas you're almost guaranteed a hit or two with both the other AV weapons. Also, if a tank is nearby, you're better off with either of the other AV weapons. Pheonix guiding takes too long. I'm not saying it sucks, far from it, but it's one fo the strengths of the NC, and weaknesses. Too many times I've seen the NC get decimated by airpower.

[Veteran]

The thing about Phoenix is you have Decimator to shore up all its weaknesses. Check out Thottbot and you'll see that Phoenix is by far the most certified empire AV in the game. It's no coincedence.

[SilverLord]

Simply put: Who wouldn't want a gun that fires missles and you tell it where to go while remaining very safe behind a tree or another obstacle.

[Mudflap]

Two words: Cloaker Bait
If you've used a Pheonix, you know about this danger. Besides, it hardly helps to be able to hide behind a tree when a Burster is spamming the area, or thumpers are bashing you, or even a tank or two are roaming the area. Add onto that the fact that your damage over time is less than the other empires, and you see that the Pheonix isn't the best weapon out there.

[Veteran]

But if there were a 1 cert skill that let you fire a 0 damage Phoenix, wouldn't you consider it? To see the entire battlefield from the air, and to learn your course of action without the need for air scouts?

Phoenix is strong. It really is.

[sutserikeru]

Phoenix is strong. It really is.
Yes, it is strong, just needs a tiny range increase. Or maybe a speed increase

[Queensidecastle]

No thanks, Phoenix is already Godly enough

[Onizuka-GTO]

yes. Don't complain about the Phoenix.

If you have to, then i will start moaning about wanting the Lancer to have some sort of self-guidance targeting, longer range and more hitting power.

[Rbstr]

I personaly thing all the AV wepons suck equaly, non eof them are very good at anything, with the exceptions being pheonix being able to hit(not nessicaraly kill) hidden things, or things at great range, and the lancer ability to take out maxes at range, they all nee dot do alot more damage to tanks and stuff(not air they are not AA weps)

The pheonix is too slow firing to do much damage even though it has more power, the lancer isn't strong enough, the stiker is the same, i don't give a shit if its the best AV wepon in the game becaue its still not effective at killing armored things, being the best of AV isn't saying much becasue AV sucks so much. It was too powerfull but now they nerfed it too far.

[Sputty]

The problem with AV is it's not used as an emergency weapon, which can damage tanks heavily, but only at close range, like most handheld AT weapons are used. They're really only used as self defense but in game people get AV and expect to be able to go one on one with a tank.

[Onizuka-GTO]

So, your saying we should use AV only as a last alternative?

[KIAsan]

Have to agree with Rbstr on this one. All AV are bad verse vehicles. Kinda funny they call them AV, when their ownly true purpose is Anit-max. Guess they should rename them AM instead.

I have posted before, and will do it again, buff AV damage to Deci level. But, reduce damage to maxes and soft targets. That would make most vehicle drivers stop and think, before charging in solo against infantry. I don't want an uber AV, but I think drivers should be a little fearful going into battle. As it stands now, I see a group of ground troops, I'm going to charge them with the tank, cause I know we will own them all. The only thing I really fear in my prowler are other tanks and reavers.

[GreyFlcn]

The only thing stronger against a MAX indoors than a Phoenix is a Decimator.

Phoenix kills a MAX faster than a Comet when using alt mode.

[GreyFlcn]

With the ability to stay behind cover 70% of that time period to boot.

[Rbstr]

Pheonix indoors, that person is a fool, the HUGE time it takes to put out the 3 round required to kill a max even in dumbfire make it an impossiblity to do it to all but the noobiest of noobs, But it is very helpfull for people the have otehr wepons, hit the Max with on missle and it makes that max a hell of alot easier to kill.

Now outside its good, but only at med to long ranges becasue at close ranges you get owned, and the dumb firs isn't very accurate.

[GreyFlcn]

Bull.

Phoenix has higher speed and acceleration than a Decimator.
Of course your not going to be using the primary mode indoors.
Nor are you going to be standing out in the open the whole time, unless you plan on getting killed.

Only signifigant difference is you need to fire three times instead of twice.

[Spee]

I generally expend my decimator within a few moments of my getting it, due to NC and VS loving thier MAXes so much. So, I have a backup Anti-MAX weapon: Frag Grenade Launcher.


I had to go head-on with a VS Quasar MAX with a frag launcher today. I killed him, but with 70 health, no armor, and sans my 3 medpacks.

[Mudflap]

Anyone using a Pheonix indoors must simply have no other antimax weapon on them. The decimator owns maxes indoors, and to say that a pheonix kills a max faster than any other AV weapon might be true, but only because the other two empires would have to reload once. The Pheonix user has to reload 3 times. Saying that the Pheonix is better indoors than the other AV weapons is kinda pointless since the decimator makes all AV weapons seem useless indoors.

To state this once again. You can do more damage in a given period of time with the other AV weapons. Alt fire mode on the Pheonix is almost like firing a decimator, except a little faster and alot less damaging. I have a Lancer user, and in certain situations, I would much rather have a lancer than a Pheonix.

[GreyFlcn]

Phoenix is weaker than the decimator. We know that.
Phoenix is a better anti-max weapon indoors than anything besides Decimator.
Pheonix is a better outdoor anti-max weapon than even the Decimator itself.

Lancer is good to have in rare situations, quite unlike the Phoenix.

Is it any wonder why 1 in 5 NC have Phoenix?

[SandTrout]

Lancer is the most under-utilized weapon in the game, hands down, though it seems to be makeing something of a comeback recently.

The Lancer is the best AM weapon indoors besides the Decie. Why? because it only takes one magazine to kill a max with a Lancer. No reload required. And as much as people bitched about the Lancer's Ammo shortage, it still has the greatest damage potential of all the AV weapons(even the decie, supriseingly enough).

I truely belive that the AV weapons are balanced between each other. You can change targets with a striker as well, asumeing your new target is a "hard" one. Phoenix AI damage is realy pretty negligable.

Veteran, if you bring up the meta-game as a majorly overpowering factor one more time, I swear I'm going to pester hamma until one of us gets banned. The max range of a Phoenix flying streight(no guidence) is 250 meters, well within normal visual range. The stiker and lancer still pop out signifiganly higher DPS than the phoenix with the disadvantage of reviealing yourself to the line of fire, but without looseing control of your avatar.

On a side note: Each empire has it's weapon that can reasonably engage enemies that are behind cover. The TR have the Pounder MAX, the VS have the Lasher, and the NC have the phoenix. Pounder can fire around corners, laster ignores the most common cover used by infantry(Trees and those wide spots in hallways), and the phoenix can go over walls and hills.

Edit: The reason 1 in 5 NC have the Phoenix is because it's fun as hell to hear the enemy scream after you hit them.

[GreyFlcn]

Yeh, and the JH has higher DPS than the MCG at long range.
While true, it doesn't mean anything once you take into account

Same goes for Lancer versus Phoenix.

Indoors, Phoenix near identical to Lancer in kill speed.
Two 3 Second reloads
Six 1 Second charge-fires

Although I'd love to see you try to use the Lancer indoors. It's sheer inaccuracy while moving, and charge up time make it miserable to use. Worse than handgrendes.

A Lancer user would have to sit down and crouch infront of the Max the whole damn time just to be dead even. Where as a Phoenix only needs to be exposed three times for as long as it takes you to pull the trigger.

[GreyFlcn]

'Unless you take into account how often you hit'