WTF TR and VS?

[SandTrout]

Do you guys even know how to attack each other any more? ever since the new pop-caps, it seems that all you ever do is attack the NC's home conts.

I look at the map lately, and the NC home conts are underatack, and maybe searhus if the NC happen to hold it, but no TR are caping bases on VS home conts, and the VS aren't caping any bases on TR home conts.

Its realy becomeing rediculous. I haven't seen Cyssor blue since the last patch.

[Firefly]

Oh cry me a river. TR got their asses kicked for weeks before the patch, and only within the last two weeks were we able to turn it around.

It happens to everyone.

[Manitou]

I'll have you know, kind sir, that the Dragon Wolves totally support equal opportunity on the battle field - we will kill both the Cong and the Barney troops with the same fervent glee. :p

[Black]

Oh cry me a river. TR got their asses kicked for weeks before the patch, and only within the last two weeks were we able to turn it around.

It happens to everyone.
^ what he said

[SandTrout]

Its not so much that you're double teaming us on cyssor, but I look at the global map a lot, and it's VERY rare to see you guys even a hack against each other. Do the empires' cr5s have some sort of agreement to only atack NC or something?

[Manitou]

Our CR5's (CDL guys) will never align with an enemy empire.

[Majik]

The problem is that the NC are always trying to push in on Esamir and Oshur, and if our forces push them back we keep right on pushing onto the NC conts. The TR are always preoccupied with taking Amerish from us, usually with the same results. So if the NC come after 2 conts, and the TR 1, then the NC get attacked by us twice as much.

[Firefly]

My outfit does not pay obeisance to any CR5 except our own outfit commander. The ULTRA Alliance does not pay obeisance to any CR5 except our own alliance-internal CR5s and the Alliance Council. I can safely say that we are not allied with any Vanu. I highly doubt the rest of the TR are as coordinated, since we are the largest alliance on Emerald server.

What you're seeing, my good man, is simply the final balancing out of empires. The TR have been organized for a while. Our organization and commendable list of CR5s (the respectable ones, that is) are what make us a fighting force- you're seeing beatings because there are no longer overwhelming hordes of Jackhammer Surgiles due to the 1/3-1/3-1/3 balance now.

[Lonehunter]

Do you guys even know how to attack each other any more? ever since the new pop-caps, it seems that all you ever do is attack the NC's home conts.
Now you know what it felt like to be a NC or VS before the last patch.

I look at the map lately, and the NC home conts are underatack, and maybe searhus if the NC happen to hold it, but no TR are caping bases on VS home conts, and the VS aren't caping any bases on TR home conts.
Once again, taste your own medicine. Also when the NC bragged and bragged about taking the globe at FOUR AM it kinda pissed everybody off. I used to not have a preferance, but now I do. "Should we invade Esamir or Hossin?" "Oh Hossin definetly." It's about time you guys got an ass woopin. But, good news for you, it will most likely turn around again, after the Devs think about it some more.

[Black]

i fuckin hate the vanu back in the day i made a outfit that was dedicted on killing them so all that "TR and VS have a alliance" is such horse crap :mad: u nc make me sick..... im glad i switched back to TR

[Kikinchikin]

ive been disliking the NC much more than the vanu for months now. i havent played like at all, but when i did i realized that it seemed vs and nc never attacked each other pre patch

[Heavygain]

Are You F*cking Kidding Me? Do You Have Any F*cking Idea Of What You And The Vs Have Been Doing To Us For A Very Very Long Time!! Seriously!

[FireWolf22]

Okay I will make one point here. I know that it looks like you are getting the short end of the stick when you are on the defending side. Like the other empires are teaming up on you on forseral or esamir. I will make one statement and I have witnessed this. I have been on forseral, and amerish and seen this. I have seen TR and VS reavors hovering next to each other at a tower is was in shooting in the doors. I have seen on cyssor when the vs and tr meet up down at zotz them not hit each others bases and push for gunuku. I'm not saynig that all TR and VS are working together. I just saying what I have seen. Oh yeah just 3 days ago on Oshur VS move in from sanc after we start a push there. The TR move in from the north gate and VS and TR meet in the n base linked to the dropship center. The VS took the rest of the east bases and the TR pushed on the dropshit center. They didn't hack each others bases there. I don't think it is an aliance so much as a tactic. My outfit has used it before. If we start on a cont and another Empire starts in we focus more on the new empire and push them out so they don't get a good foot hold to turn it around where we are on the double teamed side. Maybe that is what is happening there with the TR and VS.

