I dropped HA. or: How I learned to stop worrying and love MA.

[Eldanesh]

The JH-Sweeper conversion was easy, they already are practically the same. :groovy:

Now I actually have an impetus to use gauss and get more kills as a result.

Long story short, NC need to drop HA and get support certs with the 4 that your get from it. I got Adv med and CE. :D

They haven't even done the triple-shot change yet, I can't wait to see that. Nerf the JH more! we need more ams drivers and stuff.

[Rbstr]

If we did that we would all be better off

EDIT: I was the original Convert

[Eldanesh]

Gauss is a cruel mistress, I end up reloading mid-fight and running out with only 2 boxes. :( after 2 rexos up close I have to either loot + pray for 9mm or run for equip term.

[Biohazzard56]

I am the 2nd Convert

[Acaila]

Nice topic name, Dr.Strangelove owns.

The HA stats for each empire are pretty balanced, but more adv meds and CE would definately help out a bit.

[MilitantB0B]

I never certed HA, cause it just doesn't fit my play style. But I don't use MA either, I stick to SA.

This is how I would change things up if I where running SOE

Standard Asault- What it is now, a basic weapon for those with other interests in mind (support soldiers, pilots, etc.)

Medium Assault- The best overall killing weapon, usable in most any situation. Jack of all trades (much like in real life, the assault rifle is the staple of all ground force because they are generally good in most every situation)

Heavy Assault- Change this to a situational weapon instead of just a much more effective killing weapon like it is now. Something deployable maybe, maybe a mortar or machinegun nest or something. But something a helluva lot more situational then it is now.

Special Assault- Pretty much what it is now, a very situational weapon, when you get the situation right, it rocks, get the situation wrong, it sucks. Maybe add an empiure specific weapon.

Sniper- For the love of god, don't change htis, it is the most balanced thing in the game right now.

EDIT: Kudos on unlearning HA, I hope more people do this.

[321]

Nerf the JH more!

Go play TR or VS the NC don't wub you.

[SkullOmania]

I can't agree more, dropping JH and getiing my Guass techinique down was the best decision I ever made in PS. Agree 100% with the poster.

[GreyFlcn]

Asside from the clipsize, Gauss is perhaps the best MA to have against ReXos.
Or outdoors.

[GreyFox]

Asside from the clipsize, Gauss is perhaps the best MA to have against ReXos.
Or outdoors.
Yeah, I usually collect JackHammers to trade with my outfit pals for their collected Guass's :)

Sure I pick up every gauss I see aswell. But for some reason, the JackHammer is more common ;)

I never certed HA, cause it just doesn't fit my play style. But I don't use MA either, I stick to SA.
I think that SA is only real effective when combined with MA. Shoot 1-3 plasma nades, finish them off with Pulsar or Sweeper.

[NoSurrender]

or your could use a punisher. but i love my MCG. i love it soooo much. That weapon is so fun in rexo :).

[KIAsan]

I dropped ha on my NC guy. Certed Van and never looked back. Now Im dropping MA for CE (Will be a cloaker/adv hack/ce) and I still have my van cert for when we need the firepower. I actually like the power of the JH (yeah, I did the surgile thing too). I didn't do the ambush triple shot thing though (I personally think it's cheap). I don't miss it all that much. I just need to level up for two more certs to get my MA back :(

[MilitantB0B]

I think that SA is only real effective when combined with MA. Shoot 1-3 plasma nades, finish them off with Pulsar or Sweeper.
I don't use the thumper. I only use the Rocklet with a deci as my back-up. Alot of people under estimate the rocklet, but it is my favortie weapon. Just aim for their shins and let a rip.

[GreyFox]

Yeah, I used it alot before. Havn't used it much now... I don't know why. I didn't use the thumper as much as I do now when I used the Rocklet more.

One reason is I've started to use the Sweeper more.

[Vis Armata]

If we did that we would all be better off

EDIT: I was the original Convert

I haven't used HA on my NC characters since June. :D

[Warborn]

I kinda think the Gauss and Pulsar should have 40 rounds per clip rather than 30. Maybe I haven't used those weapons enough, but honestly, compared to the Cycler they run out of ammo so fast they're really not that good next to the Cycler. And, before anyone says they're more accurate or whatever, before I took up sniping I used to get a lot of kills from very short bursts at reasonably long range. The Cycler may not be just as good at "sniping" as the other weapons, but it's by no means very bad at it.

