Gettin new CPU need help [Archive]

bryan25

2004-01-29, 10:38 PM

I am looking to get a new CPU. The cpu is Intel Pentium 4/ 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - OEM. I need to know if it will work on my pc. Here is my dxdiag. (part of it)

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System Information
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Time of this report: 1/29/2004, 21:31:55
Machine name: BRYAN-H7J2DOBMM
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) (2600.xpclnt_qfe.021108-2107)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: IBM
System Model: 656540U
BIOS: IBM BIOS Ver PMKT25.0
Processor: Intel Pentium III, ~490MHz
Memory: 768MB RAM
Page File: 139MB used, 1738MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode

If u can and i'd really apreciate it try and find out if the cpu i want will work with my comp. plz tell me if u need any more information and how do i get it.

I Hate Pants

2004-01-29, 10:47 PM

whats your motherboard?

Rbstr

2004-01-29, 10:49 PM

No, you have a p3, P3's and p4's use different sockets

bryan25

2004-01-29, 10:53 PM

so what does that mean i cant get a p4? How do i find out what kinda mobo i have?

Rbstr

2004-01-29, 11:02 PM

Yes p3's and p4s are not interchangable. You relay don't even need to bother finding out what mobo you have. Your basicaly at the point were you need to replace everything to have an up-to-date computer.

bryan25

2004-01-30, 12:10 AM

that sucks so your saying i need new mobo for the p4?

Smaug

2004-01-30, 12:25 AM

Yeah you need a new mobo, and while you're at it, I'd just get new everything. Do you play PS with the comp you listed? If so that would be amazing.

Ait'al

2004-01-30, 12:35 AM

Thats not that bad. He has almost a gig. If he gets a board with 4 dimm/dramm slots he can just by a 50 dollar stick to get a full gig. And he can a get a board like that with 800mhz bus for the same price or a little more if he cant afford to do a whole new computer.

Thats 160 for the 2.4, 50-80 for the board, and 30-50 for the ram. Thats about all hed do with a new comp besides get more expensive ram.

Edit: ok you can get 3200 256 chips from anyone for 40 buck retail or oem. Do you know what your current ram speed is? you need to make sure it is a speed that an 800mhz board will support if you get a new board.

Smaug

2004-01-30, 01:46 AM

Did you look at his processor? P3 490 mhz. Wow.

bryan25

2004-01-30, 05:33 AM

Yeah you need a new mobo, and while you're at it, I'd just get new everything. Do you play PS with the comp you listed? If so that would be amazing.

dude what are u talking about??I can ran alot more sophisticated games then PS it runs PS tooo easy. Graphics are awsome and it runs fine no lagg. The game i want to get the new cpu for is LOCK ON(LOMAC):Modern Air Combat. The graphics are so good it looks real at times. But my comp crashes when i run it cuzz my sucky cpu.

bryan25

2004-01-30, 05:35 AM

HOW ABOUT THIS!? I really dont wanna buy a new board cuzz then i will have too hook evrything back up and make sure all the parts and all my shit works with the board. SOoooooo.....wy dont i get a Pentium 3 1.40 GHZ cpu its more then enough to run the game i want.

Here are the specs for the game i want:

Windows(r)98/ME/XP/2000
Pentium III 800/AMD Athlon 600 or better
256 MB RAM (512 MB RAM recommended)
3D video card (DirectX 8.1 compatible) w/32MB RAM (128MB recommended)
Sound Card (Direct 8.1 compatible)
DirectX 8.1 or higher (included on disc)
4X CD-ROM or better (Not recommended for use with CD-RWs)
Internet connection (56 kbps or better) or LAN for multiplayer
Hard Drive Space 1.1 GB

556mmJay

2004-01-30, 11:58 AM

your mobo prolly wont support a 1.4..

Spend now and save later.. and i highly doubt your pushing Planetside to the extent that most of us are.. your cpu spec dosent even meet the min. :(

556mmJay

2004-01-30, 12:10 PM

Edit: ok you can get 3200 256 chips from anyone for 40 buck retail or oem. Do you know what your current ram speed is? you need to make sure it is a speed that an 800mhz board will support if you get a new board.

he is using a p3 500. so his ram speeds are prolly 100 fsb.. No way near DDR/Pc800 he needs. He needs to just upgrade/retire his entire rig.

