Mr. Bin Laden, You're Clear to Fly

[UncleDynamite]

Long article, but it's an interesting investigation about airline security in general.

Osama bin Laden not on suspicious-passengers list (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37167)

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First three paragraphs...

Imagine if the world's most notorious fugitive, Osama bin Laden, attempted to board an airliner in the United States. Suppose he were clean-shaven, sporting short hair, wearing a pinstriped business suit and looked like so many other travelers that no suspicions were raised. How far might he get? If he used aliases such as names of family members, he would be nabbed instantly and whisked away for questioning. That's because many of his relatives are on the FBI's secret "no-fly list," according to intelligence sources.

But suppose he boldly decided to use his own name. Would he be cleared to fly? Insight recently learned that scenario was tested at a U.S. airport in the South during January. The result was troubling: America's most-wanted fugitive is cleared to fly. According to airline-security documents obtained by this magazine, the name Osama bin Laden was punched into the computer by an airline official and, remarkably, that name was cleared at the security checkpoint all passengers must pass through before being issued a boarding pass.

The realization that Osama bin Laden made the cut sent shivers down the spines of airline-security officials who discovered the system gap....
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Discuss. :scared:

[Ait'al]

Oh well. Then he can come play solitare with me.

[Rbstr]

Airline security is a joke, if a person realy wanted to hijack a plane he could.

And why the hell would we care if osama came over here, what would one person do?

[SkunkPunk]

Nah, its probably because they know as soon as he got near the plane he would get raped by dharkbayne.

[Veteran]

Osama's soaking it up in some resort somewhere. For each American, there are 5 to 10 people worldwide who consider him a hero/superstar/mastermind.

He's not going to get on an airplane full of air marshalls and pissed off Americans.

Still, he kinda should be on the list.

[Seer]

I agree with Rbstr, but I have a hard time believing anyone that hasn't been living under a rock the past 3 years would give OBL a green light to fly.

So the fact that obl isn't on the list doesn't really send shivers down my spine. If their point is that dangerous people who should be on the list aren't, they should have used a less well known example--one that could plausibly pass through security without a pseudonym.

[Veteran]

Fredsama bin Ladenowski

[Dharkbayne]

Nah, its probably because they know as soon as he got near the plane he would get raped by dharkbayne.
:lol: Great, now am I the forum rapist? :lol:

[Ait'al]

Your a pirate and you walk around with your dick hanging out.

[SkunkPunk]

Your a pirate and you walk around with your dick hanging out.

Um, yea thats pretty much right. :P

[AztecWarrior]

And by the way, Miami International Airport security is weak. I got a metal detector and a baggage check. That's all. No removal of shoes, nothing major. Nothing post-9/11.

[Strygun]

And by the way, Miami International Airport security is weak. I got a metal detector and a baggage check. That's all. No removal of shoes, nothing major. Nothing post-9/11.

That surprises me. Miami is an Int'l airport.

However, about the same thing happens at Atlanta Int'l. All they do is 'scan' your shoes (there's a box thing you have to step on) and the baggage check, along with a metal detector. There's really not much more you can do.

[worldvengence]

god...the two wors airports are Chicago-ohare and Denver Intl.....they both go ape shit if anything sets off the metal detectors.....i had a belt buckle that did that..and they scanned everything and werent saticefied when the buckle was the only thing that set off the small detector...so they made me take off my shies, my belt, my coat...and searched them....was very close to a strip search...haha.

[Retroactive]

i dont see why the person that put his name in the computer didnt even bother to call security :doh:

[worldvengence]

ya...that is the question that went thru my mind

[Dharkbayne]

Aztec - Didn't the 9/11 hijackers have like, porcelain knives? That wouldn't set off a detector... No removal of shoes = bad

[Indecisive]

I thought they had box cutters.

[Sputty]

I thought they had box cutters.
Yep, they had box cutters

[Triggar]

Which is why we need fully reinforced cockpit doors that can only be opened from inside the cockpit; air marshalls; and armed pilots -

Basically everything that El Al Airlines does - they haven't had ONE hijacking in their torrid history. Be paranoid nazi's if you have to, but screw that, I'd rather have paranoid security than a lax system that lets THIRTEEN hijackers onto flights.

[EarlyDawn]

An emerging market is very sharp plastic knives that can be worn by a necklace, an area not frequently patted down.

[Ait'al]

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Gohan_VA
I thought they had box cutters.
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Yep, they had box cutters

You know this banning box cutters is very dangerous thing. What if the plane crashes and your are stranded in a high snowy place and need to get into the food. You woudnt want another repeat of survivor.

[Rayder]

1) If the plane crashes into anything you're either going to be dead, or dying. Rarely, every so rarely, does someone survive a plane crash.

2) If you did manage to survive a crash, you're screwed if help doesn't come soon (assuming you have water).

[ghost018]

Why not have a whole separate door from the outside into the cockpit? Would be pretty hard to hijack a plane if the only way in would be through a wall.

ghost

[Rayder]

Would also make it very hard to tell the stewards anything important.

[ghost018]

Heard of an intercom?

[Ait'al]

I think they should make planes out of some hard form of cotten candy, so if they crash into something or are about to you can eat them or spray them with water and disolve them.

[Sputty]

Osama's soaking it up in some resort somewhere. For each American, there are 5 to 10 people worldwide who consider him a hero/superstar/mastermind.

1.5 to 3 billion?
That's a generous estimate.

[worldvengence]

Why not have a whole separate door from the outside into the cockpit? Would be pretty hard to hijack a plane if the only way in would be through a wall.

ghostbut the fact is, what if the captain and co-pilot are incapacitated, there is always someone who has enough experience to keep the plane from going down on the crew....that would elimiate that possiblility



I think they should make planes out of some hard form of cotten candy, so if they crash into something or are about to you can eat them or spray them with water and disolve them.
What about when the plane flys thru rain???...lmao...has anyone seen final destination?

[Ait'al]

227*5=1,135
227,000,000(million)*5=1,135,000,000(billion)
227,000,000*10=2,270,000,000(billion)

We have a population of 227Million.

So its 1.135 bilion to 2.27 billion.

The world population is 5.5-5.6 billion i think. 2.2 billion may be a little high. But most americans used to think the same way. So its not that unfesible that alot of other parts of the world still see the same way we used to for whatever reasons. Most of it is probably people who havent changed there minds from before. I think there were alot of people with opinions of some sort about him already. I doubt if those numbers are accurate it has anything to do with new people.

[Dharkbayne]

I doubt half the entire HUMAN RACE thinks that Osama is a good person. :rolleyes:

[worldvengence]

wow...so ait'al actually said something usefull for once?? wow...just wow.

[Triggar]

there is always someone who has enough experience to keep the plane from going down on the crew....that would elimiate that possiblility

Yeah, in the event that the aircraft is ferrying off-duty pilots back to their home airport.... otherwise, some Cessna pilot with 30 hours couldn't possibly take the controls of a 757 and fly it, let alone land it, safely.

There has to be reinforced cockpit doors and air marshalls. With all due respect, if a hijacker gets on a flight and starts causing mayhem, one hostage may go down, but the air marshall will take him out, while the pilots bring the rest of the 400 people back to the ground safely.

[Ait'al]

But dont air marshals go out of there jurisdiction when they go across seas? Or out of our country for that matter.

[Triggar]

I think the laws are that the plane operates under the laws from the country that the flight originated in... but I could be wrong.

[Dharkbayne]

No.