[Onizuka-GTO]

The Pulsar has a 40 round clip :)

[Heavygain]

It ultimately doesnt make a differense with me, Im in the air most of the time anyway but i do really good with a MCG but a cycler is essentially the same :P MA is the most balanced over all (Besides sniping and SA) The gauss's clip size fits it perfectly for the damage it does, same with the gauss and cycler.

[Mudflap]

I certed in HA just about a month ago or so, just because I wanted to check it out. The only way that the JH is better than the Sweeper is clip size and secondary fire mode. Without those two, it's pretty much the same, and it costs 4 certs. I haevn't gotten rid of it because I don't know what else to use my certs for and I drive my lightning everywhere and only get out to get up close and personal in a base or a tower. The JH is great for that, but I do think the NC would be better off with more people certing in other things, rather than having a JH swarm. The swarm makes us weak outdoors.

[Winged_Nazgul]

I've only used HA maybe 2 weeks total game time since release. Once the new Ammo buffs take place, I don't see myself picking up HA ever again.

[TheRagingGerbil]

Sweeper and Gauss own. The punisher is very powerful in the right situations as well.

As far as MA goes across all teh empires, each one has its benefits. The gauss owns the open field. If they are coming at you from more then 100 meters, they are as good as dead. The cycler is the base assault weapon. The shear number of rounds this thing packs and can toss out in a instant cannot be beat in the short range fight. The pulsar is someplace up there with the gauss as far as damage goes, but it has the COF bloom of the cycler. It is an interesting beast, designed to perform at range, but hindered by its cone of fire.

The sweeper is the Elmer Fudd gun of the planetside universe. I have a macro that says "Shhhh...I'm hunting wabbits." A greatly underused weapon, which thankfully, hasn't lead to the request for nerfing on the OF's. I think it is more powerful then the JH actually, for the shear fact that you can begin shreading your target at a greater distance. The pellet spread is half that of the jackhammer. The only thing you have to remember is to reload after every encounter.

The punisher is the most underrated weapon in the game. One-on-one or one-on-two, you will win if you get the drop on them. A shot of plasma then the 9mm will get you victory. The COF isn't to horrible as long as your not taking damage and you are firing single shots. Packing an extra crate of jammers will take care of those pesky deployables. Usually a couple of shots from the frag will drive off a MAX that decided to come and get you too.

[Queensidecastle]

The Gauss got a huge boost with the new Rexo buff. It may very well be better than the Cycler now. Dont discount the Pulsar tho. The Pulsar is the best MA in the 30-50m range and especially now that they can alt fire then switch immediatly on Rexos. It is best used when the enemy cannot Surge rush you (kind of hard to get a feel for the optimal Pulsar distance but it is there believe me) 40m-65m or so the Cycler is still ausome but after that its Gauss all the way.

Much better than the Punisher is the Thumper/HA combo. At about 40-50m when 2 open field enemies spot each other, the one w/out the Thumper is a dead man. Drop 2 or 3 plasmas then surge in with HA. It isnt even a contest. You can take on groups of 2 and 3 this way and regularly emerge victorious. Of course this requires Rexo, HA, and SA but if you spent this many points on Combat certs you are a killing machine anyways

[Zatrais]

What, give up my ahnold weapon? Never! I love the MCG too much, 100 rounds of suppression fun!

Course i use the cycler for longer range engagements hehe.

[SpunkJackel]

The sweeper is the Elmer Fudd gone of the planetside universe.

Where did it go??

Man, I couldn't resist.

[Queensidecastle]

The MCG isnt suppression fire. It really serves very poorly in that reguard especially when there are much better choices for suppression. What the MCG does allow that is suppression-like, is the ability to start firing even before you turn the corner. Also after you kill one trooper in an enclosed space you can move to the next one and dont have to let up on your trigger

[Zatrais]

The MCG isnt suppression fire. It really serves very poorly in that reguard especially when there are much better choices for suppression. What the MCG does allow that is suppression-like, is the ability to start firing even before you turn the corner. Also after you kill one trooper in an enclosed space you can move to the next one and dont have to let up on your trigger

MCG works just fine for suppression fire, course you can't do it whit one guy but no infantry weapon is effectice at supression alone.

Spamming the tower spawn stairway is a tactic that we (TR werner) use quite often. Works like a charm, loads of lead flying down those stairs then and cutting most down.