Cyanide

2004-01-30, 01:32 PM

You really should just get a new motherboard, processor, and ram. There's no way your current motherboard would support a 1.4ghz cpu. That would be nearly tripple your current processor speed. If you want a better processor, you're going to need a new motherboard, and if you get a new motherboard, you're going to need new ram. There's no getting around it. Getting a 1.4ghz processor would be pointless. It would only be a year or so before you'd need a new processor again. You should get a new motherboard, and at least a 2.4ghz processor, and at least 512mb of DDR ram (768 or higher would be better).

Rbstr

2004-01-30, 04:18 PM

Yeha best to wait and upgrade when you can get some good stuff, you mobo wouldn't take a P3 1.4 anyway, yours is probably a slot, you need the socket 370s for those.

Ait yet again your are TOTALY WRONG, as everyone can tell you know nothig about a p3 other than its made by intel.

NEW FORUM RULE: no posting unless you KNOW what it is they are talking about, not what you think (unless its based on fact), what you know.

Smaug

2004-01-30, 05:05 PM

dude what are u talking about??I can ran alot more sophisticated games then PS it runs PS tooo easy. Graphics are awsome and it runs fine no lagg. The game i want to get the new cpu for is LOCK ON(LOMAC):Modern Air Combat. The graphics are so good it looks real at times. But my comp crashes when i run it cuzz my sucky cpu.

Sorry didn't mean to sound like an ass or anything. Your comp is just really really below minimum specs for PS. Its pretty amazing that you get no lag with that setup, thats great. But if you wanna run upcoming games like HL2, Doom3, and others you really need to upgrade. Even if you're strapped for cash you can make a computer 10x better than the one you have right now.

Rbstr

2004-01-30, 05:08 PM

pehaps he has a dual P3, that my be why he's not laggin that much

Ait'al

2004-01-30, 07:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ait'al

Edit: ok you can get 3200 256 chips from anyone for 40 buck retail or oem. Do you know what your current ram speed is? you need to make sure it is a speed that an 800mhz board will support if you get a new board.

he is using a p3 500. so his ram speeds are prolly 100 fsb.. No way near DDR/Pc800 he needs. He needs to just upgrade/retire his entire rig.
I was refering to him getting a new Mother Board.

Sorry, Rbstr,(sarcasm is you cant tell) i havent looked much at fucking p3 since they came out. 8\ Stop being such an ass.

And i dont know if you ever noticed. But pre 800mhz P4s supported the same Ram as the P3s. He could still try and find one cheap from a used computer store and do stuff that could let him transfer shit over till he gets more money to replace with newer stuff since its not going to cost shit for something that outdated now. Stop being such a dick.

Rbstr

2004-01-30, 10:38 PM

NoSurrender

2004-01-31, 12:48 AM

Sd-Ram was ram of choice for P3s dude to how inexpensive it was compared to rambus. they used rambus pre 800mhz FSB BUT, DDr 3200 doesnt equal Rambus. Second they used faster speeds of rambus for faster speeds of CPus. ie Rambus 800 to Rambus 1066. So i doubt he is using Rambus looking at his computer and you telling him to buy DDr 3200 is just plain out friggin Stupid.Cmon Rbstr use the banstick.

Rbstr

2004-01-31, 02:43 AM

I don't have one, but i can delete posts :)

556mmJay

2004-01-31, 04:11 AM

Whoa... this thread is getting heated.... How about this...

