Just say NO to nerfs!

[Jagd]

Ok, I know there are a lot of people pissed off about this upcoming change so please go post on the official thread I've started to voice your support! If there are enough posts there, the devs will have to pay attention.

http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/planetside/Forum16/HTML/001550.html

And just for curiosity's sake, I thought I'd start a poll here to track the consensus. The 4th option in the poll was an alternate suggestion brought up on the OF, to allow SA and AV certs a la carte, but also allow them to be purchased in one bundle a-la Uni-MAX.

[Onizuka-GTO]

mmm i dunno about that fourth option.

I mean i welcome the change personally, though I also wish they fix the AV weapons too.

Sa was always a good cert. you get two unique weapons anyway.
With Deci move, the AV cert ppl wil lhave more choice of either getting AV weapons or the one-shot disposable wonders (oh ok, I mean 3 disposable shot wonders)

[Veteran]

The change to the Decimator seems so logical that I keep checking the source to make sure it's not a prank.

I love it.

If the devs really kick it up a notch and make AV attractive for all empires, we may actually see some infantry resistance to heavy cavalry instead of all the backpacks in the wake of the tanks. I think the HE mine buff will also steer the destiny of infantry vs. armor battles.

Every patch adds something to the game. It's a testament to the game's appeal that it should have such a relatively docile and content playerbase when a patch is this late.

Still, GOOD GOD PLZ GIVE US THE PATCH.

That is all.

[Firefly]

Looks like this "a lot of people pissed off about this upcoming change " is an exaggeration, since the majority of the votes are for the Decimator going to AV.

Where it belongs.

[Jagd]

SA is not a viable cert without the decimator, unless they let us know what these mysterious Rocklet and Thumper buffs are all about. If they bump up clip and ammo box sizes to say 10 rounds, then maybe just maybe these weapons will be worth 3 cert points. The problem is, AV weapons are still crap. They need to fix AV, and they need to stop being lazy about their approach to the problem.

[Firefly]

SA is not a viable cert without the decimator, unless they let us know what these mysterious Rocklet and Thumper buffs are all about.
Funny, because I and a majority of the people I know with SA got the cert specifically for the Thumper grenade launcher.

[Majik]

Funny, because I and a majority of the people I know with SA got the cert specifically for the Thumper grenade launcher.

Agreed, I cert SA for the Thumper and it is worth the 3 points by itself.

[Jagd]

We'll see, there are a lot of angry posts in a bunch of different threads on the OF.

The only people that are going to benefit from this change are NC soldiers who currently have AV and not SA, since they now get the option of carrying a Decimator. Everyone else is stuck with trading their Rocklet & Thumper for a Decimator & a buggy and/or crappy AV weapon.

[Veteran]

Don't worry, Jagd, the post-patch environment will be most satisfying. I only ever take Special Assault for Decimator, so to me, this is like getting my empire AV weapon for free. If I were only taking Special Assault for the Thumper, I would probably reevaluate my motives. Not to say Thumper isn't cool, but it doesn't dish out the sheer math that the Decimator does.

I think the devs are on top of it. They've impressed me so often over the course of this game's evolution that I don't generally stress about patches. Other games have not been nearly so reassuring.

[Madcow]

As I posted in the other thread, how is 3 cert points for the Bolt Driver fair if 3 cert points for the Thumper and the Rocklet is too much? If 3 is too much for those 2 guns, how is 4 fair for HA? You use SA, you love the Deci, you fear change. Unfortunately for you, it's the right thing to do. I hope they do improve the empire specific AV, but now they have a common pool AV which we all know to be effective.

[SandTrout]

I got SA for the thumper as well.

[Veteran]

I have so long considered most of my opponents to be armed with the Decimator that now that it will be bundled with empire AV, I actually don't expect to see it be more common on the battlefield.

Think back to your recent battles, everyone. Don't you recall hearing Decimators about as often as Heavy Assault fire and Sweepers? It seems like that to me.

[ChemicalHex]

Like Veteran, the only reason I got SA was for the deci, but with the new change it's like I get another weapon free. I do like the thumper and rocklet, but I rarely use them. If they fix the Striker lock on bug, then I will be a happy man. Deci indoors, Striker outdoors.

[Veteran]

MAXs beware! I do hope they give the MAX a little buff tho... I'd like to see MAXs be fearsome indoors, where they deserve to be (except AA MAXs of course).