[TheRagingGerbil]

Where did it go??

Man, I couldn't resist.


Doh!

(*sneaks back and fixes typo)

[SandTrout]

Tried HA, didn't like it. Once you get the feal for the gauss, its a real beast, but the pulsar is great for those mixed infantry/MAX encounters. When I don't have to wory about weapons lock too much though, you'll have to pry my thumper from my cold dead hands.

The NC would benifit from fewer JH users. Maybe they'll pick up unimax and tear those reavers a new one? I always preffered the Scattercannon's versital choaks anyways.

[Tannim]

I'm an NC that loves the AV. I'm drooling over the ammo change. no longer 10 shots and reload. Now It's 28 shots!! $$

[Spee]

I hate HA with a passion - The only reason I have it certed is that I can be effective in the right situations ( Lasher > Pulsar in CQB).



Im uncerting mufin man from being a support bitch to being a killing machine. I had 13 certs invested in support (WTF?!) Engy, Adv Med, Adv Hack.


Now, Im adv Hack, HA, Unimax. When I level up, Im going to use the certs I got from adv hacking for rexo, and then the certs from hacking for AV. Vanu will pwn.



Also, Ive been seeing a LOT more lancers lately. Good to see :D

[Queensidecastle]

Spamming the tower spawn stairway is a tactic that we (TR werner) use quite often. Works like a charm, loads of lead flying down those stairs then and cutting most down.
Then a few plasma grenades or from a thumper and you are all sent running. The MCG sucks at suppression

[Zatrais]

Then a few plasma grenades or from a thumper and you are all sent running. The MCG sucks at suppression

Uhm, no. The plasma nades barely does any damage when bounced round the corner in most cases, but if the guy choses to suicide run and try to get of a nade before he gets cut down well then theres nothing stopping that. Most won't risk it tho cause they know they die if they step out of cover.

Using the MCG as suppresion works.

[Eldanesh]

I'm an NC that loves the AV. I'm drooling over the ammo change. no longer 10 shots and reload. Now It's 28 shots!! $$

With the new ammo change and deci going to AV I am so not-getting rexo. Now all I need is gauss/med/bank and in my invo, phoenix, 1 box phoenix ammo (10 shots total), 2 boxs of 9mm, and 1 medkit. :eek: can you say perfect fit? 200 armor or not, Rexo is still shiat due to footspeed and now you don't need it for AV.

[Queensidecastle]

Using the MCG as suppresion works
Why the hell would you be wasting your MCG ammo when you could be thumping plasmas down the stairs? Lashers, now that is suppression fire, MCG? yeah I suppose you can fire it down staircases but thumpers are 1000x better

[Rbstr]

I haven't used HA on my NC characters since June. :D

I never had HA except for one week in july, because i was urged to try it buy outfit mates

The guass'es clip size is great its still worth 3 RExo kills at Point blank, but perhaps a point or 2 more damage, the pulsar could use a little something too, 3 points mabee

The cycler has far less COF bloom making it much better at range than a guass user at the same skill level

[Zatrais]

Why the hell would you be wasting your MCG ammo when you could be thumping plasmas down the stairs? Lashers, now that is suppression fire, MCG? yeah I suppose you can fire it down staircases but thumpers are 1000x better

You might not have the cert, don't want the greif from wankers running down etc. I'm not saying its the best weapon but having 7 or more guys laying down fire from a stair works. Just 7 guys means bout 60 rounds hitting the area every second.

[ChemicalHex]

Thats why I never use a Thumper indoors at all. Too many idiots, who can clearly see me lobbing grenades down a hall/stairwell, just rush blindly and I end up getting a assload of grief. Then they send me hate tells or what have you, and in one instance a friend of mine was tked by some guy because his friend ran into the nades he was lobbing. Sometimes I wish people who play multiplayer games have to pass an IQ exam before even touching the keyboard. >:|

[Madcow]

Thats why I never use a Thumper indoors at all. Too many idiots, who can clearly see me lobbing grenades down a hall/stairwell, just rush blindly and I end up getting a assload of grief. Then they send me hate tells or what have you, and in one instance a friend of mine was tked by some guy because his friend ran into the nades he was lobbing. Sometimes I wish people who play multiplayer games have to pass an IQ exam before even touching the keyboard. >:|

I wish the same thing, but from the other end. I'm tired of seeing Thumper users who endlessly spam the damn things down hallways/stairwells. They're for supression, but at some point you need to allow the guns to get in to clean things up. This is something completely lost on the majority of Thumper users. Personally, I wait until there is a lull in enemy coming from that direction, and then I make my move. Either the Thumper user is smart enough to recognize what I recognized, or he's that much closer to weapons lock which will accomplish an equally important goal on my end. I can always respawn. I'm not going to stand all day in a stairwell waiting for him to run out of ammo.