Bryan.. dont be cheap.. go buy a mobo worth a shilznit. get that 2.4c. buy some memory to match the board config ( I.E DDR/Rambus ). .. and walllaaaaaa... just about done.. now u need a new case and power supply :) ( More then likely a new case ).. there... you can close this thread now.. because obviously shizzzy is about to boil over...

bryan25

2004-01-31, 04:41 PM

Rbstr

2004-01-31, 05:29 PM

well if your going p4 get a 2.4 or so, if your going AMD get a 2500+

556mmJay

2004-01-31, 06:31 PM

time to hit your folks up!! :D

NoSurrender

2004-01-31, 06:38 PM

if you dont have much money go w/ AMD

Cyanide

2004-01-31, 07:59 PM

If cash is a problem then get a motherboard that supports the AMD Athlon XP. I would look at ASUS and Gigabyte boards. ASUS is a little more expensive but they're top quality, and the motherboard is the last thing you should skimp on. Once you've got a motherboard selected, look around to see what speed processor you can afford. The 2600+ or 2700+ is probably the "sweet spot" as far as price/performance goes. Also, get as much ram as you can afford (at least 512mb). With DDR ram, it's better to have more ram, than faster ram. The difference between 512mb of PC2100 and 512mb of PC2700 isn't that big. But the difference between 768 or 1024mb of PC2100 and 512mb of PC2700 is definately noticable.

Ait'al

2004-01-31, 11:01 PM

Did not ait they used DDR and Rambus. P3's use, yes thats right you didn't guess it, Pc- 133/PC-100. I have a p3 system you think I would know.

Its not just this but your getting me to the boiling point Ait.
One, you need to grow up. Two, you are gettiing your self to the boiling point. You both do.

He can find early P4 boards that support the same ram as the P3s. They made alot of boards when the first P4s were trying to pick up. Someone at a used computer store could get him one. IF he has that little money. Not saying he needs to do that.

Rbstr

2004-02-01, 02:06 AM

But the first P4's were on a different socket than the ones made now. I have never seen a p4 board with pc-133 memory in either the 423 or 478 pin configs

bryan25

2004-02-01, 04:08 AM

time to hit your folks up!! :D

:lol:

bryan25

2004-02-01, 04:10 AM

One, you need to grow up. Two, you are gettiing your self to the boiling point. You both do.

He can find early P4 boards that support the same ram as the P3s. They made alot of boards when the first P4s were trying to pick up. Someone at a used computer store could get him one. IF he has that little money. Not saying he needs to do that.

SHIT! are u saying the 700+ RAM i have now wont work with a P4 or AMD??

Rbstr

2004-02-01, 12:32 PM

Yeah kinda...

Smaug

2004-02-01, 03:11 PM

If you aren't ocing, ram shouldn't be a problem. If you plan on getting a 2.4 p4 or a 2500+ you can get pc2700 ram which is pretty cheap if you look in the right places.

bryan25

2004-02-01, 09:06 PM

whats wrong with the RAM i have now?

Cyanide

2004-02-02, 12:01 AM

Wrong form factor, that's what's wrong. Your ram has 168 pins (i think) and DDR ram (which is what will be on your new motherboard) uses 184 pins. Sorry dude. Go to www.pricewatch.com and check out the prices on system memory listed there. You can get 768mb of DDR for relatively cheap ( < $100 ).

GreyFox

2004-02-02, 05:42 AM

You can get 768mb of DDR for relatively cheap ( < $100 ).Yeah, but he should get 1 Gb of it ;)

bryan25

2004-02-02, 07:37 AM

i think i have DDR now.

Daleon

2004-02-02, 09:22 AM

Did you ever figure out what mb you have? But no matter what it is, if you actually have a P3-500... i seriously doubt its DDR. Why don't you go do a google search for cpuid, d/l it, and run it. Then tell us what you find out.

You prolly also have a Slot-1 P3 and can pretty much only go up to around a 1ghz P3 and the slot versions of those are rather rare and expensive these days.

So either spend $150-200 on a new P3 cpu you don't know will work or spend about the same amount on the cheapest AMD MB/CPU combo you can find and 512 DDR. Won't be the best quality, but still be much faster than what you got or the faster P3.

NoSurrender

2004-02-02, 05:13 PM

But the first P4's were on a different socket than the ones made now. I have never seen a p4 board with pc-133 memory in either the 423 or 478 pin configs

There where actually one or two Chipsets from SiS that did. Small Chipsets that were for buiness use manily. Never really that big though.