[Lithpope]

About time they moved the Decimator to AV. As many have pointed out it should been there a long time ago. No disrespect intended but, those who liked the "all in one" cert, Special Assault now have to make some choices. That is a good thing if ya ask me. This may very well revitalize AV for some Empires because believe it or not there are situations where AV is superior to the Decimator. Revitalized AV could mean a harder time for the vehicle drivers because, one Striker, Lancer, Phoenix is not much of a threat to a tank but five is a different story altogether.
Good move IMO

[Jagd]

You posted that exact same reply on the OF.

Copy+paste = teh w1n!!!1!

[Lithpope]

/nod, I am lazy :D

[Onizuka-GTO]

You know, you could make the decimator a price to pay against indoor maxes. you know if you fire at a max pointblank or close by prepare to die as well, or at the leased half your health.

This will make people think about using Decimators indoor and more to AV, yet give Indoor for maxes the edge. But if your really desperate people can still use it, sacrificing themselves for the rest of the squad.
I mean if someone launched a disposable missile launcher indoor at such a close range, I think they should have some penelty.

[Veteran]

Agreed. Collateral damage would add a tactical level. It's rather anti-climactic to land with a high-yield explosive and not have it wreak havoc with local infantry and support personnel.

[Lithpope]

Oh come on people, lets be real about this, Special Assault was too good. It was (and for the time being still is) the "All in One" cert for a grunt. Indirect fire: Thumper, Infantry: Rocklet and MAX/Vehicles: Decimator. All this for 3 cert points? Come on, if you crying about this it is because you are now actually going to have to make some choices in your certs and maybe have to give up a vehicle cert. With the Uni-MAX, Armored Assault, etc. you still get more bang for your cert point buck.

[noxious]

The only buffs the thumper and rocket rifle need are more ammo per ammo box. The rocket rifle could probably use a larger clip as well. The thumper's clip and damage output are fine. I have no trouble using it as a nearly equal alternative to the lasher.

[Ait'al]

About time they moved the Decimator to AV. As many have pointed out it should been there a long time ago. No disrespect intended but, those who liked the "all in one" cert, Special Assault now have to make some choices. That is a good thing if ya ask me. This may very well revitalize AV for some Empires because believe it or not there are situations where AV is superior to the Decimator. Revitalized AV could mean a harder time for the vehicle drivers because, one Striker, Lancer, Phoenix is not much of a threat to a tank but five is a different story altogether.
Good move IMO

What is SAs design supposed to be then?

[Firefly]

Area-effect explosive weaponry that is a grade above standard firearms. Such as grenade launchers, etc.

As opposed to a catch-all cert that also includes an anti-tank disposable rocket launcher.

[Ait'al]

I seee!

[Stellerence]

I think both should get it, otherwise your nerfing something which is never good. Also remember that only a minor percentage of the PS community use these or any PS forums at all so your votes arn't accurate enough...

[Majik]

I think both should get it, otherwise your nerfing something which is never good. Also remember that only a minor percentage of the PS community use these or any PS forums at all so your votes arn't accurate enough...

Everyone posting here should be a representation of a random sampling of players in the game, making the poll both even and valid. AND I really wish people would stop calling this a nerf, the decimator isn't getting nerfed and SA still has 3 weapons for 3 points. If you don't like the SA weapons enough to spend 3 points on them DONT, and get your precious overpowered decimator.

[Doppler]

Is funny when someone tries to do a slanted poll to prove their point and having it still prove them wrong.

[Stellerence]

I can live with it, i just think its a little stupid to do it now after, what is it now? Almost a year + with it being the way it is, its just screwing with everyones layouts.

I am of the opinion the decimator is a SPECIAL weapon, to be used primarily for killing equip terms/spawn tubes/gens and MAX units, the occasional vehicle sure, if they are dumb enough to stay still for you to get them, or if you can do any damage before they kill you. Although i understand it does have an element of an AV weapon, its damage is its strength, and i feel it should be available to both, then everyones happy...

[Veteran]

Decimator kills so many things so efficiently, it's absolutely no surprise that it has made many friends.

It's time to put this old friend in the right category: Anti-Vehicular

[Visor]

The deci should at least have a small arc to fall into the SA category right now its just a disposible missle launcher which falls under AV.

[Onizuka-GTO]

mmmm...i wish they put a third usable option for the Decimator, say after firing it, you can use the empty tube to bash a sneaky inflitrator who thinks he's a God and that you are blind.... :lol:

[Spee]

I certed in SA for the Deci, AND the thumper.