[Firefly]

With three empires, someone's going to get caught in the middle. The TR are taking back what belongs to us. The TR spent months getting drilled like a cheap porn star, and now we're back and pissed as hell. Get in our way, and you'll either be crushed like dust under our boots, or pinned in a sick three-way (again, like a cheap porn star).

TR doesn't roll over and die. The NC and Vanu can figure out who's going to be the bride or the bridesmaid, but either way don't turn your back on the Terran Republic.

[Lonehunter]

FireWolf, I could take EXACTLY what you said but switch it around for support for the TR side. I have seen NC and VS fight side by side against us, I've seen TR and NC fighting VS, I've seen VS and TR fighting NC. It's not an alliance, it's some bull shit that shouldn't happen, bottom line...

QUITCHERBITCHIN

[FireWolf22]

Have to agree LoneHunter it can be turned around, but last night was a perfect example. The VS held Amerish, Esamir, Oshur. TR held Forseral, and Ceryshen. The NC held Solsar, start in on Forseral, We were pushed back off Amerish during the 1.5 hrs I played last night. On Searhus, VS held 3/4 of the bases and tr 1/4, then all fighting stopped and the VS moved to Cyssor. On the third tr home cont(can't remimber the name, the north desert cont) the TR owned 3/4 and the VS 1/4, then all fighting stopped there and the TR headed to Hossin. We held Solsar for that 1.5 hrs. It was like the TR and VS were okay with getting an even split then calling it off. Maybe it's still just us bitching, but that was how it looked. Not saying alliance, don't want to point any fingers and this been a coincidents or happenstance, but it sure as hell looked like something. You decide what.

[Diddy Mao]

it's as much fault of the NC as it is the Tr and VS

[FlakMan]

We've been picking on the TR for a while, it's the NC's turn :flamemad:

[Neon Apocalypse]

thats wrong, the TR attack amerish all the time, it happens atleast twice everyday

[Lonehunter]

I always refer to Amerish as the Seventh ring of Hell.

[BUGGER]

Well gues what, us and NC teamed up once on Markov to kick the Vanu out of Ish, once that happened, we kicked you guys out too, then you got pissed and all three of us fought on Cyssor.

Hmm some happy family

[FlakMan]

Bugger, we're talking about Emerald, not Markov

[Kyonye]

yeah this is in Emerald forums, not markov. anyway, the TR were getting creamed up until the patch. i was barely seeing vs and nc fight. maybe like up to 4 weeks before the patch did i see real fighting between nc and vs. yeah they fought here and there but not much.

[THrONeBeaST]

So many times i seen the Vanu move up north on ish and then the NC come from the south and push the TR off and fight eachother for it.

[BDMJ]

If the TR defended ish properly, you wouldn't see as many double teams on it. The NC is double-teamed on cyssor so regularly due to failure from the top down with regards to defense.

[Fencer]

Do you guys even know how to attack each other any more? ever since the new pop-caps, it seems that all you ever do is attack the NC's home conts.

I look at the map lately, and the NC home conts are underatack, and maybe searhus if the NC happen to hold it, but no TR are caping bases on VS home conts, and the VS aren't caping any bases on TR home conts.

Its realy becomeing rediculous. I haven't seen Cyssor blue since the last patch.

That's what you happens when you start making a million and one gloat posts about how bad ass you think you are, everyone wants to rip you a new one. It's not that TR and VS work together, we just now both hate NC more just like VS and NC used to hate TR more than anything.

[Manitou]

If the TR defended ish properly, you wouldn't see as many double teams on it. The NC is double-teamed on cyssor so regularly due to failure from the top down with regards to defense.So how would you defend Ishundar? Given these factors:
- Two "Massive Enemy Force" indicators, one south (Cong) and one north (Barney)
- Broken terrain between the north and south (no easy routes)
- TR Sanctuary WG that is a good distance from the main line of resistance
- Exceptional enemy air interdiction on 90% of the roads
- TR CR5s who can't decide if they want to defend Ish, go north, go south, run to Amerish, or pick their noses ;)

I usually will not stay on Ishundar any more when the two empires decide to hit us there simply because it frustrates me when our forces are squandered in senseless deployments, or worse - they simply aren't told what to do at all. Doesn't mean I won't stand and fight if given the chance. The Dragon Wolves have decided to Alamo a few times for the sheer glory of it, but as for hoping to halt the offensive once its started? :lol:

[BDMJ]

The most successful defense begins before the continent is unlocked. If it is unlocked, and the double team is occuring, the only way to defend ish would be to hold the NC at bay in the south (the drive to enkidu is murder for armor) while using the enkidu link to back hack the vanu tech plant. The defense must start early, and decisive action must be taken the second the call to defend is made.