[ChemicalHex]

Very true. And thats why (on the off chance I use a thumper indoors) I usually lob the nades in area's where the enemy is built up, or where they might be charging from. But either why, you're almost guaranteed to get grief. Either from reckless spamming, or people surging to certain death, you will get it. Thats why I never use it indoors ;)

[Mudflap]

The thumper is the absolute best thing to use indoors to break a hallway or backdoor holdout. I once pulled out my thumper and pushed in the backdoor behind a max. Stayed close toh im as he moved to his death, lobbing plasma nade after plasma nade around him. Racked up 6 kills from that, and more importantly, we managed to get into the damn base.

The real problem with most thumper users is that they carry a thumper and decimators, and nothing else. This will be slightly cured with the new patch moving deci to AV, but it will still occur. Thumper users need to use the thumper for anti-Max and AV, and switch to a rocklet, or a MA weapon preferably. It's a much better loadout for indoor fighting.

[Neon Apocalypse]

I'm a vanu, and i previously used the sweeper, that was before the rexo buff. Now i dropped my max cert and got HA back. I found it was too hard to kill a rexo with a sweeper. It took me like 6 shots to kil people, 7 when they used healthpacks. So now i use the Lasher and it takes 5 shots and it shoots faster.

[Tannim]

Gonna have to agree with this last one. The Sweeper on rexp takes forever now and you end up having to reload with his 2 buddies right behind him.

[Rbstr]

To me the sweeper is still fine, it my fav for close quarters

[Eldanesh]

To me sweeper feels almost exactly the same in ttk as JH (I never really used triple on JH; it really sucks) Sweeper has a smaller clip, but reloads faster. The major difference is I have to be more careful around groups, with only 8 shots, after killing 3 people you will be hurtin and empty.

The one thing I like most about MA is the gauss. MA means you have to keep on your toes, but surgile gauss can still kill mcg/lasher rexo.
Gauss eats ammo like a mofo however. With 2 boxes of 9mm I run out all the time and have to resort to surge-knife until I can find an equip term. Never had that problem before, even with mcgs. :scared:

[Rbstr]

It goes for the least Ammo efficiant AI weapon

[GreyFox]

It goes for the least Ammo efficiant AI weapon
If you miss alot of shots, yes. But it's the one that damages the most per shot, with least damage degration.

Take atleast 3 Ammo boxes with you. That's what I do with my Emerald NC character. 3 Ammoboxes and 6 Med-Kits.

[Eldanesh]

I would take more than 2, but I don't have the space. Backpack is deci+ 2 9mm boxes, rek and 2 medkits. :( med ap + bank in pistols, and I am adv hack so its bad not having rek. :p

[Rbstr]

If you miss alot of shots, yes. But it's the one that damages the most per shot, with least damage degration.

Take atleast 3 Ammo boxes with you. That's what I do with my Emerald NC character. 3 Ammoboxes and 6 Med-Kits.

Yeah you don't have to tell me how to use the weapon that i've used scence beta, but it takes 10 shots to take a rexo down thats 3 per clip, factor in inaccuracy, and most every Dedicated AI weapon can take down more People than it in one clip.

[SandTrout]

Drop the medpacks since you already have medical is my sudgestion. Frees up a lot more room for ammo.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Medkits are useful, they provide instant health repair when your in the middle of a firefight and give you that vital extra second to get out and heal yourself, I always carry at lease 3 + Healthgun.
Plus you don't really need to carry so much ammo if your Vanu not like your going to survive long enought for you to run out. Unless your Terran Republic then I think you should carry just one Medkit, you people eat bullets like a camel drinks water. :lol:

[Rbstr]

All of my favs have 3 medkits, very vital if your a sniper, as counter snipers get suprized when it takes more than 2 to kill you and they sit don't go hide again becasue they think your dead but buged into place