And I also certed in AV for the striker, for use in places that the deci is not useful in.


So I win.

[UncleDynamite]

I think that the Decimator should stay in SA, since if it was supposed to be in AV from the start, I see no reason why the Devs should correct this now (when they could have corrected it much earlier) and mess things up. I'll admit that as an AV user, I'll start using the Deci myself after the changes. But I would much rather see the AV weapons themselves get a boost instead. I agree with Jagd: moving the Deci to AV is a cop out. It'll make people recert in AV, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone is going to pick up an AV weapon as well. The real problem is that the Phoenix, Striker, and Lancer all need significant improvements. As it stands, the AV weapons are anything but weapons used against vehicles. That's ridiculous. Making them actually potent against armor would completely eliminate the need for the Deci move.

[Jagd]

Well...
25 for the change
17 against
4 "undecided"

Not what I thought I'd get, but still a fair bit of dissatisfaction.

[Madcow]

Well...
25 for the change
17 against
4 "undecided"

Not what I thought I'd get, but still a fair bit of dissatisfaction.

Wow, you really are in law school aren't you? That's quite a bit of spin. People voting for something like having a combo 4 point cert definitely doesn't make them 'against' the change from SA to AV for the Deci, they're just voting that they'd like yet another option. The majority are all for the change, regardless of how you try to make it spin.

[Happy lil Elf]

We'll see, there are a lot of angry posts in a bunch of different threads on the OF.

And that's different from anything else that's ever happend, how exactly?

[TheRagingGerbil]

I'd leave it where it's at.

Create a new, more powerful single shot weapon and add it to the AV lineup. Hell, they could add it as a CC weapon for all I care.

[Jagd]

You can't win a case by lying down. ;)

[JakeLogan]

vote: Other
Nerf the deci and make it 3 shots to kill a max. (As a TR locking down to the ground with no ability to move making me deci bait) I would like to see this.

[gonnagetyou]

I use SA for a lot of things because it compliments my Combat Engineering/ Defensive type of play. Moving Deci to AV is a logical and smart move IMO. More people will be packing AV which will help combat all these unfounded fears of vehicleside. If you're a high level hard core grunt you can afford to have your SA and AV together. I'll be dropping my Quasar (which I hardly use any way) for AV. The thumper and rocklet will still be worth 3 certs and I'll gladly pay the cost. The certs in this game come at a price that is just low enough to allow you to have a good mix and still high enough to ensure that not everyone can do everything. Forcing people to use a little teamwork is good in my book.

[noxious]

vote: Other
Nerf the deci and make it 3 shots to kill a max. (As a TR locking down to the ground with no ability to move making me deci bait) I would like to see this.


Then the deci is a phoenix that can't carry as much ammo and can't be controled in flight...

[NoSurrender]

if the deci is gone from SA i want a cert point reduction.

[Rbstr]

Why, AV is 3 certs and it does shit, why should SA be 2 just becuase one weapon is gone? Is it that hard to admit it's logical than an AV weapon doesn't fit in the SA category? I don't know how many people i see that never carry and SA wep other than the deci, why are they complaning, its 3 certs either way.

[Madcow]

Decimator
Source: Common Pool
Handling: Anti-Vehicular Missile
Damage: High
Maximum Range: Long
Refire Rate: Not Applicable
Cert Type: Special Assault

The dumb fire Decimator is the most powerful anti-vehicular missile launcher, and features a disposable design; once its payload is fired, the Decimator launcher is immediately discarded. This design is what allows the Decimator to be smaller than other missile launchers.

[Doop]

Move it to AV.

But, I say again, make single weapon certs. It'd allow a LOT more versatility, and there really is no drawback to it. Say you want Special Assault only for the Deci (just like myself). I spend 1 cert point on the Deci. Calooh, callay.

On the topic of single-certs, bring back single-vehc certs and make them less. Like make the Reaver alone three points, or something.

[Furluge]

Heh, notice that the longer this post stays up, the bigger the for change option becomes. I think you know as well as I do what this means.

[Rbstr]

On the topic of single-certs, bring back single-vehc certs and make them less. Like make the Reaver alone three points, or something.

The Reaver is my primary weapon and killing machine. And though 3 certs would be nice for me, it not good for ballence, because it would put far to many in the skys