[Manitou]

I would tend to agree. We have talked about that before, and funny enough, we came to the same conclusion you just did. Sadly, we just can't muster the numbers, nor the attention needed to follow that game plan. Maybe someday! :D

Edit - when I say "we" I mean within the CDL.

[BDMJ]

Do I get a cookie?

[Manitou]

Ummm, no. But thanks for asking! ;)

[SkunkPunk]

Do you guys even know how to attack each other any more? ever since the new pop-caps, it seems that all you ever do is attack the NC's home conts.

I look at the map lately, and the NC home conts are underatack, and maybe searhus if the NC happen to hold it, but no TR are caping bases on VS home conts, and the VS aren't caping any bases on TR home conts.

Its realy becomeing rediculous. I haven't seen Cyssor blue since the last patch.


OMFG, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THESE FUCKING NOOBS... THERE ARE NO EMPIRE ALLIANCES, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT WONT WORK! now go suck some CR5 dick you fucking moron

[AztecWarrior]

OMFG, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THESE FUCKING NOOBS... THERE ARE NO EMPIRE ALLIANCES, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT WONT WORK! now go suck some CR5 dick you fucking moron
I'm not saying they are allied, I wish to say that we somehow became their favorite target.

[Diddy Mao]

Broadcast warp gates plan to fix this problem. It's just that when 1 of the empires attacks Cyssor they never do it @ the same time (as I've noticed) they come within Half an hour of one another and usually starts out as a squad n such. That best time to squash the party crasher before they can get any ground

[Black]

I'm not saying they are allied, I wish to say that we somehow became their favorite target.
hes talking about sandtrout not u aztec

[Subterfuge]

OMFG, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THESE FUCKING NOOBS... THERE ARE NO EMPIRE ALLIANCES, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT WONT WORK! now go suck some CR5 dick you fucking moron


Woah, someone take's this game a little to seriously.


solution: go outside.

[SkunkPunk]

no really... if you look at the official forums all you hear them do is bitch about whos allied with who... like wtf go die

[Peacemaker]

... Look at Ish.... I hate ish... all the Vanu try to do is take Ish. TR plan for Ish.... trade it for another continent. Friggen Vanu can have to PoS.

[Kuraltai]

no really... if you look at the official forums all you hear them do is bitch about whos allied with who... like wtf go die
Aye, and the majority of the posting there is whining and crying .. that's why we love our humble abode here. ;)

[Kuraltai]

... Look at Ish.... I hate ish... all the Vanu try to do is take Ish. TR plan for Ish.... trade it for another continent. Friggen Vanu can have to PoS.
No arguement there Peace, I hate fighting for Ish when Zerg hits. Like Manitou said, we can never muster the troops/commanders to accomplish the task. Let 'em have it for a while and then take it back when they go for greener pastures. :p

[Lonehunter]

Woah, someone take's this game a little to seriously.
I'm pretty sure you mean too.

Edit: Sorry

[Firefly]

The most successful defense begins before the continent is unlocked. If it is unlocked, and the double team is occuring, the only way to defend ish would be to hold the NC at bay in the south (the drive to enkidu is murder for armor) while using the enkidu link to back hack the vanu tech plant. The defense must start early, and decisive action must be taken the second the call to defend is made.
The only problem with this is, every time someone notices a hack on a locked continent (IF they notice), the empire is already involved in heavy action on several continents if they aren't already defending against a double team.

That, and most of the "commanders" are trying to earn another armchair-commando victory and will most likely say "Let them get a foothold so we can sweep in and retake the continent and get good XP and the Daily Winner award that means so much to effectively three people". Or words to that effect, I admit I paraphrased.

More often than not, coming in after even ONE base has been taken will result in a drawing of forces that will sucker us into a split trap, like Ishundar where you have NC at the south and occasionally west, and VS at the north... or Forseral, where the directions and empires may change direction locations.

[BDMJ]

Part of the problem with fast response is that people are seldom ready to use the right tools for the job. If a continent is unlocked, it is time to break out the tanks, pin them in the base, then bring in the maxes and SA troopers. Most people want to just zerg with HA. The split trap can be avoided if the right tools are used.

9/10 times the first part of my defensive statement is filled by cr5s, at least for the NC. Most of the time other fights do not have to be broken up. If the first 15 VS or TR on a continent are stopped, then it is unlikely that a large or huge will follow them.

[Firefly]

You won't always find the quick reaction force on a continent, but when you do, they are generally tailor-made for such a job. At least, I hope the rest of the TR has seen and followed in the examples provided to them. ;)

Probably not, though.